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jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 4 2005, 01:28 PM)
Do you remember that movie Soylent Green, jeffmoskin?

That was set in a city .......

That's what I remember about it, anyway .....

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Ah yes;

Now we would call that "recycling."
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 4 2005, 04:14 PM)
Ah yes;

Now we would call that "recycling."

My thought, anyway, jeffmoskin ......
Snuffysmith
lazyboy
Hi there folks. Just getting back into the swing of things in Japan, and the USA (I feel like an honorary American because I get CNN and BBC World and no local UK channels.

I was immediately introduced to Katrina, and the aftermath as soon as I got back from the holiday back home.

Sad. Very sad.

One report had a lady looking for her family, and the soldier patrolling the flooded area was asked a question. He said 'I don't know.' They rephrased the question and he said 'I can't say.'

This reminded me of the return journey from the UK.

We waited about 3 hours to get on a flight to Heathrow which was delayed. We missed a connection to Tokyo and asked at the airport what to do. We were told to go to connections. At the BA Connections the queue was about 7 hours long. Each person was taking about an hour to be served. We waited four hours in the line. At the same time we checked the downstairs tv screens to see if any flights were leaving for Tokyo. None were. (From that terminal which was all we could get to see.)

We waited and waited in the connections line. A BA personnel had initially approached us and asked us our query, gone away, come back 30 mins later, we moved slowly along the line. He said 'Yes, just wait here.'

Eventually I asked another BA personnel wandering around a question about other flights to Tokyo. She said 'I don't know.' So I started to ask another question. She interrupted and said 'I don't know anything, okay?'

After waiting about four hours in the line, another BA personnel started tackling the end of the line, giving out vouchers for hotels and meals. So we went to the back of the line and took that option as the counters were due to close in an hour and we were several hours from being seen.

On the letter included with the vouchers they said that due to control failure we would be accommodated at BAs expense and that we could book on the phone and the lines would be open all night for that purpose. We had the job of getting out of the airport and the line for None British Citizens at customs looked about half an hour long. So I took my family to the vacant British Citizens one. Would you believe that he moaned that he should not really let us through, since two of the party were Japanese?

We waited as instructed for the bus that was to take us to the hotel. Buses were coming and going all the time. The queues were deep and were for various buses and hotels. When we got on our bus he demanded our ticket vouchers. We had not been given any. He again waived the legalities and let us ride free. (The return journey was a different story and we had to pay a huge amount for a short (10 min) ride back to the airport.)

At 10 pm when we were at the hotel, I phoned and the answer machine said that the desk was only open from 6 am to 9.45 pm.

Next morning I phoned at 6 am and the BA staff there said 'We rebooked you on a JAL flight that took off yesterday.'

I was fuming. Anyway she booked us on a JAL flight for 9pm that night.

We went to the airport again and I explained to another BA personnel that we needed to be on an earlier flight because my son was likely to be a huge disturbance on the flight if we had to wait till that night all day in the airport having already been on the go since yesterday morning. At 'Tickets Sales' the lady went into a back office and emerged some time later apologizing for keeping us waiting and saying that she had managed to get us on an earlier flight (BA) in the afternoon.

The moral of this tale is this. If you ever get stuck in Heathrow having missed a flight due to their problems, do not hang around the terminal. Leave through customs and go to ticket sales and explain your whole problem. Don't be put in lines that go on for hours and end in disappointment and fobbing off with letters that do not tell the truth, and only half the vouchers that you need.
Livyjr
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 5 2005, 02:41 AM)
Hi there, folks. 

In the end, lazyboy, it all worked out, and we are glad you are safe and sound, and back among us .....
jeffmoskin
I wonder if this is still a ripple effect from the dispute with Gate Gourmet. When my wife and I left Heathrow on Aug 10, we were the last flight out before the wildcat walkout. BA planes were grounded all around the globe. I figured it would take weeks, even months to put Humpty back tpgether again.

I guess we got your luck, lazyboy.

I'd rather be lucky than smart.
Abu Beacon
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 5 2005, 07:52 AM)
In the end, lazyboy, it all worked out, and we are glad you are safe and sound, and back among us .....
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Hello lazyboy -----

Glad to hear from you. One good thing about aggravating situations. Sooner or later they are over with no real or lasting damage done.

Snuffy Smith's cartoon depicting Mother Nature as terrorist was well timed. Earlier today I watched Wolf Blitzer interview Wm. Cohen, Sec'y. of Defense during some of the Clinton years.

He made the excellent point that the administration was ill prepared for Katrina and there was no difference between not being prepared for a catastrophe whether it was caused by terrorists or by Mother Nature.

It's going to be interesting to watch the president who says he can't recall ever making a mistake, when he starts pointing fingers at agencies who are the culprits, since it couldn't possibly be HIS administration who screwed up.

Anyhow ----- I am semi retiring from the forum for a while. I have another project going and frankly I do not have enough energy to handle both.

I will still skim through the forum, reading threads which I relate to, most of you know which ones they are, and occasionally will probably post something.

I plan to be back at some point. That's for sure. ( Lord willing )

A.B.
amy
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Sep 5 2005, 05:59 PM)
Anyhow ----- I am semi retiring from the forum for a while. I have another project going and frankly I do not have enough energy to handle both.

I will still skim through the forum, reading threads which I relate to, most of you know which ones they are, and occasionally will probably post something.

I plan to be back at some point. That's for sure. ( Lord willing )

A.B.
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Hi A.B.
Glad to hear you have a project to work on but I will miss your posts! I haven't been posting much lately on this thread lately-too busy reading and posting about Katrina damage.....We'll miss you-come back as soon as you are willing and able! Take care. smile.gif
Amy
Livyjr
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Sep 5 2005, 03:59 PM)
I plan to be back at some point.

That's for sure. ( Lord willing )


A.B.

Just another voice from the peanut gallery to say you'll be missed, Mr. A.B., if you stay away ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 5 2005, 03:03 PM)
I wonder if this is still a ripple effect from the dispute with Gate Gourmet.

When my wife and I left Heathrow on Aug 10, we were the last flight out before the wildcat walkout.

BA planes were grounded all around the globe.

I figured it would take weeks, even months to put Humpty back together again.

Boy, jeffmoskin, this is like deja vu all over again for the fifth or sixth time!

With all this incompetence all over the place, I feel like we're living inside the covers of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and I wonder what Alan Greenspan would have to say about that?

"Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand"

By Bill Bradford

Alan Greenspan’s name first appeared in the New York Times not, as one might expect, in connection with politics or economics, but as the author of a 73-word letter to the editor of the Times Book Review.

