Going back to bed the reason why I was able to post is because my sleeping schudule had been messed up. I'm trying to shock it back to normal. Keep track of what happens with the Delay trail today.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/3476706.html
DeLay's defense to argue today for dismissal
AUSTIN - U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay's hearing in criminal court today will focus on legal arguments on whether the indictments against him should be dismissed.
Senior Judge Pat Priest has told lawyers in the case that he wants no witnesses at the hearing. Expectations are high among the lawyers that Priest — author of the 1998 book Texas Courtroom Criminal Evidence — will rule from the bench on whether the case should go to trial or be tossed out.
"All reports on him say he makes up his mind pretty rapidly, so he may very well rule from the bench," said DeLay's attorney, Dick DeGuerin of Houston.
DeLay, R-Sugar Land, is facing two indictments that accuse him of conspiracy to violate state election laws, money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He is facing the charges with two political associates: Jim Ellis and John Colyandro.
Point, counterpoint
DeGuerin said he is confident Priest will agree with lawyers for the defendants that the indictments should be dismissed.
Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle on Monday filed a 64-page legal brief on why Priest should uphold the indictments.
"I fully expect Ronnie Earle to appeal if we win," DeGuerin said. "If we lose, we're going to ask for a speedy trial. We're not going to appeal, because we've got to get it over with."
DeLay had to step down as U.S. House majority leader when the first indictment was returned against him on Sept. 28. He can only regain the post if the indictments against him are dismissed or if he wins an acquittal at trial.
DeGuerin said Priest could find a legal fault with the indictment that does not clearly end the case. He said Earle could amend the indictment within 10 days or reindict the case.
Can work during appeal
DeGuerin said DeLay wants a ruling dismissing the indictment and discharging DeLay. He said Earle could appeal that ruling, but while the case is on appeal DeLay will not be under indictment. "If he's not under indictment, that means he can go back to Congress and say, 'See, I told you this was all political,' " DeGuerin said.
Earle has not been commenting on the case since DeGuerin filed a motion to move the trial out of Travis County, a Democratic stronghold.
The case involves corporate money raised and spent in the 2002 Texas House elections by the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority, TRMPAC. Texas law restricts the use of corporate money in campaigns for elective office.
In one instance, TRMPAC donated $190,000 to the Republican National Committee shortly before the RNC donated $190,000 in unrestricted individual donations to seven Texas House candidates.
The indictments allege the contributions were part of a scheme to circumvent Texas election law. DeLay and the other defendants say there was no exchange of money.
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I think Delay also wants to get his trial over before all of the Abramoff evidence begins spilling out. 
So the lawyers of the rich, fat, ugly, and powerful thugs can keep showing that, with money, they can override the American Judicial System, force the courts to change laywers, free their indicted clients without a trial? Wow, what has America become with rich and powerful thugs, like DeLay?
It's bad enough to have thugs in the White House who can lie to blow up any nation, leak CiA covert agents as they please, believe they can train Iraqi soldiers to saveguard the Iraqi borders when they can't even secure our American borders, have their Halliburton friends monopolize American business and international contracts, bless the corrupt Oil Corporations for manipulating the American public with price fixing, throw good, hard-earned American dollars to make sure that their personal buddies take control of Iraq to loot the Iraqi Oil wealth for their personal stake while our Katrina citizens still are suffering, put incompetent and unqualified buddies and partners on top jobs to keep empowering themselves for establishing their New World Order, have fradulent machines and manipulative and corrupt strategies set-up to cheat on the Presidential elections, keep covering up for spies caught on espionage, mislead Americans to take Iraq to war and leave thousands and thousands of innocent civillians and American soldiers dead while the greatest American enemy, Bin Laden and his thugs escape American and world justice,, call our soldiers cowards if they were to do the only decent thing by leaving Iraq to allow the Iraqis to decide for themselves as to what's good for them, and keep lying to their teeth with the Rovian tactics for their misappropriations, mistakes, and manipulations? Should these thugs be allowed to be treated as America's gods? Can manipulative high-priced lawyers be ALWAYS allowed to set their rich, manipulative and corrupt clients free? To dismiss DeLay's case, without a trial, would be a clear contempt of our American Judicial System. No man, not even the President should above the American Legal System. Only Dictators and Communists give themselves that priviledge. No high-priced lawyers should be allowed to ridicule our American Judicial System!
