In talking with people on this forum and in my personal life, it seems that all of North America is experiencing a ridiculously absurdly warm winter. I mean scary warm. Really scary warm.
Yet the MSM only focuses on the record cold in Europe an Russia.
I see this as a coverup of an extremely serious problem going on right now. Talk about cold cold cold and ignore hot hot hot.
Has anybody seen MSM reports on the ridiculously hot winter going on in North America?
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It's actually all part of the same phenomenon, the cold winter in Europe is caused by disruption of Atlantic currents which is also trapping warm air over much of North America.
Keep track of the sea surface temperature maps in the hurricane area on the noaa website, the hurricane season may start early.
Keep track of the sea surface temperature maps in the hurricane area on the noaa website, the hurricane season may start early.
Actually a typical global warming scenario envisions a colder Europe because of a disruption of the main currents of the North Atlantic. I think that is supposed to be something for the long-term, not for early in the process, and I don't know the science, but it is something that has been remarked upon a lot.
So we are perhaps seeing global warming coming down a lot faster than was predicted by models. I think that the models may not have taken into consideration the thawing of the tundra in Siberia, which releases tons of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is 5x stronger than C02 in terms of causing global warming.
As some of you know, I'm currently living in Alberta, Canada. The winter up here has been averaging (on a consistent daily basis) about 20 degrees (F) warmer than normal. This is a huge jump in just one year. Most days are above freezing in the dead of winter. Last year most days were in the 10 - 20 degree range (F) and the year before was a "typical" brutal winter up here, with entire weeks where the temperature was below zero.
Heck, at 51 degrees north latitude, we haven't had enough snow for me to even take the kids sledding all winter.
As some of you know, I'm currently living in Alberta, Canada. The winter up here has been averaging (on a consistent daily basis) about 20 degrees (F) warmer than normal. This is a huge jump in just one year. Most days are above freezing in the dead of winter. Last year most days were in the 10 - 20 degree range (F) and the year before was a "typical" brutal winter up here, with entire weeks where the temperature was below zero.
Heck, at 51 degrees north latitude, we haven't had enough snow for me to even take the kids sledding all winter.
The naive people think global warming only means a heat wave.
It means the wide variety of major storms and radical up and down
One day 60 in New York, the same night it is 20 with sleet hale and flooding or ice storms or snow
God might indeed be speaking to george bush, and she isn't smiling
It means the wide variety of major storms and radical up and down
One day 60 in New York, the same night it is 20 with sleet hale and flooding or ice storms or snow
God might indeed be speaking to george bush, and she isn't smiling
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jan 25 2006, 12:06 PM)
So we are perhaps seeing global warming coming down a lot faster than was predicted by models. I think that the models may not have taken into consideration the thawing of the tundra in Siberia, which releases tons of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is 5x stronger than C02 in terms of causing global warming.
As some of you know, I'm currently living in Alberta, Canada. The winter up here has been averaging (on a consistent daily basis) about 20 degrees (F) warmer than normal. This is a huge jump in just one year. Most days are above freezing in the dead of winter. Last year most days were in the 10 - 20 degree range (F) and the year before was a "typical" brutal winter up here, with entire weeks where the temperature was below zero.
Heck, at 51 degrees north latitude, we haven't had enough snow for me to even take the kids sledding all winter.
As some of you know, I'm currently living in Alberta, Canada. The winter up here has been averaging (on a consistent daily basis) about 20 degrees (F) warmer than normal. This is a huge jump in just one year. Most days are above freezing in the dead of winter. Last year most days were in the 10 - 20 degree range (F) and the year before was a "typical" brutal winter up here, with entire weeks where the temperature was below zero.
Heck, at 51 degrees north latitude, we haven't had enough snow for me to even take the kids sledding all winter.
It's still tough to break out the cycles when looking for manmade impact, but it's safe to assume we're influencing them and should stop. There was a 300 year cycle like this that just ended a couple hundred years ago and one a few hundred years before that, at least the most recent one hit quickly and without warning too. There are also shorter but less severe climate cycles, since we don't have detailed data on previous long cycles there's a lot of guesswork.
We'll know in about 20 years if this is a short cycle, if it isn't it's either a long cycle or human impact. In the meanwhile we need to be reducing our contribution since even a degree or two worldwide can make a major difference. Of course if we get major icecap loss combined with longer hurricane seasons it looks bad. Oddly enough it could hit the point where our best bet is just waiting for enough ice to be lost to restore the current, counterintuitive as it is.
