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Cali Dem
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 19 2005, 08:01 PM)
BushCo. really likes the role of villain don't they?
No one knows what it's like to be the Bad Man, the Sad Man,

Behind Blue Eyes.

No one knows what it's like to be Hated, to be Fated,

To telling only Lies.
But my dreams they aren't as empty as my Conscience seems to be.

I have Hours, Only Lonely, My Love is Vengence, that's Never Free.

-Eric Clapton
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I thought that was a Pete Townsend song. Doesn't matter - it's a good one.
rox63
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 19 2005, 09:01 PM)
BushCo. really likes the role of villain don't they?
No one knows what it's like to be the Bad Man, the Sad Man,

Behind Blue Eyes.

No one knows what it's like to be Hated, to be Fated,

To telling only Lies.
But my dreams they aren't as empty as my Conscience seems to be.

I have Hours, Only Lonely, My Love is Vengence, that's Never Free.

-Eric Clapton
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Actually, I think that song was by The Who. I used to have the album it was on, and I can clearly recall Roger Daltry's voice singing it. unsure.gif
Beamer
QUOTE(rox63 @ Jul 19 2005, 05:03 PM)
Actually, I think that song was by The Who. I used to have the album it was on, and I can clearly recall Roger Daltry's voice singing it.  unsure.gif
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It is The Who.
Cali Dem
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Jul 19 2005, 08:02 PM)
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/07/wh...t-violence.html

Why did Roberts single out the Violence Against Women Act?
by Joe in DC - 7/19/2005 09:00:00 PM

Weird -- and possibly disturbing -- coincidence.

Tonight, Bush nominates Roberts who apparently has a disdain for federal laws, prefering state laws instead. But in a radio interview, AP reports that he singled out the Violence Against Women Act as one example of a place where the federal government need not be involved:

    Roberts also has made the case that some problems simply should be left to the states. In a 1999 radio interview, he said, "We have gotten to the point these days where we think the only way we can show we're serious about a problem is if we pass a federal law, whether it is the Violence Against Women Act or anything else. The fact of the matter is conditions are different in different states, and state laws can be more relevant."

Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee held hearings on reauthorizing the "Violence Against Women Act" which expires on September 30, 2005:

    Actress Salma Hayek and advocates from organizations fighting domestic violence testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday to push the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which expires every five years.

    The act, a measure that improves responses to domestic and dating violence, as well as stalking and sexual assault, will end Sept. 30 unless it is reauthorized.

    "This is not a Democratic or Republican bill," said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., who authored the act when it first passed in 1994. "This is about men and women who have been abused."

    According to the American Bar Association, 4 million women encounter domestic violence every year....Lynn Rosenthal, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence, said the act not only needs to be reauthorized, but provisions must also be made to the bill to increase its success. The law under consideration in Congress would allow victims up to 10 days a year of unpaid leave to take steps to better their situations, such as seeking medical and legal help or moving.

    Ninety-two percent of homeless women have been victims of abuse at some time in their lives, Rosenthal said.

    She also suggested adding programs that would address the needs of vulnerable populations, such as American Indian women, who experience domestic abuse at twice the rate of other ethnicities.

Maybe Roberts should have gone to the hearing today. He might have learned why that law IS important.
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Senator Reid has put blood, sweat & tears into passing this Act. Watch out!
TheRestofUs
QUOTE(Cali Dem @ Jul 19 2005, 06:03 PM)
I thought that was a Pete Townsend song. Doesn't matter - it's a good one.
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You know you may be right. But yes it's a good one!
tomhye
Wait for the hearings, we don't know who this guy is, the positions being pointed out are ones where he was representing a client, he HAD to state their arguments. Don't listen to interest groups or politicians, watch the hearings, who he is will come through and if he's bad the REAL dangers will become evident.

