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Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 25 2005, 06:25 PM)
Military is still telling the press what to print.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1001351291

"Military's Advice to Reporters: 2,000 Dead in Iraq 'Not a Milestone'"

By E&P Staff

Published: October 25, 2005 1:11 PM ET updated 3:30 PM

U.S. Army Lt. Col. Steve Boylan, director of the force's combined press center, wrote in an e-mail to reporters, "I ask that when you report on the events, take a moment to think about the effects on the families and those serving in Iraq."

"The 2,000 service members killed in Iraq supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom is not a milestone."

"It is an artificial mark on the wall set by individuals or groups ....

with specific agendas and ulterior motives
."

And who in the HELL is this uniformed member of OUR United States Army to be commenting publicly on the motives of ANYONE?

Anyone at all?

What evidence does this uniformed member of OUR military have that anyone in the civilian world, where he holds no authority, is doing something, anything, based on ulterior motives?

Where is RULE BY LAW here?

Upon what evidence does he make this statement?

Upon what authority does he render this judgment?

Upon what authority, specifically, is this Army Lieutenant Colonel gathering evidence on what the motives of this or that group in the civilian world questioning 2,000 deaths in Iraqinam might be?

And that answer is none at all!

Not in OUR America, anyway!

This Lieutenant Colonel has no right to be making this statement, nor does he have authority to be censoring OUR news based upon what is a blatant propaganda statement by a military spokesperson.

In America, Lieutenant Colonel, Lieutenant Colonels do not order civilians around ....

In America, Lieutenant Colonel, the civilians maintain control over the standing army through OUR Congress, pursuant to OUR United States Constitution ...

Which protects us from you, Lieutenant Colonel, and your blatant propagandizing .....

SO ....

That 2,000 number is whatever it is to whomever it is, and under OUR United States Constitution this Lieutenant Colonel has absolutely nothing whatsoever to say about what civilians in OUR America can or cannot think or discuss or debate as they will such as why we have military forces in Iraq today, and why any American has to be dying over there, and this is something especially that disabled veterans of other wars, and especially Viet Nam, should be questioning today, in this latest war based on lies ....

Lt. Col. Steve Boylan of the U.S. Combined Force Press Center, DO NOT PRESUME TO TELL US AMERICAN CITIZENS WHAT WE CAN THINK, OR WHAT WE CAN KNOW ABOUT WHILE YOU ARE WEARING THE UNIFORM OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY!

You are without authority over us, as of yet!

George W. Bush has not yet set America under martial law, to my knowledge, and if he were to have, he still does not have authority to tell us Americans what we can know, and how we must think ...

He does not have that authority ...

And only a tyrant would try ....
Snuffysmith
Four sorrows ... are certain to be visited on the United States.

Their cumulative effect guarantees that the U.S. will cease to resemble the country outlined in the Constitution of 1787.

First, there will be a state of perpetual war, leading to more terrorism against Americans wherever they may be and a spreading reliance on nuclear weapons among smaller nations as they try to ward off the imperial juggernaut.

Second is a loss of democracy and Constitutional rights as the presidency eclipses Congress and is itself transformed from a co-equal 'executive branch' of government into a military junta.

Third is the replacement of truth by propaganda, disinformation, and the glorification of war, power, and the military legions.

Lastly, there is bankruptcy, as the United States pours its economic resources into ever more grandiose military projects and shortchanges the education, health, and safety of its citizens.": Chalmers Johnson, Sorrows of Empire
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jeffmoskin
WOW!

VOLUME FOUR!

We are blogging fools.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE
Snuffysmith    Oct 26 2005, 08:58 AM

Query: Why isn't the DOD spending more money on developing sensor techniques, or cell phone blocking systems to prevent the detonation of munitions and bombs. That would be more useful than building another airplane.


Query #2: Why are US military people driving out on patrols? Half of our casualties are from IEDs. Why haven't we trained Iraqis to drive patrols?
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Oct 26 2005, 03:29 PM)
WOW!

VOLUME FOUR!

We are blogging fools.

*

Well, jeffmoskin, we're blogging anyway .....

Remember way back when, when you asked me why I was talking to myself, jeffmoskin ...

Back in the beginning?

It was so that we could get from there to here ...

It was the only way I knew, at the time, anyway ....
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 02:43 PM)
Well, jeffmoskin, we're blogging anyway .....

Remember way back when, when you asked me why I was talking to myself, jeffmoskin ...

Back in the beginning?

It was so that we could get from there to here ...

It was the only way I knew, at the time, anyway ....
*

Talking to one's self can be infectious, Livyjr.

Unless you do it in public.
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Oct 26 2005, 03:42 PM)
Query #2: Why haven't we trained Iraqis to drive patrols?
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Because they wouldn't do it, jeffmoskin ....

Because it's not their war ....

It is George W. Bush's war, for his reasons, and not theirs ....

Because they would be like the Vietnamese, jeffmoskin ....

They won't fight their friends and brothers and kin for strangers .......

For money, of course, some of them will ...

But not enough .....

And if it was different, the "equation", I mean, well, there'd still be a Roman Empire, as I see it ...

I mean, if all it took was military force, there would still be a Roman Empire .....

But there isn't ....

And for good and substantial reasons, all of which have to do with human nature .....

Which George W. Bush and "CON-JOB CONNIE" Rice are trying to suppress with military force .....

Like the Romans before them, upon whom the NEW CONS have structured their own NEW WORLD ORDER ....

Legions in the field at all times ....

A campaign each season ....

Show the flag and give them a taste of the lash at the same time ...

And the sword to those who won't willingly take the lash ....

BUSH WORLD .....

Shades of BROWN ......

As the PRIME LEADER says .....

Be prepared for a lot more BLOODSHED, because from him, that is what we and the candid world can expect ......

And this is a man who is not afraid to make his word good, wherever, and however ...

And so ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 03:58 PM)
And if it was different, the "equation", I mean, well, there'd still be a Roman Empire, as I see it ...

I mean, if all it took was military force, there would still be a Roman Empire .....

Ah, yes, evolution ....

Or is there, really?

And if there is, how does that explain George W. Bush and the NEW CONS?

Throw-backs?

Works for me, anyway .....

"Kansas Museum Opens Evolution Exhibit"

By JOHN MILBURN, Associated Press Writer

Tue Oct 25,10:27 PM ET

LAWRENCE, Kan. - Upstairs from the Natural Selections gift shop is what directors of the Museum of Natural History at the University of Kansas believe will be the latest word in an ongoing ruckus over evolution.

The "Explore Evolution" exhibit is part of a six-university program to educate the public about evolution and its role in explaining the natural world.

The exhibit opens to the public Nov. 1, with the money coming from a $2.8 million National Science Foundation grant.


Although planning for the project has taken four years, it is debuting as evolution's place in science classrooms is being debated in Kansas, a federal trial in Pennsylvania and even at the White House.

Leonard Krishtalka, director of the university's biodiversity institute, described evolution Tuesday as the "single-most unifying concept" in evolutionary biology.

The exhibit demonstrates that evolutionary concepts are woven into numerous scientific disciplines.

"It's not a textbook on evolution," Krishtalka said, during a museum preview for reporters.

"This exhibit isn't designed to convert anyone."

The exhibit fills a display gallery in Dyche Hall on the Lawrence campus.

Hanging across the entry for the exhibit is a giant mosasaur, a lizard that lived in the inland sea that covered Kansas 65 million to 90 million years ago.

Seven stations describe scientists' research around the globe and the importance of evolution in understanding the mutation of diseases, such as HIV, and the relationship between humans and chimpanzees.

Exhibits also are planned for or have opened at the universities of Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas, as well as Minnesota Science Museum in Minneapolis.

Krishtalka said all visitors are welcome, though he expects that some, including advocates of intelligent design, will come looking to debate evolution.

Intelligent design — a concept Krishtalka calls "creationism in a cheap tuxedo" — says some features of the natural world are best explained by an intelligent cause.

"If there are any debates, I'm sure they will be done informally," he said, adding he expects intelligent design advocates to leave literature at the exhibit criticizing evolution.

Earlier this month, John Calvert, a retired Lake Quivira attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, called the exhibit "in-your-face evangelism," designed to promote evolution as a creed.

Krishtalka said he had no trouble with a discussion of evolution among educators but added that science seeks natural explanations for the history and development of the universe.

He said religion seeks to give humans a sense of purpose in that universe.

"One is science; one is not," he said.

Next month, the State Board of Education is expected to adopt revised science standards reflecting skepticism of evolutionary theory.

Its conservative majority contends it's promoting a balanced view of evolution.

But Krishtalka said the conservatives are wrong to let their religious and political leanings interfere with good science for the second time in six years.

In 1999, a conservative-led board removed most references to evolution from the state's science standards — a decision reversed two years later.

"Much of science has many unanswered questions."

"But that's no reason to throw up your hands and say some supernatural force must be at work," he said.

A poll in August suggested a majority of Americans believe creationism should be taught with evolution in schools.

Krishtalka said such views show that science has failed to properly educate students.

President Bush has endorsed teaching intelligent design alongside evolution.

But in Pennsylvania, a trial is underway in a federal lawsuit filed by parents against a school district that required teachers to read a brief statement referring students to an intelligent-design textbook for information about "gaps" in evolutionary theory.

Kansas Board of Education Chairman Steve Abrams, said he's not worried about whether the exhibit will be slanted and is not sure it will influence the debate.

"I think anytime that you can combine history and a little bit of education, I think it's a great opportunity," said Abrams, an Arkansas City veterinarian.

"I've been to exhibits like that many times in the past."

"I've enjoyed them."
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On the Net:

University of Kansas Natural History Museum: http://www.nhm.ku.edu

Kansas State Board of Education: http://www.ksbe.state.ks.us
Livyjr
And Iraqinam ....

What would OUR America be without George W. Bush's Iraqinam ....

Like Ahab with his MOBY DICK .......

"Iraq's Top Cleric Won't Back Al-Jaafari"

By HAMZA HENDAWI and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writers

1 hour, 3 minutes ago

NAJAF, Iraq - Iraq's top Shiite cleric has decided to withhold his endorsement of a Shiite coalition that swept last January's general election, rejecting repeated pleas by senior politicians for him to reconsider, associates on both sides said Wednesday.

The move by the Iranian-born Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani reflected the cleric's disappointment with the performance of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's Shiite-led government, according to three associates of the cleric who are in regular contact with him.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because al-Sistani's closest allies are not permitted to talk to media on the ayatollah's positions.


Their comments represent the first known rift between the prominent ayatollah and the Shiite political parties he has supported since the ouster of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

A senior official of al-Jaafari's Dawa party, Ali al-Adeeb, confirmed that al-Sistani had not "yet" agreed to endorse the Shiite alliance.

Lack of an al-Sistani endorsement will reduce the chances that the Shiite coalition, formally known as the United Iraqi Alliance, can repeat its Jan. 30 success in the next election, set for Dec. 15.

Al-Sistani's support was credited for enabling the alliance to win 140 of parliament's 275 seats, allowing it to form a government with the Kurds.

Failure to repeat such success could significantly alter Iraq's political landscape, raising the possibility of a coalition government — perhaps without the big Shiite religious parties with ties to Iran.

Al-Sistani is deeply revered by Iraq's majority Shiites, about 60 percent of the population.

Politicians seek his advice and often act on it.

His insistence that Iraq's constitution must be written by elected delegates forced the United States to drop two political blueprints for Iraq.

Although his aides insist that al-Sistani has no interest in a formal political role, his edicts, or fatwas, have shaped politics of postwar Iraq.

Hence, his unhappiness with the performance of al-Jaafari's government could swing the Shiite vote away from the Alliance or split the Shiite vote.

There has been profound disillusionment with the al-Jaafari government in the Shiite community, one reason why Shiite turnout was relatively low in the Oct. 15 referendum on Iraq's constitution.

The constitution was approved despite the low turnout by Shiites.

The al-Sistani associates said the ayatollah's decision to withhold his support from the coalition arose from the government's failure to improve security, services — such as power and water supplies — or end persistent fuel shortages.

Al-Sistani also was concerned about what his associates said was the government's inability to curtail the influence of militias, fight corruption and stop neighboring countries from meddling in Iraq's internal affairs.


As an example of al-Sistani's disappointment, the associates spoke of a recent visit by a Shiite delegation to Najaf.

The lawmakers came to sound out the cleric about a plan to establish a new ministry to supervise religious festivals after a series of bomb attacks and a stampede killed Shiite worshippers at religious ceremonies.

"He told them that if the money is available to set up a new ministry then it will be better spent providing better services to Iraqis," one associate said.

The idea was dropped.

Members of the Alliance are concerned about the impact of al-Sistani's decision and are rushing to put together an election team ahead of this week's deadline to submit lists of candidates to the Iraqi election commission.

Already, the Iraqi National Congress, the party of former Washington insider Ahmad Chalabi, has withdrawn from the alliance and is considering deals with other parties.

Small groups of minority Shiite Kurds and Turkomen have pulled out too and may join Chalabi in a new alliance.

Entifadh Qanbar, a spokesman for Chalabi's INC, confirmed that the party was talking to other groups, but said no final agreement has been reached yet.

The "Sadrists," followers of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, agreed Wednesday to stay in the Alliance after days of negotiations, according to Sadrist lawmaker Bahaa al-Aaraji.

The Sadrists, whose militiamen fought U.S. troops last year, enjoy widespread support in many of the mainly Shiite provinces of southern Iraq.

Minority Kurds, who are expected to win 40-50 seats in the December vote, are unlikely to rejoin the Shiite Alliance.

They have publicly criticized al-Jaafari's policies and complained of what they said was their marginalization in his Cabinet.

If the Kurds and the Shiite alliance were to part company, the Kurds could join an alliance recently set up by former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, a secular Shiite, as well as the Sunni Arabs, who boycotted the Jan. 30 vote but say they will participate in the December election.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 04:40 PM)
"Iraq's Top Cleric Won't Back Al-Jaafari"

By HAMZA HENDAWI and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writers

NAJAF, Iraq - Iraq's top Shiite cleric has decided to withhold his endorsement of a Shiite coalition that swept last January's general election, rejecting repeated pleas by senior politicians for him to reconsider, associates on both sides said Wednesday.

If the Kurds and the Shiite alliance were to part company, the Kurds could join an alliance recently set up by former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, a secular Shiite, as well as the Sunni Arabs, who boycotted the Jan. 30 vote but say they will participate in the December election.

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And speaking of the Sunnis in Iraqinam ....

George W. Bush's enemies .....

Or some of them, anyway .....

George W. Bush has a lot of enemies ......

Everybody, ultimately ......

Paranoia has struck deep ....

Into his heart it has crept ....

Now, he has men with guns everywhere ....

SO ...

Beware ....

"Sunni groups form alliance for Iraq elections"

1 hour, 8 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Three Sunni Arab parties formed an alliance to run in Iraq's December elections after a new constitution was adopted for the violence-wracked nation despite strong Sunni opposition.

Marking a grim milestone for an American public increasingly opposed to the war, the number of US military losses since the 2003 invasion of Iraq reached 2,001 following the death of a soldier in a road accident.

And the US ambassador to Iraq said political progress and improving home-grown security forces may allow the United States to cut its military presence in 2006.

"I do believe it's possible that we could adjust our forces, downsizing them in the course of next year."

"That's possible given the positive political developments and the continuing growth in the capabilities of the Iraqi forces," Zalmay Khalilzad said at the White House.

But violence persisted on the ground, with six Iraqis killed in a string of attacks, including the head of the culture ministry, while the bodies of eight men shot dead were found in northern Iraq.

Politicians were working to meet a tight Friday deadline to register candidates for parliamentary elections on December 15, the third round of voting in post- Saddam Hussein Iraq.

Election officials announced Tuesday that almost four in five voters cast ballots in favour of the charter which provides a framework for a democratic Iraq after decades of dictatorship, although three Sunni-majority provinces voted against.

Whoever controls the 275-seat parliament after the elections will also have a decisive say on possible modifications to the constitution, which the Sunnis fear could lead to the break-up of the country.

In a last-minute deal aimed at attracting disaffected Sunni Arabs -- favored under Saddam -- lawmakers introduced a clause allowing the next parliament to amend the charter.


The deal seems to have paid off when three Sunni Arab parties announced an alliance for the December round of voting, after the landmark January elections were largely boycotted by the minority community.

The Conference of the People of Iraq, the Iraqi Islamic Party, and the Iraqi National Dialogue "agreed to run on one list under the name Iraqi Concord Front," a joint statement said.

The Islamic Party, the Iraqi version of the Muslim Brotherhood, boycotted the January elections but called on voters to approve the constitution.

Both the National Dialogue and the Conference of the People both opposed ratifying the constitution.

In a surprise move, radical Shiite leader Moqtada al-Sadr said he would present a common list of candidates with Sunni Arabs from the volatile Al-Anbar province.

Sadr vehemently opposes the US-led occupation of Iraq, aligning him with Sunni Arabs who are believed to form the backbone of the insurgency.


The current government is dominated by a Shiite alliance led by two religious parties -- the Dawa party of Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari and the formerly Iran-based Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI).

Parties likely to participate in December include a secular coalition headed by a Washington favorite, former prime minister Iyad Allawi.

His new group, the Iraqi Conference on National Unity, said it condemned "attempts from some quarters to divide Iraqi society along sectarian lines."

The group called on Iraqis "to refrain from recourse to sectarian politics, and to work together for national Unity."

Deputy Prime Minister Ahmed Chalabi, a secular Shiite and one-time Washington darling who fell out of favor following allegations he spied for Iran, is also likely to field candidates.

Chalabi, said to be negotiating an unlikely deal with Sadr, will travel to Washington in the next few days, US media reported.

Chalabi was a key US government source on alleged Iraqi stocks of weapons of mass destruction, the main justification the Bush administration used for the 2003 invasion.

No such weapons were ever found.


