Something happened in Broward county. Maybe it was a massive shift in voting patterns, or maybe it was fraud and/or flawed tabulation, but something happened.
I have experimented with various predictive equations in order to graph predicted results against actual results, aiming for the best fit. I factor in registration patterns in 2000 (including third party and "no affiliation" registrations), voting turnout and results in 2000, registration patterns in 2004, turnout in 2004, and decreased votes received by third party candidates in 2004.
My most recent approach predicts the actual results for most smaller counties fairly accurately. That is, the 2004 results in most small counties are consistent with results from 2000.
Larger counties seem to vary more because of large numbers of third party and "no affiliation" registrations. The equation I'm using for these counties is slightly different, and predictions are fairly accurate, but Broward, Palm Beach, and Pinellas still stick out as exceptions apart from the rest. Broward in particular is "way off the map."
First, the punch-line, then I’ll explain the calculation, which admittedly has many assumption built into it.
Here are the predicted and actual increases in vote totals from 2000 to 2004 for Broward county:
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Net Gain: Kerry 91,606
Actual Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Actual Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Net Gain: Bush 1,140
Bush’s actual increase was 65,797. This would be as if the entire decrease in votes for third party candidates (1,221), and the entire projected turnout for newly registered third party registrants (66.57% * 76,211 = 50,734), went to Bush, and that’s only 51,955.
Here are the calculations for Broward county:
Start with voting and registration patterns in 2000
2000 Registration
Democrat: 456,789, 51.5%
Republican: 266,829, 30.1%
Other: 164,146, 18.5%
Total: 887,764
2000 Voting
Gore: 387,703, 67.4%
Bush: 177,902, 30.9%
Other: 9,538, 1.7%
Total: 575,143
Turnout: 64.79%
Consider the net gains from relative turnout and/or “cross over” votes (voters who voted differently than their registration). For Gore, for example, it would be calculated like this: (Votes for Gore) - (%Turnout * Registered Democrats)
Gore Net Gains: 91,770
Bush Net Gains: 5,035
Now consider each candidate’s net gains as a percentage of total net gains: for example, (Gore Net Gains) / (Gore Net Gains + Bush Net Gains)
% Net Gains Gore: 94.80%
% Net Gains Bush: 5.20%
Now look at the registration patterns for 2004
Democrat: 533,976 (up 77,187 from 2000), 50.5%
Republican: 283,736 (up 16,907 from 2000), 26.8%
Other: 240,357 (up 76,211 from 2000), 22.7%
Let’s say we know the %Turnout for 2004 and the number of votes received by third party candidates:
Turnout: 66.57%
Votes Other: 8,317 (down 1,221 from 2000)
Assuming that Bush and Kerry benefit equally from decreased votes for third party candidates, and assuming that the % Net Gains for each candidate are the same as what they were in 2000, we would predict the following:
Predicted Net Gains Kerry: 143,256
Predicted Net Gains Bush: 8,437
Predicted Total Kerry: 498,733, 70.8%
Predicted Total Bush: 197,326, 28.0%
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Notice that Kerry’s predicted total is 70.8% of total votes, whereas Gore’s was 67.4%. This is primarily because turnout increased 1.7% in a county where 50.5% of registered voters are registered Democrat (down 1% from 2000), whereas only 26.8% are registered Republican (down 3.3% from 2000). The secondary reason Kerry’s percentage is higher than Gore’s is that votes for third party candidates decreased.
Now look at the actual results from 2004:
Net Gains Kerry: 96,882
Net Gains Bush: 54,811
Total Kerry: 452,360, 64.2%
Total Bush: 243,699, 34.6%
Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Notice that Kerry’s percentage of the total vote is only 64.2%, down 3.2% from Gore’s 67.4%.
Compare the Net Gains and % Net Gains from 2000 and 2004
Gore Net Gains: 91,770
Bush Net Gains: 5,035
% Net Gains Gore: 94.80%
% Net Gains Bush: 5.20%
Net Gains Kerry: 96,882
Net Gains Bush: 54,811
% Net Gains Kerry: 63.87%
% Net Gains Bush: 36.13%
Compare the predicted and actual increases in vote totals from 2000 to 2004
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Net Gain: Kerry 91,606
Actual Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Actual Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Net Gain: Bush 1,140
Bush’s actual increase was 65,797. This would be as if the entire decrease in votes for third party candidates (1,221), and the entire projected turnout for newly registered third party registrants (66.57% * 76,211 = 50,734), went to Bush, and that’s only 51,955.
