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hgebeaux
The killing of the CARE worker is so horrible, it's depressing, it's sad. There is where the real terrorism is, NOT in the streets and homes of innocent Iraqis. And why hasn't Bush done more with these kidnappers? It's been going on so long, yet I haven't heard anything about a US effort to fight it. Look, Iraq isn't that big. The kidnappers apparently deliver a video after each kidnapping to a single, KNOWN, media outlet. Why aren't we watching that outlet and monitoring who comes and goes? Oh well.
But my main point here is that I understand the Iraqi people have expressed real sorrow and anger over the CARE killing. Maybe now is the time to push for someone to give us some clues about who and where these people are. Surely, especially with some kind of reward, now would be the time for an Iraqi citizen to give us some good intelligence.
I would hope this is being done, but I have my doubts. Bush is so involved with his war, with his destruction of the Iraqi people and infrastructure, that he has lost sight of terrorism. What will it take to kick him in the behind and get him into action?
Oh how sad this is.
Kjustme061
I've been saying this for months. How can they kidnap this many people in broad daylight with our soldiers all over the streets, and why is it so damn difficult to find them?? IMO, Bush isn't doing anything to prevent it. Doesn't seem much like he cares about the hostages.
random_dana
There have been at least two rescue attempts that were reported in the open press; I'd assume there have been more that remain classified. Don't trivialize the difficulty of this - it is a substantially complicated intelligence problem.

With luck, the growing outrage over the murders will lead to more HUMINT from Iraqi citizens. That's probably what it's going to take in order to solve the problem.

But please don't assume that we're not working on killing those responsible for these terrorist acts.
hgebeaux
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But please don't assume that we're not working on killing those responsible for these terrorist acts.


And let's not assume that Bush IS working on this. That could lead to complacency with something that needs attention. Rather, I'd suggest Bush be held to the fire on this, to prove he is doing something, or at the very least assure us he is. My gut assumption is that this issue is lost in the debris of his hunger for war. What I feel about it is that the kidnapping is the REAL terrorism, while the fight with the insurgents is more a war thing. These are TWO issues, a fact Kerry asserted time and again during the campaign and which Bush didn't see and denied.
random_dana
I can assure you that the military and the intelligence community is working hard on this. We just overran the areas that were being used to slaughter hostages, and freed two kidnapping victims, for example.
SemperFidelis
It really impresses me that most of these brave people here sitting comfortably safe behind the anonymity of their computers passing moral judgements on, criticizing and/or throwing brick bats at our service members serving in combat do not seem to have experienced combat themselves. Interesting that no such judgemental posts are coming from those who have served.
hgebeaux
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It really impresses me that most of these brave people here sitting comfortably safe behind the anonymity of their computers passing moral judgements on, criticizing and/or throwing brick bats at our service members serving in combat do not seem to have experienced combat themselves. Interesting that no such judgemental posts are coming from those who have served.



I can certainly understand your saying what you said. But, two points.
First, my comments didn't deal with the service members serving in combat. I believe there are easily two levels here - the soldiers (which can only have our complete admiration and support) and those sitting in Washington or wherever running the show, administering the show, creating the show. It's to this latter group that I direct my ire. They are the ones making mistakes, making decisions based on bad info or ego, and so on. I think Kerry's criticism of the war was along those same lines. Even though Bush tried to say he was criticizing the soldiers, he wasn't. He was criticizing Bush and Bush's cohorts.
Second, yes, I'm not in combat. When I served in the Army, we weren't at war. I did my three years in certainly plush surroundings compared to the soldiers fighting. But I don't feel that one has to have been in combat to have a valid opinion about the war. Just as our recent election, we didn't restrict voting only to those who had or were elected officials. No, it was for all, because that's our country, the country that you fought for so wonderfully. Let's don't close the door on what you fought for, please.
Cloudy
The horror of war is something every person should have to look at, particularly before commiting a coutry to war.

Why is OBL still free?
flydangler
QUOTE(hgebeaux @ Nov 17 2004, 05:40 PM)
I can certainly understand your saying what you said. But, two points.
First, my comments didn't deal with the service members serving in combat. I believe there are easily two levels here - the soldiers (which can only have our complete admiration and support) and those sitting in Washington or wherever running the show, administering the show, creating the show. It's to this latter group that I direct my ire. They are the ones making mistakes, making decisions based on bad info or ego, and so on. I think Kerry's criticism of the war was along those same lines. Even though Bush tried to say he was criticizing the soldiers, he wasn't. He was criticizing Bush and Bush's cohorts.
Second, yes, I'm not in combat. When I served in the Army, we weren't at war. I did my three years in certainly plush surroundings compared to the soldiers fighting. But I don't feel that one has to have been in combat to have a valid opinion about the war. Just as our recent election, we didn't restrict voting only to those who had or were elected officials. No, it was for all, because that's our country, the country that you fought for so wonderfully. Let's don't close the door on what you fought for, please.
Rather than going over it again here please just look at target='_blank'>this post.
Marine
QUOTE(Kjustme061 @ Nov 17 2004, 02:21 PM)
I've been saying this for months.  How can they kidnap this many people in broad daylight with our soldiers all over the streets, and why is it so damn difficult to find them??  IMO, Bush isn't doing anything to prevent it.  Doesn't seem much like he cares about the hostages.
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The same way criminals in the United States get away with carjacking, robbing convenience stores, etc.

The good guys can't be everywhere at once and the bad guys behave when the good guys are around.
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