It happened at Midnight

We KNOW Rove was on the phone pressuring the media to call for Bush.. I just didn't catch how fast the switch was. In one hour Bush gained 62 EC votes and the Presidency...

(red= kerry, blue = bush)



    * 12:02 a.m. - OR called for Kerry: + 3 for Kerry
    * 12:10 a.m. - MT called for Bush: + 3 for Bush
    * 12:22 a.m. - CO called for Bush: + 9 for Bush
    * 12:27 a.m. - FL called for Bush: + 27 for Bush
    * 12:44 a.m. - ME called for Kerry: +1 for Kerry
    * 01:00 a.m. -OH called for Bush: +20 for Bush
    * 01:00 a.m. - AK called for Bush: +3 for Bush

Source: Electoral Vote Count timeline


Someone at Kos suggested that I see Media Matters for America for the times when each state was called by each

Same thing: Bush gets 62 EV in one hour (12-1am)
Colorado: 7 out of 8 called it at 12:20 (+or- 5 minutes). CBS called it one day later... Pretty much the same for Florida, Ohio, Alaska. 7 out of 8 called within 5 minutes of each other, CBS called it one day later... (ABC also called Florida 1 day later)

It just looks like a case of MAJOR "groupthink" by our so called "independant " media

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/18/04655/434

And for twenty students, across 3 paid for universities that's all it took. Oh sorry, four universities. Cal Tech of course, Bay Point, Michigan state, and Texas. 

Rove applauded their efforts as he killed the GEMS AP tabulator himself, after all he said "The youth was out in force the strongest its ever been this year, out in force for us republicans!"

Indeed they were Mr Rove indeed they were.

Cal-Tech MIT paper defending GOP is BUNK (none / 0)

  1 There's a widespread skepticism about the final vote counts in many states, especially because of the vast difference between those results & the exit polls.
    2 The single academic argument in favor of the voting-results-as-is harkens from the Cal-Tech/MIT Electronic Voting Project.
    3 The leaders of both schools' efforts in this consortium are men with strong ties to the radical-right movement.
    4 The arguments they make in this unsigned paper run counter to the core positions they've taken before on electronic voting.

Daily Kos :: Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project: Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop
I thought it odd that the November 11, 2004 Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project (VTP) report entitled 'Voting Machines and the Underestimate of the Bush Vote' would focus so narrowly on justifying the discrepancy between the exit polls and the actual vote without ever mentioning that the openness to fraud of the electronic vote tabulation that they delineated in the July 2001 95 page report from the Caltech/ MIT VTP entitled Voting: 'What Is, What Could Be'."

Freeman's paper (pro "fraud") laid out a lot of data, dissected its own assumptions and asked for peer review. The Techs' schools paper, otoh, seemed like an overloaded tray at an Olde Country Kitchen buffet: overstuffed with random, vapid this-n-that, mostly empty calories.

    It got me thinking about how incredibly sloppy the Cal-Tech MIT paper "Voting Machines and the Underestimate of the Bush Vote" was for a panel of such esteemed scientists..

    http://www.vote.caltech.edu/Election2004.html

    The funny thing here is that unlike all the other Caltech/MIT VTP reports I've seen, there are no names cited as authors for either of the two reports there. Isn't that peculiar...  the report is garbage that doesn't belong posted by a group of highschool science students much less a panel of such esteemed scientists as composes Caltech/MIT VTP group. Looks to me like no one in the group wanted their name emblazoned on a report that they know belongs on a peg in the outhouse Do you think it was actually written by or signed off on by one of them?

                    After listening to Joe Palca interview Charles Stewart from the CalTech-MIT Voting Technology Project who tries to whitewash both the VTP reports and the Vote Fraud issue...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/14/03617/399

And for twenty students, across 3 paid for universities that's all it took. Oh sorry, four universities. Cal Tech of course, Bay Point, Michigan state, and Texas. 

Rove applauded their efforts as he killed the GEMS AP tabulator himself, after all he said "The youth was out in force the strongest its ever been this year, out in force for us republicans!"

Indeed they were Mr Rove indeed they were.

BREAKING - UC Berkeley Research team raises E-Fraud Possibility

"A research team at UC Berkeley will report that irregularities
    associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded
    130,000 - 260,000 or more excess votes to President George W. Bush in
    Florida in the 2004 presidential election. The study shows an unexplained
    discrepancy between votes for President Bush in counties where electronic
    voting machines were used versus counties using traditional voting
    methods. Discrepancies this large or larger rarely arise by chance -- the
    probability is less than 0.1 percent. The research team, led by Professor
    Michael Hout, will formally disclose results of the study at the press
    conference."

The press conference is at 10 AM PST today.

ENTIRE PRESS RELEASE FOLLOWS:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041118/sfth040_1.html

UC Berkeley Study Questions Florida E-Vote Count
Thursday November 18, 1:23 am ET 
Research Team Calls for Immediate Investigation

BERKELEY, Calif., Nov. 18 PRNewswire --
    When:  Thursday, November 18, 2004, 10:00 a.m. PST

    Where:  UC Berkeley campus, Survey Research Center Conference Room --
    2538 Channing Way (intersection of Channing/Bowditch). Parking on Durant
    near Telegraph.

    What:  A research team at UC Berkeley will report that irregularities
    associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded
    130,000 - 260,000 or more excess votes to President George W. Bush in
    Florida in the 2004 presidential election. The study shows an unexplained
    discrepancy between votes for President Bush in counties where electronic
    voting machines were used versus counties using traditional voting
    methods. Discrepancies this large or larger rarely arise by chance -- the
    probability is less than 0.1 percent. The research team, led by Professor
    Michael Hout, will formally disclose results of the study at the press
    conference.