A new Iraqi government will have a four-year term and have to deal with a raging insurgency, which includes die-hard Saddam loyalists as well as Islamic militants like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Al-Qaeda group.

The group rejected the new constitution as a US-led attempt to lure Sunni Muslims into the political process and vowed to pursue its attacks.

Zarqawi's group claimed responsibility for kidnapping two Moroccan embassy employees, and also claimed a spectacular attack on a Baghdad hotel complex housing foreigners that killed 17 people Monday.

Another issue the new government will face with far-reaching social consequences is a sharp rise in fuel prices, quietly announced on state-run television Tuesday amid images of Iraqis celebrating the approval of the constitution.

Local fuel prices -- currently among the lowest in the world -- will rise starting from January 1, with one liter (just under a quarter of a gallon) of regular gasoline going up 20 to 50 dinars (three US cents).

Government officials say subsidized fuel prices encourage criminals to smuggle fuel to neighboring countries, exacerbating the chronic shortages that have plagued Iraq since Saddam's overthrow.

US military losses broke the 2,000 barrier on Wednesday, a milestone that received widespread media coverage in the United States, where support for the war is waning.

President George W. Bush warned that the war would "require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve."

In Amman, lawyers representing Saddam announced they will boycott the tribunal trying the ousted president until they are given better security.

The decision followed the killing of Saadun Janabi, an attorney representing one of Saddam's co-defendants, just a day after the opening of the trial.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 04:51 PM)
And speaking of the Sunnis in Iraqinam ....

George W. Bush's enemies .....

Or some of them, anyway .....

George W. Bush has a lot of enemies ......

Everybody, ultimately ......

And as George W. Bush valiantly stands there in the breech, the very last thing there is between CIVILIZATION, and BLACKNESS .....

"Prosecutor nears end of CIA leak investigation - Last-minute interviews by FBI agents; no announcement expected today"

Updated: 11:53 a.m. ET Oct. 26, 2005

WASHINGTON - Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald met Wednesday with the grand jury investigating the leak of a CIA officer’s identity, putting the finishing touches on a two-year criminal probe that has ensnared two senior White House aides.

A Justice Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of the grand jury probe, said no announcement was expected Wednesday by Fitzgerald.


Fitzgerald and the grand jurors entered the courthouse around 9 a.m. ET, with just three days left before the jury’s term is set to expire.

Away from the jury, FBI agents conducted a handful of last-minute interviews to check facts key to the case.

Lawyers representing key White House officials expected Fitzgerald to decide as early as Wednesday whether to charge I. "Scooter" Libby, who is Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, and presidential political adviser Karl Rove.

Both Rove and Libby joined other officials Wednesday at the daily White House senior staff meeting, as usual.

The grand jury Fitzgerald has used in the investigation is set to expire Friday.

Fitzgerald could charge one or more presidential aides with violating a law prohibiting the intentional unmasking of an undercover CIA officer.

In recent weeks the prosecutor has also examined other charges such as mishandling classified information, false statements and obstruction of justice.

Interviews include agent’s neighbors

Fitzgerald has been in Washington since Monday and over the last two days dispatched FBI agents to conduct some 11th-hour interviews, according to lawyers close to the investigation, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of grand jury proceedings.

One set of interviews occurred in the neighborhood of Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson, whose wife Valerie Plame was outed as an undercover CIA officer.

Agents asked neighbors whether they had any inkling that Plame works for the CIA.

“They wanted to know how well we knew her, which is very well,” said neighbor David Tillotson.

“Did we know anything about her position before the story broke?"

"Absolutely not.”

Agents also interviewed a former unidentified associate of Rove’s about his activities around the time the leaks occurred.

Two lawyers familiar with the activities said the interviews involved basic fact-checking and did not appear to plow new ground.

Fitzgerald may want to establish Plame had carefully protected her CIA identity as part of the process of determining whether the disclosure of her name to the news media hurt national interests.

Cheney connection?

On Tuesday, the White House sidestepped questions about whether Cheney passed Plame’s identity on to Libby.

Libby’s notes suggest that he first heard from Cheney that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA, The New York Times reported this week.

Columnist Robert Novak disclosed Plame’s name on July 14, 2003, eight days after Wilson said publicly that the Bush administration had twisted intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq.

The timing of Wilson’s criticism was devastating for the Bush White House, which was struggling to come to grips with the fact that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq.

President Bush’s claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction was the administration’s main argument for going to war.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 05:00 PM)
And as George W. Bush valiantly stands there in the breech, the very last thing there is between CIVILIZATION, and ABSOLUTE BLACKNESS .....

Harriet Miers is going to tell us all why we are so lucky to have George W. Bush as our PRIME LEADER .......

For life ...

It's easy ...

Just have to tweak the United States Constitution a bit ...

And ...

LE VOILA .....

President-For-Life George W. Bush ...

Thanks to Harriet .....

"Miers to Be Questioned on Gitmo Policy"

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

1 hour, 15 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee served notice Wednesday he intends to question Harriet Miers about the Bush administration's policy of detaining terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, injecting new uncertainty into a Supreme Court nomination already in doubt.

In a letter to Miers, who is White House counsel, Sen. Arlen Specter also said he would ask what assurances she could offer that she would be independent, if confirmed, "and not give President Bush any special deference on any matter involving him that might come before the court."


Specter, R-Pa., released the letter as the White House struggled to build support for an appointment that has drawn withering criticism from some prominent conservatives outside Congress and steady skepticism — or worse — from Republican senators.

Three GOP officials said they no longer felt certain that Miers' troubled nomination would survive as long as the Nov. 7 target date for hearings, and that a withdrawal was not out of the question.

They spoke on condition of anonymity, noting that the administration's official policy is one of strong continued support for the president's pick.


For her part, Miers met with Sen. David Vitter, R-La., the latest in a round of senatorial courtesy calls, and labored to answer written questions from the Judiciary Committee by day's end.

The panel sought the information after deeming her earlier responses incomplete.

Vitter told reporters he wanted the White House to provide written evidence that Miers has a conservative judicial philosophy.

"What I am suggesting is that I'd love to see more written material that predates the nomination," he said.

Miers was named less than a month ago to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, whose views on the constitutional questions of the most controversial issues of the day often left her as the pivotal vote on 5-4 rulings.

In particular, O'Connor joined in rulings that upheld abortion rights and affirmative action.

While several GOP senators have lamented the shortage of material detailing Miers' views, a speech she delivered in 1993 drew attention from Vitter and other conservatives.

Discussing the issues of abortion and voluntary school prayer, she told the Executive Women of Dallas, "The underlying theme in most of these cases is the insistence of more self-determination."

"And the more I think about these issues, the more self-determination makes the most sense."

Vitter declined to tell reporters what Miers had told him about the speech she made a dozen years ago.

Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said it raised another question in his mind about her views.

"It's something we'll have to probe," he said.

Specter's letter set out a controversial area he intended to probe — the constitutional underpinnings of the administration's handling of suspects in the global war on terror.

Referring to cases involving the detainment of "enemy combatants" at a U.S. facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Specter noted that the administration contends that most of the detainees are kept in custody "not for punishment" but to keep them for interrogation and prevent them from returning to the battlefield.

"Are there any limitations as to how long detainees may be held for the purposes identified by the government?" he asked, setting out the first in a series of questions he intended to pose at the hearings.

Pentagon policy on the issue makes no mention of a time limit on the detentions.

Additionally, Specter posed a series of questions about the authority of the president to detain aliens outside U.S. borders.

These questions all appeared to involve controversy for Miers, since she has advised Bush privately about the war on terror, and the president has long insisted that advice offered within the White House is off-limits to outsiders.

The issues raised by the cases that Specter cited may resurface at the Supreme Court in the future, and nominees traditionally have shied away from offering opinions in such circumstances.

Chief Justice John Roberts invoked that precedent numerous times at his own confirmation hearings.

Specter also outlined questions relating to Congress' constitutional authority to declare war.
Livyjr
And then ......

We wing our way north, to REPUBLICAN George Pataki's corrupt EMPIRE of New York, where .....

CORRUPTION is king, and as a consequence, INCOMPETENCE reigns supreme ....

And like in the TEN-MILES SQUARE, don't nobody know nothing about anything at all ...

Especially their responsibilities as public officials with respect to protection of the public's health, safety and well-being .....

"Answers still elusive in dam's collapse - Residents still have many questions after public meeting is held"

By MATT PACENZA, Staff writer, Albany, New York Times Union
First published: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

FORT ANN -- More than 150 people braved a chilling rain Tuesday night to find out the results of a probe into why a new dam on Hadlock Pond failed on July 2, releasing a massive wall of water that destroyed area homes and roads.

Most left the public meeting at the Fort Ann Central School with more questions than answers.


Investigators and officials told residents the water had seeped into the dam face, eroding the materials that form its base, but they wouldn't say whose was to blame for the collapse.

They also can't answer key questions on most people's minds: Who will pay for the damage done?

When will a new dam be built, and who will pay for that?

"We all know there was a breach in the dam," said Niskayuna resident Tom Stachnick, who owns a camp on Hadlock Pond.

"There's a lot of finger-pointing going on here."

"But the question is: What now?"

According to the Albany engineering firm Clough, Harbour & Associates, which was hired by the state Department of Environmental Conservation to investigate the collapse, weak points in the dam allowed water to enter, carrying materials off.

Fissures spread and the dam sprang a leak.

"All the evidence, the features, the structure, the things we were able to touch point to one thing -- internal erosion," said Dick Bovee, chief engineer at Clough, Harbour.


Investigators found key evidence in a sinkhole on the east side of the remaining dam.

That means there were spaces there for the soil to sink into.

Investigators think there were many such voids in the dam face, caused by a misuse of materials.

"There should have been some material that would diminish the flow of water into the rock voids," said Bovee.

Among the likely voids were the points where the new dam met the old dam.

In those places, Bovee said, there should have been material like gravel and small stones that would have plugged the gaps.

Another possible culprit was the use of frozen soils.

According to construction documents obtained by the Times Union through the Freedom of Information Law, work on the dam was suspended on Jan. 24 because of cold temperatures, beginning again on March 21.

If frozen soil was used in December or January, that could have caused the gaps, Bovee said.

Residents pressed officials to explain why frozen materials were used -- the project's design explicitly forbade it.

Did the town of Fort Ann, the owner of the dam, give the contractor permission to work in December and January?


No, said town attorney John Aspland Jr.

"That would be their decision to make," he said.

Officials would not say if they fault Kubricky Construction Corp. of Queensbury, the company that built the dam.

Attendees reserved their greatest skepticism for the DEC, charged with monitoring and inspecting New York's dams.

Area media outlets have been frustrated in their efforts to obtain certain key documents about Hadlock Pond using the Freedom of Information Law.

Both state and town officials have cited homeland security excuses.


"What we are not able to present is the actual design, because of security reasons," said Sandy Allen, the director of the DEC's division of water.

The crowd replied with laughter and jeers.


State elected officials told attendees about efforts to find funds to replace the four homes that were destroyed -- another dozen were heavily damaged -- and to reimburse the town and state for rebuilding washed-out roads.

If government monies don't come through, both residents and the town of Fort Ann plan to go to court to recover damages from the contractor, designer or any other party responsible for the dam collapse.

"I can assure you," said Fort Ann Supervisor Gayle Hall, "the town will engage in litigation, sooner rather than later."

Matt Pacenza can be reached at 454-5533 or by e-mail at mpacenza@timesunion.com.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 05:37 PM)
And then ......

We wing our way north, to REPUBLICAN George Pataki's corrupt EMPIRE of New York, where .....

"Weld not worried about a primary - GOP hopeful says he will run for governor against Golisano and any other Republicans getting in race"

By ELIZABETH BENJAMIN, Capitol bureau, Albany, New York Times Union
First published: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

ALBANY -- Former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld insisted Tuesday he has no plans to abandon his quest to run on the Republican line for governor of New York next year -- no matter who else enters the race.

"This thing is going great from where I sit, who knows what everyone else thinks," said Weld, who was in town after a multi-day tour of western New York.


Weld also said he may create a new minor party line to run on -- much like Gov. George Pataki did with the Tax Cut Now Party in 1994.

B. Thomas Golisano's recent enrollment switch from the Independence Party to the Republican Party and his potential gubernatorial bid on the GOP line sparked speculation that Weld might drop out to avoid a pricey primary with the billionaire Rochester businessman.

But Weld, a millionaire who has said he doesn't want to spend his own money to run for office in New York, insisted during an interview with the Times Union on Tuesday he has no qualms about entering into a primary battle with Golisano or any other Republican.


"I think a primary against Tom Golisano is something I could look forward to," Weld said.

"But that's 10 months away, and, you know, six months is an eternity in politics."

Golisano has not yet announced whether he will run for governor a fourth time.

Former Erie County Democratic Party Chairman Steven Pigeon, a Golisano adviser, said Golisano will likely make a decision by early January.

Golisano, who has run three unsuccessful self-financed campaigns for governor on the Independence Party line, spent $75 million of his own money on his last race in 2002 and won 14 percent of the vote.

Former Assembly Minority Leader John Faso, R-Kinderhook, former state Secretary of State Randy Daniels and Assemblyman Patrick Manning, R-Hopewell Junction, are avidly seeking the GOP gubernatorial nomination as well.

State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer is the only declared Democratic candidate for governor.

State GOP Chairman Stephen Minarik, who supports Weld, has been hosting interview sessions between prospective statewide candidates and Republican county chairs.

The final session will be Thursday in the Bronx.

Weld said he will attend.

Faso, Daniels and Manning are also expected, said state GOP Executive Director Ryan Moses.

Golisano hasn't called party leaders to say he'll be there, Moses said.

Weld came to Albany on Monday for a fundraiser at the Fort Orange Club organized by Lisa Coldwell O'Brien, who worked in both the Weld and Pataki administrations, and her husband, Daniel, a real estate developer.

About 75 people attended, according to a Weld spokesman.

The cost was $250 to have drinks with Weld, and $500 to dine with him.

On Tuesday night, Weld spoke at the Schenectady County GOP's annual Oktoberfest dinner, a $45-a-head event.

Schenectady County GOP Chairman Armando Tebano said his organization is leaning toward endorsing Weld and may decide within a week.

Albany County Conservative Chairman Richard Stack was listed as a member of the host committee for Weld's Monday fundraiser.

In helping Weld, Stack is breaking with many conservatives, including state Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long, who call the former Bay State governor too liberal on social issues like abortion and gay rights.

Creating a new party could help Weld offset the fact that he might not get the Conservative line in 2006.

Pataki won 54,040 votes on the Tax Cut Now line in 1994.

Conservatives like to tout the fact that no statewide Republican candidate has won without their party's backing since 1974.

But Weld supporters point out the Conservative Party's clout has waned and suggest its line might no longer be key to GOP candidates.

Pataki got 328,605 on the Conservative line in 1994, but only 176,848 in 2002.

Weld insists his views match the Conservative Party's on everything but "so-called sex issues" -- abortion and gay rights.

He said he is a business-friendly, tough-on-crime, pro-gun, fiscal conservative who cut taxes and rebuilt the economy during his tenure in Massachusetts.

Weld said he is focused on raising money and will hold a big event at the St. Regis Hotel in Manhattan in November.

He said he's happy with how his nascent campaign is shaping up, and is enjoying his return to the campaign trail.

"I am starting from scratch in this state."

"I've got to earn it all myself," Weld said.

"I enjoy it very much."

"It feels good."

Elizabeth Benjamin can be reached at 454-5081 or by e-mail at ebenjamin@timesunion.com.
Livyjr
And for the moment, a look back in time .....

If you don't know where you've been, can you know where you're going?

"A different era of rehabilitation - Hard work and public punishment reigned at Berkshire Farm of 1930s"

By RICK KARLIN, Staff writer, Albany, New York Times Union
First published: Thursday, October 27, 2005

It was like summer camp, but with paddlings if you misbehaved.

And farm work for everyone.

Lots of farm work.

That's how Gordon Jevons Sr. recalled life at Berkshire Farm in the 1930s.

At 77, Jevons may be among the region's oldest former residents of the Canaan, Columbia County-based Berkshire Farm Center.

The 250-bed facility for troubled teenage boys has been in the news since July, when allegations of beatings, sexual abuse and drug dealing surfaced there.

Since then, the center has come under intense scrutiny by the state and from counties across New York, who refer youngsters from local juvenile courts.

The center's longtime director, Rose Washington, has retired and officials have taken steps to correct the problems found in a state inspection.


For Jevons, of Loudonville, news about Berkshire Farm brought back lots of memories and a recent interview provided a glimpse of life at a time when the approach to juvenile justice was far different.

"It was a working farm," said Jevons, who noted that one of the biggest differences between now and then may have been that, in his time, residents helped grow and raise much of the food they consumed.

Jevons wasn't at Berkshire Farm as a "resident," or teenager who was referred by the courts.

He lived there in the 1930s when his father Frank Jevons, who had been sent there as an orphan, worked at the center, first as a bookkeeper and later as interim superintendent.

Back then, there were about 150 kids, almost all of whom came from the greater New York City area.

Like today, they were typically referred by youth courts for relatively minor transgressions such as truancy or incorrigible behavior.

Unlike today, almost all of the kids were white, and with a Protestant background, recalled Jevons.

"It was a WASP institution, so to speak."

When kids weren't in class, they would help with the hogs, milk cows, work in apple orchards or the hayfields on the grounds.

In midsummer, when the blueberries ripened on one of the farm's hilltops, kids would pick the tiny treats by the bucketful, canning them for a winter of blueberry pancakes and waffles.

In winter, they would help haul ice that was painstakingly cut from a nearby lake to an icehouse, where the blocks would be covered in sawdust.

Another difference was the public, and painful, way in which discipline was meted out.

Kids who broke the rules, be it for swearing or smoking, would be taken up on the auditorium stage during morning assemblies and paddled, Jevons recalled.

