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A 9/11 Conspirator in King Bush's Court?
Sheehan Wasn't Welcome But a Saudi Accused of Support for al Qaeda Was


by Jeremy Scahill 
Thursday, February 2, 2006

While Cindy Sheehan was being dragged from the House gallery moments before President Bush delivered his State of the Union address for wearing a t-shirt honoring her son and the other 2,244 US soldiers killed in Iraq, Turki al-Faisal was settling into his seat inside the gallery. Faisal, a Saudi, is a man who has met Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants on at least five occasions, describing the al Qaeda leader as "quite a pleasant man." He met multiple times with Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Yet, unlike Sheehan, al-Faisal was a welcomed guest of President Bush on Tuesday night. He is also a man that the families of more than 600 victims of the 9/11 attacks believe was connected to their loved ones' deaths.

Al-Faisal is actually Prince Turki al-Faisal, a leading member of the Saudi royal family and the kingdom's current ambassador to the US. But the bulk of his career was spent at the helm of the feared Saudi intelligence services from 1977 to 2001. Last year, The New York Times pointed out that "he personally managed Riyadh's relations with Osama bin Laden and Mullah Muhammad Omar of the Taliban. Anyone else who had dealings with even a fraction of the notorious characters the prince has worked with over the years would never make it past a U.S. immigration counter, let alone to the most exclusive offices in Washington." Al-Faisal was also named in the $1 trillion lawsuit filed by hundreds of 9/11 victims' families, who accused him of funding bin Laden's network. Curiously, his tenure as head of Saudi intelligence came to an abrupt and unexpected end 10 days before the 9/11 attacks.

"Nobody explained the circumstances under which he left," says As'ad AbuKhalil, author of The Battle for Saudi Arabia: Royalty, Fundamentalism, and Global Power. "We know for sure that he was tasked by the United States government back in the late 1970s and on to assemble the kind of Arab Muslim fanatical volunteers to help the United States and the C.I.A. in the fight against the Soviet communist regime [in Afghanistan]. In the course of doing that, this man is single-handedly most responsible for the kind of menace that these fanatical groups now pose to world peace and security." Yet, there al-Faisal sat on Tuesday as President Bush spoke of his war on terror and Cindy Sheehan was being booked. At one point, the cameras even panned directly on al-Faisal listening intently to Bush.

The 9/11 families' lawsuit charged that al-Faisal secretly traveled to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar twice in 1998 where he met with bin Laden's representatives and Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Based on sworn testimony from Taliban intelligence chief, Mullah Kakshar, the lawsuit claimed that al-Faisal allegedly received assurances that al Qaeda would not use "the infrastructure in Afghanistan to subvert the royal families' control of Saudi government." In return, according to the lawsuit, the Saudis promised not to seek bin Laden's extradition or the closing of his training bases. Al-Faisal also allegedly promised Mullah Omar financial assistance. Shortly after the meetings, the Saudis reportedly shipped the Taliban 400 new pickup trucks. According to the London Observer, Kakshar also said that al-Faisal "arranged for donations to be made directly to al-Qaeda and bin Laden by a group of wealthy Saudi businessmen. 'Mullah Kakshar's sworn statement implicates Prince Turki as the facilitator of these money transfers in support of the Taliban, al-Qaeda and international terrorism,'" according to the lawsuit.

Al-Faisal does not deny he traveled to Afghanistan in 1998 for meetings with Mullah Omar, but he insists it was to "convey an official Saudi request to extradite Osama bin Laden." al-Faisal has a long history in Afghanistan. He worked closely in the 1980s with the both the CIA and the mujahadeen that would later form both al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Ultimately, a judge dismissed the 9/11 families' lawsuit against al-Faisal and his cohorts, saying US courts lacked jurisdiction over the matter. But many of those families believe firmly that al-Faisal was connected to the attacks that killed their loved ones. The obvious question is: how does the president justify the ejection of a Gold Star Mother from the State of the Union, while openly welcoming a man believed by hundreds of victims' families to be connected to the attack Bush uses to justify every shred of his violent policies?

During his speech, Bush said, "It is said that prior to the attacks of September the 11th, our government failed to connect the dots of the conspiracy." Perhaps he should have just looked over his wife's shoulder up there in the gallery during the State of the Union.
Salute_Liberty
Wasn't that exposed in Michael Moore's movie? I guess that's one of the reasons the Bush NeoCons wanted so desperately to slate Moore and his film - that investigations into more truths are being chased out of the American Public's mind.

