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underbear1
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/111404PopeGay.htm

"(Vatican City) Pope John Paul on Saturday warned Protestant churches that liberal views toward homosexuality would result in the Vatican withdrawing from ecumenism.

The Pope's remarks came during a service to mark the 40th anniversary of the Second Vatican Council which led the Catholic Church into a period of ecumenism with other Christian Churches."

He might like to clean up the mess of his priests preying on children for decades,and hiding them in other parishes, before he judges other faith's
doctrines concerning gays and lesbians. mad.gif mad.gif
gmanders777
swissinfo - Switzerland's news and information platform

Pope says Anglican gays are obstacle to unity

swissinfo

November 13, 2004 9:00 PM


Pope says Anglican gays are obstacle to unity

By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul has urged Christians to be committed to seeking unity of their divided
Churches but, in a reference to homosexual clergy in the Anglican communion, said new ethical obstacles had
surfaced.

At a vespers service in St Peter's Basilica on Saturday to mark the 40th anniversary of a Second Vatican Council
document on ecumenism, the 84-year-old Polish Pope said the commitment to unity should infect ordinary Christians
and not just be a matter for experts.

"Unfortunately, we are faced with new problems, especially those of an ethical nature, where new divisions which
impede a common witness have sprouted," he said to some 7,000 people inside the basilica.

This was a clear reference to the crisis currently besieging the Anglican communion after the Episcopalian Church in
the United States appointed an openly gay bishop in New Hampshire.

The 70-million-member Anglican Church, which split from Rome in 1534, has been divided over whether to ordain
openly homosexual men and whether to bless same-sex marriages.

It was sparked last year by the appointment by U.S. Anglicans of Gene Robinson as their first openly gay bishop.

Traditionalist Anglicans, particularly the Africans, have denounced the move. They threaten to break with churches
that bless same-sex unions and are considering ways to redraw the Anglican world map to escape liberal provinces.

Last month, Anglican leaders held a summit in London in an attempt to stop their loose association of Churches
falling apart over the issue.

They urged North American Episcopalians to ban same-sex marriages and the consecration of gay bishops. They
asked the liberals, based in Canada and the United States, to apologise and promise it would not happen again.

As has become customary recently, an aide read part of the sermon for the Pope, who suffers from Parkinson's
disease and sometimes has difficulty pronouncing his words.


URL of this story
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.htm...105&sid=5339398
gmanders777
To all Catholics Please I mean no offense by this to your or your religion:

Why are we listening to another one who says he talks to God? Do we not all

talk to God. I realize the Catholics teachings say the Pope is the Holy One

and hears GOd. Well I do to. In Christs word. He never said I had to go through

anyone but him (Christ) for God to hear my prayers. This disgusts me and

believe all the churches should go back to Christ Commandments only 2:

“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another”
Alexander38
When Churches inteferre in politics they are no longer chuches but political organizations, and should be treatet as such, it is not a matter of keeping the moral highground which any human being has the right to, it is a matter off pressure (If you vote for that man you are not a good Christian/Jew/Muslim/Scientologist) Then that particulary church has forfiet any protection it had under Constitutional law.
And i really don't see what all the fuzz is all about, i thought that it was a mans deeds and personal moral, that defined that human as a true Christian. Not weather he/she sleeps whit her own sex for pleasure, comfort or/and love.
The greatest helpers that the advedsary has against God, is humans that tell and convinces their surroundings that they and no one else know presiesly what Gods will is!.
I will say that any man that sets himself as judge over others, sets himself up for a fall on the last days.
Mason50
From everything I've read about the Spanish Inquisition love is not one of the things far right Christians teach. I don't consider myself a heathen because I believe in God, but find it very hard to grasp the concept of organized religion. Religious organizations like the far right Muslims and Christians are dangerous to our society. When hate is the theme of any religious group it's time to withdraw your membership. Civilized human beings don't live to hate those that have different religious opinions. When religious groups like the far right Muslim terrorists (any religion) first started their doctrine I'm sure it was to keep people in line. In my humble opinion, that's how all far right religious groups start out. I prefer freedom of any kind, including how one worships their God, to forced laws governing religion. That is why I could never become a Republican again.
joeby
If you read the original article more carefully you'll see that the Pope is reported as making a point about other churches allowing gay members in their clergy and as bishops. It has nothing to do with gay marriage.
Cloudy
It is certainly understandable and acceptable for anyone to say they don't agree with any church's position on any issue.
joeby
QUOTE(colum @ Nov 15 2004, 10:03 AM)
Critisizing the people whose support you need is plain stupid. You bash churches, then complain when they go vote against you? Hey if the Black Panthers ran civil rights for african americans, they still wouldn't have rights. You don't gain anything by trashing the majority or their beliefs. You just stir up hatred misunderstanding and division.
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You're a bit over the top here. If support from Catholic quarters is needed at all, it's from American Catholics not the Church hierarchy. American Catholics are an independent lot as can be seen from their opposition to the hierarchy's position on contraception and other issues. Disagreeing with the position of the Church hierarchy is not necessarily going to produce opposition from Catholic voters since they are used to doing it themselves.
underbear1
pedophilla is both gay and straight, it's adults that sexually prey on children.
90% of pedophilla cases are heterosexual, because you are 90% of the population.
Cloudy
QUOTE(underbear1 @ Nov 15 2004, 11:17 AM)
pedophilla is both gay and straight, it's adults that sexually prey on children.
90% of pedophilla cases are heterosexual, because you are 90% of the population.
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Right, that was my point, blaming gay people for the pedaphile problem is certainly wrong.
SWStt
QUOTE(colum @ Nov 15 2004, 10:11 AM)
pope bashing is allowed, but not gay bashing?
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As a person who actually respects the pope, I don't think anyone really bashed him. They disagreed with him; they also pointed out that it was hypocritical for the Roman Church to criticize any moral behavior right now. Hey, they just came off a horrible scandal which involved the sexual abuse of minors. The church is asking for criticism when it comes out with statements like this.

As I said, I do happen to respect the Pope. He's come out against Communism, against the IRA in N. Ireland, and against the US's war in Iraq. I happen to agree with a lot of what he says, but nobody is perfect or above criticism.
gmanders777
Colum, I am sorry but the pedofile experiences altar boys were supposedly straight men. Most child molestations happen amongst straight men and women. Also, the Catholic Church has been duplicitous in this matter by re-assigning Priest without supervision to other churches. They also never got the Priest any help. The issue of the article is that the Pope should mind his own business and stay out of other Protestant streams. I think he has enough to clean up on his own. Does the Roman Catholic Church really represent America today? Are its teachings in line with its congregation? The closer the government and the church come the less freedom you and I will have. Your divorce would be outlawed in a church state. You would have to wear a Scarlet A as in old times!
Cloudy
First of all, I"m not you guys. I am a straight woman.

Second, you need to stop and think how you would feel if church leaders were speaking out against you.

And the greatest of these is love your neighbor as yourself --Jesus
Mesmerize
You know, the Pope is Catholic, and while that is fine, I sometimes resent him always standing up there trying to judge the whole world and deciding what Catholics think are moral or just and how the rest of us should tow the line to his/their way of thinking. He stuck his nose into our elections, went after Kerry, who isn't a war monger, and basically shut up regarding Bush's activities during the elections... at least I heard nothing negative toward BushCo. coming from his mouth during election time. (or maybe the media didn't publicize it well if he did) In my opinion, he influenced people to put BushCo. back into office.

I realize he has a right to his opinion, but frankly...I am tired of listening to him. I especially think it seems hypocritical after all the child abuse that has come from "their camp" and was ignored by their religious leaders. They were very reluctant to "clean their house".
Smartcor
The pope is quite inflexible and stays close to the doctrine of the Catholic church. I am sort of Catholic, in the sense that I was brought up under that religion. Yet, I do not go to church since I don't feel that I need to be in a specific building to be close to God.

Now, that said, the Pope's statement is merely his stance on certain issues and other religions have a right to know where he stands and what he will do given certain circumstances. This Pope has been very strict regarding what the church is supposed to believe in and not open to evolving with the times. However, it is true that there is a great deal that needs to heal within the Catholic church. I had hoped that with all the scandals it would become obvious to the Pope that internal changes within the church were in order, such as allowing priests to marry. Yet, that seems to not have even been discussed.
joeby
The mistake here is to think that any disagreement with the hierarchy fuels "an US vs THEM battle." It doesn't necessarily because American Catholics themselves engage in it and they also have a sense of when the hierarchy intrudes upon other people's domains. This came out during the campaign when a small group of bishops tried to tell Catholics that voting for Kerry was not permissible. And by the way, expressing disagreement of this kind is not automatically "Religious bashing." That's another stretch.
gmanders777
No, what I am saying is that in studies that have been done, the male or female abuser

in their mind say they are straight. Whether or not the abuse is homosexual or straight

is not the point. The abuser is always someone trusted. Usually a family member or

their minister/priest. You totally missed the rest of what I said. The church turned it

back and condoned this by not removing and getting help for the Priest or the abused!