If two youngsters got in a fight, though, punishment wasn't a given.

They would just as likely be handed a pair of boxing gloves and told to duke it out in the gym.

Just as overt was the competition for approval.

Each year, 30 of the best behaved kids and most successful students would make the honor roll, which entitled them to summer field trips and other privileges.

Jevons recalled going to the 1939 World's Fair in New York City, in a bus driven by his dad, with 30 other kids on board.

By 1942, the fair was closed, World War II had started and Jevons' family moved to the Albany area where his dad opened a grocery store and worked for the railroad.

Some common threads remain at Berkshire Farm, which dates to 1886.

Certainly the center's rural location is part of the treatment and while farming faded in the 1960s, the center offers vocational programs in addition to schooling.

Back then kids might learn a trade like printing, plumbing or carpentry.

Today they are encouraged to go to college after high school.

While unfamiliar with the details of Berkshire, Marvin Krohn, a professor of sociology and criminal justice at the University at Albany's School of Criminal Justice, said much of the 19th century was marked by a belief that a trip to the country could be beneficial for troubled kids.

"The notion was to send these kids back to a time and place where moral values could taught," said Krohn.

In some ways, this pursuit of a rural idyll was a reaction to the harshness of the nation's newly industrialized cities.

By the late 19th century, though, a social reform movement led to creation of juvenile courts and the way in which troubled kids were treated was slowly starting to change.


One idea that remains, Krohn said, is a sense that physical challenges -- be it the farm labor of yesteryear, or today's use of sports such as the basketball team that Berkshire Farm fields -- can help instill solid values.

"I don't think that approach has totally gone away," Krohn said.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 26 2005, 03:04 PM)
And who in the HELL is this uniformed member of OUR United States Army to be commenting publicly on the motives of ANYONE?

Anyone at all?

What evidence does this uniformed member of OUR military have that anyone in the civilian world, where he holds no authority, is doing something, anything, based on ulterior motives?

Where is RULE BY LAW here?

Upon what evidence does he make this statement?

Upon what authority does he render this judgment?

Upon what authority, specifically, is this Army Lieutenant Colonel gathering evidence on what the motives of this or that group in the civilian world questioning 2,000 deaths in Iraqinam might be?

And that answer is none at all!

Not in OUR America, anyway!

This Lieutenant Colonel has no right to be making this statement, nor does he have authority to be censoring OUR news based upon what is a blatant propaganda statement by a military spokesperson.

In America, Lieutenant Colonel, Lieutenant Colonels do not order civilians around ....

In America, Lieutenant Colonel, the civilians maintain control over the standing army through OUR Congress, pursuant to OUR United States Constitution ...

Which protects us from you, Lieutenant Colonel, and your blatant propagandizing .....

SO ....

That 2,000 number is whatever it is to whomever it is, and under OUR United States Constitution this Lieutenant Colonel has absolutely nothing whatsoever to say about what civilians in OUR America can or cannot think or discuss or debate as they will such as why we have military forces in Iraq today, and why any American has to be dying over there, and this is something especially that disabled veterans of other wars, and especially Viet Nam, should be questioning today, in this latest war based on lies ....

Lt. Col. Steve Boylan of the U.S. Combined Force Press Center, DO NOT PRESUME TO TELL US AMERICAN CITIZENS WHAT WE CAN THINK, OR WHAT WE CAN KNOW ABOUT WHILE YOU ARE WEARING THE UNIFORM OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY!

You are without authority over us, as of yet!

George W. Bush has not yet set America under martial law, to my knowledge, and if he were to have, he still does not have authority to tell us Americans what we can know, and how we must think ...

He does not have that authority ...

And only a tyrant would try ....

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I wonder if this Lieutenant Colonel Steve Boylan of the U.S. Combined Force Press Center is going to hurl invective at these people, like the mother of dead Nathan Brown, and accuse them of having "ULTERIOR MOTIVES" .....

Which is really a euphemism for AIDING AND COMFORTING THE ENEMY, or treason ......

"Stories, faces behind names"

By DAN HIGGINS, Staff writer, Albany, New York Times Union
First published: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

Terri Perry can't watch the news these days. Even when her son is home in Schuylerville, the news from Iraq is too much to take.

"If it's not my child, it's someone else's," said Perry, who founded Project Yellow Ribbon, which sends care packages to soldiers.

"It gets my mind spinning."


Her son, Army Spc. Edward Wood, surprised her last week with a visit home from Fort Hood, Texas.

But next month, he will be back in Iraq for his second tour of duty there since the invasion in 2003.

"Of course I'm nervous."

"Wouldn't you be?" said Wood, 23, a tank gunner with the 4th Infantry Division.

Tuesday marked the death of the 2,000th American soldier in Iraq since the war began in 2003.

Some military families said the milestone has forced them to revisit their anxiety about their loved ones who serve in the war zone.

Those whose relatives are among the dead said it's another bitter reminder of their loss.

And peace groups are calling for an end to the war before more are killed.

"My son and 2,000 other boys have a story to be told, and there needs to be a face behind those numbers," said Kathy Brown, of South Glens Falls.

She and her husband, Rick, have resigned themselves to a life where nothing will be the same since they lost their son, Nathan, last year.

"My child is gone and there's a big void."

" ... I tolerate the pain and live around it," she said.


Brown is one of six soldiers with ties to the region who are among the dead.

The first, Army Staff Sgt. Joseph E. Robsky Jr., 31, of Elizaville in Columbia County, was killed on Sept. 10, 2003, while attempting to defuse a bomb in Baghdad.

Most recently, Army Sgt. Eric Morris, 31, was killed April 29.

Morris, formerly of Troy, had lived in Seattle with his family.

Pfc. Nathan Brown was 21 when the unarmored truck in which he was riding came under attack from a rocket-propelled grenade in Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad.

Despite her affection for her son's fellow soldiers, Kathy Brown thinks the war is a bad idea.

She tries hard to avoid political debates.

Brown said she is turned off as much by those who remain staunchly behind President Bush as she is by supporters of Cindy Sheehan.


Sheehan became a symbol of the peace movement when she camped outside Bush's Texas ranch after the death of her son, a soldier, in Iraq.

She said she feels badly for Sheehan, who she said is being exploited by the anti-war movement.

But, likewise, she and her husband turned down an offer to meet with Bush after Nathan Brown was killed in 2004.

They were in Washington, D.C., visiting with U.S. Rep. John Sweeney, R-Clifton Park, who offered to arrange a meeting.

"We were too angry," Brown said.

The family is still waiting for a final report on Nathan's death.


Others are using the milestone to call for the war's swift end.

A number of peace groups -- including Veterans for Peace, Upper Hudson Peace Action and Bethlehem Neighbors for Peace -- planned demonstrations around the region, including a candlelight vigil on Wolf Road in Colonie scheduled for 5:30 tonight.

"I think any soldier dying is one too many," said Amy Doern, a member of the Saratoga Peace Alliance, which plans to hold a vigil and march in Saratoga Springs tonight.

"I think when it reaches 2,000, it's a call to do something, if only to reach out in respect and sorrow and speak up to the government."

She said she hopes the vigils will be solemn and apolitical.

In Waterford, Kathy and Rick Moore are keeping the home fires burning by maintaining a Web site for the families of local soldiers.

The site, Waterford's Bravest, http:// www.waterfordsbravest.com/ includes information on the dozen or so local soldiers who come from the Saratoga County town.

Among them are two of Kathy Moore's children: Jennifer Dowling, an Army medic, and Brian, a naval aircraft mechanic.

Jennifer served in Iraq but is stationed in Hawaii.

Brian served on an aircraft carrier that was deployed to New York City shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"It's very hard," Moore said.

"You're wondering 24 hours a day, 'Is my child OK?' "

Dan Higgins can be reached at 454-5523 or by e-mail at dhiggins@timesunion.com.

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"The family is still waiting for a final report on Nathan's death."

I hate to sound callous here, but there are not "reports" made out when someone dies in combat.

The dead in a combat zone are simply listed as KIA, if it is known that they are dead, or MIA, if they were blown away and the pieces cannot be found ....

The RED HAZE ....

Or the RED MIST .....

WHOOOM!

Well, there's Billy alright ....

And he's gone .....

For good ....

People in America ought to wake up to reality ...

After all, they invited it in when they made this man George W. Bush their "WAR LEADER", way back when ....

One day they are going to wake up and realize that George W. Bush is speaking the absolute truth when he says to be prepared for a whole lot more BLOODSHED ......

For the boy means just what he is saying .....

So grow up, America ....

You asked for it, and now you got it ....

Amen .....
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 27 2005, 06:32 AM)
People in America ought to wake up to reality ...

After all, they invited it in when they made this man George W. Bush their "WAR LEADER", way back when ....

One day they are going to wake up and realize that George W. Bush is speaking the absolute truth when he says to be prepared for a whole lot more BLOODSHED ......

For the boy means just what he is saying .....

So grow up, America ....

You asked for it, and now you got it ....

Amen .....

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When a man like George W. Bush with apparent "issues" about his own "courage" and "leadership abilities", and perhaps his very "manhood" itself, and almost if not complete absolute power to go along with those apparent feelings of "inadequacy" starts donning military garb and strutting around and rattling sabres and gnashing his teeth and hurling invective and demagoguery, and invading foreign nations and slaughtering their citizens and inflicting wanton destruction, you would think that it would sink into the heads of people that this man intends to kill ....

Like a chicken-killing dog .....

Once a dog starts killing chickens, it don't stop ....

Somehow, it just gets right into the head of the dog, and that is that ...

And maybe the dog is born that way ...

But who ever does really know ...

But however ....

Once a dog starts killing chickens, well .....

"Bush firm in face of deaths - After 2,000 fatalities, President says further sacrifice will be needed"

By MICHAEL A. FLETCHER, Washington Post
First published: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The nation's capital marked the 2,000th fatality in the Iraq war with a moment of silence and some debate in the Senate, the reading of the names of the fallen from the House floor, new protests and a solemn vow from President Bush not to "rest or tire until the war on terror is won."

In a speech delivered just hours before the Pentagon announced the death of Staff Sgt. George Alexander Jr., Bush's voice cracked as he acknowledged those who have died in the war.

"Each loss of life is heartbreaking," he said.

"And the best way to honor the sacrifice of our fallen troops is to complete the mission and lay the foundation of peace by spreading freedom."

Despite the mounting death toll and growing public dissatisfaction with the war, Bush said that the United States is making steady progress by killing enemy fighters, training Iraqi troops and guiding Iraq toward democracy.

He cautioned that ultimate victory in Iraq -- which he called the central front in the global war on terror -- would come only with patience, determination and continued sacrifice.

"This war will require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve," he said in a speech hosted by military spouses at Bolling Air Force Base.

"No one should underestimate the difficulties ahead; nor should they overlook the advantages we bring to this fight."

"Sacrifice is essential to winning war," he said, "and this war will require more sacrifice."


Bush, acknowledging war opponents, said those calling for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq were laboring under "a dangerous illusion, refuted by a simple question:

Would the United States and other free nations be more safe, or less safe, with (insurgency leader Abu Musab) Zarqawi and (al-Qaida leader Osama) bin Laden in control of Iraq, its people and its resources?"

"Our soldiers in Iraq need more than happy talk of progress from the President," Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass, said.

"These brave men and women in uniform sacrificed their lives for the cause of freedom and for the security of their fellow Americans," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

As Bush spoke, Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq, began a vigil in Lafayette Park, across the street from the White House.

Her roadside demonstration near Bush's Texas ranch last summer helped ignite the anti-war movement.

The liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org announced plans for television ads honoring the U.S. soldiers killed and 15,000 others wounded in the war.

The campaign is accompanied by plans for thousands of small vigils across the country tonight, which will feature protesters with signs saying "How many more?" and "Support our troops, bring them home."

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"And the best way to honor the sacrifice of our fallen troops is to complete the mission and lay the foundation of peace by spreading freedom."

At the risk of having this Lieutenant Colonel Steve Boylan put me on his "LIST" of subversives here in OUR America, I am going to stand up here and say that this sentence right above here is nothing but meaningless gibberish ....

"... Lay the foundation of peace by spreading freedom ...."

As though freedom were something like grass seed or frosting on a cake .....

Do you spread freedom with a trowel, I wonder ....

Or a spatula, perhaps ......

Or one of those fancy rigs that people in up-scale subdivisions have with the bin on wheels that you put grass seed in, and then push the thing around your lawn to "spread" grass seed .......

Did George W. Bush have a big one of those invented so that he can now spread FREEDOM .....

Put a fifty-two-and-a-half JUMBO ECONOMY-size bag of INSTANT FREEDOM in the hopper and push it back and forth, and LE VOILA ....

A garden of peace sprouts in your path of destruction ....

Or do you really spread freedom with laser-guided 500 or 2,000 pound bombs?

Do you spread freedom by wrapping villages in barbed wire, and by kicking down doors?

Keep in mind, America, that everything George W. Bush does in Iraqinam in the name of "FREEDOM" becomes something that he can then do over here ....

"Oh look, folks, yes, in fact, democracy REALLY CAN BE all these OTHER things, too ...."

"Oh, look, folks, this is all democracy really has to be ...."

I wonder what people think Karl Rove is really saying when he says that the REPUBLICAN PARTY is going to be DOMINANT here in OUR America for a long time to come?

Do people think he is kidding?

I guess they must ....

Hey, Sallust, look, it's still happening ....

Yes, Sallust, only a few here in America even have a concept of what LIBERTY is ....

As for the rest, they just suck their thumbs and hope for a kind master ......

And they got George W. Bush and Karl Rove to fulfill that task for them ....

Ah, well ...

Time is a loop, Sallust, time is a loop ....
Livyjr
BREAKING NEWS ......

Although it really is anti-climatic, in a way ....

"Bush stung as Miers withdraws nomination"

By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press
Last updated: 5:26 p.m., Thursday, October 27, 2005

WASHINGTON -- In a striking defeat for President Bush, White House counsel Harriet Miers withdrew her nomination to the Supreme Court on Thursday after three weeks of brutal criticism from fellow conservatives.

The Senate's top Republican predicted a replacement candidate within days.


Miers said she abandoned her quest for confirmation rather than give in to Senate demands for documents and information detailing her private advice to the president.

Senior lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee said they had made no such request.

Instead, Republicans and Democrats said politics forced her to withdraw, particularly the demands of Republican conservatives who twice elected Bush and now seek to move the high court to the right on abortion and other issues.

"They had a litmus test and Harriet Miers failed that test," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.,

"In effect, she was denied due process by members of her own party," said Sen. John Warner, a Virginia Republican.

And former GOP Sen. Dan Coats, whom the White House assigned to assist her win confirmation, said outside groups and pundits and "perhaps even some senators" had rushed to judgment.

Bush, beset by poor poll ratings, an unpopular war in Iraq, high energy prices and the possibility of indictments of White House officials, offered no hint about his thinking on a new nominee.

He pledged to make an appointment in a "timely manner."


While White House aides had assembled a lengthy list of contenders prior to Bush's selection of Miers less than a month ago, most if not all of them were prominent conservative jurists who could be expected to trigger a sharp clash with Democrats.

Other, less contentious contenders could come from outside what Bush calls the "judicial monastery," possibly a current or former senator who could easily win confirmation on a bipartisan vote.

Sen. John Cornyn, a former Texas Supreme Court judge, sidestepped when asked about his own availability, demurring without closing the door on an appointment.

"If the president calls me, obviously I'll answer the phone or go see him if he invites me to come to the White House, but that hasn't happened and I doubt it will happen," he said.

Whatever the next choice, many Republicans seemed eager to place Miers' nomination and the intra-party brawl it sparked behind them as quickly as possible.

"Let's move on," said Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi.

"In a month, who will remember the name Harriet Miers?"


Ironically for conservatives the withdrawal means an extended tenure for Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, whose vote has been decisive over the years on 5-4 rulings that upheld abortion rights, sustained affirmative action and limited the application of the death penalty.

Bush issued a statement saying the 60-year-old Miers would remain as White House counsel and praising "her extraordinary legal experience, her character, and her conservative judicial philosophy."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told reporters, "I expect a nominee quickly ... within days," and held out the possibility of confirmation hearings before Christmas.

The White House worked to depict the collapse of Miers' nomination as a simple matter of principle -- upholding executive privilege.

However, in an interview two weeks ago, Republican Arlen Specter, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, had said when asked about possible withdrawal:

"I think that would be a sign of incredible weakness."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Miers informed Bush of her decision Wednesday night.

In the Senate, Frist had been in periodic contact with officials at the White House on Wednesday, offering increasingly dour assessments of Miers' chances for success.

Frist's spokesman, Bob Stevenson, said the senator talked to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card during the evening to offer a "frank assessment of her prospects in the committee and the Senate as a whole."

In fact, her nomination never seemed to take hold in the Senate, given the surprise that greeted her appointment, her lack of experience as a judge, the sustained criticism from conservatives in the face of repeated endorsements from Bush.

"However nice, helpful, prompt and tidy she is, Harriet Miers isn't qualified to play a Supreme Court justice on 'The West Wing,' let alone to be a real one," conservative columnist Ann Coulter said in one of the more cutting comments.


Additionally, Miers failed to generate enthusiasm for her nomination in private meetings with individual senators, according to many lawmakers.

Some senators, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the sessions, described her as soft-spoken and reticent and difficult to draw out on the type of issues likely to come before the court.

There were fresh problems at mid-week, including the disclosure of a speech Miers delivered in 1993 that touched on the issues of abortion and voluntary school prayer.

"The underlying theme in most of these cases is the insistence of more self-determination."

"And the more I think about these issues, the more self-determination makes the most sense," she said, remarks that sparked fresh criticism from conservative groups.