Recall this, too.

http://www.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=14289

27-May-03

Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz is being sued by families of the 9-11 victims for personally approving millions of dollars of Saudi government funding for terrorist front groups. Amazingly, bin Abdul Aziz arranged for his son to be flown from Florida to Kentucky on 9-13 - a flight the Bush administration denies ever happened, on the second day when ALL civilian flights in the US were prohibited. To make matters worse, bin Abdul Aziz and his Saudi co-defendants hired James Baker's law firm to defend him against the TRILLION dollar 9-11 lawsuit - even as Baker personally represents the Bush administration on crucial intelligence matters. Could this trial expose the deep Saudi connections to Al Qaeda, and the Bush connections to both? Is a Special Prosecutor needed? Is it even possible to investigate the Bush-Saudi-Al Qaeda ties?

For more articles, read:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_secret_saudi_052703.htm
rox63
QUOTE(Salute_Liberty @ Feb 3 2006, 01:37 PM)
Wasn't that exposed in Michael Moore's movie?  I guess that's one of the reasons the Bush NeoCons wanted so desperately to slate Moore and his film - that investigations into more truths are being chased out of the American Public's mind.
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But I think he's saying that this guy was at the SOTU speech on Tuesday night as Bush's guest. But they kicked Cindy Sheehan out for her t-shirt.
Salute_Liberty
QUOTE(rox63 @ Feb 3 2006, 01:47 PM)
But I think he's saying that this guy was at the SOTU speech on Tuesday night as Bush's guest. But they kicked Cindy Sheehan out for her t-shirt.


Just showing the reason for Bush's lovey-dovey dealings and favortism with the Saudis... and whether the relationship is darker than exposed.
jimiray
Thursday, February 02, 2006
Supporting the President
Many Americans support the President because of September 11th. 9/11 started a war on terror, and Americans know in our gut that we need a strong leader to fight that war and protect us.

Therefore, it is important to understand exactly what happened on September 11th, so that we may explain it to others. We have summarized 6 important and little-known facts about 9/11 for this purpose:

(1) The Secretary of Transportation testified before the 9/11 Commission that Vice President Cheney monitored flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon and -- when a military man asked "do the orders still stand?" -- the Vice President responded affirmatively:

"The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

Source: http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv (short video of 9/11 Commission testimony)

(2) The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building

Source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=
F0091FFE3C580C748CDDAC0894DC404482&incamp=
archive:search and http://web.archive.org/web/20040509021515/

(3) The 9/11 Commission never considered much of the evidence about 9/11, and even the former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

Source: href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles /2005/11/17/122900.shtml and http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/d

(4) In addition to the Twin Towers, a third world trade center building, WTC7, collapsed on the afternoon of 9/11. WTC7 was never hit by plane, contained only small fires before the collapse, fell at free-fall speed (the same speed as if there were no floors or walls to cause resistance), collapsed symetrically (which makes no sense since fires burned in only some parts of the building), became the first steel-frame building in history to collapse due to fire alone, somehow generated temperatures so high that its huge steel beams were partly evaporated, and produced unusual chemical reactions consistent with the use of high-explosives.
Indeed, even the government agency investigating the collapse said that -- other than an explanation involving demolition with bombs -- "the [next] best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence."

Source: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

(5) The Secret Service, which is highly trained to whisk the president away from danger and to a secure location in the event of a threat, breached all standard procedures and allowed President Bush to remain at a highly-publicized location for 25 minutes after it was known that the nation was under attack Source: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html

(6) Recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba.

This plan is only one of a series of terror attacks planned (and usually carried out) by governments around the world to garner support for their military agendas by attacking their own people and then blaming it on others, or intentionally allowing an enemy's attack to succeed.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 and http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdfand http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/

Now that you know these important facts surrounding 9/11, go out and educate others.

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/...t.html#comments
jimiray
Friday, February 03, 2006
Curt Weldon Called to Testify in Moussaoui Trial

Congressman subpoenaed for 9/11 trial - CNN

Attorneys for al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui have subpoenaed Pennsylvania Congressman Curt Weldon to testify at a trial that will determine whether Moussaoui should be executed.