The future head of the Federal Reserve wrote to protest a hostile review of Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged that had appeared a few weeks earlier.

It was the fall of 1957.

By this time, Greenspan had abandoned a career as a jazz saxophonist, earned a degree at New York University’s School of Commerce, enrolled in and abandoned the Ph.D. program at Columbia, worked as staff economist with what today would be called a think tank, and become a partner in a Wall Street economic forecasting firm.

Alert readers noticed Greenspan’s name in the Times again seven weeks later, this time in Lewis Nichols’ column “In and Out of Books.”

The subject was a group of admirers of Ayn Rand, who gathered on Saturday evenings in Rand’s living room “for discussions of philosophy.”

Greenspan is listed among members of the group and identified only as “an economic consultant.”

Nichols described the group as a “class,” though he noted that “uncouth outsiders” were apt to use the language of religion rather than education to describe it.

That may have been the last time Rand’s following was described as a class; as her acolytes grew in number and devotion, it gradually came to be treated as a religion and, increasingly, as a cult.

At its head stood Nathaniel Branden, a psychotherapist 25 years Rand’s junior.

He lectured on Rand’s philosophy of “Objectivism,” co-edited (with Rand) The Objectivist Newsletter (later The Objectivist), and controlled access to Rand.

He recently described the beliefs of the cult in these words:

“Ayn Rand is the greatest human being who has ever lived."

"Atlas Shrugged is the greatest human achievement in the history of the world."

"Ayn Rand, by virtue of her philosophical genius, is the supreme arbiter of any issue pertaining to what is rational, moral, or appropriate to man’s life on earth.”

From its modest origin in the early 1950s, Rand’s following grew rapidly.

By the mid-1960s, over 20,000 copies of The Objectivist were selling each month, and people in more than 80 cities were gathering around tape recorders to listen raptly to Nathaniel Branden Institute lectures.

But all was not going well.

Unbeknownst to everyone but their spouses, Rand and Branden had been having an affair since the mid-1950s, and by now Branden wanted out.

This led to a bizarre chain of events, culminating with Rand calling Branden to her apartment, where she slapped him around and cursed him (“If you have an ounce of morality left in you, an ounce of psychological health, you’ll be impotent for the next 20 years! And if you achieve any potency, you’ll know its a sign of still worse moral degradation.”).

In the next issue of The Objectivist, she repudiated Branden “totally, permanently” because of a “disturbing change” in “his intellectual attitude,” to wit, “a tendency toward non-intellectual concerns.”

She also charged him with poor management of their jointly owned publishing effort and detailed some of the events that had led to their split.

She did not mention he had jilted her.

As I learned in hours of interviews with their associates, Greenspan was a member of Rand’s inner circle during this entire period and beyond.

He lectured on economics for the Nathaniel Branden Institute.

He wrote for the first issue of The Objectivist Newsletter, and when Rand broke with Branden, he signed a public statement condemning the traitor “irrevocably.”

When Gerald Ford appointed him to the Council of Economic Advisors, he invited Rand to his swearing-in ceremony, and attended her funeral in 1982.

Greenspan was introduced to Rand by Joan Mitchell, a young woman he was dating.

She was a friend of Barbara Weidman, Nathaniel Branden’s fiancée and already a member of the group of young admirers who met in Rand’s apartment.

“I was not really able to interest him in Objectivism,” Joan Mitchell Blumenthal recalls.

She and Greenspan married, but quickly discovered they had little in common.

It was only after their marriage was annulled that “he started showing up at Ayn’s, a strange turn of events.”

Greenspan and Rand didn’t hit it off.

According to Nathaniel Branden, he was philosophically a logical positivist and economically a Keynesian, both doctrines anathema to Rand.

“How can you stand talking to him?” Rand asked Branden.

“A logical positivist and a Keynesian?"

"I’m not even certain it’s moral to deal with him at all.”

(Barbara Branden doesn’t remember it that way, and neither does Greenspan. She and Greenspan deny he was ever a Keynesian.)

Nathaniel Branden engaged Greenspan in some “very long and involved philosophical, metaphysical, epistemological, political, economic, and moral conversations,” according to Barbara, which soon “had a profound effect upon him.”

He abandoned his positivism and Keynesianism, and soon, along with other members of the Collective (as the Rand’s young acolytes ironically called themselves), he was reading chapters of Atlas Shrugged as it was being written.

“Alan became much warmer, more open, more available,” recalls Barbara Branden.

“I mean Alan will never be Mr. Warmth, that’s just not his personality and nature."

"But the dourness, the grimness, the solemnity that he had when we first met him practically disappeared, I think, because he accepted us and knew that all of us including Ayn and Frank accepted him."

"It was like a family, it really was."

"And he was part of that family.”

Not everyone shared Barbara’s opinion.

One member of the Collective recalls, “It’s simply that he is a very cold person."

"It’s very hard to know what’s on his mind."

"Through those thick Coke-bottle glasses, you can’t even tell that he’s awake sometimes.”

More than one member of the Collective marveled at his ability to attract beautiful women.

“It was incredible how he always had a beautiful woman at his side,” recalls Barbara Branden.

“I think it was the attraction of his intellectual power and probably his reserve."

"You couldn’t knock him over by batting your eyelashes at him."

"He certainly had a profound effect on women.”

Another member speculates: “Maybe he was a good kisser, from all those years as a saxophone player.”

His ex-wife Joan Mitchell Blumenthal offers a different explanation.

“He is very clever, he knows a lot about a million things, and he has a wonderful sense of humor."

"Alan is charming and always interesting.”

He remained the odd man out.

Rand preferred people who were young and (as one member of the Collective remembers) “malleable.”

But she cut Greenspan some slack by virtue of his maturity and occupation.

“He was her special pet, because he was older, and in the business world,” recalls Edith Efron, who joined the Collective a few years later.

“She didn’t know anyone else very well who was a businessman."

"I think this was very important to her…she allowed him more intellectual liberty than she did other people.”

One area where Greenspan was apparently permitted ideological deviation was economics.

The “official” Objectivist theory of economics was the Austrian theory of Ludwig von Mises, which, among other tenets, holds that economic forecasting is impossible.

The issue apparently wasn’t discussed, but Greenspan continued his successful career as an economic forecaster after becoming involved with Rand.

And he never, as one Collective member archly points out, “attended Ludwig von Mises seminars at New York University, despite ample opportunity.”

(Today, Greenspan describes himself as an “eclectic, free-market forecaster,” who “generally agrees with Austrian economics.”)

“He was different,” Barbara Branden recalls.

