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real_democrat

Jan 26 2006, 04:41 PM

The Neocan/lib war parties must be ecstatic to hear Hamas has won.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HA26Ak04.html

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"Let us state the obvious," wrote Reuel Marc Gerecht, the resident Persian Gulf specialist at the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute in the Weekly Standard's feature article on Monday. "The new president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmud Ahmadinejad, is a godsend."

How many seconds before we hear like minded statements about Hamas' victory? As sure as the sun rises in the east, the war promoters will be stoking the flames of fear with this one.

Mark my words.

Arneoker

Jan 26 2006, 07:03 PM

QUOTE(real_democrat @ Jan 26 2006, 05:41 PM)

The Neocan/lib war parties must be ecstatic to hear Hamas has won.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HA26Ak04.html
How many seconds before we hear like minded statements about Hamas' victory? As sure as the sun rises in the east, the war promoters will be stoking the flames of fear with this one.

Mark my words.

Okay, I'll mark them.

real_democrat

Jan 26 2006, 07:54 PM

QUOTE(Arneoker @ Jan 26 2006, 08:03 PM)

Okay, I'll mark them.

Good thing, it did not take long...

http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.p...4/b/i/260120061
Don't Deal with Terrorists

By Daniel Pipes

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As Hamas, the Islamist terror group, surges in the polls with a prospect of joining the Palestinian Authority or even running it, governments worldwide must decide on their responses.

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Fortunately, U.S. policy remains steadfast: "We haven't dealt with Hamas, and we won't deal with Hamas members who are elected," says U.S. embassy spokesman Stewart Tuttle in Israel. That is a good start; ideally, there should be no dealings at all with a Palestinian Authority that includes Hamas in its leadership.

It was a mistake to permit Hamas to compete in elections. Like al-Qaida, Hamas should be destroyed, not legitimated, much less courted.

And Mr Pipes is quite sure our kids need to be sacrificed in order to bring that destrctiuon about.

Arneoker

Jan 27 2006, 07:30 AM

What exactly does Pipes mean by "destroying" Hamas? Does he mean that Israel and the PA should have been locking them all up? Israel has been conducting a "war" with Palestinian terrorists, or fighters, if you will, without any U.S. soldiers involved at all. The only clear thing he said was that Hamas should not have been permitted to compete in the elections.

I'm not defending Pipes (who by the way is not in the government), I have problems with his statement. (For that matter I'm not defending the Bush Adminstration.) But I think that interpreting this as a call for the U.S. to send soldiers to fight Palestinians is going way overboard.

real_democrat

Jan 27 2006, 11:38 AM

QUOTE(Arneoker @ Jan 27 2006, 08:30 AM)

I did not mean to imply that there would be a direct call for deployment of US troops, but the rhetorical groundwork to build that case. People like Pipes will always sieze upon such events and try to frame them as a grave danger to America, and thus use them as part of the propaganda to bring us to war. Pipes was involved in the last campaign of 4th estate lying and fear mongering, and is influential in think tanks that formulate policy.

And he is hardly alone. Lets not let them do this to us again. This is an extremely critical time to make sure these people don't even get far. The more light cast upon them now, the better.

As far as "destroying" Hamas goes I am sure Mr Pipes believes in some sort of violent attack. It might be better to see if being in the political game will make them come to thier senses, as the PLO had to do. As far as I can tell, Hamas can not deliver on the promise of fixing the corrupt mess that fatah is if they don't dump the "destroy Israel" nonsense. The time is short for Hamas glory, if they can't deliver on that, they will be gone from power fast. So they have a choice, get with the program, or become irrelevant.

real_democrat

Jan 29 2006, 07:47 PM

And yet more from the Warmongers, this time the wretched Jeff Jacoby...

Hamas Victory is good News -Jeff Jacoby

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Well, put me in a third camp: I think the sweeping Hamas victory is by far the best result that could have been hoped for.

I say that not because Hamas is anything other than a blood-drenched terrorist group, but because its lopsided win is an unambiguous reality check into the nature of Palestinian society. And if there is one thing that the West badly needs, it is more realism and less delusion about the Palestinians.

Some of that delusion was on display at the White House on Thursday, when President Bush painted the Palestinian election as a ''healthy" exercise in civic reform:

''Obviously, people were not happy with the status quo," Bush explained. ''The people are demanding honest government. The people want services. They want to be able to raise their children in an environment in which they can get a decent education and they can find healthcare. And so the elections should open the eyes of the old guard there in the Palestinian territories. . . . There's something healthy about a system that does that."

Well Bush is saying is true, so give him credit , but oh no , not Mr. Jacoby the President is not stridently neocon enough, and what do you know he invokes the usual bilge about Nazism, and the fascist threat, how predictable is that?

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Spare us, Mr. President. If a slate of neo-Nazi skinheads swept to power in a European election, would you say that the voters were seeking ''honest government" and ''services"? Palestinians are not stupid, and it insults their intelligence to pretend that when they vote to empower a genocidal organization with a platform straight out of ''Mein Kampf," what they're really after is better healthcare. Islamist extremism isn't needed to fix Palestinian hospitals any more than fascism was needed to make Italian trains run on time in the 1920s. If Palestinians turned out en masse to elect a party that unapologetically stands for hatred and mass murder, it's a safe bet that hatred and mass murder had something to do with the turnout.

Spare us, Mr. Jacoby your outrage, the Palestinians did not wake up hating Israel out the blue, that happened when Israel, with our help, destroyed their homes in the name of God. Perhaps you should re-consider just what nation in the middle east has a powerful military with all the weapons of war, favors one race above all others, and has had its desire to take other peoples land accommodated by foriegn nations who appease them before you start bringing up ''Mein Kampf".

More...

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The only important difference between the ousted Fatah party and the incoming Hamas leadership is that for PR purposes the former sometimes pretended to accept Israel's right to exist, while the latter is openly and unabashedly committed to Israel's elimination.

Since the State of Israel required an unabashed commitment to Arab's elimination from their own homeland, I have to wonder why you would expect anything else.

Salute_Liberty

Jan 30 2006, 12:21 AM

QUOTE(real_democrat @ Jan 26 2006, 05:41 PM)

Lib war parties? We should never connect Liberals to being warmongers.

Haven't all the other nutheads been criticizing Libs for being anti-war? Why? They had suspected that not only Hammas, but dictatorial fundamentalists and hard-core Conservatives would be voted to firm up their nations - just in case we start any plan of occupying their nations, the way we did with Iraq.

The only estaticism they'd probably squeal out is: "We told you so..." We watch 911 Fahreheight again... gosh, if only more Americans woke up to Moore's warnings! The world then would have been a safer place today.

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