I've been working on an optimized alternator for about 20 years off and on, and think I've got it to where it'll make for a good energy product, but....

While reading and posting on these forums and the Kerry forums I came up with the concept of something quite interesting. I think I can make a device that that'll fit in a closet sized room that will generate several gig watts of energy using some already existing technology concepts and very little fuel to make it work. Why hasn't anyone else done it ___?????__, I don't know, it’s pretty simple! Anyway I'm looking for a few people to help hash out this concept to see if it'll really work. The only "safety" issue I can see is the incredible amount of electricity, and the Elf’s (electro-magnetic low frequency radiation) associated with this high of energy.

I would like some "patent rights" protection before I disclose the workings of this device, and am quite willing to share the rights to anyone who helps make this work. Don't expect this to be some miracle break through, it's at the early concept stage.

Here are some people that seem to have a great understanding of energy related devices, and I need your help and discussion to make this work, or see that it won't work. Anyone else interested can join in too...


Freedom4all
Alexander38
Adam_Ohio
energywiz

farmerTom aka(Tom Sowder)

I'll need a non-disclosers/patent rights contract notarized by a notary public in your state...that’s about all. I think I've got it!

Tom,

I'm guessing you've already considered this, but is this a heat engine? You realize that even if you're running at Carnot Efficiency, your cold reservoir is 300 Kelvin and your hot reservoir is 1800 K (melting point of steel), you're going to be generating 166 MW of waste heat per GW generated in this closet sized room.

I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't an issue for you.

Good Luck,

Mark

It's not a heat engine, but heat is a concern. The engine is totally inefficient for heat and would need a lot of "heat controlling" devices and techniques. Scavenging heat or stray power is not needed other than for maintenance and safety issues.

Sometimes I guess it's easy to confuse ones own prosperity with the prosperity and safety of everyone. I don't think I need to seek any non-disclosers, or patent rights protection measures for something like this. I think everyone in the world would get by better with free power, I can say that if I do a patent search anytime soon and encounter any patents that post date this message I'll seek legal council to try and force the rights of this idea into the ownership of all the people on this planet. This may not work, but I'm trying.


Flux compression engine.

The engine is quite simple in its concept:

It’s pretty much just a 6 cylinder reciprocating engine that has source compression coils for a cylinder sleeves, and inductance coil wrapped around that. The motor is tuned to run at 7200 rpm and produces 3 phase power @ 60 hz. Oxygen free copper looks the the best choice so far for the coils and coil walls, and Titanium/Aluminum/Vanadium >> Ti90/Al 6/V 4 for the rest of the engine to force the EMP’s into the copper. The engine would be coupled with some very large capacitors and the load/grid....

This is a normal 4 stroke engine in concept except the resulting explosion forces the charge in the compression coil into a pulsed wave and is collected by the inductance coil. Much of the power here is from the compression of the electro-magnetic field and the inductance of the energy of the explosion.

The engine components can be of an existing common vehicle that has a lot of aftermarket sources, I think a 302 cid Ford motor would work, or a 350 cid Chevy motor. Both of these have a lot of parts already to go, just got to make a few modifications. The motor would be best built with a low back pressure and a very long throw. The motor could also power the forced air induction and other simple motor functions.

I think the fuel mixture needs to be very efficient so the motor doesn’t over heat, cake up with carbon, fires fast, fires evenly, and is affordable/available.

Super charged Ethanol/NOS????

Here's a very basic drawing of the elementary process:
http://img96.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img96&image=mhd-engine1.jpg

:D

http://www.tfd.chalmers.se/~valeri/EMP.html

Everyone else wanted to make a bomb with this technology, I think there are to many bombs already. Scroll down to where you see this:
followed by some diagrams of the flux compressor.


E-bombs can unleash in a flash as much electrical power—2 billion watts or more—as the Hoover Dam generates in 24 hours. [And], although the Pentagon prefers not to use experimental weapons on the battlefield, "the world intervenes from time to time," - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

OK. Indulge someone who is not that much of an expert in physics and expecially electromagnetics (got my graduate degrees in chemistry). If your source of power for this system is combustion of hydrocarbon fuel, would not the ultimate limit of power output be the theorietical potential/chemical energy of combustion in the fuel source less the engine efficiency?

