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rox63
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Nation's eyes are on South Dakota as abortion bill passes senate, 23 to 12

By TERRY WOSTER and MEGAN MYERS
Argus Leader
Article Published: 02/22/06, 4:43 pm

PIERRE - A contentious abortion bill passed the South Dakota Senate late this afternoon. The vote was 23 to 12.

Lawmakers spent much of this afternoon debating the bill, which has thrust South Dakota into the national spotlight.

House Bill 1215 would ban most abortions in South Dakota.

It now goes back to the House, which passed an earlier version and must now decide whether to accept changes made by the Senate.

The bill would then go to Gov. Mike Rounds.

Republican Sen. Bill Napoli of Rapid City said, "This bill is as straight
forward and as honest as it can be. It just says no more abortions unless the life of the mother is threatened."

Republican Sen. Tom Dempster of Sioux Falls said, "This bill ends up being cold, indifferent and as hostile as any great prairie blizzard that this state has ever seen.''

Democrat Sen. Julie Bartling of Burke said the time is right for the ban on abortion.

“In my opinion, it is the time for this South Dakota Legislature to deal with this issue and protect the rights and lives of unborn children,” she said during the Senate's debate. “There is a movement across this country of the wishes to save and protect the lives of unborn children.”

Republican Sen. Stan Adelstein of Rapid City had tried to amend the bill to include an exception for abortions for victims of rape. The amendment lost 14-21.

“To require a woman who has been savaged to carry the brutal attack result is a continued savagery unworthy of South Dakota,” he said.

Republican Sen. Lee Schoenbeck of Watertown objected.

Rape should be punished severely, he said, but the amendment is unfair to “some equally innocent souls who have no chance to stand and defend themselves.”

The Senate also defeated a proposed amendment to insert an exception to allow an abortion to protect the health of a pregnant woman. That was offered by Republican Sen. David Knudson. It failed on a 13-22 vote.

Senators who favor the ban on abortion also killed an amendment that would have sent the issue to a public vote and another amendment that would have created a special abortion litigation fund to accept donations to pay for a lawsuit.

House Bill 1215 seeks to make abortion a felony but wouldn't allow charges to be filed against a doctor who performed the procedure during an attempt to save the life of a pregnant woman.

The bill, largely drawn from the findings of the recent South Dakota abortion task force, is meant to encourage the U.S. Supreme Court to reconsider the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion in the United States.

The bill passed the House 47-22, largely along party lines, but the Senate is not as bipartisan on the issue.

Rounds has not said how he could act on the bill, but he has said that he supports actions that seek to reduce abortion in the state.

"We have to recognize that each time we propose one of these and each time a court refuses to allow it to go up the line, we reinforce in some peoples' minds that abortion - since it is legal - is morally correct," Rounds said last week.

The governor vetoed a similar abortion bill two years ago, saying he feared it would wipe out existing state restrictions on abortion and leave the state with no law while a court fight waged.

The bill's author, Rep. Roger Hunt, R-Brandon, has said he crafted the legislation to take care of Rounds' objections from 2004.
graham4anything
Maybe they should rule that everyone in South Dakota should go to hell, how about that?

It is really too bad the real blue states don't make more noise about seceeding from the entire thing

Where would the rest of the idiots be then?
jimiray
Can I take it that you are pro-abotion G4A?
Thats one hell of a Deep Subject!
tazvil04
Political posturing... zip.gif
graham4anything
QUOTE(jimiray @ Feb 22 2006, 07:58 PM)
Can I take it that you are  pro-abotion G4A?
Thats one hell of a Deep Subject!
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obviously, with no more restrictions. Late term is a phony issue, and does not occur much, just a wedge issue.

But its more than that.

Tell the girls or women that will die or be butchered for life from back alley abortions like in the old days.

It's not like they are going to go away, they will just be done wrong and innocent girls will die from botched ones.

And unless there is one more SC judge, Roe V. Wade won't be overturned at this point
wundermaus
Who gives a rat's butt about South Dakota? If that state is a vision of what's to come... then the whole nation's gone deaf dumb and blind.
lenal
This legislation is intended to be the first shot in the new war against abortion and deleting Roe v Wade. The anti-abortionists want to test the water now that the composition of the SC has changed.

Then they can strategize further after seeing how this first scrimmage is resolved.


I'd personally like to see some ads addressing the involvement of the males in the unwanted pregnancies - maybe Planned Parenthood should run some ads of newborns asking "Could this be your kid?" or "How many sons or daughters might you have out there that you don't know about?" or maybe "If you're not sure you want to use a condom - then we will offer you the option of a free vasectomy?"

Seems to me that most male legislators aren't thinking "Creatively!". As long as this is one-gender sided there's not likely to be a reduction in the number of abortions.

lenal
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jimiray
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Feb 22 2006, 07:17 PM)
obviously, with no more restrictions. Late term is a phony issue, and does not occur much, just  a wedge issue.