Which all of this is off topic from the original issue. The Pope say he is trying to unite

the religion by dividing it. Telling other denominations how to run their Church!
Mesmerize
colum, I agree with a lot of what you say, but when you said this, "
YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO FORCE ACCEPTANCE IN PLACES YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TOO. " ... that is how I feel about the Pope. He doesn't represent the rest of us.


[quote=colum,Nov 15 2004, 08:24 AM]
Cloudy
QUOTE
"96% of female rape victims in 1991, younger than 12 years old, knew their attackers. 20% were victimized by their fathers or step-fathers."  (US Department of Justice)
colum
QUOTE(joeby @ Nov 15 2004, 11:49 AM)
So, what's the point of this remark about Ryan White?  What you say here doesn't even speak to the issues raised in what you're replying to.
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This post was gay rights/catholic bashing post, I don't think Ryan White, belongs in it. Health issues are more effected by greedy drug companies and fiscal policies incorporated by politicians in deference to their big money contributions.
Mesmerize
That statement could also be reversed since there is separation of church and state, and since churches are tax-free due to this separation... Also, the Pope is the one who first stuck his nose into our election, so we should be able to disagree with his opinion without being accused of bashing him. I am disappointed that he felt killings in Iraq of their children/citizens and our military due to an illegal war were of lesser importance than the issues he took a stance on. Those lives are important to me.

By the way, when they take political stances from within the church, why are they still allowed tax free exemption? I read some post on here where the GOP bused Church voters to the polls, then heard nothing further about it. If they did break the laws, why don't you hear of any churches losing their tax free status from it? Perhaps this should be pursued.

QUOTE(colum @ Nov 15 2004, 08:54 AM)
ITS SIMPLE, BUT THE HELL OUT OF CHURCHES AND GO GET POLITICIANS.
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joeby
QUOTE(colum @ Nov 15 2004, 10:57 AM)
This post was gay rights/catholic bashing post, I don't think Ryan White, belongs in it. Health issues are more effected by greedy drug companies and fiscal policies incorporated by politicians in deference to their big money contributions.
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Ryan White was not being talked about. Ryan White Funds were. That's the name of the funding issue. In any case, since the remarks you're replying to involved criticism of AIDs funding and Ryan White died of AIDs, why wouldn't talking about him belong in the discussion?
colum
QUOTE(Mesmerize @ Nov 15 2004, 12:02 PM)
That statement could also be reversed since there is separation of church and state, and since churches are tax-free due to this separation... Also, the Pope is the one who first stuck his nose into our election, so we should be able to disagree with his opinion without being accused of bashing him.  I am disappointed that he felt killings in Iraq of their children/citizens and our military due to an illegal war were of lesser importance than the issues he took a stance on.  Those lives are important to me.

By the way, when they take political stances from within the church, why are they still allowed tax free exemption?  I read some post on here where the GOP bused Church voters to the polls, then heard nothing further about it.  If they did break the laws, why don't you hear of any churches losing their tax free status from it?  Perhaps this should be pursued.
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Your talking about evangelical churches now, I don't know if them busing voters is illegal as long as they didn't say vote for>>>> I know most churches were fairly tightlipped on suggesting a candidate, But it was more over abortion rights as far as I saw. The anti-abortion prayers cannot be construed as picking candidates, because in my experience theres been anti-abortion sentiment in churches since I was a child. The strong stance on an issue cannot be silenced just because its an election year. But I do hope any preacher saying VOTE FOR>>>> gets in trouble.
Cloudy
QUOTE
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
savemefrombush
I don't think Jesus would be against gays or did he say that? Was the Pope speaking on Jesus's behalf?
gmanders777
Since we seem way off topic in some ways. What really upset me was the Pope

had an audience with Bush and turned his back on Kerry. Kerry being a Catholic and

Bush a Methodist (bushh fell far from the Methodist turnip truck to) I do not udnerstand

why the Pope allowed or told the Bishops in the US not to allow Kerry communion.
underbear1
Eve of Destruction, by P F Sloan

Yeah, my blood's so mad
Feels like coagulatin'
I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin'
I can't twist the truth
It knows no regulation
Handful of senators don't pass legislation
And marches alone can't bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin'
This whole crazy world
Is just too frustratin'


And you tell me over, and over, and over again my friend
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction


And think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama
Ah you may leave here for four days in space
But when you return it's the same old place
The poundin' of the drums
The pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace
Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace


But you tell me over, and over, and over, and over again my friend
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction
No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction
OneInTen
The Catholic church is an organization represented by a chosen leader for life called The Pope. They make public policy and expect their membership to abide by said policy.

This, however, is America - and here people are free to express their differences with organizations.

Colum - you sound hysterically angry with GLBT Americans, and your name calling and baiting is seriously offensive. Do you have a point to make that has anything to do with this topic - e.g. The Pope tells protestants to bar gays ??

Are you, for instance, agreeing with the Pope's viewpoint? Are you disagreeing? Or is this just a nice juicy forum for you to push some other agenda - say your dissatisfaction with the way Americans are viewing Catholicism these days?

It would seem that your real anger is because you feel victimized by Catholic jokes, or mocking references to the Pope. One can only assume this is because you yourself are Catholic - or just against anything said by self acknowledged gays or their friends. There is some real validity in this argument - but rather than present your position and defend it - you choose to resort to the schoolyard tactic of trading insult for insult, then upping the ante.

By the way - no one is trying to force the Catholic Church to marry gays.
joeby
Colum, If you reread the original post, you'll see that it didn't mention gay people at all. It spoke of people with AIDS period. Your contention that it did is pure fabrication. Consequently what you say here is baseless.
SWStt
Actually, the Pope did not stick his nose in our elections. In fact, a vatican spokesperson actually said that it was okay to vote for politicians who supported abortion, as long as that position on abortion was not the reason a Catholic was casting her/his vote. Certain American Bishops did want to refuse giving Kerry communion, but that was not a Church stance, it was an individual one taken by the afore mentioned Bishops.

Vatican steers clear of the election fray By Ian Fisher The New York Times

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/24/news/pope.html

This article pretty much clears up the Vatican's position on the US election. While I don't agree with the Pope's advice to Protestant churches, I do not feel as though he is trying to interfere with our elections. If anything, the Vatican is a European institution, and I highly doubt that the majority of European Catholics look very favorably on George Bush.



QUOTE(Mesmerize @ Nov 15 2004, 11:02 AM)
That statement could also be reversed since there is separation of church and state, and since churches are tax-free due to this separation... Also, the Pope is the one who first stuck his nose into our election, so we should be able to disagree with his opinion without being accused of bashing him.  I am disappointed that he felt killings in Iraq of their children/citizens and our military due to an illegal war were of lesser importance than the issues he took a stance on.  Those lives are important to me.

By the way, when they take political stances from within the church, why are they still allowed tax free exemption?  I read some post on here where the GOP bused Church voters to the polls, then heard nothing further about it.   If they did break the laws, why don't you hear of any churches losing their tax free status from it?  Perhaps this should be pursued.
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prettyflower1976
What's more harmful to our society. two consenting adults in a loving relationship or pedophile priest?
The church should more time speaking out about child molestation and how to report and stop it.
joeby
QUOTE(colum @ Nov 15 2004, 11:22 AM)
My answers to the people jumping all over the place in this post is now MY FAULT!! I was solidly on my point, only to be barraged by everything from preists faults to Ryan White. You people jumped, I merely answered the more ridiculous claim,,,,ALOT LIKE THIS ONE YOU NOW MADE!!
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You're ignoring the point I made and launching into a personal attack. I don't think that does your position much good.