Write slowly - I need to figure this out. :D

I apologize in advance if I am overlooking something obvious.

Doctor Bill

I thought Chemistry was Physics/Electromagnetics?




It could be anything that can blow up in a controlled manner....I was first thinking about H202 and Silver, but 99% pure hydrogen peroxide offers more problems than it solves.




The power output would be greatly affected by the release of energy stored in the fuel, and the mechanical efficiencies would all be subtractions as well. The mechanically efficiencies would be considerably less than the mechanical energy transferred to the pistons/crank shaft in the form of expansion from the combustion of the fuel. Just like a regular "gas" engine, but I'm not seeking the mechanical energy. The true chemical energies of the fuel is considerably greater in this engine because it also includes the shock of the "blast", that forces the field in the "primary" or compression coil to compress. Also a considerable amount of electrons from the "blast" are picked up in the "primary" or compression coil. The energy values of fuels were originally defined by the amount of work they can do in a "mechanical" combustion engine. If you were to somehow to get a hydrocarbon fuel to react atomically it would release an extreme amount of energy....and danger! This isn't an atomic reaction but it is more than a simple chemical/mechanical exchange device. Of course I could be wrong.... but from reading up on E-Bombs it appears that this how they produce their big spikes. The frequency of the energy emitted by the "primary" or compression coil is controlled by the speed of compression, the amount of the blast, the number and type of windings in both coils, the effectiveness of the "pick up" coil, and the electronical values of the load/output.




If you see something that doesn't work please point it out. :D



What do you think....will it work???

It could be anything that can blow up in a controlled manner..hmmmmm How about cem-tex....teasin...your idea is great, just pick a low emissions fuel. now if we can just figure out how to get the wives to empty closets...we all set!!!

Just put it in the garage with everything else>

Hummmmmm...

I did some reading about the EMP "bombs" and one thing that I can think of is that the extremely high wattage outputs from these devices is due to the exceedingly quick spike time of the pulse (nanoseconds or less) since wattage is power over time you will naturally get very high wattage with relatively modest current.

Couple of things to look at:

Can the engine cycle fast enough to generate EMP pulses? I don't know what the oscillation speed of a piston in, say a 357 Chevy is but if anybody knows the throw length then at a given engine RPM you should be able to calculate the oscillation rate.

What would be the cycle rate to get an actual EMP? Is the engine physically strong enough to hold together at this speed? Maybe at 15,000 RPM for example you can get an EMP but your engine is not going to last all that long (and the noise from a V-8 is going to be deafening).

What would be the performance of such an engine under load? What I mean is, the actual performance of a generator has to take the load into consideration. You start making all those electrons do stuff and that is real energy. That energy has to come from somewhere. You can’t just consider impulse wattage. You will have to do a little research on the math for this. I can figure current usage and do load calculations for simple DC circuits but that is certainly not the same as AC.

I’m not trying to say this is not possible or trying to discourage you. When I was in graduate school one of my colleagues got ready to do his final dissertation presentation, part of which involved the design of a rotating sampling apparatus for collection of air samples. He had a couple of years of his time into this project. When he finished the presentation, one of the professors on the board informed him that it wouldn’t work because one of the electrical connections he had designed called for a type of rotating connection that nobody had figured out how to make yet. Most of the rest of us could have figuratively slapped our research advisor for letting the project go on this long with a known flaw in it. Anyway, ask a lot of questions before you put too much time or any money into a project like this.

Doctor Bill

Using high explosives and certain "source" voltages it can really pump out the juice. But with a more controled "blast" and a high voltage/low amperage the primary field should compress nice and induce well to the secondary coil. The secondary coil should have less windings and be of a thicker wire so the voltage/amperage ratio favors the amperage side. High voltage power likes to jump, amperage will stay in a thick wire.




A 4 stroke actually makes 2 revs per fire.
6 cylinder motor @ 7200 rpm / 2 revs per fire = 3600 fires per minute.
3600 / 60 seconds = 60 fires per second.....
60 cycle / 60 hz.
There are 3 cylinders set at 120 degrees and each of those have its opposite set at 60 degrees from it. Each phase fires at 60 hz and there are 3 phases.

