http://www.wzzm13.com/news/grmetro_article...x?storyid=33437

Grand Rapids - The FBI is investigating a Grand Rapids company tonight.

At about 8am this morning agents raided the Cybernet Group on Division.

They told dozens of employees to leave, while they went through the building and confiscated computers.

Agents won't say what they're looking for, but they did tell us that they were executing two search warrants.

Cybernet has more than a dozen offices worldwide.

The Grand Rapids location is the company's main headquarters here in the U.S.

It is probably another software piracy thing. They have been the target of those kinds of raids before.

cybernet works on defense systems for the DOD. Check out the home page.

http://www.cybernet.com/

they also specialize in touch screens.

http://www.cybernetman.com/

Maybe they hacked the election by not leaving any "footprints" :o

CORRECTION: Grand Rapids is NOT in Florida.

Possible connection to vote fraud?

PLease show us what you are "hiding" in your hand.

Making a statement like "...sure enough, connected to teh same scam..." needs to be backed if you wish to post that kind of statement.

I will say this: They have various programs across the country and offices, some in florida, some in michigan, some in NY state even.

Also, they are called CyberNET engineering, not systems. Ciber systems has a footnote....

Found this as well:

CyberNET Group building raided in Grand Rapids

(Update, Grand Rapids, November 17, 2004, 5:27 p.m.) Federal officers from about every agency you can name entered The CyberNET Group building on South Division Avenue, south of Fulton Street, in Grand Rapids Wednesday morning.

They seized all electronic data including computers and financial information connected to the company. Federal agents brought in truckloads of equipment, and according to employees, they will likely be here for days collecting information.

The CyberNET Group hosts Internet Web sites for companies and holds electronic data for them. The company is based in Grand Rapids with 120 employees, and another 550 worldwide in Chicago, Las Vegas, the United Kingdom, Philippines, Australia, Hong Kong and China.

Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 the investigation involves wire mail fraud and bank fraud. The allegations are something the company's owner and CEO Barton Watson is familiar with, as he was convicted of fraud in the 1980s. He served three years in a federal prison and was released in 1989.

The owner of the building says he leased space to the company five years ago. He says they have been good tenants.

Employees tell 24 Hour News 8 they thought their boss was had a clean history. Now they wonder if they will still have a job.

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2...03&nav=0RceTEfz

CORRECTION:

The ONLY CyberNet in Grand Rapids has NO locations in Florida.

Here is the page that shows their locations:

http://www.cybernet-usa.com/locations.asp

Has to do with Boeing and HOR

Do you have more information? Why do you think this?

likewise the cybernet engineering reference from above:
http://www.cybernetengineering.com/locations.asp
( same page)

The subsidiary Strycon which merged with Halcyon had contracts with Boeing

which also leads the House giving out the contract over Lockheed.

An interesting, very large, printed document on this company's entire process of involvement:

http://web.ptc.org/library/ptr/pdf/1q99.pdf

So now.....

Cool news.......sounds like a good time to start watching the news, too!

This does not point them directly involved with Sembler's organization and Mr J Bush, but then again, when the F.B.I starts sniffing around (and they had the radio transcript on today of Roger, Jeff and others talking to an authority official who is sniffing this one hard) they don't just go to the juvenile junkies and start throwing out warrants, they take their nose straight up the chain, to see where to go in order to get real nasty

http://www.awex.be/NR/rdonlyres/7DB6A326-0.../387/TIC_EN.pdf

created during the June 1999 elections
According to this document, Cybernet Engineering had some interesting connections to the results of the June 1999 elections, and what do we have here....They possibly outsourced their code, meaning it is very likely this gigantic government company helped these university schools get all the technology, and thus, the ease of hacking democracy as we know it to pieces.

New Bush/Gore election story images and texts are added

http://www.andruid.com/papers/andruidDissertationPublic.pdf

Interesting oh right, and why else would the Bush brothers have such an overwhelming interest in technology and be financing it unless it was also to support their own agenda, and rig it their way

Oops, I did it again

Story mentions cybernet...

http://www.pcwdld.com/news/printing-software/5880.htm

This 22 page document appears to be about a telecommunications development project in Bangladesh. Can you point me to any page in this document that has anything to do with the CyberNet Group or anything to do with elections???

For the inquiring minds

Look on page 25 of the report, the words come out strong in the search engine, have to look careful in the doc.

No, the story does not mention cybernet. The page the story is on has a link -- not related to the story -- to another article that mentions a company called Cybernet Software Systems. This is not the same company as the CyberNet group and there is nothing here that links either Cybernet Software Systems or the CyberNet group to voting technology.

CORRECTION:

The document is 22 pages in length. There is NO page 25.

Its at the near end of the report, which should be your page 18

Hmmm look on page 25 of the 22-page document
Doh!