But its more than that.

Tell the girls or women that will die or be butchered for life from back alley abortions like in the old days.

It's not like they are going to go away, they will just be done wrong and innocent girls will die from botched ones.

And unless there is one more SC judge, Roe V. Wade won't be overturned at this point
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I don't see roe being overturned. Like you said ! Wedge Issue!
Damn good divider too!
Dem verses Repub. Hoax!
Divide and Conquer.
jimiray
THE DEM. VS. REP. HOAX
and
the "freedom and democracy" sinister joke

The Democrats versus Republicans game is just a trap for the fools.
And just who are the fools? Well, take a guess my friends !!!

by Jacques Hardy

The Dem vs Rep game has so far been a solid success because while the American people keep playing their childish, useless politics, major crimes against Humanity are committed in their names, not just in America but in all parts of the world.
http://i.am/jah/politics.htm

The US is going from one disaster to the other! Disaster maybe but disasters highly profitable to the wealthy few. Strangely enough the volume of plutocratic profits is dependent on the number of corpses produced by the M.I.C. (Military Industrial Complex).

Thanks to the extravagant excesses of George W. Bush, the word "patriotism" has become an object of derision and shame, and even of horror. More exactly it is now clear to everyone that the - not nine hundred but - nine thousand Americans who were killed in Iraq were - just like in Vietnam - simple, low-life Americans who were duped into the army, thanks to false promises of cash, honor and importance.

CASH? If you want to see with your very own eyes and right this minute what happens when one is ruled by a cash-crazy system of government, interested only in GREED AND SELFISHNESS, just enter the following address in your browser:http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html and there, before you, you will see the hair-raising, blood-curdling sight of the US National debt exploding! As I write this on January 24th 2006, at 13:48 MTL time, the US National debt exceeds eight thousand one hundred and sixty three TRILLION dollars, a sum absolutely impossible to pay back. Now, don't forget to be good slaves to the plutocrats. That is the cost of your INDIFFERENCE !
http://i.am/jah/syst.htm

Freedom and Democracy form the foundations of US propaganda abroad. It is the excuse for attacking and destroying more advanced, peaceful countries such as in particular, VIETNAM, but also many other countries which I won't name on account of the automatic censoring machines which have the impoliteness of deleting a whole message just on account of a few revealing, excessively truthful words.
http://i.am/jah/democra.htm

At this point, you might ask what exactly is the meaning of this word "freedom". Well just look around you and see how, mostly in the United States itself, but also more and more in other countries closely tied to (owned by) the American plutocracy... people who dare think for themselves are thrown in jail or - if they belong to the wrong race - condemned to death, and not only condemned to death but not infrequently, to a slow death, taking sometimes as long as 30 minutes... during which time, evil American executioners are having an ego trip. In addition, innocent people who refuse to "confess" are tortured until they are ready to confess to anything. What has that to do with freedom? And what does the American ordinary guy do in response? NOTHING. He is so scared that he doesn't even dare think. This is FREEDOM, the American way!
http://i.am/jah/workers.htm

During the 2nd World War, in the French resistance as well as in some other countries, we were more clever. We had a fake tooth in the mouth which in case of need could be broken and would then release a drop of Potassium Cyanide: instant death with no suffering... and dead men tell no tales! There is NO OTHER WAY to resist torture which will make you confess to absolutely anything. As you can see, instant suicide and nothing else is the only way to counter the notorious American terrorist "freedom".

In the great United States which as we have been told, is the only Democracy in the Universe, people are free to elect (in rigged elections) whoever they want. Isn't that great! But is that all? Not by a long shot. The United States is exporting free of charge this freedom and democracy in all parts of the world. In addition, in the places - which are many - where people are a bit hard of hearing, they help people hear and understand better. To this end, they have specialized equipment: white phosphorus, radioactive uranium (modestly called "depleted uranium"), random bombing from the air, dismembering children, poisoning water, ... the works.

However, one has to admit it: the United States does a fantastic job of brainwashing the 6.5 billion fools still allowed - for a short time - to live on this planet. The result is that many people both inside and outside America, are unaware that the United States is a Nazi country far, far worse than Hitler's Germany ever was. Americans have been "domesticated" to the point that even when a neighbour or a family member is executed ("suicided" or "disappeared"), relatives may be sad and cry, but publicly they won't say a word, except: "the doctor said it was a suicide, so it must be a suicide, after all the doctor knows best"... The wimps are scared! The wimps are stupid!
http://i.am/jah/heal.htm

FEAR among the sheep is one of the tools of the Evil Empire.