Specter had released a letter stating he intended to question Miers about constitutional issues in the war on terror, including the administration's policy of open-ended detention of suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

He also said he wanted assurances that Miers would rule without showing "special deference" to Bush if confirmed.
Livyjr
"Hey, how come nobody's laughing, it was a good line ..."

Maybe five years ago, George, it might have been, as such things go ....

But not today .....

Not after you have been in charge now since 2000 ....

Saying things aren't working right down in Washington, D.C. today only puts the blame right at your own doorstep, George ....

Can't you see that?

And here, I am thinking of a conversation that comes about from listening to George W. Bush telling some conservative group or other yesterday that he was going to find money for the Iraqinam war by gutting social programs here in OUR America....

And as he said this, George W. Bush tried to make a joke to his audience about it coming as a surprise that down in Washington, D.C., there were a lot of programs that produced no results ....

A jab at Bill Clinton and the Democrats as if this were 1999, and not 2005, and George W. Bush was the contender, instead of the incumbent ....

Except Bill Clinton is now long gone, and the democrats don't control doodly-squat in America, let alone down there in Washington, D.C., which is REPUBLICAN-country, George .....

And so ......

There was silence ....

No laughter .....

And you could hear George W. Bush's thoughts as they were happening ....

"Hey, how come nobody's laughing, it was a good line ..."

SO ...

It's a circular conversation .....

As I listen to George W. Bush on the random times that I am out in public, and so either hear his voice, or actually see him on a television, I am forced to wonder at this man's view of the world ......

It is as if all he knows is "PATTER" .....

One liners .....

Cocktail bar kinds of trivia .....

And it don't work no more .....

Nobody laughs .....

And George wonders why ....

"Hey, it was a good line, how come nobody's laughing ..."
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 27 2005, 05:26 PM)
"Hey, it was a good line, how come nobody's laughing ..."
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"Sunni ambush kills 14 al-Sadr militiamen"

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:36 p.m., Thursday, October 27, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Sunni Arab militants killed 14 Shiite militiamen and a policeman Thursday in a clash southeast of Baghdad -- another sign of rising tensions among Iraq's rival ethnic and religious communities.

The U.S. military reported three more American soldiers died in combat.


The Shiite-Sunni fighting occurred after police and militiamen loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr raided a house in Nahrawan, 15 miles southeast of the capital, to free a militiaman taken hostage by Sunni militants, according to Amer al-Husseini, an aide to al-Sadr.

After freeing the hostage and capturing two militants, the Shiite militiamen were ambushed by the Sunnis on their way out of the religiously mixed town, al-Husseini said.

Police Lt. Thair Mahmoud said 14 others -- 12 militiamen and two policemen -- were wounded.

The incident underscores tensions among hard-line elements in Iraq's rival religious and ethnic communities at a time when the United States is struggling to promote a political process seen as key to calming the insurgency so that U.S. and other foreign troops can go home.

Both Shiites and Sunnis have accused one another of kidnappings and assassinations, especially in religiously mixed Baghdad neighborhoods and farming communities south and east of the capital.

Majority Shiites and minority Kurds generally support the Shiite-dominated government, while Sunni Arabs dominate the ranks of the insurgents.

Sectarian violence has complicated efforts by the United States and its coalition partners to promote a political process, which received a boost this week with the announcement that voters had approved the new constitution in the Oct. 15 referendum, despite strong opposition from the minority Sunni Arab community.

Ratification paves the way for parliamentary elections Dec. 15.

Some Sunni groups have decided to field candidates in the election, signaling a desire to participate in politics.

Most Sunnis boycotted the last parliamentary election in January.

U.S. officials hope Sunni Arab participation will draw away support for the Sunni-led insurgency and allow Washington to draw down forces in Iraq before midterm elections in November next year.

The U.S. command said two more Army soldiers were killed Wednesday when their convoy hit a roadside bomb in Baghdad.

Another U.S. soldier died Wednesday in an ambush 37 miles north of Baghdad, the military said.

Four other soldiers were wounded.

The deaths raised the U.S. military death toll to at least 2,004 since the start of the war in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.


U.S. Marines also killed three insurgents in fighting Thursday in Ramadi, capital of volatile Anbar province, 70 miles west of Baghdad.

With attention now focused on the December elections, Iraqi political parties are locked in intensive negotiations to put together lists of candidates, which must be submitted to the election commission by Friday.

Three Sunni Arab groups have announced they will field a joint candidate list, and the Shiite-dominated United Iraqi Alliance, which won 146 of the 275 seats in the January balloting, was meeting Thursday to try to put together a ticket.

Shiite politicians said the last-minute talks were an effort to convince Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi, a former Pentagon insider, to join the Alliance ticket.

Chalabi ran under the Alliance standard in January but is apparently holding out for a promise of a greater role if the Shiites control the next government.

"I think that Dr. Chalabi will be part of the United Iraqi Alliance," said Shiite politician Abbas al-Bayati.

"He is keen to be within the alliance and the alliance is keen to include him."

A Chalabi aide, Haidar al-Moussawi, confirmed that talks were under way with the alliance but said no agreement had been reached.

Another Chalabi aide, speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak for his boss, said Chalabi's followers wanted the same number of places on the ticket as bigger Shiite parties.

In addition, former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi is expected to announce his ticket this weekend.

Allawi, a secular Shiite, is trying to put together a ticket of secular-minded candidates from all ethnic and religious communities in a bid to appeal to voters tired of sectarian politics.

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Associated Press correspondents Mariam Fam and Qassim Abdul-Zahra contributed to this report from Baghdad.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 27 2005, 05:34 PM)
"Sunni ambush kills 14 al-Sadr militiamen" 
 
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:36 p.m., Thursday, October 27, 2005

The U.S. command said two more Army soldiers were killed Wednesday when their convoy hit a roadside bomb in Baghdad.

Another U.S. soldier died Wednesday in an ambush 37 miles north of Baghdad, the military said.

Four other soldiers were wounded.

The deaths raised the U.S. military death toll to at least 2,004 since the start of the war in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

I wonder at what Mars saw the last time it came through, close to earth, 60,000 years ago ....

"Mars to Swing Close to Earth This Weekend"

By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer

Thu Oct 27,11:44 AM ET

LOS ANGELES - Mars is ready for another close-up.

For the second time in nearly 60,000 years, the Red Planet will swing unusually close to Earth this weekend, appearing as a yellow twinkle in the night sky.


Mars' latest rendezvous will not match its record-breaking approach to Earth in 2003, when it hovered from 35 million miles away.

But more skygazers this time around can glimpse the fourth rock from the sun because it will glow above the horizon.

"This is the best we're going to see Mars, so we should strike the iron while it is hot," said Kelly Beatty, executive editor of Sky & Telescope magazine.

On Saturday, Mars' orbit will bring it 43.1 million miles away from Earth, with its closest pass scheduled for 11:25 p.m. EDT.

The two planets — normally separated by about 140 million miles — will not be this close again until 2018.

Mars will still seem small to the naked eye, appearing about the size of a penny seen from 620 feet away.

The rust-colored planet will be at its brightest this weekend, and no celestial body in that part of the sky will be as luminous, Beatty said.

Most backyard telescopes will see Mars as a small, brilliant ball.

Observers with more powerful instruments might be able to discern details on the planet's surface, including its southern ice cap and white clouds.

The orbiting Hubble Space Telescope will train its eyes on Mars during the passing, snapping close-ups as it did in 2003.
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On the Net:

Sky & Telescope magazine: http://skyandtelescope.com

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Too bad they did not give the quarter of the sky where Mars will be .....

Not everyone can see all of the horizon equally, and so, if one knows where the planet is going to be, one could find a better vantage point .....

Oh, well ....
Livyjr
"Iraqi troops get mission in hostile city"

By ANTONIO CASTANEDA, Associated Press
Last updated: 8:55 p.m., Wednesday, October 26, 2005

HADITHA, Iraq -- Two months after a crash course on the basics of soldiering, hundreds of Iraqi troops have been thrown into a bitter fight here -- tasked with helping keep the peace and restore local security forces in this restive Sunni Arab city.

Their introduction into western Iraq after a U.S.-led offensive this month represents a major shift for the U.S. military.

Previously, the United States had relied on Marines to rush periodically into this lawless area and push out insurgents.


At a time when more than 2,000 U.S. troops have died in Iraq, the training and placement of Iraqi troops -- especially into hostile and violent areas like Anbar province -- is considered a key step toward allowing American troops to draw down at some future point.

Now these Iraqi soldiers -- hundreds of them on their first patrols, and virtually all unfamiliar with the area -- are assigned the mission of helping Marines permanently keep out insurgents and block their path to Baghdad.

In the opening days of the most recent operation, Iraqi soldiers helped search homes and patrol streets and discovered some weapons caches, said Capt. John Webb, a trainer from League City, Texas.

However, no one knows how these soldiers will hold up in the long term against the battle-hardened militants who have in the past controlled this Euphrates River city of about 65,000 people, or how the Iraqi troops will eventually fight without Marines in the lead.

For now, their trainers say the soldiers are ready to fight only with heavy support from the U.S. military.

The trainers also acknowledge the program that readied them has glaring deficiencies.

For example, only 10 Marines trained an entire battalion of more than 500 men, working in crumbling buildings and often without basic supplies.

Inexperience and lack of training aren't the only problems.

More than 90 percent of the soldiers in one company are Shiites from other parts of Iraq, tasked with patrolling a Sunni Arab community that can be hostile to them.


In addition, the new Iraqi soldiers face intimidation and threats.

Earlier this year, insurgents killed a recruit's pregnant wife, father and brother.

Webb said the soldier was later institutionalized.

"These guys know the price, but they still want to serve," Webb said.

Webb is among those trainers who have developed personal ties to the Iraqi army he is helping put together.

Although Webb's own wife is eight months pregnant, he extended his deployment to guide his trainees through their first mission.

Iraqi soldiers say there is a shortage of Sunni troops from this region in the new army, partly because of fears of reprisals from insurgents.

Some Sunnis also sympathize with the insurgents.

"I think the people of Haditha want their sons to join the Iraqi army, but they are afraid," said Hadi, a Shiite soldier from Diwaniyah.

Like many Iraqi soldiers, he would give only his first name because of safety fears.

Iraqi soldiers have tried to compensate by reaching out to the community.

One company commander, Capt. Ahmed, worked the streets on his first visit to Haditha, rubbing the heads of babies and exchanging pleasantries with men.

A Sunni Arab, Ahmed also fears reprisals against his family and refused to allow his full name to be published or his face to be photographed.

Haditha residents are afraid to talk with the Iraqi troops.

"They are scared."

"They know terrorists are watching," Ahmed warned the Marines after hearing complaints from residents about a shortage of water and cooking fuel.

Ahmed, 33, is a realist who offered his own criticism of a U.S. approach to Iraq that could lead the Americans -- he believes -- to lose the war in his country.

"Too many bombs and not enough diplomacy with the Sunnis," he said as he sat in a small room in a schoolhouse that he shared with a half-dozen Marines.


Quiet and reserved, Ahmed thinks it also was a mistake to start the latest offensive into the city the night before Ramadan, the holiest Muslim holiday.

In other parts of the country, such as the Shiite south and Kurdish north, the Iraqi army and local militias have largely taken over security control, and now require only minimal help from coalition forces.

Iraqi troops also have patrolled large parts of Baghdad for months.

But in western Iraq, where Sunni Arab militants are thought to be concentrated, U.S. troops did not begin the process of deploying Iraqi troops until more than 2 1/2 years after their invasion.

They say that is in part because earlier efforts to create Iraqi police forces failed when the Iraqis fled after insurgent attacks.

About two companies of Iraqi troops were based within Hit over the summer, but a string of other cities and towns remain devoid of security forces.

The size of the U.S. and Iraqi force that will remain in the Haditha area has not been disclosed.

Although the U.S. military boasts that nearly 200,000 Iraqi troops have been trained, the problem lies in their abilities, many officers say.

The top U.S. commander in the Iraq, Gen. George Casey, acknowledged this month that only one Iraqi battalion -- fewer than 1,000 men -- was capable of fighting without U.S. help.

That's down from a previous estimate of three battalions.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 27 2005, 04:41 PM)
LOS ANGELES - Mars is ready for another close-up.

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EXTRA! EXTRA!

Close-up cancelled.

It's overcast in Los Angeles.
Snuffysmith
The Epic Crime That Dares Not Speak Its Name

By John Pilger

At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi leadership, counts one and two, "Conspiracy to wage aggressive war and waging aggressive war", refer to "the common plan or conspiracy". These are defined in the indictment as "the planning, preparation, initiation and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements and assurances". A wealth of evidence is now available that George Bush, Blair and their advisers did just that. The leaked minutes from the infamous Downing Street meeting in July 2002 alone reveal that Blair and his war cabinet knew that it was illegal.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10785.htm
Snuffysmith
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau10272005.html

Forgeries, Lies and Cover-ups
The Scandal isn't the Leak, But the Illegal War
By SAUL LANDAU

"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive!"

--Walter Scott

The conspiracy that bubbles around Judith Miller protecting a source -- whose name she couldn't remember -- and Robert Novak using his column to out undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame should soon evaporate. The next step should lead Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald to the heart of the matter: a much more pernicious conspiracy designed to mislead the United States into war with Iraq. The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.

Novak served as White House mastermind Karl Rove's press poodle. He punished former Ambassador Joseph Wilson by revealing his wife's name and ending her career on Juuly 14, 2003, eight days after Plame's husband revealed in a NY Times op-ed (July 6, 2003) the fraudulence of Bush Administration claims that Iraq had tried to purchase African uranium for its nuclear weapons program.

Instead of following the logic of Wilson's story, that the White House had conspired to lead the country into an unjust war, the media focused on the leak of a CIA' official's name. Reporters should have seen the Wilson story as one piece of a larger puzzle. They should have read Wilson's Times op ed and other stories as an opening to look for who had motive to forge a document and plant it, so that the media would get properly "spun" and accept this forged paper as proof of Saddam's perfidy.

Now, it begins to emerge that the White House undertook a major effort to mislead and manipulate the media and U.S. public opinion in general in order to get support for an unjust war.

In February 2002, the CIA had dispatched Wilson to investigate the claim based on this document that Iraq intended to buy nuclear material. When he returned from Niger, he reported that the evidence lacked credibility, but both Bush and Cheney refused to acknowledge his refutation. So he went public in the NY Times.

The unraveling of the Valerie Plame affair is but a step toward exposing this truly epic scam. Beyond compromising the identity of a CIA officer, the Bush administration had carried out what former intelligence official Larry Johnson called "a classic 'covert action' program against the citizens of the United States."

Part of this involved planting stories to "shape public opinion." Apparently, one member of the Coalition of the Willing, Italy under the right wing Berlusconi, agreed to fabricate reports dated in 2001 and 2002 that Iraq had reached an agreement with Niger to buy 500 tons of yellowcake uranium. When news of these reports supposedly reached Cheney's office, the Vice President requested that the Agency check the story. Thus, the CIA dispatched Wilson to verify the report in Africa.

The fabricator apparently did not expect Wilson to blow the whistle on them and report that the evidence on Saddam's nuclear program lacked credibility. . Nor did they conceive that a loyal public servant such as Wilson with a wife in the Agency would go public.

By mid 2002, the Bush campaign to invade Iraq was in full gear. Indeed, memos between Bush and Blair validated what Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski witnessed in the Office of Special Planning. Make up the facts and then report them as "intelligence."

"If one is seeking the answers to why peculiar bits of 'intelligence' found sanctity in a presidential speech, or why the post-Saddam occupation has been distinguished by confusion and false steps, one need look no further than the process inside the Office of the Secretary of Defense," wrote Kwiatkowski after she retired from the OSP position. July 31, 2003 by the Ohio Beacon Journal

She meant that top Rumsfeld aide, Douglas Feith, deliberately altered the methods of intelligence communication that the Pentagon routinely sent to State and CIA. Indeed, Kwiatkowski wrote that she "witnessed several cases of staff officers being told not to contact their counterparts at State or the NSC because that particular decision would be processed through a different channel." Like a virulent virus, the Cheney gang took over the OSP in what State Department Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson called "a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made" (MSNBC Oct 20, 2005).

Wilkerson charged them with "undermining democracy" (NY Times Oct 19) when they decided to make a case for war against Iraq, they had to invent stories. One of the scariest scenarios that Bush and Cheney presented to the public involved Saddam's nuclear threat. Apparently, one of Rumsefeld's aides persuaded his Italian intelligence cohorts to make up documents suggesting that Iraq was trying to buy weapons grade uranium form Niger.

Despite Wilson's report to the contrary and the doubt raised by veteran intelligence professionals, Cheney reiterated the Niger-Iraq connection accusation. On March 24, 2002, he appeared three times on TV shows and repeated that he knew Iraq was actively pursuing nuclear-weapons production.

Cheney had made nukes the center of his anti-Saddam argument. His staff apparently overruled State and CIA officials and insisted that the nuclear accusation remain in Bush's January 2003 State of the Union speech ­ the now tarnished 16 words.

Subsequently, Bush pointed the finger of blame at the CIA for giving him poor intelligence, but his own "cabal" had manufactured the very evidence that Bush later blamed for misleading him.

The outing of Plame appears as part of what Larry Johnson called a larger "pattern of manipulation and deceit." Judy Miller emerged as another key actor in the scenario designed to hype the war and fool the people.

On July 8, two days after Wilson revealed the hype over Iraq's nuclear weapons, Miller had a hush hush meeting with a top Cheney aide The still-classified National Intelligence Estimate, Libby told her, 'had firmly concluded that Iraq was seeking nuclear weapons.' According to a Newsweek web exclusive, Oct 19 2005 (Isikoff and Hosenbell), Libby leaked to Miller an NIE report that stated that Iraq planned to by uranium for a nuclear bomb.

