What if Bush is Right? Part Deux
I still have on my Tar and Feather Repellant.
Fact #1: We get 25% of our oil from Venezuela, which has the 3rd largest known oil reserves in the world outside of Russia. A little over two years ago, the CIA tried to oust Hugo Chavez, who is a populist, and who thinks that their oil revenue should help the poor, and who doesn’t like Bush. The “coup” lasted about 48 hours, after which the CIA’s stooge, Mr. Carmona, ended up in jail and Chavez was back in power. Several months later, Chavez got 60% of the vote in a referendum.
Fact #2: Jean Bertrande Aristede, the popularly elected President of Haiti, was whisked off to the Central African Republic in an unmarked American plane. It appears they “made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.” He was told that his life could not be guaranteed if he remained in Haiti, but there was this plane that would take him to safety if he VOLUNTARILY elected to board it. And they wanted his answer within three hours. It was “Yes.”
Fact #3: We also get oil from Colombia, where we funnel endless quantities of cash to support a government that favors Occidental Petroleum. The problem is that the FARC rebels like to blow up the pipelines to the port on the Pacific (sound familiar?) and the Government troops have to take them out. It’s an iffy situation at best.
So, given these facts, a BushCo military strategist might look at a globe and say, “If we could use Haiti as a staging ground (after we kick out Aristede), we would be able to run air strikes to both Colombia and Venezuela without needing aircraft carriers, which is good because they are all tied up in the middle east.”
Is that what BushCo is up to?
If you assume they are trying to scramble for every last drop of oil in the known (non- Russian) world, doesn’t this make sense?
I’m just trying to connect the dots..
Waddya think?
Comments?
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Yes this is what Bush is trying to do, one way or another. no-one will tar and feather you for that. The question really is whether or not it is going to work. And I think the answer is no, not without a draft. We don't have enough troops to guard all the oil in all these places. Oil will go to the highest bidder.
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Jun 18 2005, 04:22 PM)
What if Bush is Right? Part Deux
I still have on my Tar and Feather Repellant.
Fact #1: We get 25% of our oil from Venezuela, which has the 3rd largest known oil reserves in the world outside of Russia. A little over two years ago, the CIA tried to oust Hugo Chavez, who is a populist, and who thinks that their oil revenue should help the poor, and who doesn’t like Bush. The “coup” lasted about 48 hours, after which the CIA’s stooge, Mr. Carmona, ended up in jail and Chavez was back in power. Several months later, Chavez got 60% of the vote in a referendum.
Fact #2: Jean Bertrande Aristede, the popularly elected President of Haiti, was whisked off to the Central African Republic in an unmarked American plane. It appears they “made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.” He was told that his life could not be guaranteed if he remained in Haiti, but there was this plane that would take him to safety if he VOLUNTARILY elected to board it. And they wanted his answer within three hours. It was “Yes.”
Fact #3: We also get oil from Colombia, where we funnel endless quantities of cash to support a government that favors Occidental Petroleum. The problem is that the FARC rebels like to blow up the pipelines to the port on the Pacific (sound familiar?) and the Government troops have to take them out. It’s an iffy situation at best.
So, given these facts, a BushCo military strategist might look at a globe and say, “If we could use Haiti as a staging ground (after we kick out Aristede), we would be able to run air strikes to both Colombia and Venezuela without needing aircraft carriers, which is good because they are all tied up in the middle east.”
Is that what BushCo is up to?
If you assume they are trying to scramble for every last drop of oil in the known (non- Russian) world, doesn’t this make sense?
I’m just trying to connect the dots..
Waddya think?
Comments?
I still have on my Tar and Feather Repellant.
Fact #1: We get 25% of our oil from Venezuela, which has the 3rd largest known oil reserves in the world outside of Russia. A little over two years ago, the CIA tried to oust Hugo Chavez, who is a populist, and who thinks that their oil revenue should help the poor, and who doesn’t like Bush. The “coup” lasted about 48 hours, after which the CIA’s stooge, Mr. Carmona, ended up in jail and Chavez was back in power. Several months later, Chavez got 60% of the vote in a referendum.