The reason is that besides the brainwashing, the element of fear is an important part of the American system. Whether Democrats or Republicans, FEAR is what forces the Americans to behave like sheep. True enough, many citizens who were not afraid and who opened their mouth have today disappeared for ever. Most of them are now somewhere in the Pacific, in the stomach of some shark. In that sense, the US system is a failproof system. Following in the footsteps of German Nazism, they have been able to go further in eliminating the very last remant of humanity which might have prevented the continued program of enrichment and of depopulation of the plutocracy.
http://i.am/jah/300.htm

Let's start from from the beginning. Essentially, in the United States, there are TWO political parties: the Democrats and the Republicans. Neither party is left or right nor even centrist, they are "patriotic". Both parties have essentially the same program: war, destruction, murder, torture, robbery as well as, especially protecting the interests of the upper class (the few) at the expense of the lower class (the many). Both parties have the same brainwashing machinery. Except possibly with the difference that one party brainwashes while the other washes brains. In other words choosing between the Republicans and the Democrats is like having to choose between Satan and Lucifer. In addition as is known a third party is in the works, so you will be able to choose between Satan, Lucifer and Beelzebub... the results will be the same since they are all the private property of the wealthy few: the plutocrats!
http://i.am/jah/300.htm

Many, perhaps most Americans, are well aware of all this but prefer to make believe they don't know, don't understand! Typically they will say: "politics is dirty, I want no part of it and besides, television does not lie and television shows us with pictures that America is the land of the free!" This is the song that not only Americans but people everywhere are chanting right on to their horrible, slow death.
http://i.am/jah/politics.htm

The extraordinary ease with which people of all races, all colours, everywhere can be fooled and misled to their death is simply hair raising and the consequences will not take long to appear. The logic of it all is that 9/10 of the world's people are scheduled to be murdered, including half of the American population ... and as New Orleans demonstrates, coloured and latino people are doomed. Do they care? NO! They are sleeping, and that is the tragedy of it all! Everybody should be required to wear a sign on the forehead saying "DISABLED BY UNCLE SAM!"
http://i.am/jah/dune.htm

The important thing to notice is that thanks to this scientific brainwash, people really believe one party is better than the other. They refuse to understand that BOTH parties (and when there will be three, it will be all three) are IDENTICAL and moreover HAVE TO BE: They are financed by the wealthy few and have for objective and mission to help the plutocracy to increase its grab on power, increase its wealth and achieve world domination.

All facts point to the conclusion that IGNORANCE and FEAR lead to INDIFFERENCE and PASSIVITY, which in turn leads to TORTURE and DEATH for the many and WEALTH and POWER for the few. Isn't that a perfect set-up (for the few)? (ADDED by LJ: I see there is a new magazine produced for the 'wealthy few' and it is necessary to be a multi millionaire to be asked to subscribe!!).

WHY are they (the plutocrats) so easily succeeding? If one compares different nations and different time periods one can see why. The answer is in DESEDUCATION: the culture of ignorance. From beginning to end, young people are oriented NOT AT ALL towards knowledge and THOUGHT, but towards unneeded "sports", (BUT: I think this is a bit harsh... sport teaches lots of good skills... to work together, to encourage and teach good leadership, make good friends... encourages thinkers... works off aggression... lots more... LJ ) drug use, undisciplined schooling, ineffective teaching and so on... but no encouragement to think.
http://i.am/jah/drugs.htm

The result is twofold: first, half the population of the USA is ilIiterate, second... they simply just don't know anything!... to the point that even in Big National projects, even in Space technology, even in the military, even in industry, ... they need to import scientists from abroad! Actually, I have been talking about those things for years: to the deaf ears of indifferent people. True, lately, people have been listening: a bit late though, THE HORRIBLE END IS NEAR.
http://i.am/jah/signs.htm

Of course let's admit it, there are two sides to a coin and the other side is that thanks to this system, the plutocrats can easily and in all safety increase their wealth, increase their power all over the world and proceed with their DEPOPULATION program... It is certainly not any brainwashed "patriot" who will prevent them from accomplishing this great goal of extermination.

Allow me to be more direct! Let's go back in time, say two thousand and some years ago! Suppose a guy like me would have said in Roman times, the same things I do now: Would that have made any difference? Would the people have stopped being indifferent to the crucifixions occurring all along the road to Rome? NOT A CHANCE! The ordinary Roman people were just as indifferent, passive and unthinking as the Americans are, as well for that matter as the world's people (or most of them) right now. And there you see how it works.
http://i.am/jah/robab.htm

Who was guilty two thousand years ago? Caesar? NOT ONE BIT, It was THE VICTIMS WHO WERE GUILTY, they were guilty of peacefully going to their death instead of eviscerating their bloody Caesar. In the end, Caesar lost his power through a simple revolt by some greedy, selfish pigs who wanted it all for themselves instead of Caesar. Yet even that won't happen today because the plutocrats are wise to it! The big secret reason why the plutocrats have greater success now than in Roman times is that now, if they suspect somebody, they kill him or her first, before the victim has even time to say "DUH!"