“Which was very wise of him."

"He kept his private life to himself, which the rest of us did not do.”

Another recalls he “used to come late to everything and leave early."

"And he had his own relationship with [Rand] which was dignified."

"And he kept somewhat aloof from everybody, which was a smart thing to do.”

And he remained a puzzle to some.

“Alan Greenspan is incredibly terse,” one member told me, as if “everything he sends is a telegram and they’re charging by the word.

"He’s deliberately low-keyed and ponderous."

"On the other hand, he is a musician, so there obviously is a side of him that has passion and emotion, but…I would say he’s very guarded."

"He must be a wonderful poker player.”

Barbara Branden remembers this differently.

“Alan had no talent for and no interest in small talk."

"So if people around him were engaged in small talk they wouldn’t get anything from him."

"I mean that he would simply stand there and have nothing to contribute."

"But if there was something interesting, then he was very social.”

Greenspan was unique among the Collective’s older members.

The first to join, he was virtually the only one not to be expelled.

In 1957, economist Murray Rothbard read Atlas Shrugged and was enchanted.

He wrote Rand an enthusiastic fan letter and was invited into her movement, only to be expelled less than a year later, ostensibly for plagiarism.

Philosopher John Hospers, who never bought in to all of Rand’s thinking on epistemology and metaphysics but was sufficiently sympathetic with her esthetics, ethics, and politics that he was a frequent guest at Collective gatherings, was expelled instantly in 1962 after he criticized Rand’s address to the American Society for Esthetics, which he had arranged.

Journalist Edith Efron, who had joined the Collective after she interviewed Rand for Mike Wallace’s syndicated column, was expelled without explanation in 1967.

Greenspan’s aloofness may have been one reason he survived.

Coming to meetings late, leaving early, he wasn’t very involved in the battles.

John Hospers recalls that “he avoided talk about philosophical issues altogether,” which also helped keep him above the battles.

He was certainly aloof from the biggest battle of all, the battle between Rand and Nathaniel Branden in 1968.

By this time, he was off working as a policy advisor to Richard Nixon, who was campaigning for president.

He’d been recruited to the campaign in 1967 by Martin Anderson, who had become a peripheral member of Rand’s coterie after reading Atlas Shrugged in the early 1960s.

It turned out that an old friend of Greenspan was also involved in the campaign: Leonard Garment, who had managed the jazz band in which Greenspan had played back in the late ’40s, had become Nixon’s law partner and was working on the campaign.

Greenspan quickly became a domestic and economic policy analyst for Nixon.

When Rand and Branden split, Rand asked Greenspan to repudiate Branden publicly.

Without ever speaking to Branden, he agreed.

After the 1968 campaign, Greenspan returned to economic forecasting in New York, refusing job offers from the Nixon administration.

Six years later, President Ford offered him a position as chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors; Greenspan accepted.

With Ford’s defeat in 1977 he returned to private life, but was appointed by Ronald Reagan to head a special commission on Social Security in 1981.

Since 1987 he has headed the Federal Reserve System.

From the start of his political career, questions have arisen about Greenspan’s political beliefs.

Shortly after his appointment to the Council of Economic Advisors, he was asked on “Meet the Press” whether he had changed his opinion, published years earlier in a Nathaniel Branden Institute pamphlet, that anti-trust laws ought to be abolished.

He replied forthrightly that he continued to believe they should be, but he was well aware that such a move would be politically unpalatable for the foreseeable future.


Greenspan has also taken flack from other Randians for failing to implement policies that would radically free the economy.

“Alan Greenspan, whatever his rationalization,” John Ridpath of the Ayn Rand Institute told an interviewer for the Canadian Broadcasting Company, has “abandoned any philosophically principled stance” and “compromised himself and what he learned from Ayn Rand over and over.”

Others accuse him of trying to implement those same policies in a deceitful manner.

Journalist Michael Lewis recently wrote that Greenspan “has preserved a hard core of fanaticism, encasing it in a shell of pragmatism."

"No more waiting for everyone to realize that extreme laissez-faire capitalism is the best system: He’s taking control of the process himself, ever so quietly.”

Only a few months earlier, Greenspan had recommended to a Senate committee that all economic regulations should have fixed lifespans.

Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-Md.) accused him of “playing with fire, or indeed throwing gasoline on the fire,” and asked him whether he favored a similar provision in the Fed’s authorization.

Greenspan coolly answered that he did.

Do you actually mean, demanded the senator, that the Fed “should cease to function unless affirmatively continued?”

“That is correct, sir,” Greenspan responded.

“All right,” the senator came back, “the Defense Department?”

“Yes.”

The Senator could scarcely believe his ears.

“Now my next question is, is it your intention that the report of this hearing should be that Greenspan recommends a return to the gold standard?”

Greenspan responded, “I’ve been recommending that for years, there’s nothing new about that…."

"It would probably mean there is only one vote in the Federal Open Market Committee for that, but it is mine.”

This may be the first time that advocating a policy on a nationally televised Senate committee meeting has been characterized as trying to implement a policy “ever so quietly.”

Greenspan doesn’t talk to the press as a matter of policy.

But it appears he has tried to implement policy changes coherent with laissez-faire capitalism whenever it was possible, and he has articulated his case when given the opportunity.

As Barbara Branden observes, “Alan believes in the art of the possible.”

And, as his friend Joan Mitchell Blumenthal has observed, “Alan is very devoted to Ayn."

"He still thinks of her most kindly.”

R. W. Bradford edits Liberty, a libertarian magazine of politics and culture.
amy
A.B.

lazyboy
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 5 2005, 03:03 PM)
I wonder if this is still a ripple effect from the dispute with Gate Gourmet. When my wife and I left Heathrow on Aug 10, we were the last flight out before the wildcat walkout. BA planes were grounded all around the globe. I figured it would take weeks, even months to put Humpty back tpgether again.

I guess we got your luck, lazyboy.

I'd rather be lucky than smart.
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The reason for the three hour delay of the plane from London was rumoured to be computer breakdown, but you no doubt are right Jeff, I also thought that Gate Gourmet would take a few weeks to work its way through the system and finally resolve.

Of course Hurricane Katrina puts inconveniences in perspective. I too have been reading every report available and kept off the forum for a few days in its wake.

It is nice to be back among friends, even though I would really prefer to live in a country where I spoke the language properly and the television and radio was more available. But in the light of the suffering of the people of N.O. I have nothing to complain about.

Someone has compared the N.O. disaster to the Titanic.

