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Noonan
Jacob Knospler: 'I'm a Marine. I Had to Go In and Help Them.'
He lost part of his face in Fallujah. Surgery has only partially eased the pain. But he has no regrets.
By Jonathan Darman
Newsweek

March 20, 2006 issue - Cpl. Jacob Knospler, his jaw mostly blown away by a grenade, did not wake up for a month. His first clear memory is of President George W. Bush standing over his bed at Bethesda Naval Hospital. "How the hell you doin'?" asked the president. Knospler couldn't really answer, but he liked Bush. "I felt bad for him 'cuz he comes down to the hospital, sees all the wounded people there and knows he put them there," he said.

Knospler's brain was so swollen, his face so disfigured, that his mother later told him that she had been able to identify him only by the tattoos on his arm. A 175-pounder when he arrived in Iraq, he had ballooned to 239 pounds from the water pumped into him. But then a case of meningitis sent his weight plummeting down to 125 pounds. "A good-looking girl weighs 125 pounds," said Knospler, who stands six feet tall. "Not me." Sent home to East Stroudsburg, Pa., in January 2005, he has had to return every month to Bethesda. There was little that doctors could do for his partially blind right eye, but they put a plate in his skull and tried to rebuild his face. In November 2004, surgeons extracted flesh from his shoulder to close a large open wound in his cheek. But thick, ropelike knots disfigured him and made it difficult to talk. Sometimes, painful surgery seemed to make little or no difference. Slowly, he has learned to lower his expectations. He hates the hospital and appreciates only the doctors, he says bitterly, "who are honest with me."

Knospler thinks his personality has changed. He can be testy with his wife, who has the burden of raising an infant daughter as well as caring for him. "I think the part of my brain they removed was the part with my inhibitions," he says. "If I think something, I just say it. Sometimes my wife will say to me, 'You're being an a--hole,' and I'll think, 'Huh? Am I being an a--hole?' "

As a boy dreaming of becoming a warrior, Knospler had hunted deer with his father. He has begun hunting in the Pennsylvania woods again, though he has changed shooting arms because of his blind eye. His shooting skill, he says, has come back more easily than he might have thought. He feels a jumble of emotions about his wound, including bitterness, though never regret. "I'm a Marine," he says. "Marines were going down and I had to go in and help them."

© 2006 MSNBC.com

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11787398/site/newsweek/
grammydidi
When I compare this young man's life-long sacrifice with Bush's concern the past couple of days of how to introduce his new secretary and office problem-solver, I get so angry I could scream.

Geeezzzzzzz, I hate that person who's pretending to be a leader of our country.


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Marine
It's a shame that war kills and disfigures the young. I wish it didn't have to be that way, God should have made it where us old farts were better suited for doing that kind of stuff.
amy
QUOTE(Marine @ Mar 29 2006, 10:48 PM)
It's a shame that war kills and disfigures the young.  I wish it didn't have to be that way, God should have made it where us old farts were better suited for doing that kind of stuff.
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That's a very kind thought, Marine...I know you would have taken one of the young men's place if you could have....East Stroudsburg, where this young man is from, is about 45 minutes from my home..sad indeed....but, at least he's alive....
winston smith
QUOTE(Marine @ Mar 29 2006, 07:48 PM)
It's a shame that war kills and disfigures the young.  I wish it didn't have to be that way, God should have made it where us old farts were better suited for doing that kind of stuff.
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From All Quiet on the Western Front:

The scene is immediately after the young soldiers from the German army have finished a huge meal- their first in days. They have just seen more than half of their fellow soldiers die in a bloody battle. All are sitting around a tree, musing about their plight as warriors.
    Albert: What I would like to know is whether there would have been a war if the Kaiser had said NO?

    Paul: I'm sure there would. He was against it from the start.

    Albert: Well, if not him alone, then perhaps if twenty or thirty in the world had said NO?

    Paul: That's probable, but they damn well said YES.

    Kropp: It's crazy when you think about it. Here we are, to protect the Fatherland, and the French are over there to protect their Fatherland. Now tell me, who is right?

    Paul: Perhaps both.