Ten years ago, I did not have very many readers and those I had did not believe too much in my assessment of the international situation. But events proved me correct, the USA started on its criminal and destructive conquest of the world. That is a fact.

Nevertheless that fact does not seem to make a bit of difference. The average Americans, instead of getting rid of their criminal Nazi system are not perturbed in the least and sheep-like, continue searching for personal benefits, while at the same time making as if America was the land of freedom and democracy! The Democrats accuse the Republicans and the Republicans accuse the Democrats! The fools can be divided into 8 groups as follows, more or less in order of importance:



1. Those who pretend not to know, they make believe they are stupid.

2. Those who know what is going on but refuse to think about it: they are scared.

3. Those who say "I know but I can't do anything about it". They are mentally lazy.

4. Those who know but are uninterested because as they say "politics is dirty".

5. Those who know and want to know more (too few of these).

6. Those who know and want to act (even fewer).

7. Those who know and want to know... how much money they can make out of it !

8. Those who claim: "all that is not true" and "America is really the land of freedom and democracy". These guys are the self-styled "patriots", actually selfish, greedy monsters who deserve instant death for their complicity in the accomplishment of major crimes against Humanity.

Let's summarize what is going on:

(1) While the fools are playing their Democrat versus Republican childish game...

(2) People are being bought both at home and abroad on the principles that "money talks" and "every conscience has its price".

(3) Most people need not be bought though, they are very easily domesticated through fear... fear of torture and death.

(4) The highly lucrative use of terror, terrorists and terrorism is the very soul of US power and the US has been applying it universally with extreme success.

Indeed the majority of fools in Russia, France, Islamic countries, etc. do not even suspect that Uncle Sam is behind all terrorism, in spite of the obvious evidence that the only people to gain from terrorism is the American plutocracy.
http://i.am/jah/300.htm

In a few words, the secret of American world-wide success is in the following SIX principles:



- Buy people.

- Kill those who won't be bought.

- Have all resistors arrested or otherwise eliminated.

- Use torture whenever useful.

- Eliminate thinkers discreetly but surely.

- Rely on FEAR, XENOPHOBIA and RACISM.

NOW A WARNING: At some point, you will stop receiving my articles. There are several different reasons for this:

1) I may die of old age: after-all I am 77 and burning the candle from both ends,

(2) They will just kill me: I am surprised they haven't done it yet,

(3) They will prevent me successfully from communicating: which they are attempting all the time, so far without success but give them some more time and somehow they will succeed.

But whatever the reason, keep the following in mind: the minute I am no more, it will be YOUR HUMAN DUTY to carry on, but on a higher level, because the instant they get me, YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED. Those guys are not joking one bit. They believe in their infinite power and wealth, they believe in their necessary depopulation plan, therefore you, whoever you are and wherever you are... though especially if you are not the lily-white slave material they want, you will be next on their agenda. Now, the only negative thing in all this is that when they kill YOU, instead of doing a quick job of it, they will want to make it last long and hard. Why? Because they are like that, they want to go on an ego trip and enjoy their "supreme" power.
http://i.am/jah/illumin.htm

But all the foregoing is just talk... tough talk. How about some hard facts?

http://100777.com/node/1541
wundermaus
QUOTE(wundermaus @ Feb 22 2006, 07:56 PM)
Who gives a rat's butt about South Dakota? If that state is a vision of what's to come... then the whole nation's gone deaf dumb and blind.
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When their women are raped and left by the side of the road ... when their daughters hemorrhage and bleed to dead from self inflected injury or at the hands of butchers and quacks... when their sons stare into the darkness of ten thousand starless nights... maybe someday, we as a nation... we as a society.. will face our responsibilities and protect one another from the ignorance of a loud mouth few.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(wundermaus @ Feb 22 2006, 06:56 PM)
Who gives a rat's butt about South Dakota? If that state is a vision of what's to come... then the whole nation's gone deaf dumb and blind.
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Maybe it is good to get this issue before the Supremes. Let's find out how they are going to rule.

Sooner is better than later.

Then we can take action.
rox63
Atrios suggests boycotting states that ban abortion, if Roe v Wade is overturned:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_02_19_atri...070492352500754

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South Dakota

South Dakota has passed a clearly unconstitutional abortion ban. Presumably a lawsuit will be filed and a federal court will toss the law out, the only question being whether Roberts and Strip Search Sammy will then decide to hear the case.

I've long thought that if Roe goes then the boycotting of states which ban abortion would be a moral imperative. I see no reason to visit states which claim they own the deed to my wife's uterus.

-Atrios 9:24 AM
NiteOwl
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Feb 23 2006, 02:14 AM)
Maybe it is good to get this issue before the Supremes. Let's find out how  they are going to rule.

Sooner is better than later.

Then we can take action.
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My senitiments exactly.