Palm Beach and Pinellas counties also depart significantly from predictions using the same method. Broward, Palm Beach, and Pinellas have very high numbers of registered voters (above 500,000) and high percentages of third party and "no affiliation" registrations (above 22.0%). However, Miami Dade, Hillsborough, and Orange have the same features and depart from predictions much less.
Broward: 1,058,000 registered, 22.7% in third parties
Palm Beach: 730,000 registered, 22.9% in third parties
Pinellas: 591,000 registered, 23.0% in third parties
Miami Dade:1,058,000 registered, 22.4% in third parties
Hillsborough: 621,000 registered, 23.3% in third parties
Orange: 532,000 registered, 24.7% in third parties
Interestingly, Hillsborough is the only county of these six in which Bush’s predicted increase in from 2000 is greater than Kerry’s predicted increase, and the actual results match the predicted results almost exactly.
Brevard and Hernando are medium-sized counties that seem to stick out most as exceptions. Both counties have relatively high % of third party registrations. Both counties have fewer registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but Hernando is close to even. Hernando departs a bit further than Brevard from predicted results. Given Hernando’s smaller size, and given that Hernando switched from Gore in 2000 to Bush in 2004, Hernando seems to be more exceptional.
But let's start with Broward. What happened in Broward county? Anyone?
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Either 90% of democratic registrations crossed over to Bush in op scan/e-voting counties or something even more crazy happened given that, by florida's own spreadsheets, there is more casted votes for Bush than all independant or otherwise voters in the whole county....
QUOTE(Activisms @ Nov 13 2004, 04:47 PM)
Either 90% of democratic registrations crossed over to Bush in op scan/e-voting counties or something even more crazy happened given that, by florida's own spreadsheets, there is more casted votes for Bush than all independant or otherwise voters in the whole county....
I don't think you're correct about the smaller op-scan counties. As I said in my first message: "My most recent approach predicts the actual results for most smaller counties fairly accurately. That is, the 2004 results in most small counties are consistent with results from 2000."
That's why I raised the questions about Broward, which departs significantly from a predictive model that works fairly well for most counties in Florida.
QUOTE(BNW @ Nov 13 2004, 07:10 PM)
I don't think you're correct about the smaller op-scan counties. As I said in my first message: "My most recent approach predicts the actual results for most smaller counties fairly accurately. That is, the 2004 results in most small counties are consistent with results from 2000."
That's why I raised the questions about Broward, which departs significantly from a predictive model that works fairly well for most counties in Florida.
That's why I raised the questions about Broward, which departs significantly from a predictive model that works fairly well for most counties in Florida.
This article whole heartedly disagrees:
http://www.redefeatbush.com/modules.php?na...article&sid=284
Since all of them are op-scan counties, the obvious answer is the florida audit....
QUOTE(BNW @ Nov 13 2004, 06:35 PM)
Something happened in Broward county. Maybe it was a massive shift in voting patterns, or maybe it was fraud and/or flawed tabulation, but something happened.
I have experimented with various predictive equations in order to graph predicted results against actual results, aiming for the best fit. I factor in registration patterns in 2000 (including third party and "no affiliation" registrations), voting turnout and results in 2000, registration patterns in 2004, turnout in 2004, and decreased votes received by third party candidates in 2004.
My most recent approach predicts the actual results for most smaller counties fairly accurately. That is, the 2004 results in most small counties are consistent with results from 2000.
Larger counties seem to vary more because of large numbers of third party and "no affiliation" registrations. The equation I'm using for these counties is slightly different, and predictions are fairly accurate, but Broward, Palm Beach, and Pinellas still stick out as exceptions apart from the rest. Broward in particular is "way off the map."
First, the punch-line, then I’ll explain the calculation, which admittedly has many assumption built into it.
Here are the predicted and actual increases in vote totals from 2000 to 2004 for Broward county:
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Net Gain: Kerry 91,606
Actual Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Actual Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Net Gain: Bush 1,140
Bush’s actual increase was 65,797. This would be as if the entire decrease in votes for third party candidates (1,221), and the entire projected turnout for newly registered third party registrants (66.57% * 76,211 = 50,734), went to Bush, and that’s only 51,955.