    Albert: Yes, well now. [Pause, contemplating this thought] but all of our papers, ministers and teachers tell us that we are the only ones on the right side of things- and I hope they're correct. But the French ministers, newspapers, and professors are telling the French that they are on the right side. What is that all about?

    Paul: That I don't know, but whichever way it is, there's war all the same and every month more countries join in.

    [Tjaden returns from his task and immediately joins in the conversation, as if he'd been participating all along]

    Albert: Well, mostly, it's one country offending another.

    Tjaden: A country? I don't get it. Are you suggesting that a mountain in Germany offends a mountain in France? A wheat field offends a river or a forest?

    Kropp: [stands up, exasperated] Are you really that stupid, Tjaden? Or are you just pulling our leg? It's one PEOPLE offending another...

    Tjaden: [laughs] ... then I don't have any business here at all; I'm certainly not offended...

    Albert: [a tongue in cheek comment] ... it certainly doesn't apply to tramps like you...

    [The entire troop guffaws]

    Tjaden: ... then I can go home right away...

    [Again, the entire troop laughs]

    Muller: Huh! He means the people as a whole- the State...

    Tjaden: ... State, State, [he snaps his fingers contemptuously] gendarmes, police, taxes- That's your State- if that's what you're talking about, then no thank you!

    Kat: Well finally Tjaden, you've said something! State and home country- there's a big difference.

    Kropp: But they go together. Without a State there would be no home country.

    Paul: That's true Kropp, but just think. All of us here are simple folk. And in France, too, they are just clerks, shopkeepers,and laborers. So why would a French blacksmith or a French cobbler want to attack us? No, here's what I think- it's the rulers. I'd never seen a Frenchman before I came here, and I bet these Frenchmen had never seen a German before they got here either. They weren't asked to be here any more than we were.

    Tjaden: Then what is this war for exactly?

    Kat: [shrugs his shoulders] Well, this war must be good for someone?

    Tjaden: Well, I'm certainly not one of them!

    Paul: Nor me, nor anyone else here.

    Tjaden: [scratches his chin] So who are they then? Certainly this war is not of any use to the Kaiser- he has everything he could possibly want already.

    Kropp: [angry] Well there are people back there, behind the lines, who are profiting by the war, and that's for certain!

    Albert: [looks up, as if seeing his thoughts in the clouds] I think it's more like a fever. No one in particular really wants it. Suddenly, all at once, there it is! We didn't want the war, and the other side says the same, but here we are with half the world in it...

    Muller: Well, it's just as good that it's here instead of Germany. Just look at all the craters and blasted ground.

    Tjaden: But no war at all would be better still.
Perhaps the greatest anti-war book ever written. Required reading for all of my seniors- and also one of my alltime favorites.
Noonan
Also banned in many European countries (Germany until the 70s) because of the theme & "realistic" portrayal of war. We watch the 1930s version in my classes every year.
Noonan
And the scene WS quoted concludes with the guys concluding that in place of wars, the rulers of the 'offended' countries should hold a boxing (?) match, where they can sell tickets. The winner of the match wins the war.
winston smith
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 30 2006, 10:02 AM)
Also banned in many European countries (Germany until the 70s) because of the theme & "realistic" portrayal of war. We watch the 1930s version in my classes every year.
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One of the best projects I ever did for my Humanities (2 hour block combined English and History) was with All Quiet. We read the book, then saw that chapter represented in the Lewis Milestone (1930) version of the movie. When we were done with the book we watched the whole movie from beginning to end.

First, the students noticed that the sequencing in the movie was different than in the book. Then they noticed there were several scenes in the book that weren't in the movie.

Their final project was to write a play about one of those missing scenes, make the scenery, and act it out as a drama. We did it in March, and finished on the Friday before Academy Awards ©. So we had our own Academy Award© ceremony- along with a cast party. I still get chills thinking about some of the work they did.

I also read from my grandfather's diary; he'd kept it while he was in the trenches.

For giving them an idea of what the smells might have been like, I burned some doghair to smell like burned bodies, and mixed some bleach and ammonia- creates a weak solution of phosgene. Certainly makes the point.

Those kids knew about WWI by the time they were done.
Marine
That's all wishful thinking.

Wars have been going on since pre-history guys.