They want a wedge issue... they've got it. The sooner this goes to the USSC the better. It will force Americans to finally make a decision and end the apathy and complacency that many have been slumbering in. Most Americans take a moderate position on abortion so it would be reasonable to expect that there would be pressure against the RW/CC push and this would align things against them IMHO. Then the vocal minority could be put back where they belong... in a position of less political power.

It is going to take something like this to make the silent majority wake up and speak.
The RW wants a showdown... well this law may very well make it happen.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(NiteOwl @ Feb 23 2006, 07:41 AM)
My senitiments exactly. 

They want a wedge issue... they've got it.  The sooner this goes to the USSC the better.  It will force Americans to finally make a decision and end the apathy and complacency that many have been slumbering in.  Most Americans take a moderate position on abortion so it would be reasonable to expect that there would be pressure against the RW/CC push and this would align things against them IMHO.  Then the vocal minority could be put back where they belong... in a position of less political power. 

It is going to take something like this to make the silent majority wake up and speak.
The RW wants a showdown... well this law may very well make it happen.
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In thinking back, the USSC has handed down two majors in my lifetime: Brown v Board, and Roe v Wade.

Brown v. Board, while clearly an important decision, really didn't become effective until the Civil Rights movement, the marches, the leadership of Martin Luther King, and... the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

I think Roe, no matter how it comes down, is going to need much the same thing: movements, leadership, and finally Congressional Action.

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Salute_Liberty
The abortion issues are purposely rocked into our minds now as a distraction so that the media is forced to overlook greater issues, like the selling off America to the highest bidders, funded by Carlyle and those World Organizations, affiliated to the Imperialistic World New Order.

Who cares what laws they pull in America regarding abortions. There are still many nations where abortion is legalized, and there are abortion pills -Mifepristone and Misoprostol - that can be purchased by women for early termination or for early abortion . Fear not, women are smarter than a selected group of holier-than-thou men whose aim is to control their womenfolk under their distorted and misguided translations of the Bible. Let Mary Magdalene be the guiding Biblical model and light for women...
rox63
Jane at firedoglake wonders: Why don't these so-called pro-life activists protest outside IVF clinics? Lots of embryos getting dumped there. Her theory is that protesting abortion is really about punishing women for having sex, whereas there's no sex involved in IVF. It's a good read:
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_19...074133053246754
MrJim
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It is going to take something like this to make the silent majority wake up and speak.
The RW wants a showdown... well this law may very well make it happen.


No, the only thing that will make the silent majority wake up is one of the following:

1. Gas prices triple
2. Their cable TV access is interrupted
3. Cheap hamburgers become expensive
4. American Idol and/or Survivor is cancelled
MrJim
The South Dakota law is terrible, but this weird thought just crossed my mind:

If rape was an allowable exception, how many young women (or women of any age, come to think of it) would suddenly turn on boyfriends and accuse them of rape when they found out they were pregnant?

I guess the law would have to be worded such that the rape would have to be reported before pregancy was determined, or something like that...
Dyan
QUOTE(jimiray @ Feb 22 2006, 10:04 PM)
I don't see roe being overturned. Like you said ! Wedge Issue!
Damn good divider too!
Dem verses Repub. Hoax!
Divide and Conquer.
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I half wonder if the Court won't grab the first chance and overturn Roe with this case. Maybe even the one coming this year. Because this may be a case where Republicans will reap that old 'be careful what you hope for' curse.

I guess it's just that my gut says that Alito and Roberts are going to be quick to (in their view) correct something. Scalia and Thomas be right behind them .......... egging them on.
Salute_Liberty
hhhmmh, South Dakota will become infamous one fine day... as the state with the largest population with inherited genes of rapists and incest abusers. God forbid, a whole new generation with probable sexual misfits, and sex offenders? roflmbo.gif roflmbo.gif roflmbo.gif
Indianhead
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../602250333/1001


Abortion ban rests on Rounds
Governor says he'll study before signing


MEGAN MYERS & TERRY WOSTER
Argus Leader - Sioux Falls, South Dakota

Article Published: 02/25/06, 2:55 am

PIERRE - The legislation process is over. Now it's up to Gov. Mike Rounds to decide whether he'll sign or veto a bill that would make almost all abortions illegal in South Dakota.

The state House of Representatives voted 50-18 on Friday to approve a minor amendment to HB1215, a bill aimed at creating a U.S. Supreme Court challenge to the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion.

The 50-18 vote came two days after the Senate passed the measure by a 23-12 margin. The bill now goes to Rounds, who vetoed a similar bill two years ago because he feared it would wipe out existing state restrictions on abortion and leave the state with no law while a court battle raged.

This time, the Republican governor said he is inclined to sign the bill if he determines that it can save lives.

"I've indicated I'm pro-life, and I do believe abortion is wrong, and that we should do everything we can to save lives," Rounds said Friday at a news conference. "If this bill accomplishes that, then I am inclined to sign the bill into law."