The defense is seeking Weldon's testimony to try and show that the government knew more about the September 11, 2001, attacks than Moussaoui did.
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Weldon, vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, contends that Able Danger mined computer data to identify four of the 19 hijackers, including leader Mohammed Atta, as al Qaeda operatives a year and a half before the September 11 attacks.
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Weldon has spearheaded the call for Congress to hold public hearings on Able Danger and penned a letter signed by a bipartisan group of 248 members of Congress calling on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to permit military analysts who worked on the program to testify.

"It is an important issue in understanding the full scope of 9/11," said Weldon's communications director, John Tomaszewski. "The venue and the time has not been decided."

http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/curt-wel...testify-in.html
Salute_Liberty
Without reaching the real truth to the roots that originated the 9/11 attacks, the World will never be able to achieve its mission of peace. Without the truth to 9/11, Bush's War on Terror is mere hogwash - and 9/11 his distorted bulls**tting icon for convenient use to bully Americans with fear to go on the wrong course.

The souls of the 9/11 innocent victims will never be able to rest till the reasons for their deaths are exposed. Those who really love them will keep questioning until the truth comes off its cloak! Those responsible may think they can run, but truth will ultimately win to flog them flat onto the ground. If there's anyone who should fear, it's the culprits, not the commonfolks. Good always reigns over evil... in a matter of time.
rox63
For all of our resident 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I found this story on Yahoo.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_...39303&printer=1

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Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

Mon Jan 30, 11:37 AM ET

Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.

They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.

These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor."

They believe that this White House is incapable of investigating itself and hope the possibility that Congress might hold an unaccountable administration accountable is not merely naive or wishful thinking.

They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.

If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.

They hope this might include The New York Times, which, in their opinion, has repeatedly failed to exercise the leadership expecedt from our nation's newspaper of record by a series of inexplicable lapses. It has failed to vigorously investigate tainted elections, lies leading to the war in Iraq, or illegal NSA spying on the American people, major unconstitutional events. In their view, The Times might compensate for its loss of stature by helping to reveal the truth about one of the great turning-point events of modern history.

Stunning as it may be to acknowledge, they observe, the government has brought but one indictment against anyone and, to the best of their knowledge, has not even reprimanded anyone for incompetence or dereliction of duty. The official conspiracy theory--that nineteen Arab hijackers under control of one man in the wilds of Afghanistan brought this about--is unsupportable by the evidential data, which they have studied. They even believe there are good reasons for suspecting that video tapes officially attributed to Osama bin Laden are not genuine.

They have found the government's own investigiation to be severely flawed. The 9/11 Commission, designated to investigate the attack, was directed by Philip Zelikow, part of the Bush transition team in the NSA sector and the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. A Bush supporter and director of national security affairs, he could hardly be expected to conduct an objective and impartial investigation.

They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.

Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholar find profoundly troubling:

* In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

* Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?

* Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

* Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

* Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

* A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?

* A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

* The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?

Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.

These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."

# # #

UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA James Fetzer 218 724-2706
Salute_Liberty
Everytine I hear of Sheehan's name, or the talk on Iraq War, and especially when Bush unwisely attempts to connect the Iraq War with 9/11, or worst still when any slimy Saudi, who may very likely been a kin of Bin Laden, is seen as being lovey-dovey with Bush or American leader, I cry for the truth of 9/11 - not to forget those victims of the deadly disaster, and not to forget that New Yorkers still are being poisoned with the incompetence of cleaning up Ground Zero.

Without reaching the real truth to the roots that originated the 9/11 attacks, the World will never be able to achieve its mission of peace. Without the truth to 9/11, Bush's War on Terror is mere hogwash - and 9/11 his distorted bulls**tting icon for convenient use to bully Americans with fear to go on the wrong course.

The souls of the 9/11 innocent victims will never be able to rest till the reasons for their deaths are exposed. Those who really love them will keep questioning until the truth comes off its cloak! Those responsible may think they can run, but truth will ultimately win to flog them flat onto the ground. If there's anyone who should fear, it's the culprits, not the commonfolks. Good always reigns over evil... in a matter of time.