Damn -- you know, I forgot. The end times are upon us, so this doesn't really matter. Praise Juheessuuss.
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jan 25 2006, 02:36 PM)
Damn -- you know, I forgot. The end times are upon us, so this doesn't really matter. Praise Juheessuuss.
They actually thought that the last 2 times there was a mini ice age in Europe, one led to the dark ages and the second led to burning people at the stake, cleansing cities of immoral conduct and persecution of the Jews. The cycle seems to have been broken, now we're headed in that direction where the climate is benefiting and Europe isn't headed that way yet.
It's actually a tough problem that will require leadership, that gives us plenty of time to collect data.
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They actually thought that the last 2 times there was a mini ice age in Europe, one led to the dark ages and the second led to burning people at the stake
The first dark age was actually caused by the Y1K bug. Burning people at the stake -- well, I guess if you are in a dark age, it helps to have some campfire activities to keep occupied.
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jan 25 2006, 03:36 PM)
Damn -- you know, I forgot. The end times are upon us, so this doesn't really matter. Praise Juheessuuss.
This is pretty much the reason why I want to just say F- it sometimes. Why should I even Give a Shi*
IS there really any Hope Left ?
Jesus will come down on a Cloud and scoop up all the "good Christians" like Pat Robertson and take them to heaven to avoid the Tribulation. 
Give me a Break
Give me a Break
All models predict a much bigger change at the poles than at the equator, which is why you are seeing such a big change in Alberta while global average temperature may change only a degree or two.
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jan 25 2006, 11:06 AM)
So we are perhaps seeing global warming coming down a lot faster than was predicted by models. I think that the models may not have taken into consideration the thawing of the tundra in Siberia, which releases tons of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is 5x stronger than C02 in terms of causing global warming.
As some of you know, I'm currently living in Alberta, Canada. The winter up here has been averaging (on a consistent daily basis) about 20 degrees (F) warmer than normal. This is a huge jump in just one year. Most days are above freezing in the dead of winter. Last year most days were in the 10 - 20 degree range (F) and the year before was a "typical" brutal winter up here, with entire weeks where the temperature was below zero.
Heck, at 51 degrees north latitude, we haven't had enough snow for me to even take the kids sledding all winter.
As some of you know, I'm currently living in Alberta, Canada. The winter up here has been averaging (on a consistent daily basis) about 20 degrees (F) warmer than normal. This is a huge jump in just one year. Most days are above freezing in the dead of winter. Last year most days were in the 10 - 20 degree range (F) and the year before was a "typical" brutal winter up here, with entire weeks where the temperature was below zero.
Heck, at 51 degrees north latitude, we haven't had enough snow for me to even take the kids sledding all winter.
QUOTE(tomhye @ Jan 25 2006, 12:08 PM)
It's actually all part of the same phenomenon, the cold winter in Europe is caused by disruption of Atlantic currents which is also trapping warm air over much of North America.
Keep track of the sea surface temperature maps in the hurricane area on the noaa website, the hurricane season may start early.
Keep track of the sea surface temperature maps in the hurricane area on the noaa website, the hurricane season may start early.
I watched The Day After Tomorrow again last night...I buy
pre-viewed DVDs...I love libraries...of books, LPs, VHS and DVDs.
It tells the whole story in a compressed time line.
That's why I prepare...I suggest y'all do too.
Plant below ground crops (potatoes and carrots) on dark nights
(new moon) near the end of Feb. and above ground on the full moon
the following month (if you're in The South).
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Plant below ground crops (potatoes and carrots) on dark nights
(new moon) near the end of Feb
(new moon) near the end of Feb
Like ground beef?
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All models predict a much bigger change at the poles
I guess this explains the huge discrepancies between the exit poles and the actual result at the poles in 2004.
Okay -- here we go:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/sc_nm/...nt_warming_dc_1
2005 was warmest year on record: NASA By Deborah Zabarenko
Tue Jan 24, 4:03 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Last year was the warmest recorded on Earth's surface, and it was unusually hot in the Arctic, U.S. space agency NASA said on Tuesday.
All five of the hottest years since modern record-keeping began in the 1890s occurred within the last decade, according to analysis by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
"It's fair to say that it probably is the warmest since we have modern meteorological records," said Drew Shindell of the NASA institute in New York City.
"Using indirect measurements that go back farther, I think it's even fair to say that it's the warmest in the last several thousand years."