DeLay should go to trial!
It's bad enough to have thugs in the White House who can lie to blow up any nation, leak CiA covert agents as they please, believe they can train Iraqi soldiers to saveguard the Iraqi borders when they can't even secure our American borders, have their Halliburton friends monopolize American business and international contracts, bless the corrupt Oil Corporations for manipulating the American public with price fixing, throw good, hard-earned American dollars to make sure that their personal buddies take control of Iraq to loot the Iraqi Oil wealth for their personal stake while our Katrina citizens still are suffering, put incompetent and unqualified buddies and partners on top jobs to keep empowering themselves for establishing their New World Order, have fradulent machines and manipulative and corrupt strategies set-up to cheat on the Presidential elections, keep covering up for spies caught on espionage, mislead Americans to take Iraq to war and leave thousands and thousands of innocent civillians and American soldiers dead while the greatest American enemy, Bin Laden and his thugs escape American and world justice,, call our soldiers cowards if they were to do the only decent thing by leaving Iraq to allow the Iraqis to decide for themselves as to what's good for them, and keep lying to their teeth with the Rovian tactics for their misappropriations, mistakes, and manipulations? Should these thugs be allowed to be treated as America's gods? Can manipulative high-priced lawyers be ALWAYS allowed to set their rich, manipulative and corrupt clients free? To dismiss DeLay's case, without a trial, would be a clear contempt of our American Judicial System. No man, not even the President should above the American Legal System. Only Dictators and Communists give themselves that priviledge. No high-priced lawyers should be allowed to ridicule our American Judicial System!
DeLay should go to trial!
This will send a clear message of how accountable we are going to hold these crooks. I really don't think they'll dismiss the charges outright, but am not so sure about the change of venue.
Keep your fingers crossed that real justice is done and DeLay has to pay for his sins.
Keep your fingers crossed that real justice is done and DeLay has to pay for his sins.
It's time ALL decent and America-loving citizens stand up against all the manipulative high-priced lawyers who help their clients cheat America's Judicial System and ridicule Justice!
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Nov 22 2005, 01:48 AM)
Senior Judge Pat Priest has told lawyers in the case that he wants no witnesses at the hearing. Expectations are high among the lawyers that Priest — author of the 1998 book Texas Courtroom Criminal Evidence — will rule from the bench on whether the case should go to trial or be tossed out.
"All reports on him say he makes up his mind pretty rapidly, so he may very well rule from the bench," said DeLay's attorney, Dick DeGuerin of Houston.
"All reports on him say he makes up his mind pretty rapidly, so he may very well rule from the bench," said DeLay's attorney, Dick DeGuerin of Houston.
I agree. Under Texas Law, there is no reason why this case cannot proceed direct to hanging.
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 22 2005, 10:56 AM)
I agree. Under Texas Law, there is no reason why this case cannot proceed direct to hanging.
We should be so lucky! Actually, Austin American Statesman just said there would be no decision for several days on whether or not to dismiss.
The biggest problem for Delay to get it dismissed will be if Delay's lawyer feels like he's soaked as much cash out of Delay as possible, until then all the lawyers involved will keep it going.
QUOTE(Marine @ Nov 22 2005, 12:28 PM)
The biggest problem for Delay to get it dismissed will be if Delay's lawyer feels like he's soaked as much cash out of Delay as possible, until then all the lawyers involved will keep it going.
Interesting point...I'm starting to listen.
It may be hard to convict Delay (or maybe even
convince a Texas judge to try him) unless the
Abramoff thing takes him to fed court. Not that
I doubt he laundered political money, but you
need someone who can lay testimony on the court
that there was an understanding with the RNC.
I believe the fed prosecutors are better staffed,
and stronger with threats against subordinates.
Meanwhile, the attorney in the 10-gallon hat is milkin' the bull.
(I didn't know you could do that until Laura Bush explained it.
)
QUOTE(Marine @ Nov 22 2005, 02:28 PM)
The biggest problem for Delay to get it dismissed will be if Delay's lawyer feels like he's soaked as much cash out of Delay as possible, until then all the lawyers involved will keep it going.
Isn't that the truth. I understand that lots of bucks have been pouring into the defense fund like this is a one man legal WPA project. Want to go in with me on the coffee concession?
