hi: laura flanders on http://airamericaradio.com/ will be focusing again on the investigations going on in ohio and florida.

she's on sat, sun, 7-10 p.m. est

you can listen to it online

or you can check to see if your area has a station (on am)

i'm replying to this again, so everyone gets to see it.

Thanks! Hope this bumps it back up again!

it's starting in about 15 min

she's having lawyers and investigators from ohio on!!!!

thanks for the heads up

it's starting right now

getting ready to start typing in what i hear, for those not able to listen online

should be good.

laura flanders is very knowledgeable about what's been going on

ohio votes will be counted

i lost the signal! it's back....

http://thealliancefordemocracy.org

is the website for the ohio recount

A call to march against the rigged election

and the vast right wing conspiracy.

The vast right wing conspiracy that rigged the election and everything else including the news media is not a myth, exaggeration or figure of speech. Check this out:

http://wholeworldiswatching.blogspot.com /

•A call for massive marches against the rigged election.
•A detailed explanation of the “vast right wing conspiracy,” its structure and funding. What it really is, how it got started, who really controls it and how it coordinates EVERYTHING.
•Actual secret government document is plan to control the whole country. Actual documentary proof of the “vast right wing conspiracy.”
•How the Moonies, Rupert Murdoch, the oil industry, banks and other corporations, news media and other right wing Bush shills rigging the election are all actually tied together into a single secret organization -- the vast right wing conspiracy. It’s not just a vague propensity toward greed. It’s not just a right wing “mindset.” It’s an organization. And if they have denied us the ballot box we need to march in the streets, a First Amendment freedom we still have---

A call for MASSIVE MARCHES IN THE STREETS against the rigged election and the VRWC.

(from du)

"The vast right wing conspiracy" didn't count on it all blowing up in their face...... :o :o :o :o

this is what i heard so far: the dnc IS legally involved in ohio

the dnc has people checking at board of elections

in franklin country the dnc on election day did a law suit; there was an

injunction demanding that the board of elections give alternative means to vote

also: the dnc did a lawsuit in knox county, where kenyon college is located; students' rights were violated by long lines

that suit is still pending in federal court

legal team doing the recount work: http://thealliancefordemocracy.org/


bob, moderator of special public hearing, columbus, ohio, first of 2 hearings in columbus. he noted there were masses of people and what emerged from the hearings was a pattern of voter suppression

blackwell, acc to laura's guest, bob, did everything in his power that people could not vote; he said there were poll challengers, harassing observers; even though voter numbers went up, machines were reduced in number.

there are 92, 000 spoiled ballots, and most of them are from inner city democratic wards

the provisional ballots are also mainly from democratic and inner city wards

bob said some people were told to go to the wrong place to vote

finally, bob noted that blackwell was also the co-chair of b-c reelection committee

Commercial on now, but discussion still on going.

Woman just called in from Philadelpia, stating that she was a poll worker, and she had found out that people were paid to stand in line to make them unbearably long.......

WHAT IS THE DAY OF THE MARCH?

---------->WE NEED TO DO THIS NATIONWIDE!!!

seems liek something is going on!

Allegedly a hacker camp was found in Florida

Today, AfD founder Ronnie Dugger and National Co-Chair Cliff Arnebeck launched the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign during their appearance on Air America Radio. They called for a recount of every vote for President in Ohio.

“America's democracy depends on honest elections,” Ronnie Dugger stated.

“Every vote must be recounted in Ohio and the methods for counting and conveying precinct totals must be checked and rechecked," Cliff Arnebeck announced.

Cliff Arnebeck also exposed the improper contributions by the Ohio Chamber of Commerce to races for the Ohio Supreme Court.

Cliff Arnebeck is a practicing public interest attorney representing the Alliance in litigation against illegal corporate contributions by the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber is now seeking from the Ohio Supreme Court a stay of an enforcement order against it.

Ronnie Dugger wrote the definitive warning essay about the dangers of computerized voting-counting in The New Yorker of November 7, 1988 and again this August issued a warning cry in The Nation, “How They Could Steal the Election This Time.”

Your tax-deductible contributions to the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign will go toward

Raising funds needed for a recount of the votes cast for President in Ohio
Expert investigation of how votes were tallied
Publicly reporting and acting to uphold the rule of law in Ohio and the United States.
Donations can also be mailed to the Alliance national office.