Here are the calculations for Broward county:
Start with voting and registration patterns in 2000
2000 Registration
Democrat: 456,789, 51.5%
Republican: 266,829, 30.1%
Other: 164,146, 18.5%
Total: 887,764
2000 Voting
Gore: 387,703, 67.4%
Bush: 177,902, 30.9%
Other: 9,538, 1.7%
Total: 575,143
Turnout: 64.79%
Consider the net gains from relative turnout and/or “cross over” votes (voters who voted differently than their registration). For Gore, for example, it would be calculated like this: (Votes for Gore) - (%Turnout * Registered Democrats)
Gore Net Gains: 91,770
Bush Net Gains: 5,035
Now consider each candidate’s net gains as a percentage of total net gains: for example, (Gore Net Gains) / (Gore Net Gains + Bush Net Gains)
% Net Gains Gore: 94.80%
% Net Gains Bush: 5.20%
Now look at the registration patterns for 2004
Democrat: 533,976 (up 77,187 from 2000), 50.5%
Republican: 283,736 (up 16,907 from 2000), 26.8%
Other: 240,357 (up 76,211 from 2000), 22.7%
Let’s say we know the %Turnout for 2004 and the number of votes received by third party candidates:
Turnout: 66.57%
Votes Other: 8,317 (down 1,221 from 2000)
Assuming that Bush and Kerry benefit equally from decreased votes for third party candidates, and assuming that the % Net Gains for each candidate are the same as what they were in 2000, we would predict the following:
Predicted Net Gains Kerry: 143,256
Predicted Net Gains Bush: 8,437
Predicted Total Kerry: 498,733, 70.8%
Predicted Total Bush: 197,326, 28.0%
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Notice that Kerry’s predicted total is 70.8% of total votes, whereas Gore’s was 67.4%. This is primarily because turnout increased 1.7% in a county where 50.5% of registered voters are registered Democrat (down 1% from 2000), whereas only 26.8% are registered Republican (down 3.3% from 2000). The secondary reason Kerry’s percentage is higher than Gore’s is that votes for third party candidates decreased.
Now look at the actual results from 2004:
Net Gains Kerry: 96,882
Net Gains Bush: 54,811
Total Kerry: 452,360, 64.2%
Total Bush: 243,699, 34.6%
Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Notice that Kerry’s percentage of the total vote is only 64.2%, down 3.2% from Gore’s 67.4%.
Compare the Net Gains and % Net Gains from 2000 and 2004
Gore Net Gains: 91,770
Bush Net Gains: 5,035
% Net Gains Gore: 94.80%
% Net Gains Bush: 5.20%
Net Gains Kerry: 96,882
Net Gains Bush: 54,811
% Net Gains Kerry: 63.87%
% Net Gains Bush: 36.13%
Compare the predicted and actual increases in vote totals from 2000 to 2004
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Net Gain: Kerry 91,606
Actual Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Actual Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Net Gain: Bush 1,140
Bush’s actual increase was 65,797. This would be as if the entire decrease in votes for third party candidates (1,221), and the entire projected turnout for newly registered third party registrants (66.57% * 76,211 = 50,734), went to Bush, and that’s only 51,955.
Palm Beach and Pinellas counties also depart significantly from predictions using the same method. Broward, Palm Beach, and Pinellas have very high numbers of registered voters (above 500,000) and high percentages of third party and "no affiliation" registrations (above 22.0%). However, Miami Dade, Hillsborough, and Orange have the same features and depart from predictions much less.
Broward: 1,058,000 registered, 22.7% in third parties
Palm Beach: 730,000 registered, 22.9% in third parties
Pinellas: 591,000 registered, 23.0% in third parties
Miami Dade:1,058,000 registered, 22.4% in third parties
Hillsborough: 621,000 registered, 23.3% in third parties
Orange: 532,000 registered, 24.7% in third parties
Interestingly, Hillsborough is the only county of these six in which Bush’s predicted increase in from 2000 is greater than Kerry’s predicted increase, and the actual results match the predicted results almost exactly.
Brevard and Hernando are medium-sized counties that seem to stick out most as exceptions. Both counties have relatively high % of third party registrations. Both counties have fewer registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but Hernando is close to even. Hernando departs a bit further than Brevard from predicted results. Given Hernando’s smaller size, and given that Hernando switched from Gore in 2000 to Bush in 2004, Hernando seems to be more exceptional.
But let's start with Broward. What happened in Broward county? Anyone?