QUOTE(Brookie @ Nov 23 2005, 07:51 PM)
Isn't that the truth. I understand that lots of bucks have been pouring into the defense fund like this is a one man legal WPA project. Want to go in with me on the coffee concession?
No thanks, my experience with lawyers is they'll drink the coffee then bill you for the time it took them to swill it down.
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December 18, 2005
A Ruling Against DeLay
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
AUSTIN, Tex., Dec. 17 (AP) - A judge said Saturday that he would not immediately consider separating two criminal charges against Representative Tom DeLay to allow an early trial.
Earlier this month, the judge, Pat Priest, dismissed a conspiracy charge against Mr. DeLay but refused to throw out charges of money laundering. Prosecutors are appealing the ruling.
Mr. DeLay's lawyers had hoped Judge Priest would separate the charges to move forward on the money laundering charge while waiting for the appeals court decision.
Copyright 2005The New York Times Company
December 18, 2005
A Ruling Against DeLay
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
AUSTIN, Tex., Dec. 17 (AP) - A judge said Saturday that he would not immediately consider separating two criminal charges against Representative Tom DeLay to allow an early trial.
Earlier this month, the judge, Pat Priest, dismissed a conspiracy charge against Mr. DeLay but refused to throw out charges of money laundering. Prosecutors are appealing the ruling.
Mr. DeLay's lawyers had hoped Judge Priest would separate the charges to move forward on the money laundering charge while waiting for the appeals court decision.
Copyright 2005The New York Times Company
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Appeals Court Said to Hear DeLay Request Wed Dec 28, 4:42 AM ET
The state's highest criminal court has agreed to hear Tom DeLay's latest request for a quick resolution to money laundering charges that forced him to give up his leadership post in the U.S. House, his spokesman said Tuesday.
The all-Republican Texas Court of Criminal Appeals ruled that both sides have a week to submit arguments, DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said in an e-mail. DeLay's attorneys asked the court either to dismiss money laundering charges or to order a lower court to try him immediately.
DeLay attorney Dick DeGuerin took the case to the criminal appeals court Friday, one day after the 3rd Court of Appeals denied his request that the case be sent back to the trial court or expedited through the appeals process.
DeGuerin and a spokesman for Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle did not return phone calls seeking comment Tuesday night.
DeLay, a Republican from Sugar Land, was forced to step aside as House majority leader after he was indicted on money laundering and conspiracy charges in September.
He denies wrongdoing and has been pressing for a quick resolution to his case so he can regain his post before his colleagues call for new leadership elections. His case was put on hold, however, when prosecutors appealed a judge's partial dismissal of the criminal charges.
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Appeals Court Said to Hear DeLay Request Wed Dec 28, 4:42 AM ET
The state's highest criminal court has agreed to hear Tom DeLay's latest request for a quick resolution to money laundering charges that forced him to give up his leadership post in the U.S. House, his spokesman said Tuesday.
The all-Republican Texas Court of Criminal Appeals ruled that both sides have a week to submit arguments, DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said in an e-mail. DeLay's attorneys asked the court either to dismiss money laundering charges or to order a lower court to try him immediately.
DeLay attorney Dick DeGuerin took the case to the criminal appeals court Friday, one day after the 3rd Court of Appeals denied his request that the case be sent back to the trial court or expedited through the appeals process.
DeGuerin and a spokesman for Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle did not return phone calls seeking comment Tuesday night.
DeLay, a Republican from Sugar Land, was forced to step aside as House majority leader after he was indicted on money laundering and conspiracy charges in September.
He denies wrongdoing and has been pressing for a quick resolution to his case so he can regain his post before his colleagues call for new leadership elections. His case was put on hold, however, when prosecutors appealed a judge's partial dismissal of the criminal charges.
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Delay Bamboozed Us --- At least his Spoke Person Did ---
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
(December 29, 2005 -- 02:07 AM EST // link)
The bamboozlement makes it half way around the world before ... well, this from the San Antonio Express-News ...
Media reports that U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay had convinced the state's highest court to hear his appeal were as widely circulated as they were, well, wrong.
Justices for the Texas Court Criminal Appeals agreed merely to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case. They never said they would accept the case, said Edward Marty, the court's general counsel.
The erroneous media reports, which the San Antonio Express-News published in a wire story and displayed online, come from DeLay's spokesman, Kevin Madden, in an e-mail sent to reporters Tuesday evening, after courts had closed for the night.