Ohio Honest Elections Campaign
Alliance for Democracy
PO Box 540115
Waltham, MA 02454

Donors will receive acknowledgment of their tax-deductible contribution. A financial report regarding the campaign fund will be provided upon request.\

RE-COUNT, RE-COUNT, RE-COUNT...

Who is setting the day for the National Count our Votes MARCH??? I'm ready to start organizing locally.

Let's try to get one thing straight here...it's NOT the recount that is going to get anyting accomplished...we need to prove that there WAS voter fraud, on any sort of scale...and then push for a complet voidance of the Ohio vote and demand a complete NEW statewide vote..that is the only way to win this thing....what the hell is wrong with our DNC and the rest of those passive clowns...wake up people...this aint ovber yet but you aint doing it right.

Once again there is a door open, when the hell are Democrats going to wake the hell up and step through it....

RIGHT NEM! The re-count will provide one part of the evidence we need to prove voter fraud. THIS IS ALL PART OF THE AUDIT THAT WE NEED!

The other piece of this is to DEMAND a paper trail for future elections!

LET'S ORGANIZE A MASS PROTEST DEMANDING A FULL RE-COUNT/AUDIT OF THE OHIO AND FLORIDA VOTES!

WHY wait until inaug to voice our LEGITIMATE concerns?

segment with ronnie dugger, founder of alliancefordemocracy.org

http://www.airamericaradio.com/shows/lauraflanders/#


in the discussion about florida,ronnie dugger, founder of thealliancefordemocracy.org, mentions dr freeman's report on exit polls (univ of penn);

in ohio: more than a million votes were counted with no paper trail

in one county with 29 precints, 93,000 more votes were counted than registered voters

what needs to be done:
florida and ohio are the primary states for recount

there needs to be an inquiry for all electronic votes w/o paper trail


programmers of computer companies need to be questioned and put under oath

they are aiming not only for a recount but an inquiry

I have an other idea how to get information out of them, however I would not dare to mention it here

Here's the description of today's show:

"What O What O happened in Ohio? A live report from the public hearings in Columbus, on election irregularities and possible violations of the U.S. Voting Rights Act with reporter/moderator from FreePress.org BOB FRITAKIS and CLIFF ARNEBECK, attorney for Common Cause (OHIO) and the Alliance for Democracy and RONNIE DUGGER. Journalist, dj, DAVEY D joins the discussion with AMY KAPLAN from the League of Pissed Off Voters. "


there are 2 losing presidential candidates, cobb and nader, asking for the recount

in ohio

bob fritakis , guest of laura, noted that the hearing was completely packed, kenyon college had 2 voting machines, 1 was broken for 2 hours, many of the students at kenyon voted at 2:00 a.m in the morning.

the testimony of these voters at the columbu shearing today was under oath. one person was fired from the job for waiting too long in the line to vote. some people were in line for 12 hours.

the pattern of voter disenfranchisement, noted fritakis, emerged in democratic counties. there was de liberate attempt, he said, to disenfranchise democratic voters.

in cleveland the massive disenfranchisement happened by voter registrations not doing properly by and wrong information given.

as friakis noted in his article in freepress.org: in cleveland there was new directive from mr blackwell meant to to discard provisional votes; first, people in cleveland were forced to vote with provisional ballots; on top of that there's now an attempt to throw these provisional ballots out, on the basis of technicalities.


here's bob fritakis's article about the problem:
Bob Fitrakis

And so the sorting and discarding of Kerry votes begins
November 10, 2004

Are the provisional ballots in Ohio being thrown out? A new rule for counting provisional ballots in Cuyahoga County, Ohio was implemented on Tuesday, November 9 at approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, according to election observer Victoria Lovegren.

The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be “Rejected” if there is no “date of birth” on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original “Provisional Verification Procedure” from Cuyahoga County which stated “Date of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.” The original procedure required the voter’s name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the county’s database.

Lovegren described the clerks as “kind of disturbed” after the new ruling came down. She said that one of the clerks told her, “This is new. This just came down. They just changed it in the last thirty minutes.” According to Lovegren, 80 yellow-jacketed provisional ballots piled up in the hour and 45 minutes she observed. By Lovegren’s tally, three provisional ballots were rejected because the registered voters’ registration had been “cancelled.” The rest, she said, were being discarded because of no date of birth.

