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wliberty
The Dayton Daily News stated this morning the Ohio recount will not be completed until after the electorial collage meets. Is there any way we can change this? Ideas? It said no one stated a need for urgengy.
BrokeInOhio
QUOTE(wliberty @ Nov 17 2004, 07:07 AM)
The Dayton Daily News stated this morning the Ohio recount will not be completed until after the electorial collage meets. Is there any way we can change this? Ideas? It said no one stated a need for urgengy.
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Forward the link to Cobb, should be an email address on their website.
BG, still a Kerry supporter
QUOTE(wliberty @ Nov 17 2004, 05:07 AM)
The Dayton Daily News stated this morning the Ohio recount will not be completed until after the electorial collage meets. Is there any way we can change this? Ideas? It said no one stated a need for urgengy.
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why didn't you include the news link so we can read it???????
wliberty
QUOTE(BG @ still a Kerry supporter,Nov 17 2004, 08:30 AM)
why didn't you include the news link so we can read it???????
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It was in my newspaper this morning. Sorry no link.
wliberty
Here's a link to article.


http://www.daytondailynews.com/opinion/con...117recount.html
brossignol
QUOTE(wliberty @ Nov 17 2004, 05:07 AM)
The Dayton Daily News stated this morning the Ohio recount will not be completed until after the electorial collage meets. Is there any way we can change this? Ideas? It said no one stated a need for urgengy.
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There is no urgency.

The Electoral College meets, I believe on Dec 13. Congress will then open those ballots and either certify them or not on Jan 6.

So, the deadline is really Jan 6 and not Dec 13 because there is always the possibility that Congress would not certify the ballots if a recount changed things in the interim.

However, it is my belief that if the Electoral College votes for anyone other than Bush (no matter what recounts show or don't show) that Congress will refuse to certify and then the House will select the President and the Senate will select the Vice-President.
wliberty
brossignol
Did you read the article?
brossignol
QUOTE(wliberty @ Nov 17 2004, 04:19 PM)
brossignol
Did you read the article?
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Nope. Sorry, but I am not going to sign up.

I would be happy to read it, can you post it here or PM it to me?

Thanks!
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(brossignol @ Nov 17 2004, 03:02 PM)
There is no urgency.

The Electoral College meets, I believe on Dec 13.  Congress will then open those ballots and either certify them or not on Jan 6.

So, the deadline is really Jan 6 and not Dec 13 because there is always the possibility that Congress would not certify the ballots if a recount changed things in the interim.

However, it is my belief that if the Electoral College votes for anyone other than Bush (no matter what recounts show or don't show) that Congress will refuse to certify and then the House will select the President and the Senate will select the Vice-President.
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And we know in advance what the outcome will be.
brossignol
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 17 2004, 04:29 PM)
And we know in advance what the outcome will be.
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Right! Which is why I wish that people would stop holding onto false hopes!

Let's keep looking into election problems, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that we can change THIS election.
wliberty
Dayton Daily News


EDITORIAL

Recount can't hurt, could help system

By the Dayton Daily News

Think of it as preventive maintenance, sort of like an off-season check of your air conditioner. That check and a possible tune-up would be the only practical effects of a statewide recount of votes in the presidential race.
A recount can't alter the election outcome for the two third-party candidates who invoke a little-known Ohio law that enables them to request a recount even though the outcome wasn't close.

Nor will it change how the two major-party candidates finished — and not simply because doing so would defy every known rule of statistical probability. Above all else, that won't happen because the recount won't be completed until after the Electoral College already has met and elected the president and vice president.

That's because this kind of recount — known as a "requested recount" — can't be requested until after the secretary of state has certified the results.

The more commonly understood procedure — the "declaration of a close election" — takes place automatically, whenever the difference between the two leading candidates is less than one-fourth of 1 percent of all votes cast.

The Bush-Kerry spread was about 2.5 percent, not even close to being close enough. And nobody has demanded that the "requested recount" be super-accelerated so that it's concluded before the Electoral College meets. As prescribed by federal law, that's on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December — or, for this election, Dec. 13.

Why have the recount? Because Ohio law requires a recount if a candidate makes a timely request and pays the prescribed fee of $10 per precinct (or $113,000 statewide). The two candidates say they've raised the money and intend to make the request.

If what they say is true and the recount goes forward, Ohio election officials should make the most of it. They should use the opportunity to test all parts of the system — including the recount process itself.

The Florida nightmare during the 2000 presidential election, after all, came in two parts: the vote and then the recount. Both were a disaster.

Here state and county officials went to a lot of trouble to try to prevent problems with the voting process. The state also enacted uniform standards for recounts (e.g. a vote counts only if the hanging chad is held on by two corners at the most.).

"Ohio has bipartisan, transparent, sound procedures for conducting recounts," says Carlo Loparo, a spokesman for Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell.

The requested recount could put that to the test.



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brossignol
Thank you, sir/ma'am!!!

But, I stand by my original response:

There is no urgency.

The Electoral College meets, I believe on Dec 13. Congress will then open those ballots and either certify them or not on Jan 6.

So, the deadline is really Jan 6 and not Dec 13 because there is always the possibility that Congress would not certify the ballots if a recount changed things in the interim.

However, it is my belief that if the Electoral College votes for anyone other than Bush (no matter what recounts show or don't show) that Congress will refuse to certify and then the House will select the President and the Senate will select the Vice-President.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(brossignol @ Nov 17 2004, 04:05 PM)
Thank you, sir/ma'am!!!

But, I stand by my original response:

There is no urgency.

The Electoral College meets, I believe on Dec 13. Congress will then open those ballots and either certify them or not on Jan 6.

So, the deadline is really Jan 6 and not Dec 13 because there is always the possibility that Congress would not certify the ballots if a recount changed things in the interim.

However, it is my belief that if the Electoral College votes for anyone other than Bush (no matter what recounts show or don't show) that Congress will refuse to certify and then the House will select the President and the Senate will select the Vice-President.
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And we know in advance what the outcome will be, as I said before.
Kra/Lee
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 17 2004, 06:21 PM)
And we know in advance what the outcome will be, as I said before.
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What a surprise if this year the truth prevailed. The one year we made history and proved the election was rigged! And it changed the whole country by getting rid of Bush. Wouldn't it be nice to change the course of Iraq, save men dieing and actually change our country back to honesty and truth. God can do it. We can do it.We can make a difference!
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