"My notes show that Mr. Libby consistently steered our conversation back to the administration's nuclear claims," Miller wrote (NY Times October 16, 2005) "His main theme echoed that of other senior officials: that contrary to Mr. Wilson's criticism, the administration had had ample reason to be concerned about Iraq's nuclear capabilities based on the regime's history of weapons development, its use of unconventional weapons and fresh intelligence reports."

The intelligence veterans remained skeptical. How could Saddam possibly reconstruct such an effort in the midst of sanctions and bombing and after seven years (1991-98) in which the UN Weapons Inspection team had destroyed almost all of his capacity? Indeed, counterevidence seriously outweighed the report and Cheney's repeated claims.

Thanks to the prolonged investigation over the Plame case, some members of the media and the rest of the public have regained their bearings. Some reporters might even recall that right after Novak published Plame's name, Bush promised publicly that he would fire any staff involved.

In July, he weakened that threat to: "If someone committed a crime they will no longer work in my administration."

In fact, Bush may have privately reprimanded Karl Rove. But as the prosecutor kept bringing back Rove and Libby to the Grand Jury, rumors began to circulate that Cheney might resign because witnesses would implicate him in the leak scandal and that Bush himself might get tainted because he participated in conversations related to the Plame outing. Ironically, the conspirators lost control of one small piece of the plot to take the nation to war: the leaking of a name to punish a truth-teller and intimidate other potential whistle blowers.

Bush continues to act as if none of this concerns him and the justice of his war effort. The next time he says we're going to "stay the course" in Iraq, the Democrats should respond by claiming that Bush wants to stay the course of total failure and pay for it with the lives and maimed bodies of young men and women.

As adversity rains on the Republicans, their audacity gradually transforms itself into defensiveness and silence. Frustratingly, the Democrats cannot seem to avail themselves of Bush's deep problems and declining popularity. He fell well below 40% in late October.

The Democrats need to agree on a declaration calling the Iraq war wrong. They seem unable to say that Bush misled them into voting for the war and, most importantly, that the nation should immediately withdraw its armed forces.

Saul Landau is a fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies.
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Oct 27 2005, 06:18 PM)
EXTRA! EXTRA!

Close-up cancelled.

It's overcast in Los Angeles.

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I wonder if this close encounter with Mars will spur George W. Bush to try an invasion while his logisitics lines are shorter ....

He don't like Martians ....

They don't fawn after him in the proper way ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 27 2005, 09:53 PM)
"The Epic Crime That Dares Not Speak Its Name"

By John Pilger

At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi leadership, counts one and two, "Conspiracy to wage aggressive war and waging aggressive war", refer to "the common plan or conspiracy".

These are defined in the indictment as "the planning, preparation, initiation and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements and assurances".

A wealth of evidence is now available that George Bush, Blair and their advisers did just that.

The leaked minutes from the infamous Downing Street meeting in July 2002 alone reveal that Blair and his war cabinet knew that it was illegal.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10785.htm
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Well, Snuffysmith .....

Now we get to where the rubber meets the road, as we say out here in the country ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 27 2005, 10:04 PM)
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau10272005.html

"Forgeries, Lies and Cover-ups - The Scandal isn't the Leak, But the Illegal War"

By SAUL LANDAU

"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive!"

--Walter Scott

The conspiracy that bubbles around Judith Miller protecting a source -- whose name she couldn't remember -- and Robert Novak using his column to out undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame should soon evaporate.

The next step should lead Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald to the heart of the matter: a much more pernicious conspiracy designed to mislead the United States into war with Iraq.

The crime to name a covert CIA official pales in comparison with conspiring to lead the nation to war under false pretenses.

America the MIGHTY is paralyzed by a pack of lies ....

Amazing ....
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 28 2005, 05:10 AM)
America the MIGHTY is paralyzed by a pack of lies ....

Amazing ....
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Not amazing at all...

SHAMEFUL.

DISGRACEFUL.
Livyjr
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MSNBC Live Vote as of 4:25 P.M. EST

Do you think the charges in the CIA leak probe are fair? * 153309 responses

Yes - Someone in the Bush administration broke the law. 71%

No - This case is all about politics. 26%

I don't know. 4%

"Cheney adviser resigns after indictment"

By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:15 p.m., Friday, October 28, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., was indicted Friday on charges of obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements in the CIA leak investigation, a politically charged case that could cast a harsh light on President Bush's push to war.

Libby, 55, resigned and left the White House.

Karl Rove, Bush's closest adviser, escaped indictment Friday but remained under investigation, his legal status shadowing a White House already in trouble.

The U.S. military death toll in Iraq exceeded 2,000 this week, and the president's approval ratings are at the lowest point since he took office in 2001.


Bush praised Libby's service and said he is "presumed innocent and entitled to due process."

Friday's charges stemmed from a two-year investigation by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald into whether Rove, Libby or any other administration officials knowingly revealed the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame or misled investigators about their involvement.

In the end, Fitzgerald accused Libby of a cover-up -- lying about his conversations with reporters.

He was not charged with outing a spy.

"Mr. Libby's story that he was at the tail end of a chain of phone calls, passing on from one reporter what he heard from another, was not true."

"It was false," the prosecutor said.

"He was at the beginning of the chain of the phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter."

"And he lied about it afterward, under oath, repeatedly."


Libby's indictment is a political embarrassment for the president, paving the way for a possible trial renewing the focus on the administration's faulty rationale for going to war against Iraq -- the erroneous assertion that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction.

It could also mean that Vice President Dick Cheney, who prizes secrecy, will be called upon as a witness to explain why the administration launched a campaign against Plame's husband, diplomat Joseph Wilson, a critic of the war who questioned Bush's assertion that Iraq had sought nuclear material.

The indictment said the vice president advised Libby that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA but the vice president was not the first administration official to tell him about it.

At a news conference, Fitzgerald said the inquiry was substantially complete, though he added ominously, "It's not over."

He declined to comment about Rove's involvement.

Asked about Cheney, he said: "I'm not making allegations about anyone not charged in the indictment."

The grand jury indictment charged Libby with one count of obstruction of justice, two of perjury and two of making false statements.

If convicted on all five, he could face as much as 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines.

Democrats suggested the indictment was just the tip of the iceberg.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the case was "about how the Bush White House manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to bolster its case for the war in Iraq and to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the president."

Cheney and several other officials were mentioned by title in the 22-page indictment, but no one besides Libby was charged.

Libby is considered Cheney's alter ego, a chief architect of the war with Iraq.

A trial would give the public a rare glimpse into Cheney's influential role in the West Wing and his behind-the-scenes lobbying for war.

Bush ordered U.S. troops to war in March 2003, saying Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program posed a grave and immediate threat to the United States.

No such weapons were found.


After the indictment was announced, Libby submitted his resignation to White House chief of staff Andy Card.

It was accepted and Libby left the grounds.

Card notified Bush.

Cheney issued a statement saying he had accepted Libby's resignation "with deep regret."

He added that Libby was entitled to a presumption of innocence in the case and praised his longtime aide as "one of the most capable and talented individuals I have ever known."

Rove's lawyer said he was told by special prosecutor Fitzgerald's office that investigators would continue their probe into the aide's conduct.

The lack of an indictment against Rove was a mixed outcome for the administration.

It keeps in place the president's top adviser, the architect of his political machine whose fingerprints can be found on virtually every policy that emerges from the White House.

But leaving Rove in legal jeopardy keeps Bush and his team working on problems like the Iraq war, a Supreme Court vacancy and slumping poll ratings beneath a dark cloud of uncertainty.

Sen. Edward M Kennedy, D-Mass., said the indictment marked a "signifying a new low since Watergate in terms of openness and honesty in our government."

Sen. John Kerry, who ran unsuccessfully against Bush last year, called the case "evidence of White House corruption at the very highest levels."

Hoping to contain the damage, Republicans distanced themselves from Libby.

Several welcomed his resignation.


Others said the legal system should run its course.

"It's time to stop the leaks and spin and turn Washington into one big recovery meeting where people say what they mean and mean what they say," said Rep. Jim Ramstad, R-Minn.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said through a spokesman that the Senate won't investigate the CIA leak.

The indictment alleges that Libby began digging for details about Wilson, Plame's husband and an Iraq war critic, well before the former ambassador went public July 6, 2003, in a newspaper opinion piece with his criticism of the Bush administration's use of faulty prewar intelligence on Iraq's nuclear ambitions.

Libby made his first inquiries about Wilson's travel to Niger in late May 2003 -- a trip the government sent him on in early 2002 to check on reports that Saddam was trying to buy uranium -- and by June 11 Libby was informed by a CIA official that Wilson's wife worked for the agency and might have sent him on the trip.

On June 12, 2003, the indictment alleges, Libby heard directly from Cheney that Plame worked for the spy agency.

"Libby was advised by the vice president of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA in the counterproliferation division."

"Libby understood that the vice president had learned this information from the CIA," Fitzgerald said.

A short time later, Libby began spreading information to reporters, starting with The New York Times' Judith Miller on June 23.


The indictment says a substantial number of people in the White House knew about Plame's CIA status before the publication of Robert Novak's column on July 14, 2003, including former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, who was mentioned by title and not name.

Rove's potential legal problems stem in part from the fact that he failed initially to disclose to prosecutors a conversation in which he told Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA.

Rove says the conversation slipped his mind.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 28 2005, 02:44 PM)
MSNBC Live Vote as of 4:25 P.M. EST

Do you think the charges in the CIA leak probe are fair? * 153309 responses 

Yes - Someone in the Bush administration broke the law. 71% 

No - This case is all about politics. 26% 

I don't know. 4% 

"Cheney adviser resigns after indictment" 
 
By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:15 p.m., Friday, October 28, 2005

"Mr. Libby's story that he was at the tail end of a chain of phone calls, passing on from one reporter what he heard from another, was not true."

"It was false," the prosecutor said.

"He was at the beginning of the chain of the phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter."

"And he lied about it afterward, under oath, repeatedly."


Libby is considered Cheney's alter ego, a chief architect of the war with Iraq.

Watch SCOOTER scoot, alright .....

"Charges Don't Directly Address CIA Leak"

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

24 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's first charges in the White House leak case don't get to the heart of his two-year probe: the leak.

The indictment of vice presidential adviser I. Lewis "Scooter' Libby Jr. is built on charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury — and it will rest primarily on testimony from a handful of Washington reporters.

"In some ways it seems less satisfying," said Michael Cahill, a Brooklyn Law School professor, adding that false statements might have impeded the probe into whether top Bush administration officials knowingly revealed the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame[/u].


Steven Reich, a New York attorney and former senior associate counsel to President Bill Clinton, said Fitzgerald has his reasons for not charging anyone with the leak.

"Either he thought there was not a crime, or he thought he couldn't prove it."

"No one will know which but him," he said.

It may have been smart strategy, however, for the prosecutor to go with safer charges, considering the stakes in investigating the highest levels of the White House.

"Perjury and false statement can be remarkably easy to prove," said Andrew D. Levy, a criminal defense lawyer in Baltimore who teaches at the University of Maryland.

"So often it's the cover-up that ensnares people."

Levy said the indictment is "very narrow, very focused: it follows, very provable."

The indictment alleges that Libby lied about his conversations with reporters.

Witnesses at the trial will likely include Tim Russert of NBC News, Matt Cooper of Time Magazine and New York Times reporter Judith Miller, all of whom testified before the grand jury that returned Friday's indictment.

Erwin Chemerinsky, a Duke Law School professor, said it is not unusual for criminal probes to change their focus.

"What brought down the Nixon administration wasn't the burglary itself, but the cover-up of it," Chemerinsky said, adding that what caused Clinton's impeachment "wasn't that he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky but he lied about it."

The charges in the Friday indictment are similar to the ones used in Martha Stewart's criminal case.

She was convicted last year for obstructing justice and lying about why she sold ImClone Systems stock, just before a negative government decision on an ImClone drug.

She served a five-month prison term followed by home confinement.

"Very rarely do obstruction of justice cases and perjury cases come as neatly tied as Martha Stewart's ... it is by no means a slam dunk," said Viet Dinh, a law professor at Georgetown University and former Justice Department lawyer in the Bush administration.

The prosecutor must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby "knowingly and willfully" made false statements and lied to the grand jury.

He could claim that any misstatements were not intentional.

"These are sophisticated people," Mark A. Godsey, a University of Cincinnati law professor, said of the top White House advisers.

"Playing dumb, the jury might not buy that."

"At the same time they're extremely busy."

"Are they in the loop or not in the loop?"

Libby, a Columbia University law school graduate, has not been in trouble before.

"Although it always helps a criminal defendant not to have a criminal record, a D.C. jury will be open to the idea that politicians are willing to lie," said Gabriel J. Chin, a criminal law professor at the University of Arizona.

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I'm sure open to the idea that politicians are willing to lie ....

It has become the trademark of the trade, actually ....

Politics is now a synonym for a liar who does so intentionally, with intent to deceive .......
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 28 2005, 02:44 PM)
"Cheney adviser resigns after indictment" 
 
By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:15 p.m., Friday, October 28, 2005

"And he lied about it afterward, under oath, repeatedly."

Libby is considered Cheney's alter ego, a chief architect of the war with Iraq.

"Text of Fitzgerald news conference"

Associated Press
Last updated: 4:47 p.m., Friday, October 28, 2005

A text of the statement by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald at Friday's news conference on the CIA leak investigation, as transcribed by CQ Transcriptions:

FITZGERALD: Good afternoon.

I'm Pat Fitzgerald.

I'm the United States attorney in Chicago, but I'm appearing before you today as the Department of Justice special counsel in the CIA leak investigation.

Joining me, to my left, is Jack Eckenrode, the special agent in charge of the FBI office in Chicago, who has led the team of investigators and prosecutors from day one in this investigation.

A few hours ago, a federal grand jury sitting in the District of Columbia returned a five-count indictment against I. Lewis Libby, also known as Scooter Libby, the vice president's chief of staff.

The grand jury's indictment charges that Mr. Libby committed five crimes.

The indictment charges one count of obstruction of justice of the federal grand jury, two counts of perjury and two counts of false statements.

Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.

Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer.

In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified.

Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.

Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well-known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us.

It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.

Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003.

The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

But Mr. Novak was not the first reporter to be told that Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie, worked at the CIA.

Several other reporters were told.

In fact, Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson.

Now, something needs to be borne in mind about a criminal investigation.

I recognize that there's been very little information about this criminal investigation, but for a very good reason.

It may be frustrating when investigations are conducted in secret.

When investigations use grand juries, it's important that the information be closely held.

So let me tell you a little bit about how an investigation works.

Investigators do not set out to investigate the statute, they set out to gather the facts.

It's critical that when an investigation is conducted by prosecutors, agents and a grand jury they learn who, what, when, where and why.

And then they decide, based upon accurate facts, whether a crime has been committed, who has committed the crime, whether you can prove the crime and whether the crime should be charged.

Agent Eckenrode doesn't send people out when $1 million is missing from a bank and tell them, "Just come back if you find wire fraud."

If the agent finds embezzlement, they follow through on that.

That's the way this investigation was conducted.

It was known that a CIA officer's identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak.

We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it.

And, given that national security was at stake, it was especially important that we find out accurate facts.

There's another thing about a grand jury investigation.

One of the obligations of the prosecutors and the grand juries is to keep the information obtained in the investigation secret, not to share it with the public.

And, as frustrating as that may be for the public, that is important because, the way our system of justice works, if information is gathered about people and they're not charged with a crime, we don't hold up that information for the public to look at.

We either charge them with a crime or we don't.

And that's why we've safeguarded information here to date.

But as important as it is for the grand jury to follow the rules and follow the safeguards to make sure information doesn't get out, it's equally important that the witnesses who come before a grand jury, especially the witnesses who come before a grand jury who may be under investigation, tell the complete truth.

It's especially important in the national security area.

The laws involving disclosure of classified information in some places are very clear, in some places they're not so clear.

And grand jurors and prosecutors making decisions about who should be charged, whether anyone should be charged, what should be charged, need to make fine distinctions about what people knew, why they knew it, what they exactly said, why they said it, what they were trying to do, what appreciation they had for the information and whether it was classified at the time.

Those fine distinctions are important in determining what to do.

That's why it's essential when a witness comes forward and gives their account of how they came across classified information and what they did with it that it be accurate.

That brings us to the fall of 2003.

When it was clear that Valerie Wilson's cover had been blown, investigation began.

And in October 2003, the FBI interviewed Mr. Libby.

Mr. Libby is the vice president's chief of staff.

He's also an assistant to the president and an assistant to the vice president for national security affairs.

The focus of the interview was what it was that he had known about Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, what he knew about Ms. Wilson, what he said to people, why he said it, and how he learned it.

And, to be frank, Mr. Libby gave the FBI a compelling story.

What he told the FBI is that essentially he was at the end of a long chain of phone calls.

He spoke to reporter Tim Russert, and during the conversation Mr. Russert told him that, "Hey, do you know that all the reporters know that Mr. Wilson's wife works at the CIA?"

And he told the FBI that he learned that information as if it were new, and it struck him.

So he took this information from Mr. Russert and later on he passed it on to other reporters, including reporter Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, reporter Judith Miller of The New York Times.

And he told the FBI that when he passed the information on on July 12th, 2003, two days before Mr. Novak's column, that he passed it on understanding that this was information he had gotten from a reporter, that he didn't even know if it was true.

And he told the FBI that when he passed the information on to the reporters he made clear that he did know if this were true.

This was something that all the reporters were saying and, in fact, he just didn't know and he wanted to be clear about it.

Later, Mr. Libby went before the grand jury on two occasions in March of 2004.

He took an oath and he testified.

And he essentially said the same thing.

He said that, in fact, he had learned from the vice president earlier in June 2003 information about Wilson's wife, but he had forgotten it, and that when he learned the information from Mr. Russert during this phone call he learned it as if it were new.

When he passed the information on to reporters Cooper and Miller late in the week, he passed it on thinking it was just information he received from reporters; that he told reporters that, in fact, he didn't even know if it were true.