Some researchers had expected 1998 would be the hottest year on record, notably because a strong El Nino -- a warm-water pattern in the eastern Pacific -- boosted global temperatures.
But Shindell said last year was slightly warmer than 1998, even without any extraordinary weather pattern. Temperatures in the Arctic were unusually warm in 2005, NASA said.
"That very anomalously warm year (1998) has become the norm," Shindell said in a telephone interview.
"The rate of warming has been so rapid that this temperature that we only got when we had a real strong El Nino now has become something that we've gotten without any unusual worldwide weather disturbance."
Over the past 30 years, Earth has warmed by 1.08 degrees F (0.6 degrees C), NASA said. Over the past 100 years, it has warmed by 1.44 degrees F (0.8 degrees C).
Shindell, in line with the view held by most scientists, attributed the rise to emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane and ozone, with the burning of fossil fuels being the primary source.
The 21st century could see global temperature increases of 6 to 10 degrees F (3 to 5 degrees C), Shindell said.
"That will really bring us up to the warmest temperatures the world has experienced probably in the last million years," he said.
To understand whether the Earth is cooling or warming, scientists use data from weather stations on land, satellite measurements of sea surface temperature since 1982, and data from ships for earlier years.
More information and images are available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environme...05_warmest.html.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/sc_nm/...nt_warming_dc_1
2005 was warmest year on record: NASA By Deborah Zabarenko
Tue Jan 24, 4:03 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Last year was the warmest recorded on Earth's surface, and it was unusually hot in the Arctic, U.S. space agency NASA said on Tuesday.
All five of the hottest years since modern record-keeping began in the 1890s occurred within the last decade, according to analysis by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
"It's fair to say that it probably is the warmest since we have modern meteorological records," said Drew Shindell of the NASA institute in New York City.
"Using indirect measurements that go back farther, I think it's even fair to say that it's the warmest in the last several thousand years."
Some researchers had expected 1998 would be the hottest year on record, notably because a strong El Nino -- a warm-water pattern in the eastern Pacific -- boosted global temperatures.
But Shindell said last year was slightly warmer than 1998, even without any extraordinary weather pattern. Temperatures in the Arctic were unusually warm in 2005, NASA said.
"That very anomalously warm year (1998) has become the norm," Shindell said in a telephone interview.
"The rate of warming has been so rapid that this temperature that we only got when we had a real strong El Nino now has become something that we've gotten without any unusual worldwide weather disturbance."
Over the past 30 years, Earth has warmed by 1.08 degrees F (0.6 degrees C), NASA said. Over the past 100 years, it has warmed by 1.44 degrees F (0.8 degrees C).
Shindell, in line with the view held by most scientists, attributed the rise to emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane and ozone, with the burning of fossil fuels being the primary source.
The 21st century could see global temperature increases of 6 to 10 degrees F (3 to 5 degrees C), Shindell said.
"That will really bring us up to the warmest temperatures the world has experienced probably in the last million years," he said.
To understand whether the Earth is cooling or warming, scientists use data from weather stations on land, satellite measurements of sea surface temperature since 1982, and data from ships for earlier years.
More information and images are available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environme...05_warmest.html.
Uh -- I guess I found the answer to my own question.
As they say, they made fun of al gore for talking about it
The ones who don't believe in this will be the ones pushing over little babies
and women trying to get to the resue people first
These republicans would be the men on the titanic who confiscated a rescue boat
and left the children and women behind
COWARDS all.(Just like Bush)
The ones who don't believe in this will be the ones pushing over little babies
and women trying to get to the resue people first
These republicans would be the men on the titanic who confiscated a rescue boat
and left the children and women behind
COWARDS all.(Just like Bush)
Graham...
That sounds like Michigan UP on a typical fall day! :cold:
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It means the wide variety of major storms and radical up and down
One day 60 in New York, the same night it is 20 with sleet hale and flooding or ice storms or snow
One day 60 in New York, the same night it is 20 with sleet hale and flooding or ice storms or snow
That sounds like Michigan UP on a typical fall day! :cold:
QUOTE(Bampa @ Jan 26 2006, 10:22 AM)
Graham...
That sounds like Michigan UP on a typical fall day! :cold:
That sounds like Michigan UP on a typical fall day! :cold:
But this is unheard of in NJ.
And we are having 20,30,50mph winds and thunderstorms in January
I have never heard wind like this ever since I have been here in this area.
We don't get tornado like win, this is very hilly area, (small mountains???)
very odd
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