It has some of the same overtones. For instance the way the rich could escape in their cars and the poor were left behind. I was thinking about it last night when I could not sleep. I wondered if a lot of people are going to be dogged with guilt that they took half empty cars away from the disaster area without considering their less fortunate neighbours. In hindsight perhaps the Mayor of N.O. should have put in a caveat with the mandatory evacuation order, and said, 'Get yourselves in your transport and then go down town and pick up a few people who do not have transport.' It is easy to say this now. Who would have been able to figure it out at the time, and organize and motivate people. Perhaps it would not have worked anyway because of the numbers involved and congestion of the already packed highways and byways.

Thanks for all your welcoming comments. Sorry to hear A.B. is going to be away a while, good luck with your project A.B. and, please, come back soon if possible, or drop in from time to time.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Sep 5 2005, 02:59 PM)
I plan to be back at some point. That's for sure. ( Lord willing )

A.B.
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I hope so, too, Mr. A.B.

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 5 2005, 04:49 PM)
Boy, jeffmoskin, this is like deja vu all over again for the fifth or sixth time!

With all this incompetence all over the place, I feel like we're living inside the covers of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and I wonder what Alan Greenspan would have to say about that?
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He would probably have said, "Who is John Galt?"
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 5 2005, 05:56 PM)
Someone has compared the N.O. disaster to the Titanic.


Last time I checked, when the Titanic sank, no homes were lost; 500,000 jobs were not lost either.


QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 5 2005, 05:56 PM)
It has some of the same overtones.  For instance the way the rich could escape in their cars and the poor were left behind.  I was thinking about it last night when I could not sleep.  I wondered if a lot of people are going to be dogged with guilt that they took half empty cars away from the disaster area without considering their less fortunate neighbours.  In hindsight perhaps the Mayor of N.O. should have put in a caveat with the mandatory evacuation order, and said, 'Get yourselves in your transport and then go down town and pick up a few people who do not have transport.'  It is easy to say this now.  Who would have been able to figure it out at the time, and organize and motivate people.  Perhaps it would not have worked anyway because of the numbers involved and congestion of the already packed highways and byways.
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Good point, LB. A full car causes no greater congestion than a half empty one. Helping one's neighbor is what community is all about. I guess we don't have that anymore.

BTW, where in UK did you go? We spent a week in the Cotswolds; had a ball.
lazyboy
I went back to see the family. They live in the NE of the UK, about half an hour from Newcastle.
But we went to see family living around Scotland's east coast. We also had day trips around the north to places like Tynemouth, Jedburgh, Carter's Bar (the border between Scotland and England), Bamburgh Castle, Newcastle, the Roman fort at Housetseads, Corbridge and the large indoor mall called the Metrocentre.

We had amazingly nice weather. What did you get?
Snuffysmith
Where the Rumsfelds Retreat, The Cheneys Soon Could Follow

By Dan Morse

ST. MICHAELS, Md. -- They've grown used to having a secretary of defense in their midst -- the way his weekend estate is tucked behind a bend in the road, how he takes casual walks tailed by dark SUVs. Now, residents of this Eastern Shore retreat are preparing for someone even bigger to buy a house down the road: the vice president.

"I'd heard it was going to close either Tuesday or Wednesday of this week," Carroll Hurley, a funeral home owner, said Saturday, seated with his breakfast gang at the Carpenter Street saloon and restaurant.

Whether it's true -- that Dick and Lynne Cheney are buying an estate here -- could not be confirmed. Those closest to the deal -- Cheney's office, the purported sellers, the listing agent -- aren't talking. Hurley admits he's not certain: "All I have is hearsay. It wouldn't stand up in court."

Still, a nosy visit here leaves a person with one of two possibilities: Either the Cheneys are coming or a lot of people have bad information. Police Chief Ed Henry -- who breakfasted along with Hurley -- even referred to the lot in question as "Cheney's house."

The house, listed at $2.9 million, backs up in spectacular fashion to an inlet of the Chesapeake Bay. "Right out by [Defense Secretary Donald H.] Rumsfeld's," said Charles Mangold Sr., whose Benson & Mangold agency brokers high-end estates in the area. "It's under contract, but he hasn't settled yet."

Reaction to the two men's presence is embedded into everyday conversation -- even as residents take pride in taking it all in stride. They tick off celebrities who have lived in or visited the area: Margaret Thatcher, Walter Cronkite, James Michener, Yasser Arafat and Vince Vaughan -- the latest during nearby filming of "Wedding Crashers."

Residents joke about the occasional helicopter overhead and what flavor Rumsfeld gets at Justine's Ice Cream parlor. One woman even drew a clear distinction -- pro-Rumsfeld, anti-Cheney.

"Cheney's a politician. He's connected with Bush," said Rhonda Lewis, 58, a bookkeeper at a bike shop in nearby Easton. She has always had a crush on Rumsfeld. "He is just adorable."

She thinks the defense secretary often looks stressed out on TV, and seeing him walk casually through St. Michaels in khakis is comforting. "Bush just dumped all the hard stuff on him," Lewis said.

At Albright's Gun Shop, a highly regarded draw for goose and duck hunters, a photo of the vice president hangs near the counter. "Best Wishes. Dick Cheney," says the autograph.

Near the photo, behind the counter, Jim Kohlhaus remembered a recent day when several security people walked into the store, followed by the vice president. "I'll be . . . ," Kohlhaus said. He recalled telling Cheney he voted for him twice, "and I finally get to shake your hand."

Cheney extended his hand, Kohlhaus said, and bought some shotgun shells.

Rumsfeld bought a weekend house in St. Michaels two years ago, reportedly for about $1.5 million. He gets generally good reviews here for his desire to blend in -- even if that means taking a walk with his wife, Joyce, down a rural stretch of road tailed by SUVs. Residents say he doesn't like to pose for pictures alone, preferring to ask people to stand next to him and have a brief chat.

Lori Cuthbert, who lives nearby, said she met the defense secretary at a neighborhood St. Patrick's Day party. She intends to invite the Rumsfelds to an upcoming barbecue -- despite the Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker on her Honda.

Sue Stockman, an artist who sells jewelry and mosaics, bears witness that different types of people blend together here. Her Volkswagen van parked in her driveway is painted with flowers and sports "Think Peace" and "It Takes a Village to Raise a Child" bumper stickers. She protested the war in Iraq before it started and describes herself as an "environmentalist, holistic thinker and a pacifist."

Stockman reported having a run-in with someone she suspects was part of Rumsfeld's security detail. They argued over the film "Fahrenheit 9/11" at the Blue Crab Coffee shop -- ending with her putting a hand on his shoulder, sending him Reiki energy healing and telling him she had to get going.