My point was that taking issue with remarks made about the Pope's attire as "Pope-bashing" or "Catholic-bashing" is one thing. But claiming the same thing about any opposition to or criticism of what the Pope says is not credible.
underbear1
I guess I'm WAY off base to think faith-based charities are gutting needed AIDS funds. The fact that I'm a 20 year survivor with AIDS, have a lover and dozen of friends who are also Poz, don't bother paying anything I have to say about the matter. Cuz I've noticed LOTS of other PWA's posting here! mad.gif mad.gif


SILENCE = DEATH
gmanders777
QUOTE(underbear1 @ Nov 15 2004, 01:18 PM)
I guess I'm WAY off base to think faith-based charities are gutting needed AIDS funds. The fact that I'm a 20 year survivor with AIDS, have a lover and dozen of friends who are also Poz, don't bother paying anything I have to say about the matter. Cuz I've noticed LOTS of other PWA's posting here! mad.gif  mad.gif
SILENCE = DEATH
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No all charities are barely existing. Barely able to deliver food or help people at all

People think the rich support charities, they do but not like the avg joe. Th avg joe

makes up 80%+ of all donations to charities. Unfortunately, in a Presidential election

year donations are down 30-50% plus with the large number of lower wages and

unemployed it is even hard.
Lcyberlina
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Kjustme061
The Catholic church is its own organization, and has the right to their own beliefs. The only thing that I would suggest is that if there are Gay members of the church, maybe they should rethink who they are putting their faith in. I believe God loves all of us regardless, any gay who took offense, brush it off....what the Pope says means nothing about who you truly are wink.gif
joeby
QUOTE(Kjustme061 @ Nov 15 2004, 12:39 PM)
The Catholic church is its own organization, and has the right to their own beliefs.  The only thing that I would suggest is that if there are Gay members of the church, maybe they should rethink who they are putting their faith in.  I believe God loves all of us regardless, any gay who took offense, brush it off....what the Pope says means nothing about who you truly are  wink.gif
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Yes, and of course those beliefs are open to debate. One difficulty that seems to have sidetracked discussion here involves the failure to make that distinction. Opposing or criticizing a position--of any organization or any church or any person--is not the same thing as bashing them or trying to force them to change their views or denying their right to their view, however right or wrong it may be.
so angry I could spit
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Protestant movement occur because there were a boat load of Christians who disagreed vociferously with the Pope and, as they didn't think he was infallible, felt no need to follow his rulings or suggestions? I'm not Christian, but I'd be willing to guess that if folks felt the need to follow the pope's wishes and belong to a church that was 100% consistent with Catholicism they'd become Catholic.
gmanders777
QUOTE(so angry I could spit @ Nov 15 2004, 06:45 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Protestant movement occur because there were a boat load of Christians who disagreed vociferously with the Pope and, as they didn't think he was infallible, felt no need to follow his rulings or suggestions?  I'm not Christian, but I'd be willing to guess that if folks felt the need to follow the pope's wishes and belong to a church that was 100% consistent with Catholicism they'd become Catholic.
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Martin Luther dealt the symbolic blow that began the Reformation when he nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church
That document contained an attack on papal abuses and the sale of indulgences by church officials.

But Luther himself saw the Reformation as something far more important than a revolt against ecclesiastical abuses. He believed it was a fight for the gospel. Luther even stated that he would have happily yielded every point of dispute to the Pope, if only the Pope had affirmed the gospel.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/w...ninetyfive.html
so angry I could spit
I stand corrected (can I use the excuse that it's been close to a million years since school?)
underbear1
Maybe this is a good sign,perhaps so many former Catholics have left the Church, the Pope needs to take his little hate-fest out on the road!
normdoering
QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 15 2004, 10:04 AM)
Do we not all talk to God.
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Not me. I'm not as delusional as the rest of humanity it seems.
so angry I could spit
QUOTE(normdoering @ Nov 15 2004, 09:21 PM)
Not me. I'm not as delusional as the rest of humanity it seems.
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Ahhh Norm, you ought to try it some time - I find my conversations with him endlessly entertaining, and you should HEAR the stuff he says about those yeeHAs who claim to speak on his behalf wink.gif
Truthseeker
QUOTE(Mesmerize @ Nov 15 2004, 01:02 PM)
That statement could also be reversed since there is separation of church and state, and since churches are tax-free due to this separation... Also, the Pope is the one who first stuck his nose into our election, so we should be able to disagree with his opinion without being accused of bashing him.  I am disappointed that he felt killings in Iraq of their children/citizens and our military due to an illegal war were of lesser importance than the issues he took a stance on.  Those lives are important to me.

By the way, when they take political stances from within the church, why are they still allowed tax free exemption?  I read some post on here where the GOP bused Church voters to the polls, then heard nothing further about it.  If they did break the laws, why don't you hear of any churches losing their tax free status from it?  Perhaps this should be pursued.
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I am so sick and tired of bigoted remarks. Don't you know that the Pope actually directed Catholics to vote for more than the one issue of pro-life. He opposed the war in Iraq which he called illegal and immoral and he and Bush came to loggerheads over it. The Pope di not directly tell us to vote for Kerry but his message was clear. Any responsible Catholic who read his directive could only come to one conclusion and that was to vote for Kerry since Bush had failed in so many respects. Neither did the Pope say that Kerry would be ex-communicated but that's another story. 52% of Catholics voted for Bush and it makes me so angry because they allowed themselves to listen to the political agenda from their own priests rather than heed the words coming from the Vatican or the US Conference of Bishops. I'm pretty disgusted about the whole Catholic vote. Here - take a look at this......

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0405416.htm
SWStt
http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/24/news/pope.html