“FYI-Breaking news out of Austin, TX,” the e-mail stated. “The state Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed to hear Mr. DeLay's habeas motion that was filed at the end of last week. The court has set a one-week deadline for briefs to be filed by the parties involved. The court could essentially decide to end Ronnie Earle's prosecution after hearing this motion and the facts presented.”
Asked about his on-the-fly bamboozlement, Madden told the paper's Lisa Sandberg: "In an effort to be instantaneous, I wasn't precise.....My understanding (of the decision) was correct. The way I relayed it wasn't."
-- Josh Marshall
What a horses ass ... he'll stoop to all time lows to spin himself ... pathetic !!!
:globe:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
(December 29, 2005 -- 02:07 AM EST // link)
The bamboozlement makes it half way around the world before ... well, this from the San Antonio Express-News ...
Media reports that U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay had convinced the state's highest court to hear his appeal were as widely circulated as they were, well, wrong.
Justices for the Texas Court Criminal Appeals agreed merely to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case. They never said they would accept the case, said Edward Marty, the court's general counsel.
The erroneous media reports, which the San Antonio Express-News published in a wire story and displayed online, come from DeLay's spokesman, Kevin Madden, in an e-mail sent to reporters Tuesday evening, after courts had closed for the night.
“FYI-Breaking news out of Austin, TX,” the e-mail stated. “The state Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed to hear Mr. DeLay's habeas motion that was filed at the end of last week. The court has set a one-week deadline for briefs to be filed by the parties involved. The court could essentially decide to end Ronnie Earle's prosecution after hearing this motion and the facts presented.”
Asked about his on-the-fly bamboozlement, Madden told the paper's Lisa Sandberg: "In an effort to be instantaneous, I wasn't precise.....My understanding (of the decision) was correct. The way I relayed it wasn't."
-- Josh Marshall
What a horses ass ... he'll stoop to all time lows to spin himself ... pathetic !!!
:globe:
Grrr....
QUOTE(USA#1 @ Dec 29 2005, 10:43 AM)
Delay Bamboozed Us --- At least his Spoke Person Did ---
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
(December 29, 2005 -- 02:07 AM EST // link)
The bamboozlement makes it half way around the world before ... well, this from the San Antonio Express-News ...
Media reports that U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay had convinced the state's highest court to hear his appeal were as widely circulated as they were, well, wrong.
Justices for the Texas Court Criminal Appeals agreed merely to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case. They never said they would accept the case, said Edward Marty, the court's general counsel.
The erroneous media reports, which the San Antonio Express-News published in a wire story and displayed online, come from DeLay's spokesman, Kevin Madden, in an e-mail sent to reporters Tuesday evening, after courts had closed for the night.
“FYI-Breaking news out of Austin, TX,” the e-mail stated. “The state Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed to hear Mr. DeLay's habeas motion that was filed at the end of last week. The court has set a one-week deadline for briefs to be filed by the parties involved. The court could essentially decide to end Ronnie Earle's prosecution after hearing this motion and the facts presented.”
Asked about his on-the-fly bamboozlement, Madden told the paper's Lisa Sandberg: "In an effort to be instantaneous, I wasn't precise.....My understanding (of the decision) was correct. The way I relayed it wasn't."
-- Josh Marshall
What a horses ass ... he'll stoop to all time lows to spin himself ... pathetic !!!
:globe:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
(December 29, 2005 -- 02:07 AM EST // link)
The bamboozlement makes it half way around the world before ... well, this from the San Antonio Express-News ...
Media reports that U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay had convinced the state's highest court to hear his appeal were as widely circulated as they were, well, wrong.
Justices for the Texas Court Criminal Appeals agreed merely to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case. They never said they would accept the case, said Edward Marty, the court's general counsel.
The erroneous media reports, which the San Antonio Express-News published in a wire story and displayed online, come from DeLay's spokesman, Kevin Madden, in an e-mail sent to reporters Tuesday evening, after courts had closed for the night.
“FYI-Breaking news out of Austin, TX,” the e-mail stated. “The state Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed to hear Mr. DeLay's habeas motion that was filed at the end of last week. The court has set a one-week deadline for briefs to be filed by the parties involved. The court could essentially decide to end Ronnie Earle's prosecution after hearing this motion and the facts presented.”
Asked about his on-the-fly bamboozlement, Madden told the paper's Lisa Sandberg: "In an effort to be instantaneous, I wasn't precise.....My understanding (of the decision) was correct. The way I relayed it wasn't."