As far as it drawing attention away from Rove it's doing the opposite, I can't count the times I've heard reporters and commentators bring that up, he wouldn't have gotten that much attention on a slow day.
rox63
QUOTE(Cali Dem @ Jul 19 2005, 09:05 PM)
Senator Reid has put blood, sweat & tears into passing this Act. Watch out!
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That's what BushCo's counting on - a knock-down, drag-out fight that will dominate the news for months. Yes, we need to fight this guy. But we can't take our eyes off the ball, not for a second.
no retreat, no surrender
I don't know much about this judge so I don't know how bad this may or may not be. I wish that he had more papers that he had written so that I could see his personal opinions rather than how he represented his clients views. Arguing cases for the Bush administration when you work for them does not necessarily mean that you agree with all of their positions.

I was at least encouraged by this piece of information that appeared in an earlier post in this thread.

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Pro Bono. Mr. Roberts has engaged in significant pro bono work while at Hogan and Hartson, including representation of indigent clients and criminal defendants
. I would like to hear more info about the specific cases where he did pro bono work.

I was also somewhat encouraged that he seemed to have quite a few friends that were Democrats.

At first blush this guy doesn't sound nearly as bad as some of the judges that Bush has nominated, but he could be. I will reserve judgement until I get a chance to find out more about him.

Wouldn't it be funny if he turned out to be a judge that disagreed more often than not with Scalia & Thomas!!
Cali Dem
QUOTE(rox63 @ Jul 19 2005, 08:08 PM)
That's what BushCo's counting on - a knock-down, drag-out fight that will dominate the news for months. Yes, we need to fight this guy. But we can't take our eyes off the ball, not for a second.
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Oh yeah....fight! Show some spine! No, don't fight! Fight this way! Fight in committee only!

If only our civil liberties and environment and life and liberty weren't at stake.

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graham4anything
did you see this from raw story---that Clement was a red herring, and he wanted Edith Jones, but they may have some dirt on her???leading to Roberts being picked.



Speculation swirls around Bush's choice for Supreme Court
John Byrne


Speculation about President Bush's choice for the Supreme Court has seen wild gyrations as the White House began to pull reporters off stories that suggested they would nominate Fifth Circuit judge Edith Clement.

Reporters at both CNN and ABC were told to back off Clement, RAW STORY has learned.

Now, the word coming to RAW STORY from a variety of sources on the Hill and in the media is that the President may go with Edith Jones, another Fifth circuit judge. Some say Jones was the President's choice all along, and Clement was placed as a distraction.

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But the story gets wilder.

One report suggests that Bush had always intended to appoint Jones, but that the White House has dug up something from her past, and now they are -- even as late as 6 pm -- not certain of their nominee.

If they did pull Jones out of the ring late, their prospects of finding a female nominee are much more unclear. The only prominent name being thrown around is Justice Janice Rogers Brown, who was just recently confirmed in the Senate after a long wave of filibusters, and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, senator from Texas.

The reporter -- who is high-level -- cautioned that they frequently receive 'buzz' from the White House that doesn't pan out, such as the 'retirement' of Chief Justice William Rehnquist that didn't materialize.

So who will it be? No one is willing to call it, the media -- and RAW STORY -- having recently been burned with reports of Rehnquist's imminent resignation.

Other possibilities mentioned include Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former deputy attorney general Larry Thompson. Most believe Gonzales is no longer in the running, having been savaged by both the right and the left. Senators mentioned are Republicans Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire and John Cornyn of Texas
TheRestofUs
The lizard slithers out and Bush talks about symbols of morality like "football", His wife, and two beautiful children.

Yet this guy votes and supports positions that put Ordinary American Men, Women, and Children at risk.

He will be a thorn in the side of all 60 plus years of Liberal progress.

Forward into the Past!!
heritage
Leheah and Schumer are on C-span 2 now.

Schumer says 2 years as a judge is not enough to know his views. Schumer voted against Roberts for the DC court of appeals. This is a new ball game now.
heritage
Fox pundits are saying the nomination is guaranteed to go through the senate.