VATICAN CITY While many American Roman Catholics oppose Senator John Kerry because he supports abortion rights, church officials and observers here say that if the people who run the Vatican could vote, they would be as divided as Americans are - and might even tilt toward Kerry.
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Officially, the Vatican never takes positions on elections, and it has maintained a public silence about an issue deeply dividing American Catholics in the U.S. presidential election: the assertion by some American bishops that voting for Kerry amounts to a sin.
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But interviews with Vatican officials, many of whom did not want to be named, and experts who watch the church closely turn up a bottom line in which many Vatican officials seem to differ with hard-line American Catholics: While opposition to abortion is nonnegotiable for the church, that does not necessarily translate into uniform hope that President George W. Bush wins re-election. There are other issues that weigh heavily.
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"At the end of the day, the Vatican is a European institution," said John Allen Jr., an influential reporter for the National Catholic Reporter who recently wrote a column estimating that the Vatican would slightly favor Kerry. Allen noted that at least half the Vatican staff is European, "drawn from the same background as people working in foreign ministries of Germany or Italy."
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"In that circle Bush is overwhelmingly an unpopular figure," he added. "They start from a great deal of skepticism about Bush."
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In interviews, Vatican officials and other experts noted that the Vatican was not monolithic, and that as a huge bureaucracy with competing interests, there was no unified view other than a deep interest in how the most powerful nation in the world exercised its power.
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Vatican departments dealing with theology and family, several experts said, appear to favor Bush because of his opposition to abortion. Other departments, dealing with diplomacy and poverty, tend to lean toward Kerry because of the Iraq war and the view that Bush has generally sidelined diplomacy.
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Several Vatican officials said, however, that any such talk has little meaning because the church does not take sides in elections. But the statements by several American bishops that Catholics who vote for Kerry would have to go to confession have raised the question in many corners about whether this is an official church position.
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The church has not addressed this question publicly and, in fact, seems reluctant to be dragged into the fight: last week, a top Vatican official, Monsignor Pietro Parolin, the Vatican's under secretary of state, reminded reporters that the "concrete aspects" of the U.S. election are "not our business."
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At the same time, Parolin and other officials noted that American Catholics should vote according to church doctrine - an ambiguous statement that neither endorses nor rejects the conservative American bishops' position. While the church's social doctrine spells out opposition to abortion, it also discusses other obligations like defending the poor.
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One Vatican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said, "It is up to the American bishops to announce, or to provide, the moral and social doctrine of the church which offers the ethical principles to make a coherent choice."
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In recent weeks several conservative bishops in the United States have done just that, particularly over the issues of abortion and the use of embryonic stem cells for research. In public statements and published articles they have told parishioners that no other issues are as important in the election and that they should support the candidate who opposes abortion and stem-cell research.
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But other American bishops are less strident, urging parishioners simply to "vote your conscience."
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One Vatican official did offer theological guidance: that it is not necessarily a sin to vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights. The official said in an interview that it would be a sin to vote for such a candidate with the express intention of expanding abortion rights. But if the voter is acting on his conscience taking into consideration all moral questions, it would not be a sin, he said.
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"It's not a question that we don't think abortion has the moral weight that is ascribed to it," the official said. "Absolutely, but it is difficult to say that a person commits a sin if they vote for a pro-choice politician."
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Laurie Goodstein contributed reporting from New York for this article.
.VATICAN CITY While many American Roman Catholics oppose Senator John Kerry because he supports abortion rights, church officials and observers here say that if the people who run the Vatican could vote, they would be as divided as Americans are - and might even tilt toward Kerry.
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Officially, the Vatican never takes positions on elections, and it has maintained a public silence about an issue deeply dividing American Catholics in the U.S. presidential election: the assertion by some American bishops that voting for Kerry amounts to a sin.
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But interviews with Vatican officials, many of whom did not want to be named, and experts who watch the church closely turn up a bottom line in which many Vatican officials seem to differ with hard-line American Catholics: While opposition to abortion is nonnegotiable for the church, that does not necessarily translate into uniform hope that President George W. Bush wins re-election. There are other issues that weigh heavily.
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"At the end of the day, the Vatican is a European institution," said John Allen Jr., an influential reporter for the National Catholic Reporter who recently wrote a column estimating that the Vatican would slightly favor Kerry. Allen noted that at least half the Vatican staff is European, "drawn from the same background as people working in foreign ministries of Germany or Italy."
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"In that circle Bush is overwhelmingly an unpopular figure," he added. "They start from a great deal of skepticism about Bush."
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In interviews, Vatican officials and other experts noted that the Vatican was not monolithic, and that as a huge bureaucracy with competing interests, there was no unified view other than a deep interest in how the most powerful nation in the world exercised its power.
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Vatican departments dealing with theology and family, several experts said, appear to favor Bush because of his opposition to abortion. Other departments, dealing with diplomacy and poverty, tend to lean toward Kerry because of the Iraq war and the view that Bush has generally sidelined diplomacy.
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Several Vatican officials said, however, that any such talk has little meaning because the church does not take sides in elections. But the statements by several American bishops that Catholics who vote for Kerry would have to go to confession have raised the question in many corners about whether this is an official church position.
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The church has not addressed this question publicly and, in fact, seems reluctant to be dragged into the fight: last week, a top Vatican official, Monsignor Pietro Parolin, the Vatican's under secretary of state, reminded reporters that the "concrete aspects" of the U.S. election are "not our business."
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At the same time, Parolin and other officials noted that American Catholics should vote according to church doctrine - an ambiguous statement that neither endorses nor rejects the conservative American bishops' position. While the church's social doctrine spells out opposition to abortion, it also discusses other obligations like defending the poor.
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One Vatican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said, "It is up to the American bishops to announce, or to provide, the moral and social doctrine of the church which offers the ethical principles to make a coherent choice."
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In recent weeks several conservative bishops in the United States have done just that, particularly over the issues of abortion and the use of embryonic stem cells for research. In public statements and published articles they have told parishioners that no other issues are as important in the election and that they should support the candidate who opposes abortion and stem-cell research.
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But other American bishops are less strident, urging parishioners simply to "vote your conscience."
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One Vatican official did offer theological guidance: that it is not necessarily a sin to vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights. The official said in an interview that it would be a sin to vote for such a candidate with the express intention of expanding abortion rights. But if the voter is acting on his conscience taking into consideration all moral questions, it would not be a sin, he said.
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"It's not a question that we don't think abortion has the moral weight that is ascribed to it," the official said. "Absolutely, but it is difficult to say that a person commits a sin if they vote for a pro-choice politician."
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Laurie Goodstein contributed reporting from New York for this article.
.VATICAN CITY While many American Roman Catholics oppose Senator John Kerry because he supports abortion rights, church officials and observers here say that if the people who run the Vatican could vote, they would be as divided as Americans are - and might even tilt toward Kerry.
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Officially, the Vatican never takes positions on elections, and it has maintained a public silence about an issue deeply dividing American Catholics in the U.S. presidential election: the assertion by some American bishops that voting for Kerry amounts to a sin.
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But interviews with Vatican officials, many of whom did not want to be named, and experts who watch the church closely turn up a bottom line in which many Vatican officials seem to differ with hard-line American Catholics: While opposition to abortion is nonnegotiable for the church, that does not necessarily translate into uniform hope that President George W. Bush wins re-election. There are other issues that weigh heavily.
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"At the end of the day, the Vatican is a European institution," said John Allen Jr., an influential reporter for the National Catholic Reporter who recently wrote a column estimating that the Vatican would slightly favor Kerry. Allen noted that at least half the Vatican staff is European, "drawn from the same background as people working in foreign ministries of Germany or Italy."
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"In that circle Bush is overwhelmingly an unpopular figure," he added. "They start from a great deal of skepticism about Bush."
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In interviews, Vatican officials and other experts noted that the Vatican was not monolithic, and that as a huge bureaucracy with competing interests, there was no unified view other than a deep interest in how the most powerful nation in the world exercised its power.
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Vatican departments dealing with theology and family, several experts said, appear to favor Bush because of his opposition to abortion. Other departments, dealing with diplomacy and poverty, tend to lean toward Kerry because of the Iraq war and the view that Bush has generally sidelined diplomacy.
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Several Vatican officials said, however, that any such talk has little meaning because the church does not take sides in elections. But the statements by several American bishops that Catholics who vote for Kerry would have to go to confession have raised the question in many corners about whether this is an official church position.
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The church has not addressed this question publicly and, in fact, seems reluctant to be dragged into the fight: last week, a top Vatican official, Monsignor Pietro Parolin, the Vatican's under secretary of state, reminded reporters that the "concrete aspects" of the U.S. election are "not our business."
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At the same time, Parolin and other officials noted that American Catholics should vote according to church doctrine - an ambiguous statement that neither endorses nor rejects the conservative American bishops' position. While the church's social doctrine spells out opposition to abortion, it also discusses other obligations like defending the poor.
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One Vatican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said, "It is up to the American bishops to announce, or to provide, the moral and social doctrine of the church which offers the ethical principles to make a coherent choice."
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In recent weeks several conservative bishops in the United States have done just that, particularly over the issues of abortion and the use of embryonic stem cells for research. In public statements and published articles they have told parishioners that no other issues are as important in the election and that they should support the candidate who opposes abortion and stem-cell research.
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But other American bishops are less strident, urging parishioners simply to "vote your conscience."
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One Vatican official did offer theological guidance: that it is not necessarily a sin to vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights. The official said in an interview that it would be a sin to vote for such a candidate with the express intention of expanding abortion rights. But if the voter is acting on his conscience taking into consideration all moral questions, it would not be a sin, he said.
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"It's not a question that we don't think abortion has the moral weight that is ascribed to it," the official said. "Absolutely, but it is difficult to say that a person commits a sin if they vote for a pro-choice politician."
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Laurie Goodstein contributed reporting from New York for this article.


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Truthseeker
Last week our priest was away so a visiting priest from Washington came to say mass and he was so political that half of our congregation walked out and I tackled him after mass with a vengeance. He more or less told us to vote on the single issue of pro-life and I could have hit him. He was so, so very wrong!! Anyway if anyone is interested this is the directive from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. and please, please read it all and then make your judgement. It takes in all issues and I mean all issues that effect human life, social justice, war, death penalty and the environment. Believe me, my Church has changed with the coming of our Pope and since Vatican II. You may not agree with the pro-life issues but you cannot disagree with everything else that we are committed to. I would ask that you read the statements in their entirety. Thank you.

"Introduction
Elections are a time for debate and decisions about the leaders, policies, and values that will guide our nation. Since the last presidential election and our last reflection on faithful citizenship, our nation has been attacked by terrorists and has gone to war twice.1 We have moved from how to share budget surpluses to how to allocate the burdens of deficits. As we approach the elections of 2004, we face difficult challenges for our nation and world.

Our nation has been wounded. September 11 and what followed have taught us that no amount of military strength, economic power, or technological advances can truly guarantee security, prosperity, or progress. The most important challenges we face are not simply political, economic, or technological, but ethical, moral, and spiritual. We face fundamental questions of life and death, war and peace, who moves ahead and who is left behind.

Our Church is also working to heal wounds. Our community of faith and especially we, as bishops, are working to face our responsibility and take all necessary steps to overcome the hurt, damage, and loss of trust resulting from the evil of clerical sexual abuse. While working to protect children and rebuild trust, we must not abandon the Church's important role in public life and the duty to encourage Catholics to act on our faith in political life.

These times and this election will test us as American Catholics. A renewed commitment to faithful citizenship can help heal the wounds of our nation, world, and Church. What we have endured has changed many things, but it has not changed the fundamental mission and message of Catholics in public life. In times of terror and war, of global insecurity and economic uncertainty, of disrespect for human life and human dignity, we need to return to basic moral principles. Politics cannot be merely about ideological conflict, the search for partisan advantage, or political contributions. It should be about fundamental moral choices. How do we protect human life and dignity? How do we fairly share the blessings and burdens of the challenges we face? What kind of nation do we want to be? What kind of world do we want to shape?

Politics in this election year and beyond should be about an old idea with new power--the common good. The central question should not be, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" It should be, "How can ‘we'--all of us, especially the weak and vulnerable--be better off in the years ahead? How can we protect and promote human life and dignity? How can we pursue greater justice and peace?"