I have experimented with various predictive equations in order to graph predicted results against actual results, aiming for the best fit. I factor in registration patterns in 2000 (including third party and "no affiliation" registrations), voting turnout and results in 2000, registration patterns in 2004, turnout in 2004, and decreased votes received by third party candidates in 2004.
My most recent approach predicts the actual results for most smaller counties fairly accurately. That is, the 2004 results in most small counties are consistent with results from 2000.
Larger counties seem to vary more because of large numbers of third party and "no affiliation" registrations. The equation I'm using for these counties is slightly different, and predictions are fairly accurate, but Broward, Palm Beach, and Pinellas still stick out as exceptions apart from the rest. Broward in particular is "way off the map."
First, the punch-line, then I’ll explain the calculation, which admittedly has many assumption built into it.
Here are the predicted and actual increases in vote totals from 2000 to 2004 for Broward county:
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Net Gain: Kerry 91,606
Actual Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Actual Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Net Gain: Bush 1,140
Bush’s actual increase was 65,797. This would be as if the entire decrease in votes for third party candidates (1,221), and the entire projected turnout for newly registered third party registrants (66.57% * 76,211 = 50,734), went to Bush, and that’s only 51,955.
Here are the calculations for Broward county:
Start with voting and registration patterns in 2000
2000 Registration
Democrat: 456,789, 51.5%
Republican: 266,829, 30.1%
Other: 164,146, 18.5%
Total: 887,764
2000 Voting
Gore: 387,703, 67.4%
Bush: 177,902, 30.9%
Other: 9,538, 1.7%
Total: 575,143
Turnout: 64.79%
Consider the net gains from relative turnout and/or “cross over” votes (voters who voted differently than their registration). For Gore, for example, it would be calculated like this: (Votes for Gore) - (%Turnout * Registered Democrats)
Gore Net Gains: 91,770
Bush Net Gains: 5,035
Now consider each candidate’s net gains as a percentage of total net gains: for example, (Gore Net Gains) / (Gore Net Gains + Bush Net Gains)
% Net Gains Gore: 94.80%
% Net Gains Bush: 5.20%
Now look at the registration patterns for 2004
Democrat: 533,976 (up 77,187 from 2000), 50.5%
Republican: 283,736 (up 16,907 from 2000), 26.8%
Other: 240,357 (up 76,211 from 2000), 22.7%
Let’s say we know the %Turnout for 2004 and the number of votes received by third party candidates:
Turnout: 66.57%
Votes Other: 8,317 (down 1,221 from 2000)
Assuming that Bush and Kerry benefit equally from decreased votes for third party candidates, and assuming that the % Net Gains for each candidate are the same as what they were in 2000, we would predict the following:
Predicted Net Gains Kerry: 143,256
Predicted Net Gains Bush: 8,437
Predicted Total Kerry: 498,733, 70.8%
Predicted Total Bush: 197,326, 28.0%
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Notice that Kerry’s predicted total is 70.8% of total votes, whereas Gore’s was 67.4%. This is primarily because turnout increased 1.7% in a county where 50.5% of registered voters are registered Democrat (down 1% from 2000), whereas only 26.8% are registered Republican (down 3.3% from 2000). The secondary reason Kerry’s percentage is higher than Gore’s is that votes for third party candidates decreased.
Now look at the actual results from 2004:
Net Gains Kerry: 96,882
Net Gains Bush: 54,811
Total Kerry: 452,360, 64.2%
Total Bush: 243,699, 34.6%
Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Notice that Kerry’s percentage of the total vote is only 64.2%, down 3.2% from Gore’s 67.4%.
Compare the Net Gains and % Net Gains from 2000 and 2004
Gore Net Gains: 91,770
Bush Net Gains: 5,035
% Net Gains Gore: 94.80%
% Net Gains Bush: 5.20%
Net Gains Kerry: 96,882
Net Gains Bush: 54,811
% Net Gains Kerry: 63.87%
% Net Gains Bush: 36.13%
Compare the predicted and actual increases in vote totals from 2000 to 2004
Predicted Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 111,030
Predicted Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 19,424
Net Gain: Kerry 91,606
Actual Increase from Gore Total to Kerry Total: 64,657
Actual Increase from Bush2000 to Bush2004: 65,797
Net Gain: Bush 1,140
Bush’s actual increase was 65,797. This would be as if the entire decrease in votes for third party candidates (1,221), and the entire projected turnout for newly registered third party registrants (66.57% * 76,211 = 50,734), went to Bush, and that’s only 51,955.