One tribe hunting or foraging in what another tribe considers their domain. One nationality wishing to enrich it's self at another nationalities expense. One culture wishing to impose it's will upon another.

At the start of every war the public is enthusiatic to get into and win it.

He doesn't look the sort of fellow who precipatate the conflagaration which engulfed Europe, does he?

And the Kaiser just thought he was defending his nations way of life.

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Kaiser Wilhelm's Account of the Events of July 1914

Reproduced from the English translation of his memoirs.

After the arrival of the news of the assassination of my friend, the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, I gave up going to Kiel for the regatta week and went back home, since I intended to go to Vienna for his funeral.  But I was asked from there to give up this plan.  Later I heard that one of the reasons for this was consideration for my personal safety; to this I naturally would have paid no attention.

Greatly worried on account of the turn which matters might now take, I decided to give up my intended journey to Norway and remain at home.  The Imperial Chancellor and the Foreign Office held a view contrary to mine and wished me to undertake the journey, as they considered that it would have a quieting effect on all Europe.

For a long time I argued against going away from my country at a time when the future was so unsettled, but Imperial Chancellor von Bethmann told me, in short and concise terms, that if I were now to give up my travel plans, which were already widely known, this would make the situation appear more serious than it had been up to that moment and possibly lead to the outbreak of war, for which I might be held responsible; that the whole world was merely waiting to be put out of suspense by the news that I, in spite of the situation had quietly gone on my trip.

Thereupon I consulted the Chief of the General Staff, and, when he also proved to be calm and unworried regarding the state of affairs and himself asked for a summer leave of absence to go to Carlsbad, I decided, though with a heavy heart, upon my departure.

The much-discussed so-called Potsdam Crown Council of July 5th in reality never took place.  It is an invention of malevolent persons.  Naturally, before my departure, I received, as was my custom, some of the Ministers individually, in order to hear from them reports concerning their departments.  Neither was there any council of Ministers and there was no talk about war preparations at a single one of the conferences.

My fleet was cruising in the Norwegian fjords, as usual, while I was on my summer vacation trip.  During my stay at Balholm l received only meagre news from the Foreign Office and was obliged to rely principally on the Norwegian newspapers, from which I got the impression that the situation was growing worse.  I telegraphed repeatedly to the Chancellor and the Foreign Office that I considered it advisable to return home, but was asked each time not to interrupt my journey.

When I learned that the English fleet had not dispersed after the review at Spithead, but had remained concentrated, I telegraphed again to Berlin that I considered my return necessary.  My opinion was not shared there.

But when, after that, I learned from the Norwegian newspapers - not from Berlin - about the Austrian ultimatum to Serbia, and, immediately thereafter, about the Serbian note to Austria, I started without further ado upon my return journey and commanded the fleet to repair to Wilhelmshaven.

Upon my departure I learned from a Norwegian source that it was said that a part of the English fleet had left secretly for Norway in order to capture me (though peace still reigned!).  It is significant that Sir Edward Goschen, the English Ambassador, was informed on July 26th at the Foreign Office that my return journey, undertaken on my own initiative, was to be regretted, since agitating rumours might be caused by it.

Upon my arrival at Potsdam I found the Chancellor and the Foreign Office in conflict with the Chief of the General Staff, since General von Moltke was of the opinion that war was sure to break out, whereas the other two stuck firmly to their view that things would not get to such a bad pass, that there would be some way of avoiding war, provided I did not order mobilization.

This dispute kept up steadily.  Not until General von Moltke announced that the Russians had set fire to their frontier posts, torn up the frontier railway tracks, and posted red mobilization notices did a light break upon the diplomats in the Wilhelmstrasse and bring about their own collapse and that of their powers of resistance.  They had not wished to believe in the war.

This shows plainly how little we had expected - much less prepared for - war in July, 1914.  When, in the spring of 1914, Czar Nicholas II was questioned by his Court Marshal as to his spring and summer plans, he replied: "He resterai chez moi cette année parce que nous aurons la guerre" ("I shall stay at home this year because we shall have war").  (This fact, it is said, was reported to Imperial Chancellor von Bethmann; I heard nothing about it then and learned about it for the first time in November, 1918.)