In the face of all these challenges, we offer once again a simple image--a table.2 Who has a place at the table of life? Where is the place at the table for a million of our nation's children who are destroyed every year before they are born? How can we secure a place at the table for the hungry and those who lack health care in our own land and around the world? Where is the place at the table for those in our world who lack the freedom to practice their faith or stand up for what they believe? How do we ensure that families in our inner cities and rural communities, in barrios in Latin America and villages in Africa and Asia have a place at the table--enough to eat, decent work and wages, education for their children, adequate health care and housing, and most of all, hope for the future?

We remember especially the people who are now missing at the table of life--those lost in the terror of September 11, in the service of our nation, and in the bloody conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Middle East, and Africa.

A table is also a place where important decisions are made in our communities, nation, and world. How can the poorest people on Earth and those who are vulnerable in our land, including immigrants and those who suffer discrimination, have a real place at the tables where policies and priorities are set?

For Catholics, a special table--the altar of sacrifice, where we celebrate the Eucharist--is where we find the direction and strength to take what we believe into the public square, using our voices and votes to defend life, advance justice, pursue peace, and find a place at the table for all God's children.



Tasks and Questions for Believers
Our nation has been blessed with freedom, democracy, abundant resources, and generous and religious people. However, our prosperity does not reach far enough. Our culture sometimes does not lift us up but brings us down in moral terms. Our world is wounded by terror, torn apart by conflict, and haunted by hunger.

As we approach the elections of 2004, we renew our call for a new kind of politics--focused on moral principles not on the latest polls, on the needs of the poor and vulnerable not the contributions of the rich and powerful, and on the pursuit of the common good not the demands of special interests.

Faithful citizenship calls Catholics to see civic and political responsibilities through the eyes of faith and to bring our moral convictions to public life. People of good will and sound faith can disagree about specific applications of Catholic principles. However, Catholics in public life have a particular responsibility to bring together consistently their faith, moral principles, and public responsibilities.

At this time, some Catholics may feel politically homeless, sensing that no political party and too few candidates share a consistent concern for human life and dignity. However, this is not a time for retreat or discouragement. We need more, not less engagement in political life. We urge Catholics to become more involved?by running for office; by working within political parties; by contributing money or time to campaigns; and by joining diocesan legislative networks, community organizations, and other efforts to apply Catholic principles in the public square.

The Catholic community is a diverse community of faith, not an interest group. Our Church does not offer contributions or endorsements. Instead, we raise a series of questions, seeking to help lift up the moral and human dimensions of the choices facing voters and candidates:


After September 11, how can we build not only a safer world, but a better world?more just, more secure, more peaceful, more respectful of human life and dignity?

How will we protect the weakest in our midst--innocent unborn children? How will our nation resist what Pope John Paul II calls a "culture of death"? How can we keep our nation from turning to violence to solve some of its most difficult problems--abortion to deal with difficult pregnancies; the death penalty to combat crime; euthanasia and assisted suicide to deal with the burdens of age, illness, and disability; and war to address international disputes?

How will we address the tragic fact that more than 30,000 children die every day as a result of hunger, international debt, and lack of development around the world, as well as the fact that the younger you are, the more likely you are to be poor here in the richest nation on Earth?

How can our nation help parents raise their children with respect for life, sound moral values, a sense of hope, and an ethic of stewardship and responsibility? How can our society defend the central institution of marriage and better support families in their moral roles and responsibilities, offering them real choices and financial resources to obtain quality education and decent housing?

How will we address the growing number of families and individuals without affordable and accessible health care? How can health care better protect human life and respect human dignity?

How will our society combat continuing prejudice, overcome hostility toward immigrants and refugees, and heal the wounds of racism, religious bigotry, and other forms of discrimination?

How will our nation pursue the values of justice and peace in a world where injustice is common, desperate poverty widespread, and peace is too often overwhelmed by violence?

What are the responsibilities and limitations of families, community organizations, markets, and government? How can these elements of society work together to overcome poverty, pursue the common good, care for creation, and overcome injustice?

When should our nation use, or avoid the use of, military force--for what purpose, under what authority, and at what human cost?

How can we join with other nations to lead the world to greater respect for human life and dignity, religious freedom and democracy, economic justice, and care for God's creation?
We hope these questions and the 2004 campaigns can lead to less cynicism and more participation, less partisanship, and more civil dialogue on fundamental issues.



A Call to Faithful Citizenship
One of our greatest blessings in the United States is our right and responsibility to participate in civic life. Everyone can and should participate. Even those who cannot vote have the right to have their voices heard on issues that affect their communities.

The Constitution protects the right of individuals and of religious bodies to speak out without governmental interference, favoritism, or discrimination. Major public issues have moral dimensions. Religious values have significant public consequences. Our nation is enriched and our tradition of pluralism is enhanced, not threatened, when religious groups contribute their values to public debates.

As bishops, we have a responsibility as Americans and as religious teachers to speak out on the moral dimensions of public life. The Catholic community enters public life not to impose sectarian doctrine but to act on our moral convictions, to share our experience in serving the poor and vulnerable, and to participate in the dialogue over our nation's future.

A Catholic moral framework does not easily fit the ideologies of "right" or "left," nor tthe platforms of any party. Our values are often not "politically correct." Believers are called to be a community of conscience within the larger society and to test public life by the values of Scripture and the principles of Catholic social teaching. Our responsibility is to measure all candidates, policies, parties, and platforms by how they protect or undermine the life, dignity, and rights of the human person?whether they protect the poor and vulnerable and advance the common good.

Jesus called us to "love one another".3 Our Lord's example and words demand care for the "least of these"4 from each of us. Yet they also require action on a broader scale. Faithful citizenship is about more than elections. It requires ongoing participation in the continuing political and legislative process.

A recent Vatican statement on Catholic participation in political life highlights the need for involvement:

Today's democratic societies . . . call for new and fuller forms of participation in public life by Christian and non-Christian citizens alike. Indeed, all can contribute, by voting in elections for lawmakers and government officials, and in other ways as well, to the development of political solutions and legislative choices which, in their opinion, will benefit the common good.5 In the Catholic tradition, responsible citizenship is a virtue; participation in the political process is a moral obligation. All believers are called to faithful citizenship, to become informed, active, and responsible participants in the political process. As we have said, "We encourage all citizens, particularly Catholics, to embrace their citizenship not merely as a duty and privilege, but as an opportunity meaningfully to participate [more fully] in building the culture of life. Every voice matters in the public forum. Every vote counts. Every act of responsible citizenship is an exercise of significant individual power."6 Even those who are not citizens are called to participate in the debates which shape our common life.



Catholic Assets in the Public Square
Our community of faith brings three major assets to these challenges.

A Consistent Moral Framework
The Word of God and the teachings of the Church give us a particular way of viewing the world. Scripture calls us to "choose life," to serve "the least of these," to "hunger and thirst" for justice and to be "peacemakers."7

Catholic teaching offers consistent moral principles to assess issues, political platforms, and campaigns for their impact on human life and dignity. As Catholics, we are not free to abandon unborn children because they are seen as unwanted or inconvenient; to turn our backs on immigrants because they lack the proper documents; to create and then destroy human lives in a quest for medical advances or profit; to turn away from poor women and children because they lack economic or political power; or to ignore sick people because they have no insurance. Nor can we neglect international responsibilities in the aftermath of war because resources are scarce. Catholic teaching requires us to speak up for the voiceless and to act in accord with universal moral values.

Everyday Experience
Our community also brings to public life broad experience in serving those in need. Every day, the Catholic community educates the young, cares for the sick, shelters the homeless, feeds the hungry, assists needy families, welcomes refugees, and serves the elderly.8 In defense of life, we reach out to children and to the sick, elderly, and disabled who need help. We support women in difficult pregnancies, and we assist those wounded by the trauma of abortion and domestic violence. On many issues, we speak for those who have no voice. These are not abstract issues for us; they have names and faces. We have practical expertise and daily experience to contribute to the public debate.

A Community of People
The Catholic community is large and diverse. We are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We are members of every race, come from every ethnic background, and live in urban, rural, and suburban communities in all fifty states. We are CEOs and migrant farm workers, senators and persons on public assistance, business owners and union members. But all Catholics are called to a common commitment to protect human life and stand with those who are poor and vulnerable. We are all called to provide a moral leaven for our democracy, to be the salt of the earth.9



The Role of the Church
The Church is called to educate Catholics about our social teaching, highlight the moral dimensions of public policies, participate in debates on matters affecting the common good, and witness to the Gospel through our services and ministries. The Catholic community's participation in public affairs does not undermine, but enriches the political process and affirms genuine pluralism. Leaders of the Church have the right and duty to share Catholic teaching and to educate Catholics on the moral dimensions of public life, so that they may form their consciences in light of their faith.

