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PrdAmerican
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

I felt like posting this as Fallujah is getting lower and lower on national news coverage......Anyone else find it disturbing that our Govt. is reverting back to body counts of the enemy?? As if the higher the number, the more we should believe we are "winning"? sad.gif
lawnorder
QUOTE(PrdAmerican @ Nov 14 2004, 12:42 AM)
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

I felt like posting this as Fallujah is getting lower and lower on national news coverage......Anyone else find it disturbing that our Govt. is reverting back to body counts of the enemy?? As if the higher the number, the more we should believe we are "winning"?  sad.gif
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She's great, isn't she ? smile.gif
jessiegirl
yeah, you know what is really weird too.

We gave fallujah a week notice. So the insurgents left and went to Baghdad and Ramalya(sp?) so then we pull our troops out of baghdad and ramalya and send them to fallujah. Now the insurgents are controlling Baghdad and ramalya. So you see this is never going to work. It has become a yo yo. When is Bush going to realize this is not working and we need a new plan.
Jothika
I am glad that these stories can be seen somewhere. God knows our media wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.

Thank you, ProudA. smile.gif
PrdAmerican
QUOTE(jessiegirl @ Nov 13 2004, 11:48 PM)
yeah, you know what is really weird too.

We gave fallujah a week notice. So the insurgents left and went to Baghdad and Ramalya(sp?) so then we pull our troops out of baghdad and ramalya and send them to fallujah. Now the insurgents are controlling Baghdad and ramalya. So you see this is never going to work. It has become a yo yo. When is Bush going to realize this is not working and we need a new plan.
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Hell, I give Bush til February to announce a draft...... <_<
Jothika
QUOTE(river @ 10:35 PM)
You can protest, you can demonstrate, you can vote- but it ends there.


I am ashamed.
DWB04
QUOTE(PrdAmerican @ Nov 13 2004, 11:42 PM)
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

I felt like posting this as Fallujah is getting lower and lower on national news coverage......Anyone else find it disturbing that our Govt. is reverting back to body counts of the enemy?? As if the higher the number, the more we should believe we are "winning"?  sad.gif
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some sort of political inverse square law ....but still obscene
lawnorder
QUOTE(lawnorder @ Nov 14 2004, 12:44 AM)
She's great, isn't she ?  smile.gif
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Baghdad Burning writes: "They say the people have nothing to eat. No produce is going into the city and the water has been cut off for days and days. Do you know what it's like to have no clean water???  Families are burying children and parents in the gardens of their homes.


Try those too

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Iraq Raed from "Where's Raed" fame  link

Mission Accomplished: Take Two
The military operation to regain control of Fallujah has ended and there are just "malignant" pockets of resistance left to clear up, with more than 1,000 rebels killed, Iraq's national security advisor said.

I thought Falluja itself is a small "malignant" pocket. Or these are the pockets inside the pocket? just like the Cluster Bombs used there?

The Iraqi version of Condi said
"Operation Fajr (Dawn) has been achieved and only the malignant pockets remain that we are dealing with through a clean-up operation
In Fallujah, four US helicopters were hit by gunfire this morning, despite of the "mission-accomplished-bush-style" that was announced.

Further south, the holy Shia city of Najaf joined an ever-growing list of cities -- at least six -- across the country to be put under curfew, while Baghdad's international airport was closed indefinitely to commercial flights.

further north, news are speaking about a bigger withdrawal for the US forces from Mosul. Fighters from the city are "doing patrols to protect banks and shops from looters. They are guarding hospitals, schools and fire stations", yet they didn't protect the abandoned US base in the city after the US army left it Other news confirmed that the US base, a former presidential palace, is being looted by local citizens..

Street fighting continued in the downtown of Baghdad, and the other districts in west, middle, and south Baghdad... in a continued offensive against Sunni leaders, the US army attacked and captured the center of the AMS (Association of Muslim Scholars), and arrested another three Sunni clerics.

Looting in an abandoned US base ? I hope THIS TIME they remembered to take out the ammo before they left... - law

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A Family in Baghdad link
Last evening I was tired, and strained, when an American Radio Station called me in the evening, and asked me about the Iraqi's opinion in the American elections, does it concern them? I said: Of course it concerns them� - And what are the people's viewpoints?? That was a difficult question, but I like truthfulness and honesty more that anything else. The Iraqi street is divided, like the American street( and that supports the theory that all humans are alike), some consider that Bush is better, in spite of all his faults and mistakes� (�listen, I'll stop for a while, there is a big explosion that smashed the glass of my windows again, ... oh, my GOD!)
I hear helicopter planes thundering in the sky…and the sound of the Iraqi Police car’s sirens…in a few hours we shall understand what exactly happened?