Palm Beach and Pinellas counties also depart significantly from predictions using the same method. Broward, Palm Beach, and Pinellas have very high numbers of registered voters (above 500,000) and high percentages of third party and "no affiliation" registrations (above 22.0%). However, Miami Dade, Hillsborough, and Orange have the same features and depart from predictions much less.
Broward: 1,058,000 registered, 22.7% in third parties
Palm Beach: 730,000 registered, 22.9% in third parties
Pinellas: 591,000 registered, 23.0% in third parties
Miami Dade:1,058,000 registered, 22.4% in third parties
Hillsborough: 621,000 registered, 23.3% in third parties
Orange: 532,000 registered, 24.7% in third parties
Interestingly, Hillsborough is the only county of these six in which Bush’s predicted increase in from 2000 is greater than Kerry’s predicted increase, and the actual results match the predicted results almost exactly.
Brevard and Hernando are medium-sized counties that seem to stick out most as exceptions. Both counties have relatively high % of third party registrations. Both counties have fewer registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but Hernando is close to even. Hernando departs a bit further than Brevard from predicted results. Given Hernando’s smaller size, and given that Hernando switched from Gore in 2000 to Bush in 2004, Hernando seems to be more exceptional.
But let's start with Broward. What happened in Broward county? Anyone?
I live in Broward County, which is mostly Democrate.....I don't remember the numbers but Kerry won very easy in this County
QUOTE(Activisms @ Nov 13 2004, 05:16 PM)
This article whole heartedly disagrees:
http://www.redefeatbush.com/modules.php?na...article&sid=284
Since all of them are op-scan counties, the obvious answer is the florida audit....
http://www.redefeatbush.com/modules.php?na...article&sid=284
Since all of them are op-scan counties, the obvious answer is the florida audit....
Let me put it this way. My results do not rule out fraud in smaller op-scan counties. But if there was fraud in those counties, it was done in a way to make the results relatively consistent with the 2000 results. Yes, quite a few registered Dems in those counties seem to have voted for Bush, but the same was true in 2000.
But the Broward results aren't even consistent with the 2000 results. You can make a better case for irregularity in Broward, and if fraud happened, it's going to be more obvious there.
More on the broward county scandal: Jeff Fisher uncovered an underground juvenile hacker group led by Katherine Harris's attorney
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ElectionFraud2004/
http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ElectionFraud2004/
http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com
QUOTE(mistral @ Nov 13 2004, 05:26 PM)
I live in Broward County, which is mostly Democrate.....I don't remember the numbers but Kerry won very easy in this County
Yes, I know Kerry won Broward, but on my model he should have won it by about 90,000 more votes than he did. Please read my initial post.
QUOTE(BNW @ Nov 13 2004, 07:33 PM)
Yes, I know Kerry won Broward, but on my model he should have won it by about 90,000 more votes than he did. Please read my initial post.
BNW, this is an excellent piece of work. Are you bringing it to the attention of those persons who are working most directly on challenging the legitimacy of the Florida results? Please do!
More official funny business all in Florida....Dixe country
"1996 vote counts
Baker County
1996
Dole – 3,684 took 61.8% of vote between them
Clinton – 2,273 took 38.1% of vote between them
2004
Bush – 7, 738 took 78.0% of vote between them
Kerry – 2,180 took 21.9% of vote between them
A 17.2% swing to Repubs
Dixie County
1996
Dole – 1,398 took 44.6% of vote between them
Clinton – 1,731 took 55.3% of vote between them
2004
Bush – 4,434 took 69.3% of vote between them
Kerry – 1,960 took 30.6% of vote between them
A 24.7% swing to Repubs
Franklin County
1996
Dole – 1,563 took 42.7% of vote between them
Clinton – 2,095 took 57.2% of the vote between them
2004
Bush – 3,472 took 59.1% of vote between them
Kerry – 2,401 took 40.9% of vote between them
A 16.4% swing to Repubs
Holmes County
1996
Dole – 3,248 took 58.4% of vote between them
Clinton – 2,310 took 41.5% of vote between them
2004
Bush –6,412 took 78.0% of vote between them
Kerry – 1,810 took 22.0% of vote between them
A 19.6% swing to Repubs
In the four counties mentioned, Clinton took Franklin County and Dixie County comfortably, and lost in Baker and Holmes County. So two went for Dole and two went for Clinton. In 2004 all four of these counties went for Bush.