The recent Vatican statement on political life points this out:

[The Church] does not wish to exercise political power or eliminate the freedom of opinion of Catholics regarding contingent questions. Instead, it intends--as is its proper function--to instruct and illuminate the consciences of the faithful, particularly those involved in political life, so that their actions may always serve the integral promotion of the human person and the common good.10 We urge our fellow citizens "to see beyond party politics, to analyze campaign rhetoric critically, and to choose their political leaders according to principle, not party affiliation or mere self-interest."11 As bishops, we seek to form the consciences of our people. We do not wish to instruct persons on how they should vote by endorsing or opposing candidates. We hope that voters will examine the position of candidates on the full range of issues, as well as on their personal integrity, philosophy, and performance. We are convinced that a consistent ethic of life should be the moral framework from which to address issues in the political arena. 12

For Catholics, the defense of human life and dignity is not a narrow cause, but a way of life and a framework for action. A key message of the Vatican statement on public life is that Catholics in politics must reflect the moral values of our faith with clear and consistent priority for the life and dignity of the human person.13 This is the fundamental moral measure of their service. The Vatican statement also points out:

It must be noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals. The Christian faith is an integral unity, and thus it is incoherent to isolate some particular element to the detriment of the whole of Catholic doctrine. A political commitment to a single isolated aspect of the Church's social doctrine does not exhaust one's responsibility towards the common good.14 Decisions about candidates and choices about public policies require clear commitment to moral principles, careful discernment and prudential judgments based on the values of our faith.


The coming elections provide important opportunities to bring together our principles, experience, and community in effective public witness. We hope parishes, dioceses, schools, colleges, and other Catholic institutions will encourage active participation through non-partisan voter registration and education efforts, as well as through ongoing legislative networks and advocacy programs.15 As Catholics we need to share our values, raise our voices, and use our votes to shape a society that protects human life, promotes family life, pursues social justice, and practices solidarity. These efforts can strengthen our nation and renew our Church.



Themes of Catholic Social Teaching
The Catholic approach to faithful citizenship begins with moral principles, not party platforms. The directions for our public witness are found in Scripture and Catholic social teaching. Here are some key themes at the heart of our Catholic social tradition.16

Life and Dignity of the Human Person
Every human person is created in the image and likeness of God. Therefore, each person's life and dignity must be respected, whether that person is an innocent unborn child in a mother's womb, whether that person worked in the World Trade Center or a market in Baghdad, or even whether that person is a convicted criminal on death row. We believe that every human life is sacred from conception to natural death, that people are more important than things, and that the measure of every institution is whether it protects and respects the life and dignity of the human person. As the recent Vatican statement points out, "The Church recognizes that while democracy is the best expression of the direct participation of citizens in political choices, it succeeds only to the extent that it is based on a correct understanding of the human person. Catholic involvement in political life cannot compromise on this principle."17

Call to Family, Community, and Participation
The human person is not only sacred, but social. The God-given institutions of marriage--a lifelong commitment between a man and a woman--and family are central and serve as the foundations for social life. Marriage and family should be supported and strengthened, not undermined. Every person has a right to participate in social, economic, and political life and a corresponding duty to work for the advancement of the common good and the well-being of all, especially the poor and weak.

Rights and Responsibilities
Every person has a fundamental right to life--the right that makes all other rights possible. Each person also has a right to the conditions for living a decent life—faith and family life, food and shelter, education and employment, health care and housing. We also have a duty to secure and respect these rights not only for ourselves, but for others, and to fulfill our responsibilities to our families, to each other, and to the larger society.

Option for the Poor and Vulnerable
Scripture teaches that God has a special concern for the poor and vulnerable.18 The prophets denounced injustice toward the poor as a lack of fidelity to the God of Israel.19 Jesus, who identified himself with "the least of these",20 came to preach "good news to the poor, liberty to captives . . . and to set the downtrodden free."21 The Church calls on all of us to embrace this preferential option for the poor and vulnerable,22 to embody it in our lives, and to work to have it shape public policies and priorities. A fundamental measure of our society is how we care for and stand with the poor and vulnerable.

Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers
The economy must serve people, not the other way around. Work is more than a way to make a living; it is a form of continuing participation in God's act of creation. If the dignity of work is to be protected, then the basic rights of workers, owners, and others must be respected—the right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, to organize and choose to join a union, to economic initiative, and to ownership and private property. These rights must be exercised in ways that advance the common good.

Solidarity
We are one human family. We are our brothers' and sisters' keepers, wherever they may be. Pope John Paul II insists, "We are all really responsible for all". Loving our neighbor has global dimensions in a shrinking world. At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Pope Paul VI taught that "if you want peace, work for justice."23 The Gospel calls us to be "peacemakers."24 Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we be "sentinels of peace" in a world wounded by violence and conflict.25

Caring for God's Creation
The world that God created has been entrusted to us. Our use of it must be directed by God's plan for creation, not simply for our own benefit. Our stewardship of the Earth is a form of participation in God's act of creating and sustaining the world. In our use of creation, we must be guided by a concern for generations to come. We show our respect for the Creator by our care for creation.

These themes anchor our community's role in public life. They help us to resist excessive self-interest, blind partisanship, and ideological agendas. They also help us avoid extreme distortions of pluralism and tolerance that deny any fundamental values and dismiss the contributions and convictions of believers. As the Vatican's statement on public life explains, we cannot accept an understanding of pluralism and tolerance that suggests "every possible outlook on life [is] of equal value".26 However, this insistence that there are fundamental moral values "has nothing to do with the legitimate freedom of Catholic citizens to choose among the various political opinions that are compatible with faith and the natural moral law, and to select, according to their own criteria, what best corresponds to the needs of the common good".27



Moral Priorities for Public Life
We wish to call special attention to issues that we believe are important in the national debate in this campaign and in the years to come. These brief summaries do not indicate the depth and details of the positions we have taken in the documents which are cited at the end of this statement.

Protecting Human Life
Human life is a gift from God, sacred and inviolable. Because every human person is created in the image and likeness of God, we have a duty to defend human life from conception until natural death and in every condition.

Our world does not lack for threats to human life. We watch with horror the deadly violence of terror, war, starvation, and children dying from disease. We face a new and insidious mentality that denies the dignity of some vulnerable human lives and treats killing as a personal choice and social good. As we wrote in Living the Gospel of Life, "Abortion and euthanasia have become preeminent threats to human life and dignity because they directly attack life itself, the most fundamental good and the condition for all others".28 Abortion, the deliberate killing of a human being before birth, is never morally acceptable. The destruction of human embryos as objects of research is wrong. This wrong is compounded when human life is created by cloning or other means only to be destroyed. The purposeful taking of human life by assisted suicide and euthanasia is never an act of mercy. It is an unjustifiable assault on human life. For the same reasons, the intentional targeting of civilians in war or terrorist attacks is always wrong.

In protecting human life, "We must begin with a commitment never to intentionally kill, or collude in the killing, of any innocent human life, no matter how broken, unformed, disabled or desperate that life may seem."29

We urge Catholics and others to promote laws and social policies that protect human life and promote human dignity to the maximum degree possible. Laws that legitimize abortion, assisted suicide, and euthanasia are profoundly unjust and immoral. We support constitutional protection for unborn human life, as well as legislative efforts to end abortion and euthanasia. We encourage the passage of laws and programs that promote childbirth and adoption over abortion and assist pregnant women and children. We support aid to those who are sick and dying by encouraging health care coverage for all as well as effective palliative care. We call on government and medical researchers to base their decisions regarding biotechnology and human experimentation on respect for the inherent dignity and inviolability of human life from its very beginning, regardless of the circumstances of its origin.

Catholic teaching calls on us to work to avoid war. Nations must protect the right to life by finding ever more effective ways to prevent conflicts from arising, to resolve them by peaceful means, and to promote post-conflict reconstruction and reconciliation. All nations have a right and duty to defend human life and the common good against terrorism, aggression, and similar threats. In the aftermath of September 11, we called for continuing outreach to those who had been harmed, clear resolve in responding to terror, moral restraint in the means used, respect for ethical limits on the use of force, greater focus on the roots of terror, and a serious effort to share fairly the burdens of this response. While military force as a last resort can sometimes be justified to defend against aggression and similar threats to the common good, we have raised serious moral concerns and questions about preemptive or preventive use of force.