Schumer said Roberts didn't answer all of their questions during his last hearing.
rox63
From People For the American Way:

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=13523

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John Roberts, DC Circuit

In the short time since he was confirmed by the Senate in May 2003, Judge Roberts has issued troubling dissents from decisions by the full D.C. Circuit not to reconsider two important rulings. These included a decision upholding the constitutionality of the Endangered Species Act as applied in a California case and a ruling against Bush Administration efforts to keep secret the records concerning Vice President Cheney's energy task force.

Rancho Viejo, LLC v. Norton, 334 F.3d 1158 (D.C. Cir. 2003): constitutionality of Endangered Species Act

This case involved a real estate development company's contention that the application of the Endangered Species Act to its construction project in California was an unconstitutional exercise of federal authority under the Commerce Clause. After the United States Fish and Wildlife Service determined that the company's project "was likely to jeopardize the continued existence of the arroyo southwestern toad," placed on the Endangered Species List by the Secretary of the Interior in 1994, the company filed suit "[r]ather than accept an alternative plan proposed by the Service." Rancho Viejo, LLC v. Norton, 323 F.3d 1062, 1064 (D.C. Cir. 2003). The district court dismissed the company's complaint, and a panel of the D.C. Circuit unanimously upheld the dismissal (323 F.3d 1062), following prior D.C. Circuit precedent upholding congressional authority under the Endangered Species Act. By a vote of 7-2, the D.C. Circuit denied a petition for rehearing en banc (by the entire court) of the panel's ruling.

The only dissenters were Judges Roberts and Sentelle. All of the other Republican-appointed judges on the court - Judges Ginsburg, Henderson, and Randolph - joined the court's Democratic appointees in voting to deny rehearing en banc. The panel's opinion upholding the authority of Congress under the Commerce Clause in this case not only followed D.C. Circuit precedent, but was also consistent with a recent ruling of the Fourth Circuit in Gibbs v. Babbitt, 214 F.3d 483 (4th Cir. 2000), cert. denied, 531 U.S. 1145 (2001). The opinion in that case upholding the authority of Congress to protect endangered species on private lands was written by Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson, a conservative Republican-appointee.

Roberts's dissent in Rancho Viejo strongly suggested that he thought it would be unconstitutional to apply the Endangered Species Act in this case. By his vote to rehear the case and thus potentially reverse the district court, Roberts indicated that he may well be ready to join the ranks of such right-wing officials as Judge Michael Luttig (who dissented in Gibbs) and Alabama Attorney General William Pryor - nominated by President Bush to the Eleventh Circuit - in their efforts to severely limit the authority of Congress to protect environmental quality as well as the rights and interests of ordinary Americans.


In re: Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, 2003 U.S. App. LEXIS 18831 (D.C. Cir. 2003), cert. granted, 2003 U.S. LEXIS 9205 (2003): secrecy of Vice President Cheney's energy task force

Judge Roberts was one of the dissenters in the court's 5-3 denial of a petition for rehearing en banc (with one judge not participating) filed by the Bush Administration in its continuing efforts to avoid releasing records pertaining to Vice President Cheney's energy task force. This ruling came in litigation brought by Judicial Watch and the Sierra Club charging that the Vice President's task force had violated federal law by not making its records public. The court's ruling marked "the fourth time a judicial panel has rebuffed efforts to keep the information from the public." Carol D. Leonnig, "Energy Task Force Appeal Refused," Washington Post (Sept. 12, 2003). At the Administration's urging, the Supreme Court has agreed to review the case; a decision is expected by the end of June 2004.
so angry I could spit
The only need 5 Dems to vote yes. He's as good as confirmed (and yet, he still makes some of the freeps worry a little because he's not quite controllable and has not always ruled conservatively). Even his oponents speak highly of him, though they do see him as a consistent and predictable conservative vote.