A short time later, the man showed up at her house and gave her a small book, Stockman said. She fetched it from inside her house. "The Meaning of Life" is filled with photographs of animals, bits of wisdom and an inscription from the former Marine asking Stockman to accept his apologies and the book "as a token of friendship."

Cheney seemingly has spent far less time here. He, his wife and the Rumsfelds did dine on April 16 at 208 Talbot, a high-end restaurant in central St. Michaels.

"Cheney had the lamb," said Deborah Miller, seated behind the hostess stand.

She knew something was up that day when security agents showed up in the afternoon to scout out the place. An attache of Cheney's then arrived, saying he'd prefer a table among the regular diners -- rather than in a back room. No one bothered their table, and the foursome couldn't have been more pleasant, Miller recalled. But she didn't know whether Cheney was buying a place.

And the owner of the house in question declined to comment, saying politely from the end of its long driveway that he didn't want to talk about anything.

The estate goes back to 1930 and was said to be built by one of Thomas Edison's daughters, according to Robert Snyder, the Coldwell Banker agent who is listing the property.

The nine-acre lot includes extensive gardens, ornamental pools and spectacular views of the water behind it. Deer and osprey can be seen.

Snyder, who is vice president of the St. Michaels town commission, declined to say when any deal might close and whether the Cheneys were going to move in. "It truly is a magnificent piece of property," he added.
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jeffmoskin
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 5 2005, 08:20 PM)
I went back to see the family.  They live in the NE of the UK, about half an hour from Newcastle.
But we went to see family living around Scotland's east coast.  We also had day trips around the north to places like Tynemouth, Jedburgh, Carter's Bar (the border between Scotland and England), Bamburgh Castle, Newcastle, the Roman fort at Housetseads, Corbridge and the large indoor mall called the Metrocentre.

We had amazingly nice weather.  What did you get?
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Weather was perfect. We stayed in Stow on the Wold and Painswick, near Owl Pen. All storybook places.

BTW, heard big typhoon on its way to Japan. Are you safe?
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 5 2005, 07:29 PM)
He would probably have said, "Who is John Galt?"

I wonder if Alan Greenspan could conceive of John Galt, jeffmoskin?

Certainly, though, Alan Greenspan should be able to recognize the "world leader", Mr. Thompson, I believe it was, in the person of ................

And so, he would know the times that we are in, as well as anyone would ......
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 5 2005, 05:49 PM)
Boy, jeffmoskin, this is like deja vu all over again for the fifth or sixth time!

With all this incompetence all over the place, I feel like we're living inside the covers of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand .......

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 6 2005, 12:37 PM)
I wonder if Alan Greenspan could conceive of John Galt, jeffmoskin?

Certainly, though, Alan Greenspan should be able to recognize the "world leader", Mr. Thompson, I believe it was, in the person of ................

And so, he would know the times that we are in, as well as anyone would ......

Explaining Greenspan - Disciple of Ayn Rand or George Bush?

From Deborah White,

Mar 9 2005

Economic Genius Declared Hack by US Senator

Alan Greenspan is “one of the biggest political hacks in Washington” declared Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid this week to Judy Woodruff of CNN.

Princeton economist Paul Krugman wrote in the New York Times that Greenspan is a “three-card maestro” with a “lack of sincerity” who, “by repeatedly shilling for whatever the Bush administration wants, has betrayed the trust place in the Fed chairman….”

Who is Alan Greenspan and why are people criticizing him?

Alan Greenspan is Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board (FRB).

He has served on the FRB since 1987 when he was appointed by President Reagan.

His current term expires in January 2006.

He is not eligible for another term.

Dr. Greenspan served on advisory boards for Presidents Nixon, Ford and Reagan.

Greenspan was born and educated in New York City, where he earned a BA, MA and, 27 years later in 1977, a PhD in economics.

After earning his MA in 1950, Greenspan became a 20-year associate of famed philosopher Ayn Rand, author of books "The Virtue of Selfishness,""Atlas Shrugged" and more.

Greenspan wrote for Rand’s newsletters and authored a chapter for a Rand book.

Understanding Ayn Rand is key to interpreting Greenspan.

Rand espoused a radical philosophy of individualism and self-interest.

She had a dislike for religion and compulsory charity, which she believed fostered resentment of individual success.

Ayn Rand created a doctrine of rational hedonism, supported by unfettered capitalism and the rights of successful individuals at the expense of the community.

A devout atheist, she taught that charity is not a virtue.

She believed in the elimination of most state regulation except for crime control and the judiciary.

In "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal", Rand uses the word “altruists” to describe forces of evil that burden the beleaguered American business community.

When Ayn Rand said that government has no obligation to the less fortunate, she became an icon to ultra-conservatives.

She's been labeled a Social Darwinist who believed nature intended for the successful (strongest) to survive, and, unregrettably, the remainder might not survive.


In the 1970s, Alan Greenspan worked in his own well-connected consulting firm.

Before joining the FRB in 1987, Greenspan served as director for numerous corporations, including Mobil Corporation, Morgan Guaranty Trust Company and JP Morgan & Co. Inc.

In his prime, Greenspan’s economic acumen was widely honored.

He was awarded dozens of accolades and honorary degrees.

He advised many first-rate think-tanks.

He was regarded as the leading authority on US domestic economic policy.

Greenspan solidified his standing as the Great Economic Guru during the Clinton administration.

He advised President Clinton, who listened, to reduce the federal deficit, causing a drop in long-term interest rates.

That led to demand for new mortgages, increased consumer spending, an expanding economy and a robust stock market.

Clinton rode the wave of Greenspan economics and 20 million new jobs, leaving a healthy budget surplus.

Then George W. squeaked into the presidency.

With the Bush election, Alan Greenspan’s economic advice grew puzzlingly partisan and his track record became mysteriously spotty.

Just like that of General Colin Powell’s previously sterling advice, above-reproach reputation and spotless track record.

In his second term, George W. has required all inner circle members to sign written oaths pledging loyalty to the President and his ideas.

It’s unknown if such an oath was required in any form during his first term.

In 2001, Greenspan gave crucial support to Bush’s tax cuts for the rich, when virtually no one, except ultra-conservatives, endorsed the concept.

Those tax cuts are responsible for today’s disastrous budget deficit.

In 2005, Greenspan is the lone economic voice urging Americans to adopt the program that George Bush desperately desires……Bush-style privatization of Social Security.

Alan Greenspan says he supports privatization of Social Security despite his admissions that:

1. Social Security will not increase overall national savings.

2. Private accounts will do nothing to save Social Security.

3. Greenspan does not endorse borrowing trillions of dollars to finance Social Security privatization.

What’s the deal with Alan Greenspan in the 21st century?