This was the same Czar who gave me, on two separate occasions - at Björkö and Baltisch-Port - entirely without being pressed by me and in a way that surprised me, his word of honour as a sovereign, to which he added weight by a clasp of the hand and an embrace, that he would never draw his sword against the German Emperor - least of all as an ally of England - in case a war should break out in Europe, owing to his gratitude to the German Emperor for his attitude in the Russo-Japanese War, in which England alone had involved Russia, adding that he hated England, since she had done him and Russia a great wrong by inciting Japan against them.

At the very time that the Czar was announcing his summer war program I was busy at Corfu excavating antiquities; then I went to Wiesbaden, and, finally, to Norway.  A monarch who wishes war and prepares it in such a way that he can suddenly fall upon his neighbours - a task requiring long secret mobilization preparations and concentration of troops - does not spend months outside his own country and does not allow his Chief of the General Staff to go to Carlsbad on leave of absence.  My enemies, in the meantime, planned their preparations for an attack. 

Our entire diplomatic machine failed.  The menace of war was not seen because the Foreign Office was so hypnotized with its idea of "surtout pas d'histoires" ("above all, no stories"), its belief in peace at any cost, that it had completely eliminated war as a possible instrument of Entente statesmanship from its calculations, and, therefore, did not rightly estimate the importance of the signs of war. 

But did that mean anything to the ordinary Soldiers? Maybe at first, but after they saw their friends and colleagues filling the butchers bill it changed.
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The Christmas truce


Stories tell of the British and German soldiers playing football together in No Man's Land on Christmas day - but is this just a legend? Historian Malcolm Brown separates fact from fantasy.
 
The Christmas truce of 1914 really happened. It is as much a part of the historical texture of World War I as the gas clouds of Ypres or the Battle of the Somme or the Armistice of 1918. Yet it has often been dismissed as though it were merely a myth. Or, assuming anything of the kind occurred, it has been seen as a minor incident, blown up out of all proportion, natural fodder for sentimentalists and pacifists of later generations.

But the truce did take place, and on some far greater scale than has been generally realised. Enemy really did meet enemy between the trenches. There was for a time, genuine peace in No Man's Land. Though Germans and British were the main participants, French and Belgians took part as well. Most of those involved agreed it was a remarkable way to spend Christmas. "Just you think," wrote one British soldier, "that while you were eating your turkey, etc, I was out talking and shaking hands with the very men I had been trying to kill a few hours before! It was astounding!"

"It was a day of peace in war," commented a German participant, "It is only a pity that it was not decisive peace."

So the Christmas Truce is no legend. It is not surprising, however, given the standard popular perception of World War I, that this supreme instance of "All Quiet on the Western Front" has come to have something of a legendary quality. People who would normally dismiss that far off conflict of their grandfathers in the century's teens as merely incomprehensible, find reassurance, even a kind of hope, in the Christmas truce.

This was not, however, a unique occurrence in the history of war. Though it surprised people at the time - and continues to do so today - it was a resurgence of a long established tradition.

Informal truces and small armistices have often taken place during prolonged periods of fighting and the military history of the last two centuries, in particular, abounds with incidents of friendship between enemies.

In the Peninsula War British and French Troops at times visited each others lines, drew water at the same wells and even sat around the same campfire sharing their rations and playing cards.

In the Crimean War British, French and Russians at quiet times also gathered around the same fire, smoking and drinking. In the American Civil War Yankees and Rebels traded tobacco, coffee and newspapers, fished peacefully on opposite sides of the same stream and even collected wild blackberries together. Similar stories are told of the Boer War, in which on one occasion, during a conference of commanders, the rank and file of both sides engaged in a friendly game of football.

Later wars too have their small crop of such stories. It is rare for a conflict at close quarters to continue very long without some generous gestures between enemies or an upsurge in the 'live and let live' spirit. So the Christmas truce of 1914 does not stand alone; on the other hand it is undoubtedly the greatest example of its kind.

There are certain misapprehensions regarding the Christmas truce. One widely held assumption is that only ordinary soldiers took part in it; that it was, as it were, essentially a protest of cannon-fodder, Private Tommy and Musketier Fritz throwing aside the assumptions of conventional nationalism and thumbing their noses at those in authority over them.