He was just passing gossip from one reporter to another at the long end of a chain of phone calls.

It would be a compelling story that will lead the FBI to go away, if only it were true.

It is not true, according to the indictment.

In fact, Mr. Libby discussed the information about Valerie Wilson at least half a dozen times before this conversation with Mr. Russert ever took place, not to mention that when he spoke to Mr. Russert, Mr. Russert and he never discussed Valerie Wilson or Wilson's wife.

He didn't learn it from Mr. Russert.

But if he had, it would not have been new at the time.

Let me talk you through what the indictment alleges.

The indictment alleges that Mr. Libby learned the information about Valerie Wilson at least three times in June of 2003 from government officials.

Let me make clear there was nothing wrong with government officials discussing Valerie Wilson or Mr. Wilson or his wife and imparting the information to Mr. Libby.

But in early June, Mr. Libby learned about Valerie Wilson and the role she was believed to play in having sent Mr. Wilson on a trip overseas from a senior CIA officer on or around June 11th, from an undersecretary of state on or around June 11th, and from the vice president on or about June 12th.

It's also clear, as set forth in the indictment, that some time prior to July 8th he also learned it from somebody else working in the Vice President's Office.

So at least four people within the government told Mr. Libby about Valerie Wilson, often referred to as Wilson's wife, working at the CIA and believed to be responsible for helping organize a trip that Mr. Wilson took overseas.

In addition to hearing it from government officials, it's also alleged in the indictment that at least three times Mr. Libby discussed this information with other government officials.

It's alleged in the indictment that on June 14th of 2003, a full month before Mr. Novak's column, Mr. Libby discussed it in a conversation with a CIA briefer in which he was complaining to the CIA briefer his belief that the CIA was leaking information about something or making critical comments, and he brought up Joe Wilson and Valerie Wilson.

It's also alleged in the indictment that Mr. Libby discussed it with the White House press secretary on July 7th, 2003, over lunch.

What's important about that is that Mr. Libby, the indictment alleges, was telling Mr. Fleischer something on Monday that he claims to have learned on Thursday.

In addition to discussing it with the press secretary on July 7th, there was also a discussion on or about July 8th in which counsel for the vice president was asked a question by Mr. Libby as to what paperwork the Central Intelligence Agency would have if an employee had a spouse go on a trip.

So that at least seven discussions involving government officials prior to the day when Mr. Libby claims he learned this information as if it were new from Mr. Russert.

And, in fact, when he spoke to Mr. Russert, they never discussed it.

But in addition to focusing on how it is that Mr. Libby learned this information and what he thought about it, it's important to focus on what it is that Mr. Libby said to the reporters.

In the account he gave to the FBI and to the grand jury was that he told reporters Cooper and Miller at the end of the week, on July 12th.

And that what he told them was he gave them information that he got from other reporters; other reporters were saying this, and Mr. Libby did not know if it were true.

And in fact, Mr. Libby testified that he told the reporters he did not even know if Mr. Wilson had a wife.

And, in fact, we now know that Mr. Libby discussed this information about Valerie Wilson at least four times prior to July 14th, 2003:

on three occasions with Judith Miller of The New York Times and on one occasion with Matthew Cooper of Time magazine.

The first occasion in which Mr. Libby discussed it with Judith Miller was back in June 23rd of 2003, just days after an article appeared online in The New Republic which quoted some critical commentary from Mr. Wilson.

After that discussion with Judith Miller on June 23rd, 2003, Mr. Libby also discussed Valerie Wilson on July 8th of 2003.

During that discussion, Mr. Libby talked about Mr. Wilson in a conversation that was on background as a senior administration official.

And when Mr. Libby talked about Wilson, he changed the attribution to a former Hill staffer.

During that discussion, which was to be attributed to a former Hill staffer, Mr. Libby also discussed Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, working at the CIA -- and then, finally, again, on July 12th.

In short -- and in those conversations, Mr. Libby never said, "This is something that other reporters are saying"; Mr. Libby never said, "This is something that I don't know if it's true"; Mr. Libby never said, "I don't even know if he had a wife."

At the end of the day, what appears is that Mr. Libby's story that he was at the tail end of a chain of phone calls, passing on from one reporter what he heard from another, was not true.

It was false.

He was at the beginning of the chain of phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter.

And then he lied about it afterwards, under oath and repeatedly.

Now, as I said before, this grand jury investigation has been conducted in secret.

I believe it should have been conducted in secret, not only because it's required by those rules, but because the rules are wise.

Those rules protect all of us.

We are now going from a grand jury investigation to an indictment, a public charge and a public trial.

The rules will be different.

But I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that all citizens are bound by the law.

But what we need to also show the world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our citizens, including high officials.

Much as they must be bound by the law, they must follow the same rules.

So I ask everyone involved in this process, anyone who participates in this trial, anyone who covers this trial, anyone sitting home watching these proceedings to follow this process with an American appreciation for our values and our dignity.


Let's let the process take place.

Let's take a deep breath and let justice process the system.

I would be remiss at this point if I didn't thank the team of investigators and prosecutors who worked on it, led by Agent Eckenrode, or particularly the staff under John Dion from the counterespionage section in the Department of Justice; Mr. (Peter) Zeidenberg from Public Integrity, as well as the agents from the Washington field office and my close friends in the Chicago U.S. attorney's office, all of whom contributed to a joint effort.
Livyjr
And while we are on the subject of "PRESS POODLES" and MEA CULPAS ........

"Publisher: NYT Slow in Correcting Coverage"

By MICHAEL WEISSENSTEIN, Associated Press Writer

1 hour, 10 minutes ago

NEW YORK - New York Times Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. said Friday that the newspaper was far too slow in correcting its reports indicating Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but the blame did not lie entirely with Judith Miller, the author of many of the stories.

In a speech to the Online News Association, Sulzberger also defended Miller's decision to go to jail to protect the identity of her source, vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Miller was released last month after agreeing to testify to the grand jury that indicted Libby on Friday on charges of obstruction of justice, making a false statement and perjury.


Sulzberger acknowledged the criticism of Miller, who in the wake of her release from jail has been described on the pages of the Times as untruthful to her editors and difficult to control.

"As the lawyers often say, not every case has a perfect fact pattern," he said.

Confidential sources are and will remain key to thorough coverage of Washington, Sulzberger said.

The next source needing protection might be a brave Pentagon whistle-blower leaking information about a vital story such as the Pentagon papers or the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, Sulzberger said.

When asked by a member of the audience whether he thought the Times' credibility had been hurt by what the questioner termed its failure to fire Miller, he responded, "No, I don't."

He added, however, "There's no question that the Times suffered" and its reputation was hurt by the cumulative effect of the ongoing controversy.

In his address, Sulzberger said the failure not to quickly correct the Iraqi weapons reports rested also with the Times' many editors.

"It was an institutional failure."

"We didn't own up to it quickly enough," he said.

"The story is not over."


Asked after the speech whether he was referring to ongoing developments in Washington or the status of Miller's relationship with the Times, he said he left that deliberately ambiguous and preferred not to be more specific.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 28 2005, 03:49 PM)
And while we are on the subject of "PRESS POODLES" and MEA CULPAS ........

Subject: The gritty cop vs. The rhinestone cowboy.

Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:53:23 -0800

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5102602524.html

"This Time, the Prosecutor's a Corker"

By Tina Brown

Thw Washington Post
Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page C01

It's one of the ironies of our media culture that the mystique of Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the Valerie Plame case, grew to mythic size simply by virtue of Fitzgerald keeping his mouth shut until he has something to say.

Manhattan media circles have been so excited by Fitzgerald's silence right up to the eve of the grand jury's term tomorrow that they've forgotten his casting as a First Amendment assassin and turned him into a cross between Philip Marlowe and the Shadow: fearless, honest, independent, laconic and unstoppable.

Especially laconic -- and on that point they're demonstrably right.

Unlike Kenneth Starr's late, unlamented operation, neither Fitzgerald nor anyone around him leaks.

"Incorruptibility by money is the old story," the New Republic's Leon Wieseltier commented to me this week.

"Now it's incorruptibility by media."

That's the new integrity standard: How long can you hold out?

How long can you turn down the entreaties of the "Today" show?

The seductive power of "deep background?"

The lure of A-list dinner invitations?

Fitzgerald has shown no interest in any such media baubles.

His silence has been another kind of shock and awe, especially at a moment when the media themselves can't stop blabbing.

NBC Universal CEO Bob Wright was quoted this week in the New York Post as saying the NBC network is "desperate" because of its ratings.

Last week's hand-wringing e-mail to the New York Times staff from Executive Editor Bill Keller was another noisy session on the couch for the paper of record.

Keller "wished" that "we had dealt with the controversy over our coverage of WMD as soon as I became executive editor."

He "wished" that "when I learned Judy Miller had been subpoenaed as a witness in the leak investigation I had sat her down for a thorough debriefing."

Wishin' and hopin', hopin' and wishin'.

By the end of the e-mail, the reader is wishin' that Keller would stop abasing himself before his own staff -- and hopin' he'll fire somebody for a change.

Meanwhile, Fitzgerald's powerful silence has made him a blank canvas on which Democrats have projected their fantasies, Republicans their anxieties.

We are living in an uneasy moment of moral crisis and institutional disintegration in politics as well as journalism.

No administration as tightly wound and paranoiac as the Bush regime could hope to hold together after five years of supremacy and sectarian ruthlessness, governing only for its base.

Fitzgerald has been thrust into the role of the un-George W. Bush -- the gritty cop vs. the rhinestone cowboy.


In this corner, the scholarship kid from Brooklyn who worked summers as a doorman and went on to be the stellar student mentoring the less gifted.

In the other, the son of privilege who goofed off at school, ducked the draft and always fell back on his dad's influential pals to -- in the memorable phrase of Colin Powell's former chief of staff Lawrence Wilkerson, writing this week in the Los Angeles Times about Powell's role in the Bush White House -- clean all the dog poop off the carpet.

It's hard not to see Fitzgerald as the possessor of authentic traditional American virtues.

Fitzgerald deals in facts, and lets facts speak for themselves.

Bush talks ceaselessly of faith.

The prosecutor is all about substance, the president all about surface.

In nominating his personal attorney to the most august thinking body in the land, the Supreme Court, the president was caught showing the dismissive view he's always held of intellectual depth and scholarly accomplishment.

Fitzgerald's noir mystique was only strengthened this week by news accounts relating that in contrast to the rapier focus of his mind, Fitzgerald lives in a bachelor apartment with old socks stuffed in the desk drawer and three-month-old lasagna stiffening in the oven.

Remember how in the first year of the Bush II presidency there was constant promotion of this administration's crisp corporate values?

New-broom indicators like the CEO starting every meeting on time and retiring to bed at 10 p.m. were supposed to signify that personal discipline was a sign of intellectual rigor.

But an empty desk can sometimes mean an empty head, one that's comfortable only with spoon-fed executive summaries and filtered "coverage" instead of self-processed information.

"It takes firm leadership to preside over the bureaucracy," Wilkerson wrote in his startling blast against Bush.

"But it also takes a willingness to listen to dissenting opinions."

"It requires leaders who can analyze, synthesize, ponder and decide."

Republicans have been searching for a handle on Fitzgerald.

They are trying, seemingly unconsciously, to offload onto him their own bad faith left over from the Clinton impeachment fiasco.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison's shameless display on Sunday's "Meet the Press" was the cake taker.

Hutchison had the gall to blandly rabbit on about overzealous prosecutors and perjury just being an itsy-bitsy crime.


The narrative of Clinton's impeachment is being replayed, only this time without such incidental grotesqueries as a thong-snapping intern and a prissball prosecutor leaking like a fire hose and the recourse to churchy lines like "sex isn't the issue, the issue is lying."

It's one thing to say, "If he'll lie about sex, he'll lie about something important."

But what if the thing being lied about is already important?

For Democrats, the prospect of indictments coming down feels like poetic justice for five years of cynicism and sanctimony.

We thought we wanted transparency from the Bush administration.

Now we're getting it, thanks to Fitzgerald (and no thanks to the White House), and it feels ominous.

We've already had a preview of what the Bush presidency will look like with its Praetorian Guard down.

Karl Rove's absence with kidney stones and his legal distractions in the last six weeks gave us a glimpse of the Bush presidency minus Bush's Brain: the out-to-lunch Katrina response, the botched Miers nomination.

At least before they could pretend to have their act together.

Now, as Thomas DeFrank's scoop in Monday's New York Daily News reveals, a panicky, irritable president is taking out his frustrations on what's left of his inner circle, which he could never see beyond to begin with.

It's not a reassuring spectacle.

With a full 39 months to go, Prince Hal is morphing into Prince Lear.

Little wonder we are obsessed with the strength and silence of Patrick Fitzgerald.

* * *

In last week's column, I commented on how two editors at the New York Times had been overruled by the managing editor, Gerald Boyd, regarding a Judy Miller report on WMD.

The two editors have confirmed their memory of the incident, but Boyd, whom I mistakenly did not speak to in advance, feels the account was misleading.

He says: "It was a 30-minute conversation in which we discussed Judy Miller's work and the role of those editors. As reduced in The Post, it has neither the context nor the truth of what we discussed, and I'm amazed that The Post would allow itself to be used by a person or people who have clear agendas in this."

2005Tina Brown
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 28 2005, 04:12 PM)
Subject: The gritty cop vs. The rhinestone cowboy.
 
"This Time, the Prosecutor's a Corker"

By Tina Brown

Thw Washington Post
Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page C01

We are living in an uneasy moment of moral crisis and institutional disintegration in politics as well as journalism.

No administration as tightly wound and paranoiac as the Bush regime could hope to hold together after five years of supremacy and sectarian ruthlessness, governing only for its base.

Fitzgerald has been thrust into the role of the un-George W. Bush -- the gritty cop vs. the rhinestone cowboy.


In nominating his personal attorney to the most august thinking body in the land, the Supreme Court, the president was caught showing the dismissive view he's always held of intellectual depth and scholarly accomplishment.

We thought we wanted transparency from the Bush administration.

Now we're getting it, thanks to Fitzgerald (and no thanks to the White House), and it feels ominous.

We've already had a preview of what the Bush presidency will look like with its Praetorian Guard down.

Karl Rove's absence with kidney stones and his legal distractions in the last six weeks gave us a glimpse of the Bush presidency minus Bush's Brain: the out-to-lunch Katrina response, the botched Miers nomination.

At least before they could pretend to have their act together.

Now, as Thomas DeFrank's scoop in Monday's New York Daily News reveals, a panicky, irritable president is taking out his frustrations on what's left of his inner circle, which he could never see beyond to begin with.

It's not a reassuring spectacle.

"Sources: Rove Won't Be Indicted Today"

By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST, Associated Press Writers

Fri Oct 28, 9:51 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Karl Rove escaped indictment in the CIA leak case Friday but remained under investigation as the embattled White House braced for charges against Vice President Dick Cheney's top adviser.

Rove's lawyer was told by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's office on Thursday that investigators had not completed their probe into Rove's conduct, said two people close to the Republican strategist, speaking only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

Rove's lawyers were told there still were matters to resolve before the prosecutor "decides what he is going to do, so Mr. Rove will not be indicted today," one of the people said Friday.

Fitzgerald scheduled a 2 p.m. EDT news conference in Washington, along with an FBI investigator in the case.

The news wasn't expected to be as favorable for Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

White House colleagues expected an indictment charging Libby with false statements in the probe.

The lack of an indictment against Rove is a mixed outcome for the administration.

It keeps in place the president's top adviser, the architect of his political machine whose fingerprints can be found on virtually every policy that emerges from the White House.


But leaving Rove in legal jeopardy keeps Bush and his team working on problems like the Iraq war, a Supreme Court vacancy and slumping poll ratings beneath a dark cloud of uncertainty.

Rove, who testified four times before the grand jury, has stepped back from some of his political duties such as speaking at fundraisers but is said to be otherwise immersed in his sweeping portfolio as deputy White House chief of staff.

Fitzgerald and his investigators have been trying to determine whether Rove, Libby or any other administration officials knowingly revealed the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame or lied about their involvement to investigators.

Her husband is diplomat Joseph Wilson, an opponent of the Iraq war who challenged Bush's assertion that Saddam Hussein was trying to secure nuclear materials.

Wilson has accused the White House of revealing his wife's identify to undercut his allegations against Bush.
Snuffysmith
Its not over until the fat lady sings, and she hasn't sung yet:


F.B.I. Is Still Seeking Source of Forged Uranium Reports:

A counterespionage official said that the inquiry into the documents, had yielded some intriguing but unproved theories. One is the possibility that associates of Ahmad Chalabi, the former Iraqi exile who was a leading champion of the American campaign to topple Saddam Hussein, had a hand in the forgery.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10802.htm
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 28 2005, 07:11 PM)
Its not over until the fat lady sings, and she hasn't sung yet:

it's the fat MAN, snuff.

And his name is...

ROVE
Snuffysmith
Quotable
That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
– Theodore Roosevelt
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 28 2005, 08:52 PM)
Quotable

That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.


– Theodore Roosevelt
*

Well, Snuffysmith ....

Here is a quote that should be plastered on billboards all over OUR America ....

Right now today ....

But it is that part about servility in there, Snuffysmith, that has us where we are today ...

Subservience and servility ....

Two traits that the PARTY BOSSES check carefully for when they are picking candidates for public office, at least up here in the corrupt REPUBLICAN EMPIRE of New York ....

This country is twisted way around from what was envisioned by our forefathers in liberty at the time of this nation's founding ....

And that is because of this servility and subservience .....

Old Teddy Roosevelt was in politics up here in the corrupt EMPIRE of New York way back when, and he was not popular with the bosses back then ...

And likely, he would be reviled by them, and Karl Rove today ....

Integrity ...

Don't come to politics in America today with integrity ....