Electrical wire works like a tube full of marbles. If you roll a marble into the tube at on end a marble will roll out of the other end. The "free" energy from the blast will induct into the primary, much like the energy from the primary coil will induct into the secondary coil. The shock wave from the "blast" will compress much of the energy in the primary so there will be a large potential for quantum wells for the free electrons from the exploding fuel in the combustion chamber. These free electrons would normally form heat and recombine in the resultant molecules.

The induction will offer no resistance to the pistons because they are not charged. So the mechanical energy will remain the same as a regular "gas" engine. I want to lessen the load to control heat, but with a good supercharger, Ethanol, and NOS injection.......it'll be considerably more powerfull than then an existing "gas" engines that are available now.

Here's a few pictures to visualize what I'm thinking:

http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=energy1.jpg

http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=waveForm.jpg

I didn't answer your question;



The compression of the field current in the primary isn't due to the speed, its do to the energy of the "blast" forcing the field into less space. The void space behind the "blast" is where it'll collect the most "free" energy.

Tom,

I think that for your engine to generate a gigawatt of energy, it would have to somehow violate the first law of thermodynamics (energy is conserved). A V6 would be rated to what? 250 HP at 7200 RPM? That translates into somewhere around 190 kW, not 1 GW.

Now, a very highly charged capacitor can unleash a few gigawatts of energy for a period of a few microseconds. However, capacitors do not generate or otherwise multiply energy; they merely store it and unleash it in a flash.

I think the problem with your device is that the 60 Hz alternating cycle is sinusoidal. That is, if you're sending a gigawatt of energy over a wire, you've got a two gigawatt power for a few milliseconds, and then nothing; if you were to graph the power through a wire with respect to time, you'd get a graph that looked like
P=sin(k*t)+1 (where k is some constant)

Your device, on the other hand, generates a 1 gigawatt flow of energy for a microsecond or two for every cycle, instead of a few miliseconds. So basically, your graph of power is going to look like something that's always at 0, except once every 16.7 milliseconds, you're going to have a burst of 1 gW of energy for something on the order of microseconds. If you remember your course in Physics Mechanics for Technical Majors, Energy=Power*d(Time). Now, if you take the average power (energy divided by time) over the course of 16.7 seconds on both of these graphs, the sinusoidal graph should work out to a gigawatt, and your graph should work out to 190 Kw. Incidentally, a microsecond isn't going to be enough time for electric motors to and lights to respond to the charge of energy.

Capacitors are a means of storing energy and releasing it in a very quick burst. That is, you can put energy in at a rate of a watt for three seconds, and then unleash a burst of 3 MW of energy over the course of a microsecond. They are not a means of generating extra energy.

Maybe there's something I'm missing. Maybe you're somehow drawing energy out of the air, or you have some additional power source besides the fuel going into the engine. However, your design, as I understand it, will not generate 1 gW of energy.

The only possible way you would be able to get near that output were if you used 'Memory' alloys in the set up, both to reduced energy loss when it's moving but also to keep it's shape when it those get going. since from your description, it is not only heat and energy that will build up but just as much the kinetic energy when it begings to run, it musn't diviate to much from your original settings (is hard to say for me since i'm in doubt HOW you are gonna get the setup to run from your desription) 'Memory' alloys is by the way also a excellent way to reduce heat buildup.
Again i'm somewhat in doubt preseisly how you are gonna set it up. but the idea seems sound, if difficoult!

Duh ... I seem to have wandered in here by mistake.