In fact, in many cases, NCOs and officers joined in with equal readiness, while others truces were initiated and the terms of armistice agreed at 'parleys' of officers between the trenches.

There is also some evidence that while some generals angrily opposed the truce, others tolerated it and indeed saw some advantage in allowing events to take their own course while never for a moment doubting that eventually the war would resume in full earnest.

One other misapprehension about the truce calls for rebuttal. There has grown up a belief, even among aficionados of World War I, that the Christmas truce was considered to be so disgraceful and event, one so against the prevailing mood of the time, that all knowledge of it was withheld from the public at home until the war was over.

In fact, the truce was fully publicised from the moment news of it reached home. Throughout January 1915 numerous local and national newspapers in Britain printed letter after letter from soldiers who took part; in addition they ran eye-catching headlines ("Extraordinary Unofficial Armistice", "British, Indians and Germans shake hands"), and even printed photographs of the Britons and Germans in No Man's Land. Germany also gave the event press publicity, though on a smaller scale and for a shorter period of time.

Publishing a year later, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in his history of 1914 called the Christmas truce "an amazing spectacle" and in a memorable description, saluted it as "one human episode amid all the atrocities which have stained the memory of the war".

The phrase sums up the attraction of the truce: it is the human dimension which means that this relatively obscure event in the fifth month of a 52-month war is still remembered and will continue to catch the imagination.

In a century in which our conception of war has changed fundamentally, from the cavalry charge and the flash of sabres to the Exocet, the cruise missile and the Trident submarine, the fact that in 1914 some thousands of the fighting men of the belligerent nations met and shook hands between their trenches strikes a powerful and appealing note. It is perhaps the best and most heartening Christmas story of modern times.


Given the choice, no man wants to kill another, unless they are deranged.
winston smith
QUOTE(Marine @ Mar 30 2006, 11:40 AM)
That's all wishful thinking.

I know. In the whole of recorded history- roughly 10,000 years- there has only been about 27 years total in which the whole known world was at peace. A month here, a few days or weeks there. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
QUOTE(Marine @ Mar 30 2006, 11:40 AM)
Given the choice, no man wants to kill another, unless they are deranged.
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Quite a statement, Marine, when one considers the new DSM's emerging this week... whistling.gif

(and you'll get no argument from me...) innocent.gif
Noonan
Nothing wrong with having high standards to reach for, even though you know you'll probably never reach them.

ANIMAL

Causes of WW1

Alliances
Nationalism
Imperialism
Militarism
Alliances
Leadership (or lack thereof) within nations & internationally
Marine
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 30 2006, 02:03 PM)
Nothing wrong with having high standards to reach for, even though you know you'll probably never reach them.

ANIMAL

Causes of WW1

Alliances
Nationalism
Imperialism
Militarism
Alliances
Leadership (or lack thereof) within nations & internationally
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Well, that's what drug some of the participants in, some of them renigged on alliances and ended up fighting on the other side.

What caused WW1 is the Austrians got fed up with Serbia trying to fulfil the dream of "Greater Serbia" and the Russian myoptic view that if they mobilized their armed forces Austria and Germany would do nothing about it.

The Czar felt if he did not stand as the defender of the Slav in the Balkans revolution would put an end to the Romanov dynasty and Czardom.

The Germans believed, probably rightly so, that if Russia mobilized France would take the opportunity to place their dagger into Germany's back. It's been blamed on the secret mutual defense pact between Czarist Russia and Republican France but had the alliance not existed France wanted revenge for what happened to France at the hands of the Prussians in 1870; alliance or not France would have taken the opportunity for revenge.

Germany knew if war came France would take the opportunity to attack Germany so Germany turned on France in pre-emption of a French attack. Diplomatic records show Germany asked France for assurance if Russia attacked Germany France would remain neutral, France refused to provide any assurance that it would not attack.

And Germany's military plan for at least the preceding 15 years anticipated if a conflict occurred with Russia France would attack. France must be dealt with first and dealt with quickly before the Russian Goliath had the opportunity to overwhelm East Prussia. If Russia mobilized Germany felt it had to attack France before Russia could come to strength.