In 2000, an estimated 9% of Ohio’s provisional ballots were rejected and not counted, according to Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. Many election observers are predicting the number will be much higher this year due to directives from Blackwell’s office.

An earlier analysis in the Free Press of the 155,428 unofficial provisional ballots recorded at the Secretary of State’s website found that a clear majority, 85,096, came from the 15 counties Kerry won. An additional 17,038 came from urban Hamilton County, home of Cincinnati, and Wood County, where Bush won with 53% and 53.5% respectively. Traditionally, Hamilton County’s provisional ballots are disproportionately cast in the African American majority wards of the central city and not in the affluent Republican-dominated suburbs. Thus, nearly two-thirds (65.7%), or 102,134, provisional ballots come from areas where the provisional ballots are likely to be pro-Kerry.

The official county-by-county board of elections’ final tally will begin on Saturday, November 13, the 11th day after the election and be completed by the 15th day. Following this canvassing period, 11-15 days after the election, an automatic recount would ensue if the gap between Kerry and Bush narrowed to less than one quarter of one percent, an estimated 16-19,000 votes, depending on how many are actually counted.

During the canvassing, Bush will no doubt lose 3,893 votes from the infamous ward 1B in Gahanna, Ohio where a “computer glitch” counted 4,258 votes for Bush from 638 voters. But it is unlikely that Kerry will draw within the needed automatic recount margin.

At the end of the canvass, candidates including Kerry have five days to apply for a paid recount, according to election attorney Donald McTigue. McTigue served as U.S. representative Dennis Kucinich’s campaign treasurer during the Democratic presidential primaries. The recount would be held within five days, and gives any candidate who applies, Kerry or others, the right to physically inspect the polling place materials including 92,672 ballots that failed to record a vote for President.

Under Ohio law, like Florida law in 2000, the recount can include these ballots, many of them punch cards with the notorious “hanging chads” and optically scanned ballots where marks may have gone slightly astray but a vote for president is clearly evident.

Overseas ballots postmarked by Election Day and late absentees just prior to the election also remain to be counted. During a recount, candidates may also inspect authorizations to vote, to make sure that the machine tallies are in line with the actual votes cast. They also may examine voter registration forms to argue for improperly rejected provisional ballots.

Local boards of elections may amend election results if obvious mistakes are pointed out. It will cost $10 per precinct in Ohio, or an estimated $120,000, to recount the whole state.

The official tallies are due at the Secretary of State’s Office by December 1. The Secretary of State must certify the election under Ohio law by December 3.

U.S. representative Dennis Kucinich complained in an article on CommonDreams.org that “Dirty tricks occurred across the state, including phony letters from Boards of Elections telling people that their registrations through some Democratic activist groups were invalid and that Kerry voters were to report on Wednesday because of massive voter turnout.”

The Free Press, in its November 7 article “None dare call it voter suppression or fraud,” pointed to possible voting anomalies in Miami County, Ohio where nearly 19,000 new ballots appear to have been added after 100% of the precincts had reported. The additional votes were at virtually the exact same ratio as earlier Bush votes, 65.8% for earlier votes and 65.77% for the latter. Kerry’s vote percentage was identical, despite the nearly 19,000 new votes at 33.92%.

Roger Kearney of Rhombus Technologies, Ltd. told the Free Press, “The report you saw the following morning at 9 a.m. was probably either the 60 or 80 percent report.” Kearney’s company is the reporting company for vote results for Miami County; he claims that the problem was not with his reporting and that the additional 19,000 votes came before 100% of the precincts were in.

As for the statistical anomaly that showed virtually identical ratios after the final 20-40% of the vote came in, Kearney offered no explanation and said he merely reports the results given to him.

Miami County reports its votes in 20 percent blocks instead of a continuous running tally. “I watch as Steve Quillen, the Board Director, put floppy disks that he had taken from the tabulating computer and put them into the reporting computer. He did this at about 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100% of the count ... I looked at each of these reports. When the final one came out about midnight, we copied the report file onto my floppy disk. I came home and immediately posted it to the website. The page is still on our website exactly as it was shortly after midnight ... No one had access to this computer but me.”