-- Josh Marshall
What a horses ass ... he'll stoop to all time lows to spin himself ... pathetic !!!
:globe:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/sto...N.218fe33d.html
QUOTE
Justices agree to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case
Web Posted: 12/28/2005 03:49 PM CST
Lisa Sandberg
Express-News Austin Bureau
AUSTIN — Media reports that U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay had convinced the state's highest court to hear his appeal were as widely circulated as they were, well, wrong.
Justices for the Texas Court Criminal Appeals agreed merely to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case. They never said they would accept the case, said Edward Marty, the court's general counsel.
The erroneous media reports, which the San Antonio Express-News published in a wire story and displayed online, come from DeLay's spokesman, Kevin Madden, in an e-mail sent to reporters Tuesday evening, after courts had closed for the night.
“FYI-Breaking news out of Austin, TX,” the e-mail stated. “The state Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed to hear Mr. DeLay's habeas motion that was filed at the end of last week. The court has set a one-week deadline for briefs to be filed by the parties involved. The court could essentially decide to end Ronnie Earle's prosecution after hearing this motion and the facts presented.”
Madden said this afternoon that he made an error and never intended to “spin” the story.
“In an effort to be instantaneous, I wasn't precise.....My understanding (of the decision) was correct. The way I relayed it wasn't,” he said.
University of Texas School of Law professor George Dix said the court's decision not to reject DeLay's appeal outright was like not slamming a door in DeLay's face. Dix likened it to a stranger who walks up to a guy's house looking for money.
First, the stranger has to get the man in the house to answer the door and agree to let him make his pitch. Then the stranger has to convince the guy to fork over the money.
This decision “is like seeing who's at the door,” Dix said. “Things haven't gone as bad (for DeLay) as they could have gone.”
The court gave state prosecutors one week to submit briefs.
DeLay and two political associates face money laundering charges in connection with a scheme prosecutors say illegally put corporate money into the coffers of GOP candidates running in 2002 for the Texas House.
The former House Majority Leader, who was forced to resign his leadership post the day he was indicted, asked the state's highest court on Friday to either dismiss the charges or order the lower courts to try him in January. He hopes to be absolved of the charges before Congress finds a permanent replacement for the post.
Web Posted: 12/28/2005 03:49 PM CST
Lisa Sandberg
Express-News Austin Bureau
AUSTIN — Media reports that U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay had convinced the state's highest court to hear his appeal were as widely circulated as they were, well, wrong.
Justices for the Texas Court Criminal Appeals agreed merely to consider hearing DeLay's money laundering case. They never said they would accept the case, said Edward Marty, the court's general counsel.
The erroneous media reports, which the San Antonio Express-News published in a wire story and displayed online, come from DeLay's spokesman, Kevin Madden, in an e-mail sent to reporters Tuesday evening, after courts had closed for the night.
“FYI-Breaking news out of Austin, TX,” the e-mail stated. “The state Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed to hear Mr. DeLay's habeas motion that was filed at the end of last week. The court has set a one-week deadline for briefs to be filed by the parties involved. The court could essentially decide to end Ronnie Earle's prosecution after hearing this motion and the facts presented.”
Madden said this afternoon that he made an error and never intended to “spin” the story.
“In an effort to be instantaneous, I wasn't precise.....My understanding (of the decision) was correct. The way I relayed it wasn't,” he said.
University of Texas School of Law professor George Dix said the court's decision not to reject DeLay's appeal outright was like not slamming a door in DeLay's face. Dix likened it to a stranger who walks up to a guy's house looking for money.
First, the stranger has to get the man in the house to answer the door and agree to let him make his pitch. Then the stranger has to convince the guy to fork over the money.
This decision “is like seeing who's at the door,” Dix said. “Things haven't gone as bad (for DeLay) as they could have gone.”
The court gave state prosecutors one week to submit briefs.
DeLay and two political associates face money laundering charges in connection with a scheme prosecutors say illegally put corporate money into the coffers of GOP candidates running in 2002 for the Texas House.
The former House Majority Leader, who was forced to resign his leadership post the day he was indicted, asked the state's highest court on Friday to either dismiss the charges or order the lower courts to try him in January. He hopes to be absolved of the charges before Congress finds a permanent replacement for the post.
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