And for twenty students, across 3 paid for universities that's all it took. Oh sorry, four universities. Cal Tech of course, Bay Point, Michigan state, and Texas. 

Rove applauded their efforts as he killed the GEMS AP tabulator himself, after all he said "The youth was out in force the strongest its ever been this year, out in force for us republicans!"

Indeed they were Mr Rove indeed they were.

Michigan State?  Help me out here, where did you get this information from?  I happen to work at MSU and I happen to know people in the computer security areas.  Of course I'm not saying this isn't true because I haven't heard anything, hacking goes on all the time around here, I'm very curious though as to where I might find information about this.

Michigan State?  Help me out here, where did you get this information from?  I happen to work at MSU and I happen to know people in the computer security areas.  Of course I'm not saying this isn't true because I haven't heard anything, hacking goes on all the time around here, I'm very curious though as to where I might find information about this.

http://icpc.baylor.edu/past/icpc2003/regio...l?ContestID=566

Again, I did not point out any general colleges. A specific college of which it could easily apply is the northern campus. Not the one who knows their degree and 6 year backgrounds in PHDs, but the amateur.

I'm sorry, I don't understand.  That is a list of schools that won some sort of programming contest and MSU finished 7th.

I do actually have a reason for asking, but it's purely personal.  So far the only place I've found the quote naming 4 schools that could have been involved in hacking the vote has been your post in this thread.  Did you just pick the names at random or did you have a logic you followed to get from a programming contest to hacking the vote?

A lot of Universities receive PCs and PC equipment from corporate manufactures.  In the classroom where my class is this semester we happen to have an Apple, so they also donate to MSU.  That doesn't necessarily beholden any of the schools to the corporation, really what they are trying to do is get the students used to their goods, so they will consider the company when they are looking for a system of their own.  And it's a good tax write-off.

A lot of Universities have excellent computer science colleges, as far as I know MSU isn't anyone special in this field.  That is of course just a wild guess since I don't have any knowledge of where we might rank, but basically our specialties are veterinarian science, human medicine and agricultural research.  We started out as a Land Grant Agricultural college.  Of course that doesn't mean we don't have students here who couldn't hack into the tabulators.  From what I understand, I could hack in there from my home PC if I were so inclined.

I just don't understand, why pick MSU?  Was it location or did you read about this quote you attributed to Rove somewhere?  It just seems like a really odd choice.

"CoE Research Addresses Computer Crime and Data Retrieval

2003-05-16 by College of Engineering, University of Michigan
Hackers attack the average corporate network 12 to 15 times a year, altering or deleting records, exposing sensitive information and leaving billions of dollars worth of damage – hackers could put a $..."

I'm sorry, I don't understand.  That is a list of schools that won some sort of programming contest and MSU finished 7th.

I do actually have a reason for asking, but it's purely personal.  So far the only place I've found the quote naming 4 schools that could have been involved in hacking the vote has been your post in this thread.  Did you just pick the names at random or did you have a logic you followed to get from a programming contest to hacking the vote?

I didn't pick MSU. I cited areas as in schools in Michigan that could have been very likely involved in the effort. Please read accordingly next time.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:gBoDf...niversity&hl=en

You missed all my posts about CalTech / MIT Vote Whitewash ?

You mean about the report they posted being "unusual" for a scientific type school?  I got that part.  I know one of them was releasing information at 1-1:30pm today, did anyone catch that btw?

Was there something else you wanted me to catch?  I'm open, what am I missing?

The only reason I was so interested when I thought Michigan State was being named is our current University president, who is retiring the 1st of January, is Peter McPherson.  Dr. McPherson was tapped to go to Iraq last year to set up their banking system.  He also worked in either Reagan's or Poppy's administration.

When they were looking for a president before McPherson was hired, they had picked someone else.  It had been decided, it had been released to the papers and everyone was all excited because it would have been our first female president.  Then, two days later word comes down that there has been a change of plans and Peter McPherson was chosen instead.  It's always been kind of suspect, but of course nothing I could point to for certain, except my dislike of the Bush family and his relationship to them.

So, if I came off as overly obsessed, I apologize.  I was kind of hoping to find something I could actually point to as suspect besides his 24 hour reserved parking space and MSU's selling of research to corporations instead of releasing it back to the public that funded it.

Anyway, that's a tangent and nothing to do with the actual topic of the thread, I just felt I should explain myself because I fear I might have come off a little too strong.

Interesting...Do you have more information and evidence? I'm not calling anyone out but if that is highly suspect, where there is smoke there's usually fire.

I did find alot of transaction report summaries on this issue in the search engine...Just not its direct school name. If he was in some way connected, there absolutely needs to be a complete fillbuster on recovering the data. That's important for democracy to continue at all.

Unfortunately, I have nothing as far as when he was hired.  I'm sure I could find things on his being tapped to go to Iraq, that's public knowledge.  I did do some research on the internet about his history, but it really didn't reveal a lot.  However, I didn't dig too deep, most of my research on the internet is elementary at best.

My fear is that an assumption would be made that there is something here when there isn't.  I freely admit that I dislike the Bush family, and have disliked them long before the idiot son was crowned king.  So, I merely threw that out to let you know I wasn't just picking on you.

That he would be afraid that it was true? How so? And I can do some probing to see what adds up here....his job title is all it takes.

No, I don't care if he's afraid it might be true.  I have very little respect for the man to be honest.  He's not the worst president we could have had but he certainly hasn't done a heck of a lot for MSU either.

I just didn't want to start a snipe hunt that led to absolutely nowhere.  He may have just been a banker who felt the need to pad his retirement before actually retiring.

I do know he's highly allergic to popcorn.  We aren't allowed to pop popcorn anywhere in the building! 

I see. So is he the president of Michigan State University campus? That's the only information I require.