People in America just don't like integrity ...

Which is why Karl Rove is the most powerful man in America today ....

He has his finger on the pulse of America, and he knows it well ...

Which is why he can manipulate it so, with such seeming ease ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Oct 28 2005, 08:27 PM)
it's the fat MAN, snuff.

And his name is...

ROVE

*

Maybe that old saying needs to be modified a bit here .....

For me anyway, this will all be beginning when the fat man starts to shriek upon being indicted ....

If that coincides with a fat lady somewhere singing out in joy, so be that ....

And if not, so be that too ...

As long as Karl shrieks ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 29 2005, 05:33 AM)
Subservience and servility ....

Two traits that the PARTY BOSSES check carefully for when they are picking candidates for public office, at least up here in the corrupt REPUBLICAN EMPIRE of New York ....

This country is twisted way around from what was envisioned by our forefathers in liberty at the time of this nation's founding ....

And that is because of this servility and subservience .....

And while we are on the subject of servility, subservience and no integrity ....

"Poll: Americans Give Congress Poor Marks"

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Only one-third of Americans give Congress good ratings for its ethics and honesty, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that found more evidence of the public's longstanding disdain for the legislative branch of government.

Investigations of two top congressional leaders have drawn more attention to Congress' low standings, though analysts say other factors such as the Iraq war and gas prices are likely contributors to the dip this year in Congress' ratings.

Almost half in the poll, 45 percent, give Congress poor marks for its honesty and ethics, and 21 percent said congressional ethics were neither good nor poor.


Congressional ethics have been in the spotlight recently with the probe of stock sales by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and the indictment of Texas Rep. Tom DeLay, former House majority leader, on charges of violating campaign finance laws.

DeLay recently notified House officials that he has failed to disclose all contributions to his legal defense fund.

"Public opinion about Congress is at low ebb," said John Hibbing, a University of Nebraska professor and a co-author of "Congress as Public Enemy."

But Hibbing said he doubts that recent news about Frist and DeLay are big factors.

"Congress always lags behind the other two institutions of government and most other institutions," he said.

"People don't really like to hear about conflict about important decisions."

Just over a third in the poll, 35 percent, approve of the way Congress is handling its job — down from 44 percent in February, according to the poll of 1,000 adults taken Oct. 3-5.

The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Recent polling has shown public regard for Republican leaders in Congress has dipped during the past year, but Democrats are down as well.

"We have the best Congress money can buy," said Greg Goldstein, a salesman from New York City who is a political independent.

"The entire political-economic system is very money-driven."


Republican pollster Ed Goeas said recently that it's lucky for the GOP that voters won't be focused on elections for another 10 months.

Republicans are more likely than Democrats to take a positive view of the honesty and ethics of Congress.

"I hear so many people talking about how dishonest they are, but I have a hard time believing they're as bad as people say," said Krista Gneiting, a Republican from Caldwell, Idaho.

"I have not heard much specifically about Bill Frist and Tom DeLay."
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 29 2005, 05:44 AM)
And while we are on the subject of servility, subservience and no integrity ....

"Indictment Adds to White House Woes"

By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer

1 hour, 4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - These are dark days for the White House.

And they could get darker.

Less than a year after winning re-election by a comfortable margin, President Bush's approval ratings are at the lowest since he took office in 2001 and he is being whipsawed this week by events, some of his own making.


_The U.S. death toll in Iraq hit 2,000 on Tuesday, a fresh reminder of the president's push to war over weapons of mass destruction that were never found.

_A special prosecutor took aim at White House officials in an investigation into the leak of a CIA agent's identity, a disclosure that may have been part of a campaign to discredit an Iraq war critic.

The vice president's chief of staff was indicted on five felony counts Friday, although top aide Karl Rove escaped charges for now.

_An insurrection of the president's conservative political base forced the withdrawal of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers on Thursday.

_Consumer confidence dropped, home sales were down and the number of people who lost their jobs because of Hurricane Katrina climbed above the half-million mark.

"There are times when no matter what you do it seems to blow up in your face, whether it's self-inflicted or inflicted from the outside," said Democratic consultant Joe Lockhart, who was President Clinton's press secretary during the impeachment flap.

In the face of such grim news, Bush is likely to follow the examples of Clinton and other embattled presidents and make a public display of his work ethic.

"The American people expect me to do my job, and I'm going to," Bush said, shrugging off the "background noise" of the CIA leak investigation.

White House officials have said they expect anybody indicted to leave the staff.

On Iraq, the president has given a series of speeches defending his war policies.

The approval of a new Iraqi constitution Oct. 15 is one of the few pieces of good news Bush had gotten this month.

The economy has been a baffling issue to Bush and his team.

They have not figured out how to convince the public that the economy is doing as well as experts say.

It's a hard sell when pension funds are going bankrupt, health care costs and gasoline prices are soaring and jobs are being shipped overseas.


That leaves the rift with conservatives.

The White House hopes that Miers fixed that problem by withdrawing.

Bush blamed her demise on a dispute with the Senate over access to White House documents, but that wasn't half the problem.

It was a family fight, an ugly one, between a conservative president and like-minded activists who consider themselves entitled to dictate his Supreme Court pick.

They helped him get elected twice.

They wanted a tried-and-true conservative on the bench, and Miers didn't cut it.

With independent and Democratic voters abandoning him in droves, Bush couldn't afford to make conservatives angry.

"The base is his last refuge at this point," said Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor.

"He's facing some daunting challenges," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.

"The way that political leaders move when they are facing challenges is back to their base."

Massachusetts' junior senator, John Kerry, put a more cynical spin on the Miers' withdrawal.

"Caught up in a wave of scandal and concerns about the war in Iraq, the president has allowed right-wing interest groups to decide the fate of his Supreme Court nominee rather than stand up to his ultraconservative base," he said.

Kerry would love to see Bush labeled a quick-to-yield politician.

Part of the reason Kerry lost to Bush in the 2004 race was that voters said they knew where the president stood even when they disagreed with him — and that he rarely wavered.

Now the president has given up on a woman he said was the most qualified in the nation.


Where else has Bush gone wrong?

His credibility, an asset just a year ago, was undercut when the Iraq war failed to live up to his promises and it was further damaged by his flat-footed response to Hurricane Katrina, according to strategists in both parties.

Even some Republicans believe that Bush made a mistake at the beginning of the year by spending so much postelection political capital on Social Security reform, an issue that few voters cited as a reason for backing him.

Others point to his staff, a talented and loyal group of fellow Texans and their friends who came into the second term bone-tired and short on fresh ideas.

Many helped Bush through the Sept. 11 attacks, two wars and a re-election.

Their intense loyalty may have led some advisers to challenge Joseph Wilson's credibility when he questioned Bush's evidence on Iraq and nuclear material.

The question Fitzgerald was appointed to explore is whether anybody crossed the line and purposely revealed that Wilson's wife was a spy.

"The bad news tends to breed bad news and oftentimes there is no way to get out of it other than to just wait it out," Lockhart said.

The best thing about bad news is it might get better.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: Ron Fournier has covered national politics for The Associated Press since 1993.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 28 2005, 02:55 PM)
Watch SCOOTER scoot, alright .....

"HUH ..."

"What was that?"

"I don't know nuthin ....."

"HANH?"

"I don't know a thing they are talking about ..."

"I DON'T KNOW NUTHIN, I'M TELLIN' YA'S ....."

"Libby Lawyer Plans Lack-of-Memory Defense"

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer

1 hour, 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The lawyer for Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide is outlining a possible criminal defense that is a time-honored tradition in Washington scandals: A busy official immersed in important duties cannot reasonably be expected to remember details of long-ago conversations.

Friday's indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby involves allegations that as Cheney's chief of staff he lied to FBI agents and a federal grand jury.

Libby, who resigned immediately, was operating amid "the hectic rush of issues and events at a busy time for our government," according to a statement released by his attorney, Joseph Tate.

"We are quite distressed the special counsel (Patrick Fitzgerald) has not sought to pursue alleged inconsistencies in Mr. Libby's recollection and those of others and to charge such inconsistencies as false statements," Tate continued.

"As lawyers, we recognize that a person's recollection and memory of events will not always match those of other people, particularly when they are asked to testify months after the events occurred."


The lack-of-memory defense has worked with varying degrees of success in controversies from Iran-Contra to Whitewater.

Only one person went to prison in the Iran-Contra affair, although several people pleaded guilty to making false statements.

President Clinton and his wife, Hillary, were cleared in the Whitewater investigation of fraudulent land deals in Arkansas, a subject well-suited to a lack-of-memory defense.

The land deals took place a decade before they came under criminal investigation.

Tate referred to another possible line of defense, saying that "for five years, through difficult times, Mr. Libby has done his best to serve our country."

That argument worked in the administration of President George H.W. Bush in 1992, though not in court.

Bush pardoned those in government who had been implicated in the Iran-Contra criminal investigation.

Among others, the pardons went to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, whose trial was scuttled.


The case against Libby: He testified that he learned from NBC correspondent Tim Russert the identity of a covert CIA officer who is the wife of Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson.

Russert says they never discussed it.

The facts, prosecutor Fitzgerald said, are that the month before the conversation with Russert, Libby learned about the CIA status of Valerie Plame from Cheney, from a senior CIA officer and from an undersecretary of state.

But Libby told the FBI and the grand jury that he informed reporters Matt Cooper of Time magazine and Judith Miller of The New York Times information about Wilson's wife that he had gotten from other reporters — information that Libby said he did not know to be true.

Libby testified that he told the reporters he did not even know if Wilson had a wife.

But Fitzgerald said that rather than being at the end of a chain of phone calls from reporters, Libby "was at the beginning of the chain of phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter."

"And then he lied about it afterwards."

The indictment points to interesting behavior by Libby that changed once Wilson went public with his criticism of the current Bush administration.

The former ambassador accused the administration of twisting pre-war intelligence on Iraq's nuclear weapons program to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.

Early on, the indictment said, Libby became concerned about an article in The New Republic magazine that referred to Wilson, though not by name, as having gone to Africa for the CIA to investigate allegations that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger.

The unnamed ambassador was quoted as saying the "Niger story was a flat-out lie."

The indictment said Libby told his deputy there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing information about the trip and that Libby could not discuss the matter on a non-secure telephone line."

After Wilson criticized the Bush administration on NBC's "Meet the Press," Libby had lunch with then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer and advised him that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and noted that such information was not widely known, the indictment said.

It said Libby proceeded to spread it more aggressively than he had previously.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 28 2005, 08:52 PM)
Quotable

That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

 
– Theodore Roosevelt
*

For whatever reasons, George W. Bush decided to be the president of only some Americans ....

"My way or the highway ..."

Well, his way was paved with lies ....

Beginning right at the beginning ...

He came in based on lies ...

And never looked back ...

Until now ...

And now, the hole is just too deep ...

Too many lies, George ...

Too much contempt for OUR intellects ....

And intelligence ...

Go hug your base, George ...

If they'll have you, anyway ....

As for me, I think you're a lame duck who can best serve America right now and for the future by resigning ....

But what the hey, George ....

Figure it out for yourself ....

You're the most powerful man in the world, after all ...

SO ...

Make people like you ...

It is that easy, isn't it, George ....

Issue a COMMAND, and they have to obey?

SO ...

Tell America that it has to like you ...

And then ....

Well, they will, won't they?

I mean ...

Well, they'll have to ...

Because you are the world's most powerful man .....

"Bush Looks to Bounce Back From Bad News"

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

1 hour, 5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - George W. Bush hopes to find the path to recovery from a week of bad news that staggered his presidency in a nuts-and-bolts focus on governing.

The week that was: conservatives in the president's own party hounded him into withdrawing Harriet Miers' Supreme Court nomination; the U.S. death toll in Iraq surpassed 2,000; and Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff was indicted by a federal grand jury.

The aide, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, is accused of lying about his role in blowing the CIA cover of an Iraq war critic's wife.

The charges grew out of an investigation that was the product of the fierce debate two years ago over Bush's contention that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

Cheney and Libby were two of the administration's leading lobbyists for the U.S.-led invasion, and the indictment could remind Americans increasingly unhappy with the war that the president's primary justification for it turned out to be false.

A Libby trial could see the famously secretive vice president called as a witness and asked to answer embarrassing questions.


Though top presidential adviser Karl Rove was spared for now, the future of one of Bush's most powerful advisers also remained in jeopardy.

Already, Bush was struggling with his lowest-ever approval ratings, dragged down by high gas prices and a bungled response to Hurricane Katrina along with the public's growing unrest over Iraq.

Miers' nomination was only the most recent example of Republicans' willingness to distance themselves from the president.

Bush's signature domestic priority for the year, a Social Security overhaul, was shelved after an aggressive push by the president yielded little support for action even among Republicans.

Just this month, California's GOP governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, skipped a Bush fundraiser in Los Angeles and Jerry Kilgore, the Republican gubernatorial candidate in Virginia, stayed away from a presidential speech in Norfolk on Friday.

Some are calling for bold strokes — a broad new agenda, a purging of the president's tired and perhaps overly insular and loyal staff — to jolt the White House past its troubles.

A former White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official still provides regular advice, said Bush needs "moves of conscience and conviction" that evoke the leadership abilities that helped get him re-elected.

Some Republicans inside and outside the White House were angered by Bush's handling of Libby's exit.

They viewed it as a missed opportunity to restore badly needed credibility because the president neither condemned the aide's actions nor acknowledged that White House spokesman Scott McClellan had said categorically in 2003 that Libby was not involved in the leak.


Bush and his aides considered the political benefits of such statements, according to a senior administration official, who spoke confidentially so as to not be seen discussing internal deliberations.

But the idea was rejected out of concern the president's words could influence the legal process.

Bush instead merely called the charges "serious" and urged against a rush to judgment.

He and Cheney both praised Libby for his public service.

Democrats, though, indicated they will not let people forget that Bush campaigned in 2000 on a promise to "restore honor and dignity" to a White House sullied by Clinton-era scandals.

"President Bush faces a serious test of leadership," said Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

"Will he keep his pledge to hold his administration to high ethical standards and give the American people what they deserve, and will he answer to the American people for these serious missteps?"


At the White House, the short-term strategy is little changed by the recent events.

Bush will focus for the remainder of the year on pushing Congress to fund Katrina recovery while reigning in nonmilitary spending, renewing the Patriot Act, and making preparations for a possible bird flu or other pandemic.

The president plans to highlight political progress in Iraq and U.S. economic growth in an effort to convince a skeptical public that things are better than they seem on both fronts, officials said.

White House counselor Dan Bartlett said it was an "almost a back-to-basics type of approach to governing" that is designed to show people that the president is taking concrete action on things that matter to their lives.

"I got a job to do and so do the people who work in the White House," Bush said in reaction to Libby's indictment.

Grover Norquist, the president of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform who is close to the White House, said Bush is on the right track.

"You don't need any Hail Mary passes at this point," he said.

All agree that Bush must make a quick and sound selection for the Supreme Court now that Miers no longer is in line to succeed retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

With an announcement expected soon, White House officials and their allies have great hopes it will steal space from the bad news, heal the rift with conservatives that the Miers' nomination caused and regain momentum for Bush.

Norquist said that will happen if Bush names someone with a clear record of conservative credentials.

"We will get a completely unified right," Norquist said.

"Bygones are bygones."

Aides also hope Bush will benefit from his schedule.

Foreign policy will dominate much of Bush's attention as he spends much of November traveling to South America and Asia.

Bush dislikes reacting to the kind of advice from punditry that has been so plentiful in recent weeks.

So more comprehensive changes at the White House, whether a staff shake-up or bold new ideas, probably will wait.

Aides are looking to Bush's State of the Union address early next year as the vehicle to unveil policy proposals.

At the same time, the president intends to return as planned in the new year to priorities such as overhauling Social Security, simplifying the tax laws and addressing immigration.

Meantime, a replacement must be found for Libby, the Cheney alter-ego and influential White House player whose departure leaves a huge gap.

Among those discussed as top contenders are Cheney's counsel, David Addington; the U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Eric Edelman; and Dean McGrath, Cheney's deputy chief of staff.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 29 2005, 04:45 PM)
"Bush Looks to Bounce Back From Bad News"

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - George W. Bush hopes to find the path to recovery from a week of bad news that staggered his presidency in a nuts-and-bolts focus on governing.

Already, Bush was struggling with his lowest-ever approval ratings, dragged down by high gas prices and a bungled response to Hurricane Katrina along with the public's growing unrest over Iraq.

Just this month, California's GOP governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, skipped a Bush fundraiser in Los Angeles and Jerry Kilgore, the Republican gubernatorial candidate in Virginia, stayed away from a presidential speech in Norfolk on Friday.

The president plans to highlight political progress in Iraq and U.S. economic growth in an effort to convince a skeptical public that things are better than they seem on both fronts, officials said.

I have to wonder what George W. Bush and his pack of HANDLERS think of us, out here in America .....

As if we could not possibly know how much this BUSH-CON-O-MY is costing us on a daily and weekly basis ....

We, of course, are to deny our own senses and believe George W. Bush ....

We are to believe, for example, that CNN did not have a story on tonight about EXXON-MOBIL posting more record profits for this period of high gas prices just gone by ......

We are to believe that when we are paying record prices for heating oil this winter, that we really are not getting gouged by George W. Bush's CORPORATE AMERICA ......

I don't know about anyone else out there in America, but for myself, an older disabled American veteran, my situation has never been more precarious financially than it is right now, under George W. Bush ....

And George W. Bush is going to get up there on the TV and he is going to tell me to believe him when he tells me that I have never been better off than I am right now ...

What black humor, that ....

"Bush presses for Iraq war support - President says progress has been made and U.S. must remain steadfast"

Updated: 10:58 a.m. ET Oct. 29, 2005

WASHINGTON - With the American death toll above 2,000, President Bush said Saturday the war in Iraq has required “great sacrifice,” but that progress is being made and the United States must remain steadfast.

