Yes! We are finally showing how Bush stole the election!

There is alot of detailed information on this at http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

And from the Ohio Democratic Parties website...

" No Ohio County used Diebold Electronic Voting Machines
Ohio did not use modern electronic voting machines in this election. Six counties use an older form of electronic voting, which has a means of verifying the accuracy of the vote. In 69 Ohio Counties, punch card ballots were used."

But they used DieBold counting machines

Tired of these rumours.

What happened to that promise Bev made she could get a FL recount because of some arcane and forgotten law?

When I actually start seeing recounts, I'll believe these rumours.

They are recouting! BlackBoxVoting is doing it themelves!

Ok for you all this might sound stupid - but remember i don't live in the US - but BlackBoxVoting doing a recount ... let's say they have a different result - is it official then - or will there need to be another (official) recount ?


Jeanny

SATURDAY NOV 13 2004:

What is a fraud audit?

A fraud audit is not the same as a recount. It does not presume innocence. It does not make the assumption that if there is an anomaly with a benign explanation, it's okay to stop investigating. Any embezzler (or vote manipulator) worth his salt will build in an explanation that makes it sound like it could be an honest mistake, or a "glitch." Any investigator worth his salt knows you have to look deeper.

Forensic auditing begins with indicators, like oddball statistics, mismatched records, or secretive, obstructive behavior. The next step is to obtain diagnostic documents. Later steps may include pulling all the ballots for hand recounts.

Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting, has interfaced with law enforcement, including the FBI, state attorneys-general, the IRS, local police, and banking authorities, in several previous investigations during her work as an investigative writer. Her methods for isolating fraud have resulted in convictions or settlements from embezzlers and financial fraudsters. Black Box Voting is the first publicly funded, independent consumer protection group to investigate this election using forensic auditing methods.

Irresponsible media

You may have seen recent stories in the media (ABC News, Salon.com), and at other voting integrity Web sites like VerifiedVoting.org, telling you there is no reason to believe suspicions of fraud in the 2004 election. In fact, no member of the media nor any organization has done any real forensic auditing to determine whether there was or was not fraud. Trust in our electoral process is critical to our democracy. We need the right kind of investigation into anomalies, using appropriate methods.

"Feel-good" statements, dismissive of real concerns into voting integrity, are not responsible. The truth is what it is. We might see something very uncomfortable unfold during these investigations. Or, maybe not. It's still too early to tell, but the evidence is mounting.

Snoopy 50-year-old women

Think of this like an assets investigation in a bad divorce: One party may have things to hide, the other party (we, the voters) wants to find out the truth. If you are looking for hidden assets owned by your ex, you don't call in a computer scientist from a university. You enlist the help of private investigators, accountants, lawyers, and your plain old common sense. In fact, snoopy 50-year-old women have proved invaluable in investigating voting machines.

This is not a computer problem. It is not something a reporter who spends four hours researching a story can pronounce judgment on. We have been surprised to see prominent scientists announcing "results" before the data is in. We don't know what happened on Nov. 2. We will find out.

Here's what Black Box Voting is doing to investigate appropriately:

We are doing forensic analysis of the available evidence. We are targeting specific locations based on criteria indicative of fraud.

Why we can't disclose our documents yet

Initially, we hoped to have everything public all the time. This resulted in butt-covering behavior on the part public officials, which hampered our investigations. Therefore, we adjusted our methods to keep critical investigations under wraps. That's just the way it has to be right now.

Isn't it too late?

We are dealing with well financed people who are trying to run out the clock. They probably will succeed in that. However, we probably will succeed in proving fraud.
What we have going for us is this:

- Public outrage: We read your letters and hear your anguish on the phone. Do not let go of those emotions. Your job is to focus those emotions into stubborn, relentless, nonstop pressure to make sure that there will be consequences for any and all electoral fraud.

- Law enforcement. There are still plenty of honest cops. Also, in our experience, different law enforcement agencies don't always get along, and where one fails us, another may not.

- We have the courts. (Somewhat.) Not all judges are unfriendly. They vote too. We can follow the example of tobacco industry lawsuits, launching many lawsuits, then sharing discovery and strategy until at last, we prevail.

- We have the media (barely). Network TV has not yet been able to get its brain around the story of electoral betrayal in a 2-minute news byte. For the time being, you must be your own "network TV." Don't count on TV to spread the word. Instead count on America's spirit of self reliance. We will prevail. Be the media.