Fact #2: Jean Bertrande Aristede, the popularly elected President of Haiti, was whisked off to the Central African Republic in an unmarked American plane. It appears they “made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.” He was told that his life could not be guaranteed if he remained in Haiti, but there was this plane that would take him to safety if he VOLUNTARILY elected to board it. And they wanted his answer within three hours. It was “Yes.”
Fact #3: We also get oil from Colombia, where we funnel endless quantities of cash to support a government that favors Occidental Petroleum. The problem is that the FARC rebels like to blow up the pipelines to the port on the Pacific (sound familiar?) and the Government troops have to take them out. It’s an iffy situation at best.
So, given these facts, a BushCo military strategist might look at a globe and say, “If we could use Haiti as a staging ground (after we kick out Aristede), we would be able to run air strikes to both Colombia and Venezuela without needing aircraft carriers, which is good because they are all tied up in the middle east.”
Is that what BushCo is up to?
If you assume they are trying to scramble for every last drop of oil in the known (non- Russian) world, doesn’t this make sense?
I’m just trying to connect the dots..
Waddya think?
Comments?
QUOTE(progressivephoenix @ Jun 18 2005, 07:28 PM)
Yes this is what Bush is trying to do, one way or another. no-one will tar and feather you for that. The question really is whether or not it is going to work. And I think the answer is no, not without a draft. We don't have enough troops to guard all the oil in all these places. Oil will go to the highest bidder.
So... the logical question is...
WHO's NEXT???
Iran??
Nigeria???
Russia??? (Oh, I forgot, they have nukes)
One discovery could change this whole scenario. Will those who have Hundreds of billions of investment at stake allow this if they can;t own it?
Do you think anyones life, your life, my life would mean anything to them if we were in the way of their interests?
I say we CONSERVE, RESERACH, AND INVEST in alternate power, while we delay these people, or they will own us and our future!
Do you think anyones life, your life, my life would mean anything to them if we were in the way of their interests?
I say we CONSERVE, RESERACH, AND INVEST in alternate power, while we delay these people, or they will own us and our future!
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jun 21 2005, 09:32 PM)
One discovery could change this whole scenario. Will those who have Hundreds of billions of investment at stake allow this if they can;t own it?
Do you think anyones life, your life, my life would mean anything to them if we were in the way of their interests?
I say we CONSERVE, RESERACH, AND INVEST in alternate power, while we delay these people, or they will own us and our future!
Do you think anyones life, your life, my life would mean anything to them if we were in the way of their interests?
I say we CONSERVE, RESERACH, AND INVEST in alternate power, while we delay these people, or they will own us and our future!
Hundreds of billions?
XOM, the world's largest publicly traded oil company, has a market cap of 320 Billion. I think the biggest shareholder owns less than a couple percent of the company. For the matter, the entire corporate part of the oil industry has a market capitalization of a little less than a couple trillion dollars. Next year, the U.S. could put all of its budget into buying up the energy industry, and assuming the takeover didn't raise stock prices, we'd still have money left over.
It would take a conspiracy larger than the scale of the watergate cover-up to pull off keeping us dependant on oil. Something right out of a Ludlum. However, for a $2-$3 Trillion dollar industry (compared to a $3-4 Trillion dollar U.S. budget), I just don't think it'd be worth it- and if it was, they'd probably have the same Harvard educated folks screw it up again.
On top of that, the coal industry is just as big, and it's interested in getting its hands on coal gasification- which would allow coal to start replacing oil drawn from the ground. Don't you think that if the oil industry's going to have a conspiracy, it's going to be worrying a lot more about coal than renewables?
Incidentally, BP is the world's largest producer of solar panels. It also happens to be the world's second largest oil company by market cap.
Something tells me that while the oil companies are going to treat renewables like say, American Airlines has been treating UAL as it tries to emerge from bankruptcy (it's been showing up to all the loan guarantee board hearings and claiming that UAL hasn't done enough to deserve loan guarantees, and that the government shouldn't be risking billions of taxpayer dollars.), they aren't going to kill people and start wars to do it.