Why is he defying his own pat wisdom?

The plain truth is…we don’t know.

But here are a few suggestions.

Loyalty, felt or enforced, to President George Bush’s political goals;

Loyalty to Wall Street friends who will benefit richly from Social Security privatization;

OR…….

80 years old this week, in likely his last year with significant policy-making power, perhaps Dr. Greenspan wants to take this final chance to strike a blow for Ayn Rand and her philosophy of rewarding the “successful."

Ayn Rand and Charles Darwin would be proud.

George Bush, too.
lazyboy
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 6 2005, 06:28 AM)
Weather was perfect. We stayed in Stow on the Wold and Painswick, near Owl Pen. All storybook places.

BTW, heard big typhoon on its way to Japan. Are you safe?
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The Cotswolds are beautiful. The north has a much wilder beauty, not so much storybook, more like 'Wuthering Heights'. I must say I noticed at Bamburgh, which is on the coast, not one seabird. Seahouses (nearby) and the Farne Isles are famous for their wildlife, especially the birds and seals. Then on returning to my computer I read on the BBC website that this has been a terrible year for birds breeding in Britain.

Thank you for your concern but in Tokyo managed to escape the typhoon. Other parts of Japan were not so fortunate. China also had a huge typhoon in the last week or so, with many victims, but they had evacuated hundreds of thousands from the path of that one, so it was not as bad as it might have been.
Livyjr
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 5 2005, 09:20 PM)
We also had day trips around the north to places like the Roman fort at Housetseads .................

Your mention of this Roman fort brought to mind Norman forts that I saw on the west coast of Ireland that date back to 1100 A.D., or so .......

Some of them were in amazingly good condition, after all this time, which is a real testimonial to the "engineering" that went into them, way back when!

As one who has done some stone work himself, I would walk around these forts in a state of awe .......

It's my understanding that in England, the Romans were actually using concrete to build some of their forts, and I have read of some in the high country down in the S.E. of England, south of Bath, perhaps?

I also caught a bit of a TV special on Hadrian's wall, recently, while visiting at a friend's house, and I was amazed at that, as well!

I used to think of Hadrian's wall, as well, a wall, like a stone wall over here would be, but according to what I could see of it on this TV special, it was a real wall, with forts built into it, and the ability to move troops on top of it .....

Kind of like a Great Wall of China, except in England ......

Here in America, one thing that we don't realize is how old this world of OURS really is, and how long people have really been down here on this earth, doing various things, like waging war ..............

If a shopping mall over here is more than five or ten hours old, it seems, it is already being scheduled for demolition, or extensive make-over, because people got bored of it eight or nine hours ago, and so .....

Or the construction was so shoddy that the thing is in imminent danger of collapse .....

So when you go to a place like England or Ireland where there are constructions from a thousand years ago, or more that are still standing ....

Well, I guess it's just a thing of perspective .......
lazyboy
One of the things I miss about England is the unchangingness of it. Although there are exceptions and new roads built right through historic towns making it difficult to remember your way around. In Japan they have little regard for the history of Tokyo, and one minute a beautiful old bathhouse building is there, the next minute it is an empty space or a gambling house with a tasteless design - mock sphinxes that make you laugh if you happen to come from Egypt or any other country with real historic remains. They have no respect for their history. The up side to this is that Japan is second to none at making and using solar panels which will help to preserve the earth, we hope.

In my opinion there is no more beautiful place on earth than the views from the Roman Wall in the UK. It is also very accessible. You do not have to pay to take a walk along the wall, though you are asked to refrain from walking on it. People don't always take any notice though.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 7 2005, 06:25 AM)
If a shopping mall over here is more than five or ten hours old, it seems, it is already being scheduled for demolition, or extensive make-over, because people got bored of it eight or nine hours ago, and so .....

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Not far from the truth, Livyjr.

The Sherman Oaks "Galleria" (made famous as the "Bonarama" in the Valley Girls song) was only 20 years old when it was completely gutted in order to be "modernized."

The Santa Monica Place, designed by Frank Ghery I believe, is slated for demo next year.

Boredom.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 7 2005, 05:06 PM)
One of the things I miss about England is the unchangingness of it.  Although there are exceptions and new roads built right through historic towns making it difficult to remember your way around.  In Japan they have little regard for the history of Tokyo, and one minute a beautiful old bathhouse building is there, the next minute it is an empty space or a gambling house with a tasteless design - mock sphinxes that make you laugh if you happen to come from Egypt or any other country with real historic remains.  They have no respect for their history.  The up side to this is that Japan is second to none at making and using solar panels which will help to preserve the earth, we hope.

In my opinion there is no more beautiful place on earth than the views from the Roman Wall in the UK.  It is also very accessible.  You do not have to pay to take a walk along the wall, though you are asked to refrain from walking on it.  People don't always take any notice though.
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Speaking of walking, or "tramping" as the Brits call it, even though property has been private for centuries, there are public footpaths everywhere in the Cotswolds. It is possible to walk for miles and miles from town to town, through fields full of sheep. Minding where we step, of course.
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 7 2005, 07:05 PM)
Speaking of walking, or "tramping" as the Brits call it, even though property has been private for centuries, there are public  footpaths everywhere in the Cotswolds.

It is possible to walk for miles and miles from town to town, through fields full of sheep.

Minding where we step, of course.

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In Ireland, at least over on the west coast, it is somewhat the same, jeffmoskin, with respect to being able to walk about, especially up in what is called the BURREN!

But the sheep in Ireland must be bigger than the sheep in England, because I never had to worry about stepping on a sheep while walking about over there .....

Are they about the size of a smallish cat, then, would you say, or a hamster, maybe?

Maybe that is why there are so many, perhaps, if they are so small that you can step on them!

Takes a lot of them to get any amount of wool at all, but of course, if you can hold one in your hand, well, it would make them a lot easier to shear .....

And so .....

Genetic engineering?

Or INTELLIGENT DESIGN?
lazyboy
I must jump in and defend British sheep sizes. I think Jeff was referring to their 'doings' that you have to be careful not to step in. The ones I saw last time I was there were quite big. But this reminds me of when I went to Canada when I was single (ahhhhh - those were the days) and my hosts pointed out a Canadian robin. I could not believe how BIG it was compared to the British robin red-breast. (I am feeling homesick now, because it is YEARS since I saw a robin in England. They are so small and cute you could hold one in the palm of your hand easily.) There are no robins that I know of in Tokyo. However the crows, as I may have told you, are BIG, and build amazing nests with metal coathangers that they bend to the required shape. They put in token bits of soft stuff that they find. I am quite fond of these creatures who are so adaptable to their surroundings.
Livyjr
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 8 2005, 07:45 PM)
I must jump in and defend British sheep sizes. 