GoIllini,
The GW's aren't going to happen with this motor. I refranced a quote about a E-Bomb by - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Lot of differance between a highly charged primary that gets a huge blast from some high power explosives and this engine. I will say that I can easily get the 250 hp from the mechanical method alone. Compond the energy that is caught in the primary coil from the explosion in the combustion chamber and it'll be maybe another 250 hp. Or 190 kw of energy trapped in the primary coil that would of other wise lost as heat or recombined to form larger molecules in the exaust gas stream. At the time of detonation there is a nice little plasma in the combustion chamber chasing the field in the primary coil, and leaveing a inverse wake in its place. The two coils are merly a transformer that its primary coil is charged with a +, or - high voltage and induced into the secondary coil that has less windings and is a thicker wire. The main idea here is that in the chaotic environment of the colaspeing waves from the detonation of the fuel/air mixture that free electrons from the plasma will induce a energy flow in addition to the flow that is already in the primary coil. The exaust emissions will be cooler and will not re-form complex molecules.

The overly large capacitors are merly to store and even out the wave form...of course a conditioning circuit would be needed to control that.

The engine is pretty much set to run at 7200 rpm which translates to 60 hz 3 phase. The compression of the wave in the primary coil won't see any extreme Power*d(Time). Remeber the "transformer" aka primary and secondary coils are going to be inducing the "seed" power aka field current. Also after the detonation the system will induce a current with the field current.

Energy in the air is usually attached to something, but energy in a plasma can be stolen. This engine is more of a MHD (Magneto-Hydrodynamics) generator using the technology of the flux compression generator.

Real totals I think if I use an oxygenated fuel mixture, forced air induction, and incorperate high perfomance parts I can get 250 hp from the mechanical side + maybe 250 hp from the electical side. (Supercharged Ethanol, NOS injection, exaust heeders.)

Motion = work the wave form I drew in the picture ought to be pretty close to what it'll make. It wont spike, thats from a excellerated huge wave in an e-bomb. This wave will gradually build then drop like a rock in 120th of a second. A nice sine wave has its peak in the center and tapers in and out of a flat line all in 120th of a second.


http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=waveForm.jpg



Alexander38,
The materials for parts of the motor were selected for their ability to conduct electricity and not create a magnetic field. One must over come a magnetic field every time the poles change. {Oxygen Free Copper }
The other material was selected for its high resistivity and heat properties, and the fact that it doesn't magnitize either. { Titanium/Aluminum/Vanadium }

wpshreve,
Maybe it wasn't a mistake...

190 kw / 6 cylinders / 24 hours = 1320 watts a shot???? Thats a lot?????



Another example is those cpu coolers that conduct a small current that creates a flow away from the cpu into the heat sink.....heat is then pulled along along that electron stream.

Glad to see something new for energy production being discussed, and some parts of this one are right down my alley. Wahoo! :D

First, gasoline and alcohol powered engines don't really "blast" their fuels at all. It might not seem like it, but it is actually a somewhat controlled "burn through". It starts at the spark plug slightly before the piston reaches Top Dead Center and takes some small fraction of a second to burn its way to the other end of the fuel air mixture, about the time the piston reaches the other end of the stoke. The burn through takes quite a bit longer than the kind of time most of this discussion has talked about. Some of the fuel is even still burning when it leaves through the exhaust valve, that's where a lot of the inherent inefficiency comes from with internal combustion engines, along with large amounts of waisted heat energy.

So, my first suggestion, to further this discussion, consider starting with a Diesel engine. The combustion of the fuel happens in much more of a sudden "blast" or explosion, which seems to be central to this proposed generator theory. (and is perhaps part of the e-bomb theory, from the very little I know about it) Diesels can't turn nearly as high of RPMs, but I'm not sure that's really critical. The faster a gasoline engine turns, the more fuel it uses. Same for diesels, all engines have peak efficiency ranges, you'll want to stick to that RPM range whatever you use. Probably more important that the engine's RPMs are steady. Diesels also run longer on a gallon of fuel. (and could make use of bio-fuel diesel?)

I would also suggest having the motor turn a typical AC generator. Motors sorta produce potential power, if you don't turn that potential work into something while its spinning anyway, it's a bit of a waist, or you're not taking full advantage of an available power source. (That might already be in your diagrams, I have not looked yet.)

I will look at the diagrams you've drawn the next visit to this site, sleepy by time now. Keep up the good work folks! I can hear the mental gears grinding from here.

Great it would be nice to create a real device that benefited society under a public domain copyright/patent!