We need to focus on the BushCo leaky Trilogy of Treason: Rove, Libby and Cheney

We need to focus on DSM and consideration of impeachment (preferably in time to preclude a second Bush nomination before mid-term elections).
heritage
Professor Turley on MSNBC said that Roberts is more conservative than O'Conner and many standing precedents could change by his one vote - environmental, prisoner rights, abortion...
Beamer
QUOTE(rox63 @ Jul 19 2005, 04:50 PM)
Another member of the Federalist Society. Blech...  yucky.gif

We need to make our arguments against this guy. He may be a candidate to be Bork-ed. But we can't let them succeed in changing the subject away from the treasonous actions of Rove, Libby, Cheney, etc. I hope the Dems are ready to start multi-tasking IMMEDIATELY.
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Do you remember Buckhead, the freeper guy who called into question the Dan Rather memos about Bush's National Guard service? He was a member of the Federalist Society, I believe.
heritage
It seems he will need to recuse himself alot based on past cases.
rla
On the surface Roberts appears well qualified, brilliant and with a good reputation
but very conservative. The big problem is that he is among the Reagan-Bush I
and Bush II handlers. The democrats should oppose him on this bases. Let it
come to a vote but every Democrat vote against him.
heritage
It appears that hearings will start after the August congressional break.

Lots of time to keep Rove off the headlines.
so angry I could spit
QUOTE(heritage @ Jul 19 2005, 08:26 PM)
It seems he will need to recuse himself alot based on past cases.
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he hasn't made the overt statements like scalia has that recusing himself would be required. even the amicus brief on the gag rule, he may well have believed everything he said but can easily argue he was working for Ken Starr and that was the policy he was required to advocate as part of his job.
tomhye
QUOTE(heritage @ Jul 19 2005, 06:15 PM)
Leheah and Schumer are on C-span 2 now.

Schumer says 2 years as a judge is not enough to know his views. Schumer voted against Roberts for the DC court of appeals. This is a new ball game now.
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Schumer is handling it right, the ones immediately on the attack are blowing it. Strategically it prevents the play of switching nominees and making you look like you'll cry "THE SKY IS FALLING!" no matter who gets nominated, as a matter of looking out for the national interests it allows more range in the hearings which will show who he is and allow for an informed decision, as a PR matter Schumer is avoiding looking like a partisan hack.
heritage
Schumer says Roberts' majority approval in 2003 will not affect how they vote this time. Bork was 99-0 approved for Court of Appeals, but Bork didn't get to SCOTUS.
so angry I could spit
QUOTE(heritage @ Jul 19 2005, 08:31 PM)
Schumer says Roberts' majority approval in 2003 will not affect how they vote this time. Bork was 99-0 approved for Court of Appeals, but Bork didn't get to SCOTUS.
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I'm confused, I've heard and read that he was approved for the DC court unanimously in 2003 (and W said it in his announcement as well - not that Bush doesn't lie)
heritage
Cornyn is coming up next on C-span 2.

They are taking phone calls:

202-585-3885 dems
202-585-3887 independent
rox63
We The People need to redouble our efforts and keep pounding on the media to keep covering TREASONGATE. Yes, we also need to let our Senators know how we feel about Roberts' nomination. But let them do their jobs and debate this in the Senate. We need to keep focused. blink.gif
TheRestofUs
Everyday it seems one disaster after another. Beam me up Scotty!

I'm depressed. gmorning.gif
JasonATexan
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/porta...5ADEC12E8D42D93

PPFA Expresses Concern on Nomination of Roberts to Court
Firm Commitment to Women's Health and Safety Vital to Confirmation

July 19, 2005 CONTACT:
Erin Kiernon (202) 973-4975


WASHINGTON, DC — Responding to President Bush's nomination of Judge John G. Roberts, of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, to the U.S. Supreme Court, Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) today called for a thorough and deliberative confirmation process, saying Roberts must be prepared to demonstrate his commitment to constitutional protections for women's health and reproductive rights.