I shall go to work….and write later when I get back home, that is, IF I remained alive, huh..
CrowNotAngelGRL
It's so sad. sad.gif

QUOTE(PrdAmerican @ Nov 14 2004, 01:42 AM)
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

I felt like posting this as Fallujah is getting lower and lower on national news coverage......Anyone else find it disturbing that our Govt. is reverting back to body counts of the enemy?? As if the higher the number, the more we should believe we are "winning"?  sad.gif
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Jothika
QUOTE(river @ 3:06 PM)
I prepared myself for several minutes of nausea as Bush began speaking. He irritates me like no one else can. Imagine long nails across a chalk board, Styrofoam being rubbed in hands, shrieking babies, barking dogs, grinding teeth, dripping faucets, honking horns – all together, all at once – and you will imagine the impact his voice has on my ears.


I couldn't have expressed it more eloquently myself. lol.gif
Activisms
This is pathetic, those that support this wake up and smell the coffee. Live in reality instead of denial. This is criminal genocide, showing the USA is just worse off than everyone else....We are much, much worse off.....Smell it, breathe it, and choke it in.
Flustered_NW
QUOTE(PrdAmerican @ Nov 13 2004, 11:42 PM)
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

I felt like posting this as Fallujah is getting lower and lower on national news coverage......Anyone else find it disturbing that our Govt. is reverting back to body counts of the enemy?? As if the higher the number, the more we should believe we are "winning"?  sad.gif
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Like many opinions Riverbend has her own viewpoint. Her viewpoint being that of a well off Sunni that has suddenly found the balance of power shifted to the Kurds and Shia. Riverbend is definitely an anti-American blogger and tends to skew things that direction. She is good for an alternative view to what is going on, but I wouldn't use her as your sole source of information of what's going on in Iraq.

I've found Iraq the Model and Healing Iraq to be a little more 'fair and balanced' than Riverbend. Riverbend, quite appropriately, uses her blog to vent her frustrations about what is going on around her and her tone and the 'creative license' she uses reflects that. Healing Iraq and Iraq the Model try to present events as unbiased as they can and then input their opinons to those events separately.

Omar (Iraq the Model) and Zeyad (Healing Iraq) both have entries about conditions in Baghdad. Neither one exactly rosey, but not quite as bad as Riverbend's view.wink.gif
lengould
(in referring to the insurgents in an early post) <snip>...and they will concentrate their operations in the coming two months in an attempt to affect the course of the American elections.<snip>

These two alternate blogs are also a useful point of view, but you need to be aware that these views no doubt represent a heavily American military / reconstruction supported view, which means you need to be aware of the likelihood of a certain viewpoint. Seems too convenient that they "happened to be out of the country" during the most recent offensive in Falluja, and the clear bias against the Arabic equivalent of CNN will certainly locate these two well to the right of the average Iraqi I would expect.
lawnorder
QUOTE(lengould @ Nov 16 2004, 11:07 PM)
These two alternate blogs are also a useful point of view, but you need to be aware that these views no doubt represent a heavily American military / reconstruction supported view, which means you need to be aware of the likelihood of a certain viewpoint.  Seems too convenient that they "happened to be out of the country" during the most recent offensive in Falluja, and the clear bias against the Arabic equivalent of CNN will certainly locate these two well to the right of the average Iraqi I would expect.
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Yeah!

Raed in the middle and A Family in Baghdad are the "neutral", slightly left blogs I recommend. They are not anti-military per se, but deplore the chaos Bush brought to Iraq.
Flustered_NW
QUOTE(lengould @ Nov 16 2004, 10:07 PM)
(in referring to the insurgents in an early post) <snip>...and they will concentrate their operations in the coming two months in an attempt to affect the course of the American elections.<snip>

These two alternate blogs are also a useful point of view, but you need to be aware that these views no doubt represent a heavily American military / reconstruction supported view, which means you need to be aware of the likelihood of a certain viewpoint.  Seems too convenient that they "happened to be out of the country" during the most recent offensive in Falluja, and the clear bias against the Arabic equivalent of CNN will certainly locate these two well to the right of the average Iraqi I would expect.
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Both are anti-insurgent, yes.wink.gif Neither are exactly thrilled with the coverage of Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya, yes. smile.gif But to say they are to the right of most Iraqis isn't true. They are more in line with the mainstream Shia view (Mohammad, Omar, and Ali are Shia, Zeyad is Sunni), which is the majority in Iraq. It's Riverbend that's outside the norms, but only because she uses her blog to vent. wink.gif

Calling them American military/reconstruction supported is also incorrect. Like most Iraqis they are glad that Saddam is gone, are generally glad the 'Coalition' is there, but are not pleased with the security situation. Read the Bios. wink.gif They are all doctors/dentists. If you read the entire blogs, you'll see that they live in Baghdad, but are doing their residency in the Basrah area, much to their dismay.

Don't want an Iraqi view, read the soldier blogs.wink.gif Every single one complains about how negative the media coverage of Iraq is. Sure Iraq is fubar'd right now, but it's not as bad as the media makes it appear.
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