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Indianhead
Veterans groups accuse Pentagon of planning to cut health benefits
BY DALE EISMAN
The Virginian-Pilot

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon hopes to reap billions of dollars to pay for ships, aircraft and other weapons by doubling or tripling health insurance premiums paid by military retirees and driving 600,000 of those pensioners out of the military medical system, a coalition of veterans organizations charges.

Groups representing more than 1 million military pensioners - those who served at least 20 years - are organizing a telephone and letter-writing campaign to block the idea if it surfaces in Congress or to persuade the Bush administration to abandon it.

The retirees say the proposal breaks faith with former service members and their families and risks alienating thousands of active duty troops who may see it as eroding benefits they expect in retirement.

Because promises of free or low-cost health care are part of the military's recruiting effort, new fees could be an obstacle to recruiting, the veterans argue.
"They sort of pit us against the active duty force," said Michael Barrett, a retired Navy commander living in Williamsburg.


...more at:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...cs/13655044.htm

Any of y'all career guys know about this?
dggfwtx
Many, many companies in private industry are doing this too, as well as cutting off insurances for the spouses and families of retirees. Breaking faith with employees is, sadly, becoming the American way.
Marine
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jan 19 2006, 08:28 AM)
Veterans groups accuse Pentagon of planning to cut health benefits
BY DALE EISMAN
The Virginian-Pilot

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon hopes to reap billions of dollars to pay for ships, aircraft and other weapons by doubling or tripling health insurance premiums paid by military retirees and driving 600,000 of those pensioners out of the military medical system, a coalition of veterans organizations charges.

Groups representing more than 1 million military pensioners - those who served at least 20 years - are organizing a telephone and letter-writing campaign to block the idea if it surfaces in Congress or to persuade the Bush administration to abandon it.

The retirees say the proposal breaks faith with former service members and their families and risks alienating thousands of active duty troops who may see it as eroding benefits they expect in retirement.

Because promises of free or low-cost health care are part of the military's recruiting effort, new fees could be an obstacle to recruiting, the veterans argue.
"They sort of pit us against the active duty force," said Michael Barrett, a retired Navy commander living in Williamsburg.
...more at:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...cs/13655044.htm

Any of y'all career guys know about this?
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I've known they were increasing the fee for a while now, I don't like paying more but ya know something? It's still cheap for what we get in return.
Indianhead
QUOTE(Marine @ Jan 19 2006, 01:47 PM)
I've known they were increasing the fee for a while now, I don't like paying more but ya know something?  It's still cheap for what we get in return.
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If y'all are happy...I'm happy...double or triple? Wow.
Good thing ya got a pocket full of MPC

Marine
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jan 19 2006, 06:34 PM)
If y'all are happy...I'm happy...double or triple? Wow.
Good thing ya got a pocket full of MPC


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I don't remember the exact dollar amount but if my memory serves me correctly I'll have to pay the astronomical sum of $720 a year for me, the wife, and my youngest daughter.

I guess I'm just easy to please.
Indianhead
I pay that a quarter for myself and my wife
for Blue Cross...looks like you're set. Congrats.
AFTERGLOW
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jan 19 2006, 07:28 AM)
Veterans groups accuse Pentagon of planning to cut health benefits
BY DALE EISMAN
The Virginian-Pilot

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon hopes to reap billions of dollars to pay for ships, aircraft and other weapons by doubling or tripling health insurance premiums paid by military retirees and driving 600,000 of those pensioners out of the military medical system, a coalition of veterans organizations charges.

Groups representing more than 1 million military pensioners - those who served at least 20 years - are organizing a telephone and letter-writing campaign to block the idea if it surfaces in Congress or to persuade the Bush administration to abandon it.

The retirees say the proposal breaks faith with former service members and their families and risks alienating thousands of active duty troops who may see it as eroding benefits they expect in retirement.

Because promises of free or low-cost health care are part of the military's recruiting effort, new fees could be an obstacle to recruiting, the veterans argue.
"They sort of pit us against the active duty force," said Michael Barrett, a retired Navy commander living in Williamsburg.
...more at:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...cs/13655044.htm

Any of y'all career guys know about this?
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The increased amount for health care doesn't bother me, but the reason given really pisses me off. Sec Def and his gang told the joint chiefs they could have money for weapons, or they could have money for health care, but not for both.

My calculations would have that us 600,000.00 paid $500.00 more per year, it would generate $3,000,000,000.00. Although it represents a very large amount, it hardly gives the military a real big boost in their coffers. JMHO!

joe e wink.gif
flydangler
Here's an update:

Retirees Dig in Heels Over Tricare Fees

Stars and Stripes | By Tom Philpott | April 06, 2006

Ignoring the intimidating props — boxes of angry letters from thousands of military retirees — senior Defense officials and military leaders appeared March 29 before a contentious House subcommittee to make their case for hiking Tricare fees sharply for under-65 retirees and their families.