Has anybody reading this thread read Michael Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon"?
I can vouch for that. The oil companies are not stupid, and they are not a monolith. They know exactly what is going on with oil and are preparing for the future. They are coal miners too
http://www.chevron.com/about/our_businesses/coal.asp
As for nuclear, the oil companies don't do that as far as I know. But General and Electric and Westinghouse do, and they are about as big as any oil co.
When technology change comes it will be unstoppable. The biggest companies 100 years ago were the railroads. They had every politician in their pocket. Don't you think they would have stopped the infant car industry if they could have?
http://www.chevron.com/about/our_businesses/coal.asp
As for nuclear, the oil companies don't do that as far as I know. But General and Electric and Westinghouse do, and they are about as big as any oil co.
When technology change comes it will be unstoppable. The biggest companies 100 years ago were the railroads. They had every politician in their pocket. Don't you think they would have stopped the infant car industry if they could have?
QUOTE(GoIllini @ Jun 22 2005, 09:07 AM)
Hundreds of billions?
XOM, the world's largest publicly traded oil company, has a market cap of 320 Billion. I think the biggest shareholder owns less than a couple percent of the company. For the matter, the entire corporate part of the oil industry has a market capitalization of a little less than a couple trillion dollars. Next year, the U.S. could put all of its budget into buying up the energy industry, and assuming the takeover didn't raise stock prices, we'd still have money left over.
It would take a conspiracy larger than the scale of the watergate cover-up to pull off keeping us dependant on oil. Something right out of a Ludlum. However, for a $2-$3 Trillion dollar industry (compared to a $3-4 Trillion dollar U.S. budget), I just don't think it'd be worth it- and if it was, they'd probably have the same Harvard educated folks screw it up again.
On top of that, the coal industry is just as big, and it's interested in getting its hands on coal gasification- which would allow coal to start replacing oil drawn from the ground. Don't you think that if the oil industry's going to have a conspiracy, it's going to be worrying a lot more about coal than renewables?
Incidentally, BP is the world's largest producer of solar panels. It also happens to be the world's second largest oil company by market cap.
Something tells me that while the oil companies are going to treat renewables like say, American Airlines has been treating UAL as it tries to emerge from bankruptcy (it's been showing up to all the loan guarantee board hearings and claiming that UAL hasn't done enough to deserve loan guarantees, and that the government shouldn't be risking billions of taxpayer dollars.), they aren't going to kill people and start wars to do it.
XOM, the world's largest publicly traded oil company, has a market cap of 320 Billion. I think the biggest shareholder owns less than a couple percent of the company. For the matter, the entire corporate part of the oil industry has a market capitalization of a little less than a couple trillion dollars. Next year, the U.S. could put all of its budget into buying up the energy industry, and assuming the takeover didn't raise stock prices, we'd still have money left over.
It would take a conspiracy larger than the scale of the watergate cover-up to pull off keeping us dependant on oil. Something right out of a Ludlum. However, for a $2-$3 Trillion dollar industry (compared to a $3-4 Trillion dollar U.S. budget), I just don't think it'd be worth it- and if it was, they'd probably have the same Harvard educated folks screw it up again.
On top of that, the coal industry is just as big, and it's interested in getting its hands on coal gasification- which would allow coal to start replacing oil drawn from the ground. Don't you think that if the oil industry's going to have a conspiracy, it's going to be worrying a lot more about coal than renewables?
Incidentally, BP is the world's largest producer of solar panels. It also happens to be the world's second largest oil company by market cap.
Something tells me that while the oil companies are going to treat renewables like say, American Airlines has been treating UAL as it tries to emerge from bankruptcy (it's been showing up to all the loan guarantee board hearings and claiming that UAL hasn't done enough to deserve loan guarantees, and that the government shouldn't be risking billions of taxpayer dollars.), they aren't going to kill people and start wars to do it.
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