"The nomination of John G. Roberts raises serious questions and grave concerns for women's health and safety. It is particularly troubling that Roberts went on the record calling for Roe v. Wade to be overturned when he served as a lawyer for the government," said Karen Pearl, interim president of PPFA. "Only a nominee committed to protecting women's health and safety should be confirmed by the Senate. A lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court requires a confirmation process that is thoughtful, intelligent, and fully deliberated — the Senate owes the American public nothing less."

The Supreme Court's recent decision to hear Ayotte v. Planned Parenthood in the coming term spotlights the urgency of the threat to reproductive freedom. This high-stakes case could undermine both the primacy of a woman's health and the ability of organizations like Planned Parenthood to challenge restrictions on abortion access. Only five years ago, Justice O'Connor was critical to protecting women's health and maintaining access to abortion in the 5-4 decision issued in Stenberg v. Carhart. When the Supreme Court hears Ayotte v. Planned Parenthood later this year, the outcome with a new justice could drastically affect women's health and safety.

"All Supreme Court justices have a great impact on women's health, but Justice O'Connor's replacement will play a truly pivotal role," added Pearl. "We expect Judge Roberts to state his position on reproductive freedom fully and completely and answer thoroughly any questions posed by the Senate on his commitment to upholding protections for women's health and safety. Our own case, Ayotte v. Planned Parenthood, will determine whether the high court believes the Constitution protects the health and safety of women."
heritage
Schumer said he didn't vote for Roberts in 2003. It was not unanimous.
rox63
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 19 2005, 09:33 PM)
Everyday it seems one disaster after another. Beam me up Scotty!

I'm depressed. gmorning.gif
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I've been depressed since 2000. It got a lot worse on 11/3/05. But can't get demoralized. We need to get fired up and fight BushCo with everything we've got.
TheRestofUs
QUOTE(rox63 @ Jul 19 2005, 06:35 PM)
I've been depressed since 2000. It got a lot worse on 11/3/05. But can't get demoralized. We need to get fired up and fight BushCo with everything we've got.
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OK! unsure.gif
heritage
I would like to have a guaranteed job for the next 30-40 years.
Must be nice. I am still looking for work.
rox63
Oops, I meant 11/3/04... doh.gif
Buster0001
Ok, I'm really getting ticked off. Like I wasn't already ticked off.
I guess he thinks he'll get his 'base' all excited with an anti-reproductive
rights guy and they'll forget about Rove. This is ridiculous.
heritage
see discussion at

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...ST&f=16&t=34062
graham4anything
Schumer voted NO in committee...however, in full vote he voted for confirming him so it was 99 to 0.

Why vote No then Yes...That is the trouble with the world.
So Schumer can't claim the high ground here.
wundermaus
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 19 2005, 06:33 PM)
Everyday it seems one disaster after another. Beam me up Scotty!

I'm depressed. gmorning.gif
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Sorry Captain, The dilitium Crystals are going critical and I thinks she's gonna blow! Scotty, We're in a world of Shaving Cream and there ain't a thing we can do about it.
The cling-ons are un-cloaked and they're on your tail! A little soap and water should could come in handy right now! Dive - Dive - Dive... Close the Hatch! Close the Hatch! This is another fine mess you you've gotten us into - umph!
heritage
Cornyn is on C-span 2

He repeated the "70 senators" that Bush consulted.

This will be their attack mantra if the democrats are difficult.
dggfwtx
I think Roberts is a (surprisingly) wise choice by Bush. There will certainly be spirited opposition, but probably not *TOOO* much, and he will most likely be confirmed relatively easily. I had expected Bush to make a more "in your face" pick, as that generally seems to be his style.