But Rounds said he doesn't necessarily agree with the "frontal assault" tactic the bill uses in an effort to overturn the decision that legalized abortion.

"Personally, I think we will save more lives by continuing to chip away at Roe v. Wade," he said. "Long-term, I think this court is probably more amenable to restricting the impact of Roe v. Wade on a case-by-case basis and an exception-by-exception basis.

"But in the meantime, this may satisfy a lot of individuals out there who would like to see if there is one slim chance the court may entertain three years from now a direct assault on Roe v. Wade."

A Sioux Falls anti-abortion activist is hopeful that the governor will sign the bill this time, but listening to Rounds' latest statements, she fears a veto could be possible.

"Those were all words he used last time," said Leslee Unruh, director of the Alpha Center crisis pregnancy center and president of the Abstinence Clearinghouse.

"I've had some personal conversations with him that personally concerned me," Unruh said. "But we haven't given him any reason why not (to sign it)."

Rounds said his Roman Catholic faith will play a role in his decision.

"I've never made any suggestions that I would not allow my faith to be part of the decision-making process," he said. "I think that's an attribute that people would expect from any elected leader."


Testing new court

The bill would ban almost all abortions in South Dakota and would be the most stringent anti-abortion measure adopted by a state. It would be unconstitutional under current U.S. Supreme Court rulings.

Several other states are considering similar measures, and the combined efforts are designed to force the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe v. Wade.

Supporters' hopes for the future of the bill hinge on the idea that a changed Supreme Court - with the recent appointment of conservative Justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito - might be more amenable to reconsidering Roe.

Abortion opponents also speculate that Justice John Paul Stevens could retire within the remaining years of Bush's presidency and that the president could appoint a judge who could swing a decision reversing the law.

Both chambers of the Legislature now have passed the bill, and it could be delivered to the governor by early next week.

If Rounds signs the bill, abortion-rights advocates have said they plan to file a lawsuit swiftly to attempt to receive an injunction to keep it from taking effect July 1. Planned Parenthood, which operates the state's only abortion clinic, in Sioux Falls, will lead that charge, said Kate Looby, the organization's state director.

"I have to say I'm disappointed in the news that the governor has indicated he would sign the bill," Looby said. "We're still hopeful he'll hear the voices of women and families in South Dakota that say, 'Please don't sign this bill; please protect the health and safety of the women in this state.' "

Much of the opposition to the bill stems from its lack of exceptions for abortion in cases of rape and incest.

Rounds said he has sympathy for rape and incest survivors who become pregnant as a result of the attack, but he contends that "the taking of a life does not take care of the harm that's been done by the sexual assault."

But "if they would have presented me a bill which would have eliminated abortion with the exception of a sexual assault, I would have considered signing that bill as well because it would have further restricted abortion from what it is today," Rounds said.


Looking at the details

Once the bill is delivered to the governor, Rounds will have 15 days to review the bill and make sure it does what sponsors say it does. He could either sign the bill, exercise a couple of different veto options or allow the bill to pass without his signature.

"My inclination, once again it sounds like a hedge when I say it, but truly we will look at the fine details in the bill to make sure it does what the sponsors intend it to do first," he said.

The author of the bill, Rep. Roger Hunt, R-Brandon, said he expects the governor to sign it into law.

"We've fixed his concerns from two years ago and fixed the contents of the bill," Hunt said. "We'll know within probably about 15 days, because that's the time that he would have to file a veto."

Hunt has said an anonymous donor has offered $1 million toward the state's potential legal fees, and he successfully introduced a measure this week setting up a "life protection subfund."

Rounds said Friday that he doesn't know the identity of the anonymous donor but that the state has already received donations for the expected court battle.

"I can tell you firsthand that we've had people stopping in our office trying to drop off checks to promote the defense of this legislation already," he said.

The fund would be established under the state's existing extraordinary litigation fund. The legislature might put money into the fund, and private donations can be deposited there by the Bureau of Administration.

The Alpha Center, a vocal supporter of HB1215, told its supporters in an e-mail Friday that Rounds is considering a veto. The message urged supporters to donate "as little as a dollar" to the proposed litigation fund.

Reach Megan Myers and Terry Woster in Pierre at 224-2760.
letters to editor: editor@argusleader.com
graham4anything
QUOTE(Dyan @ Feb 23 2006, 09:14 PM)
I half wonder if the Court won't grab the first chance and overturn Roe with this case.  Maybe even the one coming this year.    Because this may be a case where Republicans will reap that old 'be careful what you hope for' curse.

I guess it's just that my gut says that Alito and Roberts are going to be quick to (in their view) correct something.  Scalia and Thomas be right behind them .......... egging them on.
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5 of the justices have already voted NOT to overturn in the past

Roe v. Wade was 6 to 3
Now it is 5 to 4
so it can't be overturned at this point. Kennedy is one of the 5 to keep it legal

the arsewipes (Roberts, Alito,Scalia, Thomas) only have 4 votes
graham4anything
Let's just get rid of South Dakota. Throw them out of the USA.