Very good point.... I really wonder if the shock wave or the moving force of energy is more beneficial for electrical generation>??? A moving force creates a wave of energy forcing a compression of the feild current in the primary coil, but does the shock it self cause an effect like a mass jump of energy states or something???? I think the plasma is excited already..any more excitement and it'll break all bonds?? What’s after plasma? Free energy and dark matter?????

Yeah a good sized 4 stroke 6 cylinder diesel can effectively operate at 2400 rpm if we drop the 3 phase idea we still get a 60 Hz output. Sense a diesel has an inherently high amount of torque it would make the drive coupling even sweeter. So in a generator scenario an alternator would bolt up nice, I left the drive part out before because I was trying to demonstrate the possibility of using a pick up coil in a cylinder to catch energy normally lost. In a vehicle scenario the output shaft of the mechanical motor connect to a CVT with an electric booster motor from the cylinder coils. The electric booster motor could be an AC frequency controlled stepping motor, or a DC chip controlled polarity stepping motor. I favor the DC motor because speed and intensity will be more variable.

I talked with a diesel mechanic at work today and he suggested carbon fiber rings so not to scar up or damage the dielectric coating on the cylinder coil. Sounds like a good place to start for a research model.

But all in all it looks like Bio Diesel will play a key role in our future. I want to look more into how the nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions are created in a Bio Diesel combustion and see if we can't clean that up as well.

Excuse this one, my mind wanders around sometimes.


Anybody got any input>??? I'm setting on the edge of my chair on this one...could be a foolish idea or it could be a entrance to a efficient new age of machinery.

? I've thought and thought and don't see what you mean. The diesel mechanic at work who I discussed the concept of the Flux compression engine with also first started out by saying that 'Memory' alloys had to be used, but as I continued the explanation he said never mind about the 'Memory' alloys? I asked him why the 'Memory' alloys came to his mind when I first mentioned the idea, and said he wasn't sure.........? I got a gut feeling that there is something to this too.

Perhaps if the primary coil was made of a 'Memory' alloy material, and at the same time was a "P" or "N" material the shock wave would create a massive matrix of quantum wells and the heat would just vacuum up in the primary?? This would create a second spike in the wave form as well as some very interesting wave motion collisions. I see energy wave forms more as a 3d effect not like a 2d wave like on the surface of water. If the "P" or "N" elements were actually bound in the core of a "conductive" and "elastic" 'Memory' alloy the force could actually create a value of its own. And if the material had piezo electric properties maybe the compressive force of a surge could radiate other forms of electro-magnetic energy as well????

I really think this may turn out to be a reactionary mechanical event on an electronical object......... more bang for the bucks.



????? Please reply. Very curious?????

A few new posts. Not sure where to start. I can't tell how much you already know about memory alloys. Memory alloys don't have metal fatigue problems nearly as early as any normal alloy, like the spring steels. As far as the ones I've heard about, they do eventually reach a given number of cycles when they will break (or start to get tweeked out of shape) like anything else. I can't say how they will hold up to the heat inside a motor, and in particular, inside a combustion chamber where its really hot. They don't get hot on their own, just from cycling from position A to position B, and back again, as much as normal alloys. I can't remember how they really spelled it, but if memory serves, it seems like Nightenol has been out there for ten years or so. Bound to be several to choose from now.

Never heard of carbon fiber rings for pistons. Tough to keep up with all the new stuff out there anymore.

I've heard they've been making thermal energy converters, which convert heat directly into electricity, for at least a few years now. I have never had any to play with, but the full patent(s) should have made it into the patent libraries by now. They could scavenge the heat energy in the exhaust and/or the coolant.

If you can find a piezoelectric ceramic material that can hold up to the pressures and temperatures of a combustion chamber, there's some additional potential current from the system. If you can find one that is tough enough, I believe there's a lot more pressure within the diesel combustion chamber, than what you'd get from the more gradual expansion of gasses in a gasoline engine.

I've heard of the e-bomb, but don't really know how it actually works, so I'm not sure how much the fuel burning characteristics would really matter in the long run.

Pulling electricity out of the motor through any workable combination of methods would be the key to true efficiency. You certainly seem to have plenty of determination. That's a good start.