- We have the Internet. Use it to share information at every level -- instant messaging, e-mailing, listservs, blogs, forums, Web sites, announcements, online media, online documents, film and video clips, audio clips, and any way that you can imagine to use it effectively. The Internet allows us to respond without boundaries, quickly, in unpredictable ways.

- We have truth.

No it is just grounds for the offical recount or throwing out the results alltogether and not counting that State.

Oh - ok - thank you

And thanks for posting that information too

The Bush administration would like this to blow over quickly before it reach's the mainstream media in a big way. You can choose to help the Bush admin by accepting what happened in the 2000 & 2004 elections or you can continue to help with the efforts to find the truth so there will be no doubt in future elections.

This will not be an easy fight so if you dont have the energy to help fight for the truth than please dont throw your towel in on our fight because it is going to take more than a handful of people to make our elections honest again, its going to take the voices of many people to get the rest of the people to listen.....

DITTO!

I've resolved to fight this illigitimate government UNTIL THE MOVING VAN TAKING ME TO CANADA pulls in the driveway!

If this election is not verified, then it was not an election.

It just looked like one.

ALL prior elections in Communist counties, South American Drug Running countries and even in Saddam's Iraq will seem honest compared to our 2004 election.

That is why , for the future good of our country, we MUST show the world that what we do is something that we can be proud of and that the rest of the world can look down on us and appreciate our honesty...byt making the Ohio vote, and perhaps others, NULL and VOID andcalling for re voting.

If we do not do that, then we fail in our effort to show the world how true democracy works and we will have failed our founding fathers by allowing America's FIRST Fascist government to retain control. We will be no better than Hitler's Third Reich.

Why not stay and fight with us until we win (and we will!) -- then you won't feel the need to leave at all!

It's OUR country, not theirs! (strains of Woody Guthrie...)

Exactly on target as ususal NEMster ...

and just as importantly...

it is absolutely essential that we RESTORE our democracy that was clearly HIJACKED in 2000, 2002 and once again in 2004.

Election Fraud and shananigans have been reported for decades, if not over a century - but never before on such a scale as this. at least that we're aware of.

But NOW that there is AWARENESS, it is imperative that we lead the FIGHT to reclaim our democracy, and fight for our freedom against TYRANNY here at home, do it now.. or lose our precious and fragile heritage forever.

You don't seem to understand the rules of the law

This is not a simple recount, its a direct audit which includes investigation, spotchecking, trace routing, all these things the lawyer talked about earlier and also is for witnesses and people involved to be subpoenaed, to be brought forward, and to be litigated according to certain actions. It is not a "recount or something else" it's a full, inexplicable, audit...

So, did blackbox reach their goal in being able to get the fraud investigations? Does anybody know about how much more money they need to raise and by when? I will help however I can. Thanks!

Been in direct contact and their investigations are already underway, they won a over a million dollar lawsuit, it wasn't about raising capital anymore I don't know where you heard that. Probably DU

here's the original thread about blackboxvoting's breaking news

it has over a hundred replies and important information, so check it out

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Tom...I'm a minority group...I'm 51....and while I consider myself a "christian" my spouse IS NOT... it ain't looking too bright for us here...

How long do we wait for the other shoe to drop...do I fight for 10 years...when I'm 61, less employable, they've stolen my SS and my corporation has cheated me out of a pension? How much longer is "uprooting my life" a viable option!

here's my view of what is happening...we have til 2006 to CHANGE DIRECTION...after that...DEMOCRACY IS COOKED!

we are following the historical decline of all great powers aren't we...we are going to SUPERNOVA as a nation...and many bloody, sensless deaths will be left in its wake...

and our Democratic leaders sit in Washington saying "how can we be more like the Clintons".... well, hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it...and my hindsight is telling me that Clinton style DID NOT HELP DEMOCRATS...it helped Bill (which is probably why he was TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE IN HELPING THE PARTY BREAK OUT FROM UNDER THE NEO-CON RHETORIC). Clinton's Presidency WAS ALL ABOUT CLINTON...and today we are paying the price.

If he had spent those 8 years taking on those evil bigots...we wouldn't been standing here today. He wouldn't have left office with an impeachment vote in the Congress...and I lay much of the blame at the door of our Democrats in washington...
it's just a game to them....but to me...

it's my life at stake...it is my ability to survive my senior years...

and they still don't get it...the Democrats are not picking the "fraud" fight...IT YOU AND ME AND PEOPLE LIKE BEV HARRIS....it's not them because ultimately THEY GOT THEIRS...GO GET YOUR OWN!

yeah...I'm a little panicked...and if you have the least knowledge of history...you will be also

As they say in dixie "them alot of crooks' gettin hodge pied!!!"