If you want to read about an absolutely brilliantly executed military operation read about Tanninburg and the First Battle Of the Masaurian Lakes in 1914. Hindenburg and Luedendorf whipped two superior Russian Army's in quick sucession in less than 5 days in August of 1914. Absolutely brilliant tactical deployment and manauvering, it makes Desert Storm look like a spelling bee.

Britain would not have entered WW1 had the Germans not massively violated Belgians territory.

It's not so simple an anser Noonan.
Noonan
QUOTE(Marine @ Mar 30 2006, 02:37 PM)
It's not so simple an anser Noonan.
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No, it's not as simple as a mnemonic device, but it's something students can remember as an aid to recall the information you provided - you should see my notes for this time period and the readings I hand out.
Marine
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 30 2006, 03:46 PM)
No, it's not as simple as a mnemonic device, but it's something students can remember as an aid to recall the information you provided - you should see my notes for this time period and the readings I hand out.
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I have studied a great deal about the events leading to and following WW1. That event, I believe, did more to change the world than any event in the history of mankind. Many of the woes we experience today can be attributed to some long dead diplomat and the agreements reached to preserve his empire.

The Middle East for example, WW1 shaped virtually every country in the region, the mandates the imperialist powers agreed to determining who should get what in the region long ago poisoned the mind of the indigenous people of the Middle East as to the West's motives.

Iraq will never become an American Oil company's private playground, the people of the region have been there, done that. They would never acquiese to that happening again. I think the republicans are smart enough to know if they try to return Iraq to that type of environment there will be hell to pay. When we get Iraq on it's feet and we leave I sure hope it changes some minds about what the USA's motives are in the region.

We tried imperialism and it didn't taste so good in an American mouth. Hopefully the people from both parties read and remember history.
Noonan
Sorry, I wasn't implying you needed something to learn, merely that I share the same beliefs you do. Just expressed myself poorly.
Marine
QUOTE(Noonan @ Mar 30 2006, 08:55 PM)
Sorry, I wasn't implying you needed something to learn, merely that I share the same beliefs you do. Just expressed myself poorly.
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No reason to be sorry Noonan, I didn't take it that way. I just enjoy late 19th, early 20th century diplomacy and politics.

You know, one of the reasons I endorsed what Bill Clinton did in the Balkans and what I think Bush is trying to do in the Middle East is because I think them both are trying to unscrew up the mess old Europe and it's underhanded backstabbing diplomacy created.

America has had a good history of trying to do what's right when the big picture is viewed.
winston smith
QUOTE(Marine @ Mar 30 2006, 07:09 PM)
... one of the reasons I endorsed what Bill Clinton did in the Balkans and what I think Bush is trying to do in the Middle East is because I think them both are trying to unscrew up the mess old Europe and it's underhanded backstabbing diplomacy created...
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Great minds do think alike, but in so thinking, they can arrive at very different conclusions. I too believe WWI was a watershed in world history, on the same level as Thermopyle or Hastings.

Clinton, yes, I could attribute an altruistic vision for his actions; his nature is compassionate. Bush has neither the compassion, intelligence nor the altruism to think that much about it. He doesn't care, period.

Now Heart will love this: I believe a flawed and highly distorted sense of altruism is at the heart of PNAC and the neoconservative desires in Iraq and its environs. They screwed it up for all the right reasons: we wanted the rest of the world to join us upon our City on a Hill.

How that got translated into the invasion of Iraq is a bastardization and demonization of that dream, and George W. Bush had everything to do with that.
Noonan
I have no doubt that you're reasoning is behind at least some of the rationale for the decisions being made, and another reason the Bushies play so hard to the far Right.
Marine
Well Noonan, I heard the same things and worst being said about Bill Clinton when he was cleaning out the rat holes in the Balkans.

The only thing which has changed is the name of the party tagged to the detractor.

A good amount of the problems in the world come about from politicians bowing to pressure from their opposition and either not finishing a job or leaving it in a worst mess than it was when they started. Bill Clinton had the intestinal fortitude to see it through and was reviled for it. Notice anything new about how the opposition party handles it with Bush?
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