In his third speech on Iraq this week, Bush sought to shore up flagging support for a war that began March 20, 2003.

The best way to honor the sacrifice of our fallen troops is to complete the mission and win the war on terror,” the president said in his weekly radio address.


“We will train Iraqi security forces and help a newly elected government meet the needs of the Iraqi people."

"In doing so, we will lay the foundation of peace for our children and grandchildren.”

Tense week

Public support for Bush’s handling of Iraq is at its lowest point, 37 percent, roughly where it has been since early August, according to AP-Ipsos polling.

After a tense week, Bush is spending the weekend at Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland’s Catoctin Mountains.

Before leaving the White House on Friday, he paused to express support for I. Lewis Libby who resigned as the vice president’s chief of staff after being indicted for perjury and other charges in a two-year investigation of the leak of the name of a CIA operative.

“We’re all saddened by today’s news,” Bush said, adding that the American justice system assumes that the accused are innocent and entitled to due process and a fair trial.

Libby was a driving force behind the administration’s march to war against Iraq and helped assemble evidence — later proven false — asserting that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, which became the rationale for the U.S.-led invasion.

Referring to Libby by his nickname, the president said:

Scooter has worked tirelessly on behalf of the American people and sacrificed much in the service to this country.”


White House officials took comfort that Karl Rove, Bush’s chief political adviser, escaped indictment even though he remains under investigation.

Progress in Iraq

In his radio address, Bush said Iraq had passed an important milestone with the certification of passage of its new constitution.

“Three years ago, when Saddam Hussein ruled with an iron grip, the prospect of Iraqis voting on a democratic constitution would have been unthinkable,” he said.

“Now, the Iraqi people have shown that individual rights and rule by the people are universal principles, and that these principles can become the basis for free and decent governments throughout the Middle East.”

Bush said Iraqi voters had refused to surrender to intimidation and had risked their lives for liberty.

“Our security at home is directly linked to a Middle East that grows in freedom and peace."

"The success of the new Iraqi government is critical to winning the war on terror and protecting the American people."

"Ensuring that success will require more sacrifice, more time, and more resolve, and it will involve more risk for Iraqis and for American and coalition forces.”

“The progress we have made so far has involved great sacrifice."

"The greatest burden has fallen on our military families."

"We’ve lost some of our nation’s finest men and women in the war on terror,” the president said.

At Camp David, Bush is considering who he will name to the Supreme Court.

Joining him at the retreat was Harriet Miers, the White House legal counsel who withdrew her candidacy for the high court Thursday in the face of withering criticism from conservatives.


In accepting her withdrawal, Bush said Miers would resume her duties helping to review candidates for judicial openings.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 29 2005, 05:03 PM)
"Bush presses for Iraq war support - President says progress has been made and U.S. must remain steadfast"

Updated: 10:58 a.m. ET Oct. 29, 2005

Before leaving the White House on Friday, he paused to express support for I. Lewis Libby who resigned as the vice president’s chief of staff after being indicted for perjury and other charges in a two-year investigation of the leak of the name of a CIA operative.

Referring to Libby by his nickname, the president said:

Scooter has worked tirelessly on behalf of the American people and sacrificed much in the service to this country.”

Yeah, George, is that right?

Well, I'll tell you something, Mr. Bush ...

SCOOTER ain't done doodly-squat for me, and from where I sit, with SCOOTER indicted by a GRAND JURY of MY fellow Americans, I'd lay off that "service to America" crap if I were you ....

Nobody's buying the lies, anymore, George ...

SO ....

Get a new act, will you ...

This one is now quite old ...

And LAME to boot ...

"Libby Said to Concoct Story in Leak Case"

By LARRY MARGASAK and PETE YOST, Associated Press Writers

45 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The prosecution's conclusion: Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff zealously pursued information about a critic who said the Bush administration manipulated intelligence to make the case for war.

The view of the president and vice president:


I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby is a dedicated public servant who has worked tirelessly on behalf of his country.


Is Libby an influential White House adviser who lied?

Or is he a man with a hectic schedule who happens to remember events differently from the reporters and administration figures who will eventually be called to testify against him?

"As lawyers, we recognize that a person's recollection and memory of events will not always match those of other people, particularly when they are asked to testify months after the events occurred," Libby's lawyer, Joseph Tate, said in a statement.

Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald drew his detailed portrait of Libby based on a two-year investigation that pulled dozens of witnesses in for questioning, including President Bush and Cheney.

Libby, the indictment against him concludes, received information from Cheney, the State Department and the CIA about covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, whose husband was attacking an administration unable to find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Libby then spread the information to reporters and later concocted a story that his information had come from reporters, the indictment says.


The other portrait of Libby, the favorable version, shows a deeply committed conservative who has been a player on the Washington scene since the early days of the Reagan administration.

Libby left the White House for the last time Friday, departing after seeing some of the ideas he and others championed become administration policy.

In 1992, Libby and former Pentagon deputy Paul Wolfowitz wrote a paper favoring the use of pre-emptive force to prevent countries from developing weapons of mass destruction.

The paper later won praise from the neoconservative Project for the New American Century, which called it "a blueprint for maintaining U.S. pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival."


Notwithstanding Fitzgerald's insistence Friday that the criminal case is not about Iraq, he probably will seek to cast Libby as an architect of the U.S.-led invasion, said Scott Fredericksen, a former prosecutor who now represents white-collar defendants.

The prosecution will call Libby "a very bright guy at the highest levels of government with motivation to prevent Fitzgerald and the grand jury from learning the true source" of Libby's information about administration critic Joseph Wilson.

After the indictment, Cheney issued words of praise in Washington but made no mention of his departing chief of staff on a trip later in the day to Robins Air Force Base in Georgia.

Cheney's speech to base personnel was on terrorism, the topic that, along with Iraq, has consumed his and Libby's time and energy.

"This is nothing new for a White House having to counter its critics, particularly when the administration believes the criticism to be false," said Washington lawyer Michael Madigan, a former Republican counsel in the Senate investigation of Clinton-era campaign fund-raising abuses.

"The trouble the White House encountered in this case is that some of the information was classified."

If he were representing Libby, lawyer David Schertler said he would present character witnesses to testify about Libby's dedication to public service.

"This guy, every day, deals with some of the most important issues facing the American people," said Schertler, a former federal prosecutor.

"You're asking him to recollect conversations, some fairly short, and he's giving his best recollections."

"Maybe he didn't remember correctly, but he didn't have the intent to deceive the special prosecutor or grand jury."

Fitzgerald's probe initially sought to determine whether anyone in the administration violated the law by knowingly disclosing the identity of a covert CIA employee.

"You didn't have that, so why did you charge him?" Schertler suggested Libby's defense would assert.

Fitzgerald spent 22 months on the investigation at a cost of more than $1 million.

In the end, Libby was charged with five felonies alleging obstruction of justice, perjury to a grand jury and making false statements to FBI agents.

If convicted, he could face a maximum of 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines.

The starting point was Bush's claim in his State of the Union address in January 2003 that Saddam Hussein had tried to acquire uranium from the African nation of Niger as part of an effort to develop weapons of mass destruction.

Bush took the country to war with Iraq in March 2003, saying Saddam's banned weapons program threatened the U.S.

When no such weapons turned up, the administration was put on the defensive.


Wilson, a former ambassador, had gone to Niger in 2002 for the CIA to investigate the uranium claim.

He found no evidence to back up an allegation of a sales agreement between Iraq and Niger.

Wilson's wife, Plame, was the covert CIA officer whose name was leaked in July 2003 as the debate about the war heated up.

The indictment alleges Libby had information from at least seven government officials, including the vice president, about Plame and her CIA status.

Libby said he heard it first from reporters.

The indictment said Libby spread the information to the media.

Fitzgerald summed up the charges:

"At the end of the day what appears is that Mr. Libby's story that he was at the tail end of a chain of phone calls, passing on from one reporter what he heard from another, was not true."

"It was false."

"He was at the beginning of the chain of phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter."

"And then he lied about it afterward, under oath and repeatedly."

Libby's case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton, nominated by Bush in 2001.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 29 2005, 05:21 PM)
"Libby Said to Concoct Story in Leak Case"

By LARRY MARGASAK and PETE YOST, Associated Press Writers

In 1992, Libby and former Pentagon deputy Paul Wolfowitz wrote a paper favoring the use of pre-emptive force to prevent countries from developing weapons of mass destruction.

The paper later won praise from the neoconservative Project for the New American Century, which called it "a blueprint for maintaining U.S. pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival."

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 29 2005, 05:03 PM)
"Bush presses for Iraq war support - President says progress has been made and U.S. must remain steadfast"

Updated: 10:58 a.m. ET Oct. 29, 2005

WASHINGTON - With the American death toll above 2,000, President Bush said Saturday the war in Iraq has required “great sacrifice,” but that progress is being made and the United States must remain steadfast.

"US paratrooper killed in Afghanistan"

Sat Oct 29,10:28 AM ET

KABUL (Reuters) - A U.S. paratrooper and a British peacekeeper were killed in separate attacks in eastern and northern Afghanistan on Saturday and five British peacekeepers were wounded, officials in London and Kabul said.

The U.S. soldier died after his patrol came under small arms and rocket grenade fire at Lwara, near eastern Afghanistan's border with Pakistan, a U.S. military statement said.


The British soldiers were shot by four men armed with assault rifles in the middle of the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, said Imamuddin, a senior police official in the city.

He said three of the attackers had been arrested.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defense in London confirmed later that a soldier had died.

He said the men were attacked while traveling between two bases but did not give out any further details.

A spokesmen for the Taliban guerrillas said their fighters were behind the attack, but Imamuddin said he suspected the attackers were members of a pro-government Shi'ite faction.

Troops from NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) have been attacked several times in northern Afghanistan, but Saturday's shooting was the first against ISAF soldiers in Mazar-i-Sharif, which is relatively secure.

About 10,000 ISAF soldiers are stationed in Afghanistan, charged with keeping the peace after U.S.-led troops overthrew the Taliban government in 2001.

A separate U.S.-led force about 20,000 strong is hunting the Taliban and their Islamist allies, such as al Qaeda.

An earlier U.S. statement said U.S. and Afghan forces killed 14 militants in separate attacks this week, in which one government soldier died and a U.S. soldier was wounded.

Separately, three people, including an unsuccessful candidate in last month's provincial elections, were killed in a Taliban ambush in the southern province of Helmand on Friday night.

Helmand deputy governor, Mohiyuddin, identified the candidate as Abdul Ghani, who died along with his son and another relative in Noorzad district.

More than 1,100 people have been killed in militant-related violence in Afghanistan this year.

Most were militants but the death toll includes more than 50 U.S. soldiers.

(Additional reporting by Ismail Sameem in Kandahar, by Kate Holton in London)
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"Libby was a driving force behind Iraq war - Cheney's aide sought to justify pre-emptive strikes to prevent threats"

Zachary Coile, San Francisco Chronicle Washington Bureau

Friday, October 28, 2005

Washington -- In high-level policy meetings at the White House, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was often in the background, a deputy listening to the views of principals such as his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney.

But behind the scenes, those who know Libby say he was a driving force in major decisions -- including the invasion of Iraq -- and one of the key architects of what has become known as the "Bush doctrine."


"His views are very close to those of the vice president," said Peter Brookes, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Bush administration, now a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation.

"He's a serious player and he's very skilled on national security issues."

"As a chief of staff, he works on all the other issues as well, but he's very strong on national security and foreign policy."

Libby cultivated an image as a backstage player -- he rarely made public speeches and spoke to reporters only on background.

But his role at the center of the CIA leak case has pulled Cheney's secretive chief of staff and top national security adviser out of the shadows.

Libby was indicted Friday on charges of perjury, making false statements and obstruction of justice in connection with a two-year grand jury investigation into the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's name to the news media.

Libby immediately resigned his White House post while prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald announced the investigation was continuing.

Critics of the administration believe the indictment could unmask the role Libby and other top officials played in promoting shoddy intelligence about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that led to the 2003 invasion.

Libby, 55, spent the last 25 years bouncing among policy jobs in Republican administrations, from the State Department under President Ronald Reagan to the Pentagon under President Bush's father to his current role at the White House.

He's a foreign policy hawk -- a "neocons' neocon," as Salon magazine called him --who was a founding member of the Project for the New American Century, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank created in 1997 that supports bigger defense budgets and promotes America's dominant role in global affairs.

"In terms of neoconservatives, he is one of the key conceptualizers," said Melvin Goodman, a former CIA and State Department analyst, now a senior fellow at the liberal Center for International Policy in Washington.

Libby's chief foreign policy goal was "to never permit another rival and another threat to America's dominance so we wouldn't have to engage in another Cold War," Goodman said.


As a top Washington lawyer during the Clinton years, he represented fugitive billionaire Marc Rich, who received a controversial pardon during the Democratic president's final hours in office.

Libby later told a House committee investigating the pardon that he believed federal prosecutors had erred by charging Rich with tax evasion.

While he has a reputation as polite and studious, those who know him say he has a daredevil streak, evidenced in his passion for mountain biking and downhill skiing.

He's also a literature buff who spent twenty years writing his 1996 novel, The Apprentice, an erotically charged and suspenseful tale about a young man running an inn in rural Japan in the early 1900s who gets caught up in murder.

Born in New Haven, Conn., Libby grew up in Florida and attended the same elite East Coast schools as Bush -- Phillips Andover prep school and Yale University -- before earning a law degree at Columbia University.

At Yale, Libby took a political science class from Paul Wolfowitz, then a young professor, who would become his mentor.

In 1981, when Libby was a lawyer in private practice in Philadelphia, Wolfowitz took a job as an assistant secretary of state and lured Libby to Washington to serve as his speechwriter.


At the Pentagon, where Wolfowitz became undersecretary of defense in the late 1980s, Libby was part of a small clique of policy staffers involved in crafting a new post-Cold War defense strategy, which brought him to the attention of then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.

According to James Mann's book, "Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet," Libby was the lead author of a document that would later become the blueprint for the Bush administration's foreign policy.

An earlier version of the document, written by Wolfowitz aide Zalmay Khalilzad, now the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, had caused a furor when it was leaked to the New York Times during the 1992 presidential campaign.

It appeared to be a statement of American unilateralism, saying future military coalitions should be "ad hoc assemblies, often not lasting beyond the crisis being confronted" and that America should "act independently when collective action cannot be orchestrated."

After hearing from critics, including U.S. allies such as Germany and Japan, Pentagon officials asked Libby to rewrite the document.


While Libby softened the tone of the language, his draft reinforced many of the ideas that would form the foundation of the Bush doctrine.

The draft said the U.S. must be ready to act "with only limited help, or even alone, if necessary" to confront threats.

Libby also made the case for preemptive strikes, saying:

"Sometimes a measured military action can contain or preclude a crisis."

"In subtle ways, using careful terminology and euphemisms, the vision of an American superpower was actually made more sweeping," Mann wrote.

The document was supposed to stay classified, but Cheney liked the ideas so much he declassified parts of the paper and published it under the title, "Defense Strategy for the 1990s."

Libby's time at the Pentagon also left him with serious concerns about Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, and he was among the more hawkish officials who believed President George H.W. Bush erred by failing to topple the regime during the first Gulf War.

After the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Libby and Wolfowitz argued that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda could not have staged the attacks without the help of a sympathetic foreign leader -- most likely Hussein -- and urged the president to consider an invasion of Iraq.

Bush initially rejected the idea, focusing instead on the looming attack on the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

In the build-up to the Iraq war, Libby urged Secretary of State Colin Powell's speechwriters to include in Powell's February 2003 speech to the United Nation the reports of an alleged meeting between Sept. 11 terrorist Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague -- even though the Czech government and U.S. intelligence officials doubted the reports.

CIA and State Department officials were reportedly angry that Libby pushed to include other evidence in Powell's presentation on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq they felt was suspect.

Goodman, who spent 24 years as a CIA analyst, said the repeated trips by Cheney and Libby to CIA headquarters were seen as an effort to pressure analysts to back the White House's claims of weapons of mass destruction.

"He was sort of the hatchet man in the intelligence community," Goodman said.

"His role was to influence discussions within the intelligence community."


Libby's interviews with New York Times reporter Judith Miller appear to reflect this battle between Cheney's office and the CIA over Iraq intelligence -- which some believe may have led to the leak of Valerie Plame's status as a covert agent.

According to Miller, Libby complained that the CIA was carrying out a campaign of "selective leaking" and a "hedging strategy" to protect its reputation in case no weapons of mass destruction were found.

E-mail Zachary Coile at zcoile@sfchronicle.com.
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"Cheney adviser resigns after indictment" 
 
By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:15 p.m., Friday, October 28, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Jr., was indicted Friday on charges of obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements in the CIA leak investigation, a politically charged case that could cast a harsh light on President Bush's push to war.

Libby, 55, resigned and left the White House.

Bush praised Libby's service and said he is "presumed innocent and entitled to due process."

And actually, George, although you yourself likely are not aware of this, for a long time now in OUR America, we have had a GRAND JURY practice, and what is essentially a TWO-PART process in proving someone, anyone, even such a REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE HOT-SHOT like SCOOTER guilty of a crime or crimes, and the first phase of that process is stripping away the presumption of innocence, which this GRAND JURY has now done.

The second phase of that two-part process is proving guilt, of course, and that has not happened, yet .....

BUT .....

SCOOTER is no longer entitled to the same presumption of innocence that an un-indicted American is .....

SCOOTER has been indicted, George ....

That's what he now is, someone whose presumption of innocence has been stripped from him by an AMERICAN GRAND JURY ....

SO .....

Please ....

Un-confuse yourself here ....

You blather on about this being a nation of law, and not favoritism, and then you talk as if you didn't have a clue ...

You're not much of an example as president, George ....

Not much at all ....
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