The swings were all over 15% of the votes. A dramatic shift from the "Dixiecrat" voting tendencies in 1996 and 2004."
http://tinypic.com/ljevd
That's quite the swing, in all those counties to all of a sudden be pure republican....
"1996 vote counts
Baker County
1996
Dole – 3,684 took 61.8% of vote between them
Clinton – 2,273 took 38.1% of vote between them
2004
Bush – 7, 738 took 78.0% of vote between them
Kerry – 2,180 took 21.9% of vote between them
A 17.2% swing to Repubs
Dixie County
1996
Dole – 1,398 took 44.6% of vote between them
Clinton – 1,731 took 55.3% of vote between them
2004
Bush – 4,434 took 69.3% of vote between them
Kerry – 1,960 took 30.6% of vote between them
A 24.7% swing to Repubs
Franklin County
1996
Dole – 1,563 took 42.7% of vote between them
Clinton – 2,095 took 57.2% of the vote between them
2004
Bush – 3,472 took 59.1% of vote between them
Kerry – 2,401 took 40.9% of vote between them
A 16.4% swing to Repubs
Holmes County
1996
Dole – 3,248 took 58.4% of vote between them
Clinton – 2,310 took 41.5% of vote between them
2004
Bush –6,412 took 78.0% of vote between them
Kerry – 1,810 took 22.0% of vote between them
A 19.6% swing to Repubs
In the four counties mentioned, Clinton took Franklin County and Dixie County comfortably, and lost in Baker and Holmes County. So two went for Dole and two went for Clinton. In 2004 all four of these counties went for Bush.
The swings were all over 15% of the votes. A dramatic shift from the "Dixiecrat" voting tendencies in 1996 and 2004."
http://tinypic.com/ljevd
That's quite the swing, in all those counties to all of a sudden be pure republican....
Sorry man, I'm getting a headache looking at all of this. I will copy it and look at it tommorow. I just need a day of no new numbers.
Does anyone know where the Jewish population resides? I saw on the news before the election, many that had voted for Gore were voting for Bush due to Isreal. Could this be a possibility in Broward county?
QUOTE(BNW @ Nov 13 2004, 06:35 PM)
Something happened in Broward county. Maybe it was a massive shift in voting patterns, or maybe it was fraud and/or flawed tabulation, but something happened
But let's start with Broward. What happened in Broward county? Anyone?
But let's start with Broward. What happened in Broward county? Anyone?
Great catch!!!!!
QUOTE(wliberty @ Nov 14 2004, 12:38 AM)
Does anyone know where the Jewish population resides? I saw on the news before the election, many that had voted for Gore were voting for Bush due to Isreal. Could this be a possibility in Broward county?
Not in FL!!!
Bush's attempt to block seniors from buying cheaper meds from Canada and his recession didn't sit well with the older jews.
Besides, not all Jews are behind Sharon and his Likud party...
an interesting post about broward county from blackboxvoting...
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The precinct where I was working, 14W in Miramar, Florida, only allowed the certified Poll Watcher to view the count of the vote. She recorded the serial number of the machines and one had erased some votes. I have a brief summary of what she gave me, there were 887 receipts (poll workers gave them to voters when they signed in) 882 signatures (sign in) and 35 provisional ballots given out. In Broward County Florida, they redid the precincts and they did not notify the voters, so when the voters showed up at their usual precinct, they were not on the rolls, and were told to go to their new precinct, they did not find this out until they got inside. Some precincts knew where to send the voters but most did not so many voters went around to 4 or 5 different places. Some people who got the precinct close to 7 PM and were told to go to another precinct were not going to make there on time. They were also giving out too many provisional ballots without knowing the precinct of the voters, so these votes won't count if they are in the wrong precinct.
In Broward County, the computer scanner for the absentee ballots crashed and they have to be counted by hand.
Of course, we also don't know how many of the absentee ballots actually made it to the dept. of elections.
Please let me know if there is anything else that you may need. I will notify you of any other irregularities that I learn about.
In Broward County, the computer scanner for the absentee ballots crashed and they have to be counted by hand.
Of course, we also don't know how many of the absentee ballots actually made it to the dept. of elections.
Please let me know if there is anything else that you may need. I will notify you of any other irregularities that I learn about.
Has there been any "new info" on either front, the Jeff Fisher/FBI or the underground juve group? Are those stories being aggressively persued by the long arm of the law or investigative reporters??????
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