The Short reply is that memory alloys always seeks to return to the shape they had when they were forged, and is much less vulnerable to metal fatigue and temperature expansion, they are for the most part non-magnetic and have a average lifespan of up to x18 times normal alloys when used as springs.(Officially)
They are expensive since they incorporate at least one inert metal like gold, silver, platinium, iridium, or the like.

MIT has a excellent site about alloys (Non-classified) were memory metals as they are called is checked out. Most countries/Corporations dont advetise about it much, since their used in anything from Generators to industrial coil springs is seen as a industrial secrets.

I guess enhancing the energy scavenging coil in the combustion chamber isn't needed until the real facts are revealed pertaining the shock wave/ energy force of the e-bomb effect(s). I guess there is room for advancement in energetic materials though.

I was considering NiTiNOL for valve return springs on the electronic controlled solenoid powered valves. Heat is an issue for something that has an inherent property of thermal deformation. Actually I guess it'll cause the spring to tighten up as the motor warms up, that may be beneficial. Also I would like to use NdFeBo magnets with the valve solenoids and heat is defiantly an issue with these. Anytime you can use a powerful magnet, use it. It's not a free energy, but it doesn't need anymore power then it already has. So to sum it up the memory materials are out of the combustion chamber for now.

Most of the searching I've done on thermal energy converters has returned dissimilar metal thermocouples, heat transfer due to a conductive path (in this case the primary inducing a current into the secondary pulls heat and free electrons in the plasma with it), and some thermo-diodes that sound similar to my P/N idea. If you have a link please share it.

I like the basic concept of the combustion chamber; the graphite rings are something more of a thought rather than an available product. Theory first then materials design.

We got to lose the camshaft. It uses a lot of power via friction; also an electronic control system could do the job better. The electric valves can actually vary the lift and duration on the fly. Fuel/air and forced air can be controlled by this same apparatus. Timing advances can be tweaked beyond human abilities. But rather than a building a completely new controller system I think we should go the route of PC or MAC compatible. With a docking port, fire wire or ether net you could network your laptop to your car, or generator. The parts are already there and the software is quite easy compared to a full featured 3d game. So we drop a lot of mechanical items and replace them with a PC compatible controller, that's two efficiencies in one.

Please share any links you find, I love to read science-faction!

Later I'll start on the electric/mechanical driven cvt transmission ideas I have.

Have not checked out the MIT alloy site, but that's really good to know. I am lucky enough to have an excellent engineering school a little way up the interstate, U of Mo at Rolla. The internet is great, but I don't think its a complete substitute for books yet. If you are close enough to a great school, its often worth a visit.

I have started getting together the pieces needed to take a stab at an original continuously variable transmission design myself. Wanted to build one for years now. I heard Saturn was starting to put one in some of their cars this year, I'd like to see how similar it is to the one in my Civic HX. The Honda unit has a fairly standard torque converter. Even with the torque converter, it has a little room for improvement on initial take off from a stop, but after that is very smooth. Just a brief little hitch in the giddy up at a few mph. Planning on taking a Saturn out for a test drive sometime soon.

Actually I will keep my transmission ideas to myself....10x efficency with a little extra electrical power has got to be worth something in my future. I've studied the Prius Planetary system and never did like the expanding pulley trick but.........

Just an FYI to all here - Beware of the possibility of Hackers when you mention your energy related projects on web sites like this.

No one is going to find any of my current projects on this crash prone, more than 5 year old, piece of crap internet computer. Mentioned because, somebody recently broke into an old garage building on a piece of investment property I own, and for some reason didn't find anything they wanted, but that property is where this computer thinks I live. Its a very low crime rate area. Still donno know what to think about that incident, unlocked Trek bike, several tools, about half a ton of aluminum, gas can full of premium, all right in front of the door, they didn't steal anything! Opened a few large boxes, but didn't make a mess, they even closed the big door that drags badly after ripping the only real handle off it. Very strange. Very glad that none of my recent prototypes were there at the time. Life goes on.

Good luck on your various projects, keep plugging away, and something should eventually pay off for you.