I think Jeff was referring to their 'doings' that you have to be careful not to step in. 

The ones I saw last time I was there were quite big.
 

O.K., lazyboy!

You caught me out here, goading at jeffmoskin!

But in here, I think it is permissable to be a bit foolish, since in here, we don't have to be completely serious ....

Or do we?

And our robins here, lazyboy, are fairly big!

But I'm close to Canada, myself, and so ours and theirs are probably the same bird!

And the crow is an amazing bird!

And here, I am trying to recall, but I think in Ireland the crows had white backs and were called "whitebacks"!

Ring a bell?
lazyboy
I've never heard that about the Irish crows. However, I am reading Frank Mc Court's 'Tis'. I read 'Angela's Ashes' not long ago. I feel as if I have been to Ireland. I can hardly believe the poverty they survived, and the suffering his mother had. Have you read the books or seen the film, Livyjr?
amy
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 9 2005, 08:31 AM)
I've never heard that about the Irish crows.  However, I am reading Frank Mc Court's 'Tis'.  I read 'Angela's Ashes' not long ago.  I feel as if I have been to Ireland.  I can hardly believe the poverty they survived, and the suffering his mother had.  Have you read the books or seen the film, Livyjr?
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Nice to have you back, lazyboy. smile.gif I'm glad to know you had a nice time back in England.I've read both of McCourt's books and enjoyed them very much. Yes, the poverty in Ireland drove my grandfather to flee Ireland and emigrate to the U.S.
Did your son enjoy his vacation and is he in school now? My 13 year old son has entered the 8th grade and life is busy with his homework,sports and music activities.
Livyjr
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 9 2005, 06:31 AM)
However, I am reading Frank Mc Court's 'Tis'. 

I read 'Angela's Ashes' not long ago. 

I feel as if I have been to Ireland. 

I can hardly believe the poverty they survived, and the suffering his mother had. 

Have you read the books or seen the film, Livyjr?

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No, I haven't, lazyboy!

But I was in Ireland for four months one time, working over there, and so, I got to be among the people themselves, and I got to travel around on the weekends, and see things for myself, and I really liked being over there, to be truthful!

I was on the west coast, in Clare!

And poverty is a relative thing, lazyboy!

It's like clay!

You can make a lot of things out of it, or nothing at all, and the clay does not care!

I was up in Doolin, which is a bit of a place up near the Cliffs of Mohr, and there was a lad there who was a real good bazouki player, and someone got to asking him about that, his dedication to the music and all, and his answer was interesting!

He kind of went with his hand around the pub, which was an old stone place, and then to what was outside the pub, which is not much by New York City standards, anyway, and he said that when you were stuck in a place like that all winter long with no money, well, music was part of how you kept your sanity and wiled away the hours until spring!

And I smiled upon hearing that, because it is so true!

Poverty is like clay!
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 9 2005, 01:10 PM)
And poverty is a relative thing, lazyboy!

It's like clay!

You can make a lot of things out of it, or nothing at all, and the clay does not care!

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You have become the CGCS resident philosopher, Livyjr.

You come up with some amazing metaphors.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 9 2005, 01:10 PM)
Poverty is like clay!
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And poverty is NOT about money. There are loads of people who are fabulously wealthy but impoverished in the soul. In fact, some are running our country (into the ground).

On the other hand, there are loads of people who have next to nothing but are satisfied with their lot, help people out who have even less, and whose souls are full.

Reminds me of the lyric from "Porgy and Bess"



"I got plenty of nothing
And nothing's plenty for me
I got no car - got no mule
I got no misery

Folks with plenty of plenty
They've got a lock on the door
Afraid somebody's gonna rob 'em
While there out (a) making more - what for

I got no lock on the door - that's no way to be
They can steal the rug from the floor - that's OK with me
'Cause the things that I prize - like the stars in the skies - are all free

I got plenty of nothing
And nothing's plenty for me
I got my gal - got my song
(I) Got heaven the whole day long

- Got my gal - got my love - got my song."

Writer(s): Heyward/Gershwin/Gershwin
lazyboy
Amy, thanks for the welcom back. Yes, my son thought he was in heaven, all those big rooms, and so much furniture to climb on and jump off, including beds. Then the green grass and trees and open spaces and hills to run up and down, and wind to fly a kite in, and no 30 - 40 degree centigrade heat to make you have to stay in an airconned cage.

It is always very hard to resettle in Japan. But I have some friends who are worse off than me. Stuck in wheelchairs. They live just down the road and they have a cafe that looks out onto a crossroads, there is a sign outside that invites anyone to come in and buy a drink and mix with the old and young residents, and day patients.

I was surprised that one youngish man (about 40) who was always in a wheelchair when I saw him was on crutches the other day. Things are looking up. He was not exactly walking, but just getting the feel of the ground under his feet.

They really missed meeting my son, because we go there every Wednesday and Saturday. All of them are like saints, they are so stoical. It is bad enough just living in a city, but they are stuck in wheelchairs to boot. (Talking about poverty.)

They smile and laugh at my son's silly antics, and noisiness. When I apologize for his bad behaviour they say 'It's normal, he would not be normal if he was quiet.' Which makes me feel a whole lot better.

Fortunately we live in a place where they spend a lot on public amenities, parks, and culture centres, and they have reworked the roads and pavements to make it possible for those residents to glide on and off the pavements more easily.

Livyjr, and Jeff, I agree so much with the philosphy you have come out with.

In England Kento was able to see stars for once, a thing you cannot do so easily in Tokyo. The silence at night was almost tangible.
lazyboy
Going out to the UK on the plane the Japanese women were dressed modestly. Then, it was a big shock to see how the necklines in Britain have suddenly plunged. Coming back on the plane the Japanese were reflecting that fashion.

I also noticed, at Heathrow airport, hefty policement carrying guns, pointed up (which is threatening to the observer). They looked like semi-automatics to me. How things change suddenly.

Scattered here and there over the horizon of the various country places we visited, I noticed the increased number of wind-power generators.

London which used to be full of black and brown peoples, is now filling with East Europeans - you saw the maids in the hotels and heard them speaking strange tongues.