In the verbal sparring that ensued, Pentagon leaders gave as good as they got. But no lawmaker took the role of referee. All threw punches on behalf of retirees, and treated with kid gloves a second panel of witnesses representing dozens of pro-retiree military associations and veteran groups.

The Pentagon’s plan to boost out-of-pocket Tricare costs for 3 million beneficiaries, to include a tripling of managed-care enrollment fees for retired officers and a doubling for senior enlisted retirees, seemed to shatter some traditional alliances and form new ones.

Republicans and Democrats together questioned the realism of projected cost savings from raising Tricare fees and the wisdom of doing so in wartime. The active duty four-star officers in the room spoke in support of the increases. Retired officers led the opposition.

David S.C. Chu, undersecretary of defense, and Dr. William Winkenwerder Jr., the Pentagon’s health affairs chief, reminded the armed services’ subcommittee on military personnel that, since 1995, Tricare benefits and the beneficiary population have grown, program costs have soared, yet Tricare fees have remained the same. They portrayed it as a bureaucratic oversight that now needs correcting. Otherwise, military health costs, which have doubled since 2001, could double again by 2015.

Defense leaders were joined by the vice chiefs of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps, who echoed the contention that a prized benefit will be difficult to sustain unless fees are raised.

“For 11 years we have not done just service to this benefit, in that we failed to index” Tricare fees and co-payments to inflation, said Adm. Robert F. Willard, vice chief of naval operations. Benefit enhancements, rising medical costs nationwide and a widening disparity between Tricare cost-shares and private health insurance premiums have led to a migration of working retirees and their families back into Tricare.

That recent shift, said Chu, is encouraged by civilian employers, some using cash incentives, hoping to trim their own health care obligations.

Indexing Tricare fees to medical inflation back in 1995, said Willard, “would have prevented the current crisis that we find ourselves in.”

But Rep. Vic Snyder of Arkansas, ranking Democrat on the panel, challenged Willard’s use of the word “crisis.”

“A crisis implies we’re not going to pay for anything. We’re going to pay for health care for our men and women in uniform, and retirees. We’re going to sustain the program. The question is how … and right now there’s not a lot of … enthusiasm for the method you all have proposed,” Snyder said.

He also questioned department handwringing over the widening disparity between Tricare fees and private health insurance premiums.

“We want there to be a disparity because that’s part of what we give for people turning their life over to us 24 hours a day,” said Snyder.

Snyder referred then to comment from Gen. Robert Magnus, assistant Marine Corps commandant, in defense of the higher fees, that Tricare would remain the “gold standard” of health plans.

If that’s true, Snyder suggested, migration of retirees will continue despite higher fees because “people are going to jump from the silver standard. They’re going to jump from the copper and bronze standard.”

“The issue is … can we sustain the gold standard,” said Chu. “What happened in the last 10 years is we polished the gold standard to a very high luster. The result is that private companies and state governments are trying to shift their appropriate medical costs to the Department of Defense.”

To the charge the planned fees would climb too far and too fast, Chu said another way to look at them is that for 11 years, “our beneficiary population has enjoyed a relief from indexing.”

Defense officials estimate the higher fees will save $11 billion by 2011. The assumptions are that 144,000 current users will decide to leave Tricare and another 350,000 beneficiaries, who would have shifted to Tricare if fees stayed frozen, will stay with their private sector plan.

What the estimates really mean, said Snyder, is that 500,000 retirees don’t agree that the increases are modest, as Chu suggests.

Chu said younger retirees should be willing to contribute more to sustain the program and “to deal with the [employer] cost-shifting issue.”

“Usually when a product improves people are happy to help contribute to the cost of improvements,” Chu said. “And that’s what we’re asking here.”

Retired Navy Vice Adm. Norbert R. Ryan Jr., testifying on behalf of The Military Coalition, a consortium of service associations, called the planned fees “disproportional and inappropriate.”

Ryan said he was surprised to hear uniformed leaders take “a sky-is-falling approach” to Tricare costs. The greater danger to an all-volunteer force, during a long war, would be raising future health care costs for careerists facing their second or third wartime deployment, he suggested.

Snyder asked if the firestorm over Tricare fees could have been avoided if officials pushed for a more modest change, perhaps to adjust retiree Tricare fees in the future by the percentage rise in military retired pay each year. Ryan said he couldn’t be sure that wouldn’t anger retirees.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. William M. Matz, speaking for another group of associations, the National Veterans Alliance, said it was “astounding” to hear the Pentagon explain a cost-saving plan intended to discourage thousands of retirees not to use their earned benefits.
Pie
QUOTE(Marine @ Jan 19 2006, 10:28 PM)
I don't remember the exact dollar amount but if my memory serves me correctly I'll have to pay the astronomical sum of $720 a year for me, the wife, and my youngest daughter. 

I guess I'm just easy to please.
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Vets deserve low cost health care.
(MrPie is not a vet; we pay about the same amount monthly for a really bad HMO,
with very limited coverage and essentially worthless hospitalization coverage.) sad.gif
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