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Japan to propose loan for relocation
The Associated Press and Pacific Daily News

TOKYO -- Japan will propose lending money to the United States to speed up the planned relocation of 7,000 Marines out of the country, according to a newspaper report yesterday.

Japan is eager for the troops to leave Okinawa to reduce simmering tensions with local residents, but the United States has said a plan to move the troops to Guam would take decades unless Tokyo picks up much of the $7.6 billion price tag.

Such spending would be unprecedented and require parliamentary approval.

The move to Guam is part of the Pentagon's troop realignment plans in the region. The United States wanted Japan to pay for a quick move outright, but the idea for a loan arrangement emerged in a bid to gain public support, the Nihon Keizai newspaper reported.
If U.S. funds alone are relied on, the transfer could drag on for 20 years, according to a previous AP report.

Japanese officials are uncertain whether Washington would accept Japan's loan proposal, the Nihon Keizai said. Defense officials were not available for comment Sunday.

The two sides in October agreed on a plan that would give Tokyo greater responsibility for security in the Asia-Pacific and are currently trying to finalize the details.

Japan hosts 50,000 U.S. troops, including 14,460 Marines, the largest Marine contingent based overseas. Nearly all the Marines here are located on Okinawa, where residents have expressed a strong desire for a rapid reduction in U.S. forces because of long-standing concerns about crime, safety and environmental problems posed by their presence.

The U.S. military realignment also involves a relocation of a heliport in Okinawa to another base on the southern island, and the assignment of a nuclear-powered carrier to Japan for the first time.

American troops have been stationed in Japan since the end of World War II in 1945.


Construction, real estate boom expected
News of the planned move has been welcomed by some elected officials and those in the business sector because of the anticipated boost in construction and spending on Guam.
The military comprises about 30 percent of the economy, Pacific Daily News files state, with tourism grabbing the rest.

Last week, Japan newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun reported a total of 17,000 people -- including Marines and their families -- would be moving to Guam. That figure is a little more than 10 percent of Guam's current population.

Outside contractors and workers needed to build facilities for the move would double the annual construction activity on Guam to $800 million, an earlier report from The Associated Press stated, based on a Marine Corps $5.6 billion estimate.

It's especially been healthy for the real estate industry, according to real estate consulting firm The Captain Company.

Siska Hutapea, chief appraiser for real estate consulting firm The Captain Company, last week said the residential sector is already on the move in anticipation of the Marines' arrival.

The single-family home median price on Guam is about $155,000 -- the highest level in six years, she stated. The company noted growth in other real-estate sectors as well.

Hutapea said residential land prices, particularly in Tamuning, have shot up. There are also a number of planned subdivisions as well, she said.

She noted a property bought in 2004 for $515,000 was sold in December for $2.5 million. Oceanfront condominiums are also becoming commodities.

"There was a unit sold last month for $1.25 million, which is unheard of," Hutapea said.

She said if she were a homeowner, she'd sell the property because prices may have peaked by now, and the instability of the economy, with too many unknown factors like natural disasters, makes it a gamble to hold on to a property for too long.




Originally published February 20, 2006
Marine
You're right it is weird, I just read an article in The Japan Times complaining that the Marines don't have enough presense in Japan. They have a lot of their facts screwed up so who knows what they are thinking.
flydangler
QUOTE(Marine @ Feb 20 2006, 07:49 AM)
You're right it is weird, I just read an article in The Japan Times complaining that the Marines don't have enough presense in Japan.  They have a lot of their facts screwed up so who knows what they are thinking.
Methinks 'twas 'bout 20 years ago that there was a proposal to move all the Marines on Okinawa and in Japan (e.g. Iwakuni) to a new base near Pohang, South Korea. If I remember correctly the Japanese pitched a major fit over it.

Then there was the proposal less than 10 years ago to construct a huge floatin' base off Naha that would house all the Marines' operational forces stationed in Japan. Because the whole thing would be mobile, and able to be towed to the Korean peninsula in under 24 hours it seemed to make perfect sense. Again the Japanese pitched a major fit, eh?

Okinawa ain't the garden spot of the world, and methinks 'tis doubtful there'll be a wailin' and gnashin' of teeth by all that many Marines when they do finally leave. If Guam becomes an accompanied tour I'd be bettin' most'd welcome the move.
winston smith
QUOTE(flydangler @ Feb 20 2006, 07:26 AM)
Okinawa ain't the garden spot of the world, and methinks 'tis doubtful there'll be a wailin' and gnashin' of teeth by all that many Marines when they do finally leave. If Guam becomes an accompanied tour I'd be bettin' most'd welcome the move.
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laugh.gif roflmbo.gif roflmao.gif clap.gif Been there myself and, Dangler, you are a master of understatement...

... but Guam ain't no garden spot either... confused.gif
kindergarten teacher
QUOTE(winston smith @ Feb 20 2006, 10:43 AM)
laugh.gif  roflmbo.gif  roflmao.gif  clap.gif Been there myself and, Dangler, you are a master of understatement...

... but Guam ain't no garden spot either... confused.gif
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No garden spot winston? Take a look now.

http://www.holani.com/GuamPhotos.htm

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D103486
My son was based in Japan for about a year and a half. Most of the Japanese are friendly people, but some, treat the US military very badly. He experienced true discrimination for the first time and it really affected him. He said there were some restaurant owners that wouldn't even let American military eat there -- they were stopped at the door and turned away. And when he went to the Hiroshima memorial, man ....

We shouldn't be in countries where we aren't wanted. If they need our help in the future, they can ask for it.
flydangler
QUOTE(winston smith @ Feb 20 2006, 01:43 PM)
... but Guam ain't no garden spot either...
Haffa adai! (that's Chamorro, the language of the locals in Guam. It translates into G'day in Australian, eh?)

Methinks if you're gonna get stuck on an isolated island someplace and 'tain't gonna be Oahu then Guam's far more preferable than Okinawa. Just my own opinion based on more'n a little time spent both places, others may disagree.
winston smith
QUOTE(flydangler @ Feb 21 2006, 07:21 AM)
Haffa adai! (that's Chamorro, the language of the locals in Guam. It translates into G'day in Australian, eh?)

Methinks if you're gonna get stuck on an isolated island someplace and 'tain't gonna be Oahu then Guam's far more preferable than Okinawa. Just my own opinion based on more'n a little time spent both places, others may disagree.
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Point made- but for me, I didn't like either. Gimme Maui or Oahu any o'l G'day..." Worse than Guam, though, is Wake. At least in Guam you can get your gallon of duty free. Wake, all you can do is sit at the delapidated structure they try to pass off as bar- The Beachcomber, I think, but am probably wrong- and wait for the end of your crew rest.

True story: ok.gif

Flight engineer on a C-141 always used to hide the booze he bought, just to be ornery with the customs guy. Never declared a drop. Customs, bein' pretty good themselves, always found his stash and confiscated it as undeclared. Usually only some cheap bourbon or something- it was a game for both of them.

One day he hides it and, damn, customs couldn't find it. Looked under all the pallets. Looked in some of the oxygen bottle compartments. Looked in the comfort station top to bottom.

Finally, customs guy turns to the MSgt and says, "OK Sarge, you got me. Show me where you hid it and I'll let you keep it."

Engineer pulled up a milk crate, opened up the hatch above the engineering station, and there it was on top of the fuselage: 5 fifths, one gallon in one of those real nice boxes. Then he went to reach for it and, butterfingers that he was, it slipped out of his fingers down the side of the plane and shattered on the tarmac.
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