Even when military force is justified, it must be discriminate and proportionate. Direct, intentional attacks on civilians in war are never morally acceptable. Nor is the use of weapons of mass destruction or other weapons that cause disproportionate harm or that cannot be deployed in ways that distinguish between civilians and soldiers. Therefore, we urge our nation to strengthen barriers against the use of nuclear weapons, to expand controls over existing nuclear materials and other weapons of mass destruction, and to ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty as a step toward much deeper cuts and the eventual elimination of nuclear weapons. We also urge our nation to join the treaty to ban anti-personnel landmines and to address the human consequences of cluster bombs. We further urge our nation to take immediate and serious steps to reduce its own disproportionate role in the scandalous global trade in arms, which contributes to violent conflicts around the world.

Society has a right and duty to defend itself against violent crime and a duty to reach out to victims of crime. Yet our nation's increasing reliance on the death penalty cannot be justified. We do not teach that killing is wrong by killing those who kill others. Pope John Paul II has said the penalty of death is "both cruel and unnecessary".30 The antidote to violence is not more violence. In light of the Holy Father's insistence that this is part of our pro-life commitment, we encourage solutions to violent crime that reflect the dignity of the human person, urging our nation to abandon the use of capital punishment. We also urge passage of legislation that would address problems in the judicial system, and restrict and restrain the use of the death penalty through use of DNA evidence, a guarantee of effective counsel, and efforts to address issues of racial justice.

Promoting Family Life
God established the family as the basic cell of human society. Therefore, we must strive to make the needs and concerns of families a central national priority. Marriage must be protected as a lifelong commitment between a man and a woman and our laws should reflect this principle.. Marriage, as God intended, provides the basic foundation for family life and the common good. It must be supported in the face of the many pressures working to undermine it. Policies related to the definition of marriage, taxes, the workplace, divorce, and welfare must be designed to help families stay together and to reward responsibility and sacrifice for children. Because financial and economic factors have such an impact on the well-being and stability of families, it is important that just wages be paid to those who work to support their families and that generous efforts be made to aid poor families.

Children must be protected and nurtured. We affirm our commitment to the protection of children in all settings and at all times, and we support policies that ensure that the well-being of all children is safeguarded. This is reflected within our Church in the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People and other policies adopted by our bishops' conference and dioceses to ensure the safety of children.

The education of children is a fundamental parental responsibility. Educational systems can support or undermine parental efforts to educate and nurture children. No one model or means of education is appropriate to the needs of all persons. Parents—the first and most important educators—have a fundamental right to choose the education best suited to the needs of their children, including private and religious schools. Families of modest means especially should not be denied this choice because of their economic status. Government should help provide the resources required for parents to exercise this basic right without discrimination. To support parents' efforts to share basic values, we believe a national consensus can be reached so that students in all educational settings have opportunities for moral and character formation to complement their intellectual and physical development.

Communications play a growing role in society and family life. The values of our culture are shaped and shared in the print media as well as on radio, television, and the Internet. We must balance respect for freedom of speech with concern for the common good, promoting responsible regulations that protect children and families. In recent years, reduced government regulation has lowered standards, opened the door to increasingly offensive material, and squeezed out non-commercial, religious programming.

We support regulation that limits the concentration of control over these media; disallows sales of media outlets that attract irresponsible owners primarily seeking a profit; and opens these outlets to a greater variety of program sources, including religious programming. We support a TV rating system and technology that assist parents in supervising what their children view.

The Internet has created both great benefits and some problems. This technology should be available to all students regardless of income. Because it poses serious dangers by giving easy access to pornographic and violent material, we support vigorous enforcement of existing obscenity and child pornography laws, as well as efforts by the industry to develop technology that assists parents, schools, and libraries in blocking out unwanted materials.

Pursuing Social Justice
Our faith reflects God's special concern for the poor and vulnerable and calls us to make their needs our first priority in public life.

Church teaching on economic justice insists that economic decisions and institutions be assessed on whether they protect or undermine the dignity of the human person. We support policies that create jobs for all who can work with decent working conditions and adequate pay that reflects a living wage. We also support efforts to overcome barriers to equal pay and employment for women and those facing unjust discrimination. We reaffirm the Church's traditional support of the right of workers to choose to organize, join a union, bargain collectively, and exercise these rights without reprisal. We also affirm the Church's teaching on the importance of economic freedom, initiative, and the right to private property, through which we have the tools and resources to pursue the common good.

Efforts to provide for the basic financial needs of poor families and children must enhance their lives and protect their dignity. The measure of welfare reform should be reducing poverty and dependency, not cutting resources and programs. We seek approaches that both promote greater responsibility and offer concrete steps to help families leave poverty behind. Welfare reform has focused on providing work and training, mostly in low-wage jobs. Other forms of support are necessary, including tax credits, health care, child care, and safe, affordable housing. Because we believe that families need help with the costs of raising children, we support increasing child tax credits and making them fully refundable. These credits allow families of modest means with children to keep more of what they earn and help lift low-income families out of poverty.

We welcome efforts to recognize and support the work of faith-based groups not as a substitute for, but as a partner with, government efforts. Faith-based and community organizations are often more present, more responsive, and more effective in the poorest communities and countries. We oppose efforts to undermine faith-based institutions and their identity, integrity, and freedom to serve those in need. We also vigorously resist efforts to abandon civil rights protections and the long-standing protections for religious groups to preserve their identity as they serve the poor and advance the common good.

We are also concerned about the income security of low- and average-wage workers and their families when they retire, become disabled, or die. In many cases, women are particularly disadvantaged. Any proposal to change Social Security must provide a decent and reliable income for these workers and their dependents.

Affordable and accessible health care is an essential safeguard of human life, a fundamental human right, and an urgent national priority. We need to reform the nation's health care system, and this reform must be rooted in values that respect human dignity, protect human life, and meet the needs of the poor and uninsured. With tens of millions of Americans lacking basic health insurance, we support measures to ensure that decent health care is available to all as a moral imperative. We also support measures to strengthen Medicare and Medicaid as well as measures that extend health care coverage to children, pregnant women, workers, immigrants, and other vulnerable populations. We support policies that provide effective, compassionate care that reflects our moral values for those suffering from HIV/AIDS and those coping with addictions.

The lack of safe, affordable housing is a national crisis. We support a recommitment to the national pledge of "safe and affordable housing" for all and effective policies that will increase the supply of quality housing and preserve, maintain, and improve existing housing. We promote public/private partnerships, especially those that involve religious communities. We continue to oppose unjust discrimination or unjust exclusion in housing and support measures to help ensure that financial institutions meet the credit needs of local communities.

The first priority for agriculture policy should be food security for all. Food is necessary for life itself. Our support for Food Stamps, the Special Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and other programs that directly benefit poor and low-income people is based on our belief that no one should face hunger in a land of plenty. Those who grow our food should be able to make a decent living and maintain their way of life. Farmers who depend on the land for their livelihood deserve a decent return for their labor. Rural communities deserve help so that they can continue to be sources of strength and support for a way of life that enriches our nation. Our priority concern for the poor calls us to advocate especially for the needs of farm workers, whose pay is generally inadequate, whose housing and working conditions are often deplorable, and who are particularly vulnerable to exploitation. We urge that public policies support sustainable agriculture and careful stewardship of the Earth and its natural resources.

The Gospel mandate to love our neighbor and welcome the stranger leads the Church to care for and stand with immigrants, both documented and undocumented. While affirming the right and responsibility of sovereign nations to control their borders and to ensure the security of their citizens, especially in the wake of September 11, we seek basic protections for immigrants, including due process rights, access to basic public benefits, and fair naturalization and legalization opportunities. We oppose efforts to stem migration that do not effectively address its root causes and permit the continuation of the political, social, and economic inequities that contribute to it. We believe our nation must remain a place of refuge for those fleeing persecution and suffering exploitation—refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking.

All persons, by virtue of their dignity as human persons, have an inalienable right to receive a quality education. We must ensure that our nation's young people?especially the poor, those with disabilities, and the most vulnerable?are properly prepared to be good citizens, to lead productive lives, and to be socially and morally responsible in the complicated and technologically challenging world of the twenty-first century. This requires that all educational institutions have an orderly, just, respectful, and non-violent environment where adequate professional and material resources are available. We support the necessary initiatives that provide adequate funding to educate all persons no matter what school they attend—public, private, or religious—or their personal condition.

We also support providing salaries and benefits to all teachers and administrators that reflect the principles of economic justice, as well as providing the resources necessary for teachers to be academically and personally prepared for the critical tasks they face. As a matter of justice, we believe that when services aimed at improving the educational environment—especially for those most at risk—are available to students and teachers in public schools, these services should be available to students and teachers in private and religious schools as well.