Everyone should move out of there. Let's do NO business with them, and the same for any other state that attempts to ban it.

They are not needed. Who cares.

Make RU486 and the PlanB pill over the counter, pass it along to any woman who wants it and then in their own privacy safe and sound
it will be done

NO giving back anything
rox63
Interesting note, that 'anonymous donors' are paying big bucks to defend this horrible law.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/25/2553/87673

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South Dakota anonymous donor puts Abramoff to shame

by Impolitical
Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 12:05:53 AM PDT

It's difficult to narrow down what exactly is the most outrageous aspect of the South Dakota legislature's action in passing their draconian law restricting women's reproductive health. Clearly the restrictions in the law are reprehensible.  But a big part of this story is the unmitigated gall of those behind the scenes with money who are seeking to influence this act by the legislature. 

Let's just take a look at one glaring fact that has jumped off the page in this Times story:
    During debate on the measure, lawmakers were told that an anonymous donor has pledged to give the state $1 million to defend the abortion ban in court. The Legislature is setting up a special account to accept donations for the legal fight.

    ''I can tell you first-hand we've had people stopping in our office trying to drop off checks to promote the defense of this legislation already,'' Rounds said.


    Opponents of the bill argued that abortion should at least be allowed in cases involving rape, incest and a threat to a women's health.

    If a woman who is raped becomes pregnant, the rapist would have the same rights to the child as the mother, said Krista Heeren-Graber, executive director of the South Dakota Network Against Family Violence and Sexual Assault.

    ''The idea the rapist could be in the child's life ... makes the woman very, very fearful. Sometimes they need to have choice,'' Heeren-Graber said.
    (emphasis added)
That's right.  Someone is buying influence overtly, in plain sight and the South Dakota legislature is giving a full airing to that fact.  They think it's a-OK to drop this fact publicly.  We've got a sugar daddy financing our legal fight - in addition to the financial resources of the state.  Touting it as if it justifies their actions, legitimizing their course of action. 

We all know money influences political decisions, there is a lobbying industry in Washington under the magnifying glass as I write thanks to Jack Abramoff and his Republican lawmaker beneficiaries.  But Abramoff et al., surprisingly,  didn't have the cheek to announce to the world that they were buying a piece of legislation or a favour.  Here we have an evolution in the form of an anonymous "donor."  A "donor."  Like he or she is making a deposit in a blood bank or financing a wing of a hospital.  But no, apparently this private citizen is ponying up to the tune of $1 million to defend this law in court.  Of course that doesn't mean that the law will actually hold up.  It does, however, mean that such a law will stand until (or if, in this era) it's struck down.  And the size of this donation, in tandem with state resources, means it's likely to stand for a number of years, while being fought all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.  How do you like them apples, citizens of South Dakota? 

The dunderhead Governor chimes in that he thinks it's great that people are "trying to drop off checks to promote the defense of this legislation already."  Well, when people are ready to pay for legislation, that must certainly mean, in this day and age in the USA, that the legislature is on the right track. 

I'd like to hear a few thoughts on this from people like John McCain, the supposed reformer, straight-talker, and supporter of finance reform in the political realm. 

I'm sure a lot of peoople would also like to know the answer to a more a propos question.  Just who is this anonymous donor?  Care to step forward and give the people of South Dakota the identity of the person who's pulling the levers on their legislature?  Who exactly is running things in South Dakota?
rox63
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2.../top/news02.txt

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Abortion-rights advocates threaten to boycott S.D.

By Dan Daly, Journal Staff Writer
Saturday, February 25, 2006

RAPID CITY — The South Dakota Legislature’s passage of an abortion ban bill prompted an angry reaction from abortion-rights supporters who vowed to boycott the state’s tourism industry.

The state Department of Tourism received a dozen e-mails and a number of angry phone calls Friday from abortion-rights supporters who say they will not vacation in South Dakota.

A Madison, Wis.,-based group has formally called for a boycott of South Dakota tourism. In a news release titled “Bypass South Dakota!”, the Women’s Medical Fund urged supporters to steer clear of South Dakota.

“All kinds of families visit Mount Rushmore every year. It’s a favorite of Americans and foreign tourists. But we can do without Mount Rushmore, the Black Hills, the Badlands and the Corn Palace,” Anne Gaylor, director of the Fund, wrote. “We are encouraging all groups who care about women’s rights to urge their members to bypass South Dakota.”

Billie Jo Waara, head of the state office of tourism, said her office has been hearing from people throughout the country.

“They have commented on the fact that the state is a great destination for travel, but our current political situation doesn’t match their agenda,” Waara said.

Waara said she was unsure exactly how many phone calls the Tourism Department has received. She confirmed that the agency got 12 e-mails, a small number compared with the Tourism Office’s daily e-mail traffic.