This time around a black male BA air flight attendant assisted me off the plane by carrying my bags. I was carrying a sleeping child. The last time nobody helped me. The time before that the Japanese BA flight attendant helped me. Looks like foreigners are the ones to be relied on to help, and to take their jobs seriously. Then, as I was left to go to collect the baggage, a nice fellow passenger offered to carry my bags.

One never knows where the guardian angels are going to pop up from.
lazyboy
QUOTE(amy @ Sep 9 2005, 07:31 AM)
Nice to have you back, lazyboy. smile.gif I'm glad to know you had a nice time back in England.I've read both of McCourt's books and enjoyed them very much. Yes, the poverty in Ireland drove my grandfather to flee Ireland and emigrate to the U.S.
Did your son enjoy his vacation and is he in school now? My 13 year old son has entered the 8th grade and life is busy with his homework,sports and music activities.
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You must be a quarter Irish, Amy.

My son is back at school. Next year he will be at the big school - shogakko. They enter at 6.
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 9 2005, 05:54 PM)
And poverty is NOT about money.

There are loads of people who are fabulously wealthy but impoverished in the soul.

And you are the "INSIGHTFUL PERSON", then, jeffmoskin ......
Snuffysmith
got no lock on the door - that's no way to be
They can steal the rug from the floor - that's OK with me
'Cause the things that I prize - like the stars in the skies - are all free
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Sep 10 2005, 08:50 AM)
got no lock on the door - that's no way to be

They can steal the rug from the floor - that's OK with me

'Cause the things that I prize - like the stars in the skies - are all free

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Ah, Snuffysmith .....

Values ........

How many people in a city go through their whole lives not knowing that above their heads is a whole sky full of stars ....

And how many don't even care to know (whether in a city or not) ...

Oh, well ....

Life is clay, too!
Snuffysmith
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 10 2005, 09:18 PM)
Ah, Snuffysmith .....

Values ........

How many people in a city go through their whole lives not knowing that above their heads is a whole sky full of stars ....

And how many don't even care to know (whether in a city or not) ...

Oh, well ....

Life is clay, too!
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Did a trip down the Colorado River back in the 1970s - there were so many stars overhead, it was almost like day. And even though I live in DC, I only lock the door at night. And the song was one of my favorite songs done by the We Five. Now I'm dating myself.
Snuffysmith
After reading and posting all of tomorrow's news on Katrina that came across the wire services tonight, I went to Yahoo News editorial cartoons site hoping to find something that at least would make me smile. The following was the only one that at least got a laugh. Guess I'm losing it tonight. Tomorrow's another day.





Snuffysmith
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Sep 11 2005, 04:42 AM)
Did a trip down the Colorado River back in the 1970s - there were so many stars overhead, it was almost like day. And even though I live in DC, I only lock the door at night. And the song was one of my favorite songs done by the We Five. Now I'm dating myself. But Liv, I don't think life is clay. Dead bodies are clay.
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lazyboy
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Sep 10 2005, 08:50 AM)
got no lock on the door - that's no way to be
They can steal the rug from the floor - that's OK with me
'Cause the things that I prize - like the stars in the skies - are all free
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Sometimes I feel that all the 'precious' possessions I have are nothing more than a ball and chain that have to be lugged about from home to home, should I ever get out of here. I feel the occasional urge to leave my front door open and write a note to invite any burglars to take the lot away. I would not be sorry to see a bit more space inside my home. (In Japan you would not get any response.) People here have valued space more than things for centuries. Only recently have they gone all faddish about technological devices, and cars.
lazyboy
I do not wish to sound fickle or uncaring, or Barbara Bush-like, but in a sense the floods clear a space for a person to begin again. However, the suffering that took place at the Superdome and convention centre do not bear thinking about, and the same goes for those bereaved, still separated from their loved ones, or who clung onto trees for hours and hours.

Let us hope a democratic government will get in and turn N.0. and the Mississippi delta area into an ecologically cleaner place, get rid of the famous dead zone, and come down hard on those who have overfished for decades.

Maybe this disaster has a silver lining. Maybe the ocean marine-life will have some time to recover. Or will the pollution - the toxic soup - cause a more fatal situation.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Sep 10 2005, 09:49 PM)
But I don't think life is clay ......
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It is in the sense that you can mold it as you will, to make of it what you will, or simply leave it to harden into a lump .....
Snuffysmith
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 11 2005, 01:04 PM)
It is in the sense that you can mold it as you will, to make of it what you will, or simply leave it to harden into a lump .....
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He took a hundred pounds of clay, and then he said . . .
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 11 2005, 12:57 AM)
Sometimes I feel that all the 'precious' possessions I have are nothing more than a ball and chain that have to be lugged about from home to home, should I ever get out of here.  I feel the occasional urge to leave my front door open and write a note to invite any burglars to take the lot away.  I would not be sorry to see a bit more space inside my home.  (In Japan you would not get any response.)  People here have valued space more than things for centuries.  Only recently have they gone all faddish about technological devices, and cars.
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We enter and leave this world with nothing. We acquire a lot of stuff during the interval.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(lazyboy @ Sep 11 2005, 01:02 AM)
I do not wish to sound fickle or uncaring, or Barbara Bush-like, but in a sense the floods clear a space for a person to begin again.  However, the suffering that took place at the Superdome and convention centre do not bear thinking about, and the same goes for those bereaved, still separated from their loved ones, or who clung onto trees for hours and hours.

Let us hope a democratic government will get in and turn N.0. and the Mississippi delta area into an ecologically cleaner place, get rid of the famous dead zone, and come down hard on those who have overfished for decades.

Maybe this disaster has a silver lining.  Maybe the ocean marine-life will have some time to recover.  Or will the pollution - the toxic soup - cause a more fatal situation.
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Maybe after the govt spends 100 billion to clean up the mess, it will spend the 1 or 2 billion it had allocated and then robbed (for Iraq) to build up NO's defense system.

Is anybody in DC smart enough to maybe ask some engineers from...

Holland?

Or Denmark?

...for their expertise?
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 11 2005, 09:53 AM)
Is anybody in DC smart enough to maybe ask some engineers from...

Holland?

Or Denmark?

...for their expertise?

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Not really, no .....
Snuffysmith
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 11 2005, 04:50 PM)
We enter and leave this world with nothing. We acquire a lot of stuff during the interval.
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I remember the days when I took pride in the fact that everything I owned I could fit in my car.
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Sep 11 2005, 09:53 AM)
Is anybody in DC smart enough ......

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Not really, no .....
Snuffysmith
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Sep 11 2005, 07:04 PM)
Not really, no .....
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Liv - That would be too easy. You don't want to let the Army Corps of Engineers think they are stupid. Might hurt their feelings.
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