And truth may finally come out by joining the dots of every WTC company and their connections to Members of the White House and the Senators, and their families and close associates - showing where their top executives were on the day of 9/11, their sudden change of schedules, their unusual stock trading patterns and money transfer patterns, and more important, their sudden change of office locations during the few weeks before the disaster. And America should sought an independent world investigation in which suspects should not be allowed to participate. If America and the World are serious enough to defeat Terrorism, then they should be bold enough to demand for the truth. Truth will finally get rid of suspicions, fear and hate that are unnecessarily creepng into every living space of human lives today.
jimiray
One of these day's I hope America and the rest of the world will finally wake up a see what the truth really is. Maybe if they would make it into a cartoon movie people would believe it then ?
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(rox63 @ Feb 3 2006, 11:56 AM)
For all of our resident 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I found this story on Yahoo.

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probably the BEST 9/11 conspiracy book is "Crossing the Rubicon"


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086571540...glance&n=283155

Ruppert, an ex-cop, implies that Cheney (from his bunker) put the extra 'blips' on the FAA radar screens so they wouldn't know against whom to scramble the F-16s.

Sort of makes him an accomplice, eh what?
jimiray
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 3 2006, 04:48 PM)
probably the BEST 9/11 conspiracy book is "Crossing the Rubicon"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086571540...glance&n=283155

Ruppert, an ex-cop, implies that Cheney (from his bunker) put the extra 'blips' on the FAA radar screens so they wouldn't know against whom to scramble the F-16s.

Sort of makes him an accomplice, eh what?
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Ah yes Michael Ruppert! He does have some good stuff I must admit. But I also think he could be one who throws rocks in water to make it muddy. Peak Oil ! haha.gif

Crossing the Rubicon !
note: last three letters.
con
graham4anything
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 3 2006, 05:48 PM)
probably the BEST 9/11 conspiracy book is "Crossing the Rubicon"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086571540...glance&n=283155

Ruppert, an ex-cop, implies that Cheney (from his bunker) put the extra 'blips' on the FAA radar screens so they wouldn't know against whom to scramble the F-16s.

Sort of makes him an accomplice, eh what?
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Wish the world would know what we already know

Damn those first few days after this

If only the internet was as strong on 9-11 as it is now...better yet, wish it were
12-12-2000

If only we had been here then, it might have all played different, maybe the otherside could have spun it more


12-12-2000 a day that will live in infamy
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Feb 3 2006, 05:37 PM)
Wish the world would know what we already know

Damn those first few days after this

If only the internet was as strong on 9-11 as it is now...better yet, wish it were
12-12-2000

If only we had been here then, it might have all played different, maybe the otherside could have spun it more
12-12-2000 a day that will live in infamy
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No Graham. The day that will live in infamy is 11-02-2004
graham4anything
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 3 2006, 08:46 PM)
No Graham. The day that will live in infamy is 11-02-2004
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12-12-2000

ONE flucking vote the other way and none of it would have happened
rox63
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Feb 3 2006, 08:37 PM)
12-12-2000 a day that will live in infamy
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QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 3 2006, 08:46 PM)
No Graham. The day that will live in infamy is 11-02-2004
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They both sucked, as did 9/11/01.
graham4anything
QUOTE(rox63 @ Feb 3 2006, 09:05 PM)
They both sucked, as did 9/11/01.
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The day the public figures out the other two days are more important, is the days things will get better.

We lost more on those two days than 10 911's.

If only people would figure it out

Some day shortly there will be more death's in Iraq than on that day Bush got his reason for living and those that day were just collateral damage
jeffmoskin
My point:

In 2000, Jeb stole FL. It was a close vote; nobody was looking; nobody knew GWB or what havoc he would wreak upon America.

In 2004, we knew that OH would be close, everybody was looking (so they locked the doors), we knew exactly what havoc he would continue to wreak...

Fool us twice, shame on us.

A day that will live in infamy.

Did we learn Nothing?
graham4anything
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 4 2006, 10:41 AM)
My point:

In 2000, Jeb stole FL. It was a close vote; nobody was looking; nobody knew GWB or what havoc he would wreak upon America.

In 2004, we knew that OH would be close, everybody was looking (so they locked the doors), we knew exactly what havoc he would continue to wreak...

Fool us twice, shame on us.

A day that will live in infamy.

Did we learn Nothing?
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I gotcha!

The dems knew what was coming in 2004 and did nothing. They aren't stupid
therefore they were in on it Da fix is (was ) in ©g4a
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