Kearney told the Free Press that the software used at the Miami County Board of Elections for counting the votes is from Elections Systems & Software (ES&S). The strong Republican ties of ES&S are well established in the public record. (See for example, “Diebold’s political machine” at motherjones.com).

Such statistical anomalies may be examined if Kerry has the courage to demand a recount, or if other candidates who have legal standing to request a recount are curious. McTigue told a gathering of suburban Democrats that Kerry may recount eight counties of interest, and other candidates may recount the rest of Ohio.

Unless the opportunity is seized, more than 100,000 votes will likely go uncounted, and statistical anomalies and “computer glitches” will remain unexamined.

--
Bob Fitrakis is a Professor in the Social and Behavioral Sciences Department at Columbus State Community College. He has a Ph.D in Political Science and a J.D. from The Ohio State University Law School. He is the author of seven books, an investigative reporter, and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (freepress.org). He has won ten major investigative journalism awards including Best Coverage of Politics in Ohio from the Ohio Society of Professional Journalists. He served as an international election observer in the 1994 presidential elections in El Salvador and was the co-author and editor of the report to the United Nations. He served as legal advisor for eight polling locations on Columbus' Near East Side for the Election Protection Coalition.

So what do you think will happen with all of this? It sure seems daming!

I agree. But add KERRY WON!

I wonder about Choppin Broccoli. The last we heard from him was on Nov. 3rd at the Kerry- Edwards forum. He said he feared for his life. I hope he's ok. He was in Columbus , Ohio.

it was great to hear personal testimonies from voters in ohio

there's no doubt these people think their vote was stolen through a variety of techniques.

Florida gets ugly: F.B.I uncovers an underground juvenile hacker school, led by Klock, attorney for Katherine Harris (Rove's aid)




http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ElectionFraud2004/

Well I hope this works. I am accepting that Bush is ummm....well he holds the postion of President because I do realize that this might not alter the course of the election because that fact does remain but I am hoping a recount happens to settle all doubts that either Bush was elected fairly or he wasn't.

I phone banked at Democratic headquarters in Miami County Nov. 2nd. In Castown they ran out of ballots at 4:00. They didn't get more until after 7:00. People told us they went back 3 or 4 times and waited. We sent people out to the polls at closing to keep people in line. This is the first I've heard Miami County mentioned. Our goal for calls on that day was 9000. We made almost 15,000 calls on Nov.2nd.

An all expenses paid trip to Abu Graihb perhaps?

http://truffula.net/~e/rhizosophy/archives/000044.html

there are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS going on at the same time:

1. request for recounts in nh, ohio and florida (nader, cobb and http://blackboxvoting.org)

2. request for a general inquiry into the larger question of voter fraud

I'm sorry I missed this. Does her show replay? Or anybody give an update for those of us who missed it?

They will be aware soon of just how easily the neo cons took their little stealing game in florida....

http://truffula.net/~e/rhizosophy/archives/000044.html

WTF ?!?!?!
:o

Teaching teenagers to steal and cheat! That is the lowest!

You got that right, and using the Diebold tabulator which is the lowest security thing there is, inside of Florida to do it...

if you read this tread, you'll see i give an account of the various segments and everything they talked about...

Seems to me it would be pretty easy for someone to organize a small team to go door to door in just one of the small counties in Florida and simply ask people how they voted. No matter who they voted for there would be no advantage to lying. An exit poll now would be just as telling as an exit poll on November 2nd.

<_<

The mass florida audit already takes phone calls and door messaging into its workings....

this thread, too, has new information about what's going on in ohio and florida...

Is that for real these people were hired to hack? There has to be solid proof before anyone's going to believe it. Repubs already think we are making all this up because the news isn't carrying it.

Would you like to take a look at this?


http://www.baypointschools.com/images_56/040220016.JPG


A server from the main school using wireless card and router.......Pretty large server, isn't it? There's documents tying the perpetrators to the crimes and a traceable IP address route system.....A full audit is an investigation, not a count

Expert analyzes how to hack the vote using a team of hackers in as simple as 1-2-3


http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm


There is also a letter adressed to Bev Harris, now on www.jefffisherforcongress.com but the page has not yet been updated.