Our schools and our society in general must address the growing "culture of violence." We need to promote a greater sense of moral responsibility, to advocate a reduction in violence in the media, to support gun safety measures and reasonable restrictions on access to assault weapons and hand guns, and to oppose the use of the death penalty. We also believe a Catholic ethic of responsibility, rehabilitation, and restoration can become the foundation for the necessary reform of our broken criminal justice system.

Our society must also continue to combat discrimination based on sex, race, ethnicity, disabling condition, or age. Discrimination constitutes a grave injustice and an affront to human dignity. It must be aggressively resisted. Where the effects of past discrimination persist, society has the obligation to take positive steps to overcome the legacy of injustice. We support judiciously administered affirmative action programs as tools to overcome discrimination and its continuing effects.

In the words of Pope John Paul II, care for the Earth and for the environment is a "moral issue."31 We support policies that protect the land, water, and the air we share. Reasonable and effective initiatives are required for energy conservation and the development of alternate, renewable, and clean-energy resources. We encourage citizens and public officials to seriously address global climate change, focusing on prudence, the common good, and the option for the poor, particularly its impact on developing nations. The United States should lead the developed nations in contributing to the sustainable development of poorer nations and greater justice in sharing the burden of environmental neglect and recovery.

Practicing Global Solidarity
September 11 has given us a new sense of vulnerability. However, we must be careful not to define our security primarily in military terms. Our nation must join with others in addressing policies and problems that provide fertile ground in which terrorism can thrive. No injustice legitimizes the horror we have experienced. But a more just world will be a more peaceful world.

In a world where one-fifth of the population survives on less than one dollar per day, where some twenty countries are involved in major armed conflict, and where poverty, corruption, and repressive regimes bring untold suffering to millions of people, we simply cannot remain indifferent. As a wealthy and powerful nation, the United States has the capacity and the responsibility to address this scandal of poverty and underdevelopment. As a principal force in globalization, we have a responsibility to humanize globalization, and to spread its benefits to all, especially the world's poorest, while addressing its negative consequences. As the world's sole superpower, the United States also has an unprecedented opportunity to work in partnership with others to build a system of cooperative security that will lead to a more united and more just world.


The United States should take a leading role in helping to alleviate global poverty through a comprehensive development agenda, including substantially increased development aid for the poorest countries, more equitable trade policies, and continuing efforts to relieve the crushing burdens of debt and disease.

More concerted efforts to ensure the promotion of religious liberty and other basic human rights should be an integral part of U.S. foreign policy.

It is a moral imperative that the United States work to reverse the spread of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, and to reduce its own reliance on weapons of mass destruction by pursuing progressive nuclear disarmament. It also should reduce its own predominant role in the conventional arms trade.

The United States should provide more consistent political and financial support for appropriate United Nations programs, other international bodies, and international law, so that these institutions may become more effective, responsible, and responsive agents for addressing global problems.

Asylum must be afforded to all refugees who hold a well-founded fear of persecution in their homelands. Our country should support protection for persons fleeing persecution through safe haven in other countries, including the United States, especially for unaccompanied children, single women, women heads of families, and religious minorities.

The United States should adopt a more generous immigration and refugee policy based on providing temporary or permanent safe haven for those in need; protecting immigrant workers from exploitation; promoting family reunification; safeguarding the right of all peoples to return to their homelands; ensuring that public benefits and a fair and efficient process for obtaining citizenship are available to immigrants; extending to immigrants the full protection of U.S. law; offering a generous legalization program to undocumented immigrants, and addressing the root causes of migration.

Our country should be a leader--in collaboration with the international community--in addressing regional conflicts in the Middle East, the Balkans, the Congo, Sudan, Colombia, and West Africa. Leadership on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an especially urgent priority. The United States should actively pursue comprehensive negotiations leading to a just and peaceful resolution of this conflict that respects the legitimate claims and aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians, ensuring security for Israel, a viable state for Palestinians, and peace in the region. The United States, working with the international community, must also make the sustained commitment necessary to help bring stability, democracy, freedom, and prosperity to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Building peace, combating poverty and despair, and protecting freedom and human rights are not only moral imperatives; they are wise national priorities. Given its enormous power and influence in world affairs, the United States has a special responsibility to ensure that it is a force for justice and peace beyond its borders. "Liberty and justice for all" is not only a profound national pledge; it is a worthy goal for any our nation in its role as world leader.


Conclusion
We hope these reflections will contribute to a renewed political vitality in our land. We urge all Catholics to register, vote, and become more involved in public life, to protect human life and dignity, and to advance the common good.

The 2004 elections and the policy choices we will face in the future pose significant challenges for our Church. As an institution, we are called to be political but not partisan. The Church cannot be a chaplain for any one party or cheerleader for any candidate. Our cause is the protection of the weak and vulnerable and defense of human life and dignity, not a particular party or candidate.

The Church is called to be principled but not ideological. We cannot compromise our basic values or teaching, but we should be open to different ways to advance them.

We are called to be clear but also civil. A Church that advocates justice and charity must practice these virtues in public life. We should be clear about our principles and priorities, without impugning motives or name-calling.

The Church is called to be engaged but not used. We welcome dialogue with political leaders and candidates, seeking to engage and persuade public officials. But we must be sure that events and "photo-ops" are not substitutes for work on policies that reflect our values.

The call to faithful citizenship raises a fundamental question for all of us. What does it mean to be a Catholic living in the United States in the year 2004 and beyond? As Catholics, the election and the policy choices that follow it call us to recommit ourselves to carry the values of the Gospel and church teaching into the public square. As citizens and residents of the United States, we have the duty to participate now and in the future in the debates and choices over the values, vision, and leaders that will guide our nation.

This dual calling of faith and citizenship is at the heart of what it means to be a Catholic in the United States. Faithful citizenship calls us to seek "a place at the table" of life for all God's children in the elections of 2004 and beyond.
GrrrlRomeo
Uhmm...The Vatican is in Italy and the Pope isn't a US citizen. For those reasons alone they have no business trying to shape American politics. The US does not collect taxes from the Vatican and the Vatican has no representation in the United States government. How the Vatican shapes their Church, however, is their business.
Mesmerize
Excuse me? The Pope is "WARNING Protestant churches", and he is judging other churches, which is also sticking his nose into other churches business and THREATENING to withdraw from ecumenism if they don't follow along with what HE says. So that means all the rest of the Protestant churches either go along with him or he will leave. Ok, well if he wants to leave ecumenism that is his choice, but I feel I have as much right to be offended by his stance as he does to make it. I haven't heard our churches tell him either he follows our beliefs or we will leave ecumenism. The bigoted one is not me. I didn't attack your church, I simply disagreed with HIS statement. If he hadn't made it, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

Towards the last of the election, the only thing I heard in the media was how the Catholics were pushing to vote against Kerry and denied him communion, and the Pope's stance on homosexuality etc.

"http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/111404PopeGay.htm

"(Vatican City) Pope John Paul on Saturday warned Protestant churches that liberal views toward homosexuality would result in the Vatican withdrawing from ecumenism."



QUOTE(Truthseeker @ Nov 15 2004, 07:23 PM)
I am so sick and tired of bigoted remarks.  Don't you know that the Pope actually directed Catholics to vote for more than the one issue of pro-life.  He opposed the war in Iraq which he called illegal and immoral and he and Bush came to loggerheads over it.  The Pope di not directly tell us to vote for Kerry but his message was clear.  Any responsible Catholic who read his directive could only come to one conclusion and that was to vote for Kerry since Bush had failed in so many respects. Neither did the Pope say that Kerry would be ex-communicated but that's another story.  52% of Catholics voted for Bush and it makes me so angry because they allowed themselves to listen to the political agenda from their own priests rather than heed the words coming from the Vatican or the US Conference of Bishops.  I'm pretty disgusted about the whole Catholic vote.  Here - take a look at this......

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0405416.htm
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mtnmagic
...I say this as a Catholic getting ready to dodge a proverbial lightening bolt:

More evidence that the Pope is too old, too sick, and probably senile....only God
knows what is going on at the Vatican, but it sure seems time to be looking for
a white puff of smoke soon!
GrrrlRomeo
This is really more of a separation of Church and State issue than it is a Civil Rights issue. I don't need to be convinced whether a religion does or does not disciminate against gays because it's none of my concern if I'm not part of that religion. And whether one church is better than another or one church is discriminating against another church is again none of my concern as a gay person seeking equal rights under the law. I don't care what the Pope says or what any church says as long as it's kept separate from the State.

If you have concerns about religion in politics than go to the Religion in Politics forum to discuss it because I feel like I'm being preached at when it's posted in the Civil Rights > GLBT Issues forum. I was raised Catholic and certainly do not need to be lectured on Catholicism.
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