Please be careful what you post activisms. It was suggested to post a snippet of the document followed with a link to sunstantiate any points you want to make.
Thanks,

Yes, Activisms, please do post a snippet to make your point.

gduval, if you click on the links that Activisms has posted and see what is actually there, I think you may gain an important insight.

Don't worry, gduval has seen Activisms posts for awhile now. We all have. Those of us who take the time to read the articles he cites will find that the articles do not support his claims, and often have nothing to do with his claims.

One of my all time favorites was when he posted that the Russians had witnessed Karl Rove hacking.

Search on that, you will like that one.

I am learning not to waste my time as much?

I refer to my post

You have provided a link to what appears to be a doctoral dissertation written in 2001 by a student at New York University. It appears to be about some new user interface ideas for web browsing. Counting the cover pages, the entire document is 300 pages long. It is a pdf document, so it cannot be searched. Reading it to find out whether it contains any references to the Bush brothers would obviously take a long time.

I saw that one. I have been following this forum for a while. Speaking of Karl Rove, if I wanted to disrupt discussion on an important topic and convince most of the world that the people discussing that topic were flakes, the Rovian way to do it would be to have someone post messages that sent people down rabbit trails.

sorry nothing todo this with this BS

So now they're wasting their time?

For the resident freepers minds and brossing, you might want to read a little bit of the important parts near the end, which by the way are indexed by number, before saying anything.

Fortunately for us truth seekers, PDF's can be searched.

The referenced document contains no references to the Bush brothers. The only references to Bush are the Bush/Gore election, of which there are 5 references.

There are no references to Cybernet, just for the record.

Ctrl+F to search PDF documents.

That doesn't work with Mozilla (which I just recently started using). However, right clicking proves to be fruitful. Thanks for the motivation.

I have adobe 6... I did a search for bush... 7 hits
page 16 is TOC reference

2 on page 115 talk about the addition of the bush/gore images to a visulaization collage grid used for teh study

Page 121 talks about the results as a "branding" identification

the otehr two are in reference to a Vanever Bush on 242 and 290 whoevere they may be.

Wasting time ...brought to you by... Activisms

Hopefully no one else has to.

well, what does it say about the 2000 election?
I think this search might have something more to do with dod than the election but you never really know huh.

Perhaps this will bring that probe to further light...

http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-244134.html

http://www.carl-nelson.com/Government1996-97.htm

An off shore company, is who the report claims this was done with, to facilitate in Bay Point and other schools. Who's more offshore than the one and only Cyber...

Vannevar Bush was a famous scientist. You can look him up in the wikipedia. Sorry to get off topic, but I don't want to see Vannevar being connected with the family of George and Jeb.

The first link is dated in 2000... the second is dated for 1996....the doctoral thesis is dated 2001...

I know! I Know ! Coronel Mustard in the library with the candle stick did it

Most of the above discussion has no relevance whatsover to the topic of fair election practices. I did some posting on this thread because I've been trying to figure out what Activisms is really up to. I apologize that this has kept bumping this thread up.

Employee who worked for them, created DB on elections and previous works


http://engrm.com/personnel/gutierrez-alan/experiential.html

His full resume.

I have been active on only two threads in this sub-forum today.

Both threads were started by "jessiegirl," whose lead I trust and whose prompting I have followed several times before. Thank you, jg, btw!

Both threads, unfortunately, have devolved into muddied squabbling and considerable efforts to clear all the smoke left in the wake of the many garbled posts of "activisms."

Activisms has just made my "ignore" list, period.

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Activisms, if you are reading this, you'll have to log on using some other forum name if you want to continue to pester me. Simmer down. You don't have to step on every thread with some half-baked, knee-jerk response. Haste makes waste, eh?

I am prone to feel sympathetic rather than presume some disruptive intent on your part. I must also say, however, that the bulk of your posts are not constructive. You add more heat than light. So you're on my sh*t list. I'm sorry.

Conversely, you might just be talking over my head, your wit and powers of discernment beyond what I can fathom.

Either way, for now, I can't bother to waste any more time trying to figure your contributions out.

Hasta!

Don't legal teams do that when they drown the opposing legal team in mountains of paperwork?

What happened, if I can put it in plain english actually is, alleged employees of this so called company helped make election software

And in the process they are connected towards the top to something very ugly, as its being witnessed that all voting companies particularly ES&S, Diebold used these software devices in pretty much all their election boards. Instead of XCEL who needs that when you have home brewed expertise who have their own agenda in mind.

I told you it was Boeing and A House Rep

Act stop Acting PLS

Would Boeing and a house rep be at the top of a worldwide election scandal? Not likely. Could be. Maybe.

Guitterez still works for CyberNET

what a waste

really?