I also think it was a good idea to go with a man this time. The Thomas pick was foolish for making Thurgood Marshall's seat look like the "black seat." Further precedent of that type should not be set. Ideally, a woman would be selected to fill the next vacancy.
so angry I could spit
I have to agree with CBS, he's by far the least contentious of the potential nominees. He's not my choice (obviously) but it's funny to hear the conservatives sweat him being another Souter (which would be a veritable wet dream for me)


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Roberts did help write a brief that stated "we continue to believe that Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled." Pressed during his 2003 confirmation hearing for his own views on the matter, Roberts said: "Roe v. Wade is the settled law of the land. ... There's nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent."

Roberts' nomination to the appellate bench attracted support from both ends of the ideological spectrum.

Some 146 members of the D.C. Bar signed a letter urging his confirmation, including officials from the Clinton administration. The letter stated: "He is one of the very best and most highly respected appellate lawyers in the nation, with a deserved reputation as a brilliant writer and oral advocate. He is also a wonderful professional colleague both because of his enormous skills and because of his unquestioned integrity and fair-mindedness.
rox63
QUOTE(heritage @ Jul 19 2005, 09:47 PM)
Cornyn is on C-span 2

He repeated the "70 senators" that Bush consulted.

This will be their attack mantra if the democrats are difficult.
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I'll bet 55 of those Senators were Republicans.
heritage
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Jul 19 2005, 09:45 PM)
Schumer voted NO in committee...however, in full vote he voted for confirming him so it was 99 to 0.

Why vote No then Yes...That is the trouble with the world.
So Schumer can't claim the high ground here.
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Are your sure of this?

I heard Schumer say he voted against Roberts. And others also did. And he said that the committee vote was 3 against.

Does the senate web site have these votes?
tomhye
QUOTE(dggfwtx @ Jul 19 2005, 06:47 PM)
Ideally, a woman would be selected to fill the next vacancy.
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I agree, but Helen Thomas is old enough that she probably wouldn't last very long.
wundermaus
Shrub couldn't nominate out of a paper bag. That he threw us a bone, we should be grateful? Do we all now surrender to the Fascist? Ahh, Nuts! - clockwise rotate 'em!
Cali Dem
QUOTE(rox63 @ Jul 19 2005, 08:40 PM)
Oops, I meant 11/3/04...  doh.gif
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too depressed to notice...
rox63
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Jul 19 2005, 09:45 PM)
Schumer voted NO in committee...however, in full vote he voted for confirming him so it was 99 to 0.

Why vote No then Yes...That is the trouble with the world.
So Schumer can't claim the high ground here.
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Probably some sort of backroom deal. I'll trade you an Appeals Court judge for a yes vote on some bill that benefits my state. yucky.gif
tomhye
QUOTE(heritage @ Jul 19 2005, 06:47 PM)
Cornyn is on C-span 2

He repeated the "70 senators" that Bush consulted.

This will be their attack mantra if the democrats are difficult.
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What did Bush ask them and what were their answers? For all we know he was asking if the next time he gets a custom military style jacket it should be pink taffeta and they all said no.
heritage
Specter is on C-span 2 now (taped). He likes Roberts and hopes he gets through smoothly.

He avoided answering a "choice" question". He is surpised that Roberts' is already subject to criticism.
Cali Dem
QUOTE(dggfwtx @ Jul 19 2005, 08:47 PM)
I think Roberts is a (surprisingly) wise choice by Bush. There will certainly be spirited opposition, but probably not *TOOO* much, and he will most likely be confirmed relatively easily. I had expected Bush to make a more "in your face" pick, as that generally seems to be his style.

I also think it was a good idea to go with a man this time. The Thomas pick was foolish for making Thurgood Marshall's seat look like the "black seat." Further precedent of that type should not be set. Ideally, a woman would be selected to fill the next vacancy.
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The way I feel right now is that this was indeed a strategic choice by Smirk. And, this choice is "in my face" because I support hard-won reproductive rights for women. To me, this is all about placating the American Taliban.
heart
please dont' anyone tell me about democrat lite!!! damn, damn, damn...no democrat would do this kind of thing! he got the dems in a corner, cause he got some cooperation to the circuit and now they got to flip-flop to counter...this suks.
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