She hasn’t heard of anyone canceling trips that were already planned for South Dakota; the callers and e-mailers are instead saying they won’t make plans to visit the state.

“Certainly, this is an important issue for South Dakota, an important issue for our country. Our state’s leadership (Legislature) is taking their position, and we’ll have to determine what impact this will have on our industry,” she said.

Meanwhile, the Rapid City Journal received seven letters to the editor on Thursday and Friday that specifically call for a tourism boycott of South Dakota.

One of the letter writers, Louise Jezierski of Okemos, Mich., wrote that she and her husband have visited the Badlands and Black Hills in the past. “We planned to take our two boys to share with them this very special place,” she wrote Friday. “But today, the government of the state of South Dakota voted to take away the civil rights of women and their families. I cannot, in good conscience, support any economy that thrives on intolerance and promotes the relegation of women to second class citizenship.”

In an interview Friday afternoon, Gaylor of the Women’s Medical Fund compared a South Dakota tourism boycott to the 1990 Idaho potato boycott, which she said was successful in turning back an abortion ban in the state.

The potato boycott never became an actual boycott. The National Organization for Women and other pro-choice groups called for a boycott of Idaho’s most famous agricultural product.

Pro-life groups countered with a drive to encourage members to increase potato consumption if the bill became law.

It isn’t clear what effect the potato boycott threat actually had. Then-Gov. Cecil Andrus vetoed the abortion bill, citing an aversion to out-of-state pressure.

Tourism is billed as South Dakota’s second-largest industry, behind agriculture. It isn’t clear whether the “Bypass South Dakota” movement has broad support. The National Organization for Women Web site posted a statement decrying the South Dakota Legislature’s vote. However, it made no specific mention Friday of a boycott.

South Dakota has seen various tourism boycotts in the past. Most recently, some motorcycle groups vowed to boycott the Sturgis motorcycle rally to protest what they believed was a light sentence for Rep. Bill Janklow’s manslaughter conviction. He served 100 days in jail for killing a motorcyclist in an auto accident.

In 2003, American Indian groups called for a South Dakota tourism boycott to protest the treatment of Indian burial grounds and sacred sites.

Neither had a significant effect on visitation.

Bill Honerkamp, head of the Black Hills, Badlands & Lakes Association, said Friday he was not aware of an abortion-rights tourism boycott of South Dakota.

“That’s the first I’ve heard of it,” he said. “We’re powerless to stop a faction from staging a boycott, but I can’t imagine it having much political leverage (on the Legislature).”
MrJim
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Let's just get rid of South Dakota. Throw them out of the USA.

Everyone should move out of there. Let's do NO business with them, and the same for any other state that attempts to ban it.


Then we'd have to change all the American flags to 49 stars, and those flags are difficult to make.

Oh wait -- we can just make Iraq the 50th state.
wundermaus
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." That was Margaret Mead's conclusion after a lifetime of observing very diverse cultures around the world. Her insight has been borne out time and again throughout the development of this country of ours. Being allowed to live life in an atmosphere of religious freedom, having a voice in the government you support with your taxes, living free of lifelong enslavement by another person. These beliefs about how life should and must be lived were once considered outlandish by many. But these beliefs were fervently held by visionaries whose steadfast work brought about changed minds and attitudes. Now these beliefs are commonly shared across U.S. society.

Another initially outlandish idea that has come to pass: United States citizenship for women. 1998 marked the 150th Anniversary of a movement by women to achieve full civil rights in this country. Over the past seven generations, dramatic social and legal changes have been accomplished that are now so accepted that they go unnoticed by people whose lives they have utterly changed. Many people who have lived through the recent decades of this process have come to accept blithely what has transpired. And younger people, for the most part, can hardly believe life was ever otherwise. They take the changes completely in stride, as how life has always been.

The staggering changes for women that have come about over those seven generations in family life, in religion, in government, in employment, in education - these changes did not just happen spontaneously. Women themselves made these changes happen, very deliberately. Women have not been the passive recipients of miraculous changes in laws and human nature. Seven generations of women have come together to affect these changes in the most democratic ways: through meetings, petition drives, lobbying, public speaking, and nonviolent resistance. They have worked very deliberately to create a better world, and they have succeeded hugely.

Throughout 1998, the 150th anniversary of the Women's Rights Movement is being celebrated across the nation with programs and events taking every form imaginable. Like many amazing stories, the history of the Women's Rights Movement began with a small group of people questioning why human lives were being unfairly constricted.

More -> http://www.legacy98.org/move-hist.html
wundermaus
QUOTE(MrJim @ Feb 25 2006, 08:59 AM)
Then we'd have to change all the American flags to 49 stars, and those flags are difficult to make.

Oh wait -- we can just make Iraq the 50th state.
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census stats on SD - http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/46000.html
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