Shows that basically, all of the lockdown efforts were pre-planned and strategized in some meeting with the board members, blackwell and officials.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...355/1056/news01



Reform people are calling for a simple re-vote for all the disenfranchised, allow citizens in Ohio etc. to make their vote count for real this time, forget the matters of what outcome it is.

Probably because Activisms needs to overgeneralize analysis and conclusions less often and to provide very specific links that demonstrate posted analysis and conclusions more often.

Until Activisms does this, Activism's posts are easy targets

Actually the article cites the same thing as does the radio report. We aren't in a chemistry test, not every name has to be crossed with a T here by the way.

Actually, I am very interested in each subject in this forum, but I am disheartened by overgeneralized conclusions and a lack of links and quotes with links to actual media information that supports claims being made.

If Activisms would reign in his hard work, or work with another forum member to get his posts to be more full of integrity on their merits, then I would be the happiest member of this forum.

Activisms actually raises a lot of very compelling points, but he does a diservice to the hard work by putting us the readers in a position of just blindly assuming things that are not quite either verifiable in posts or links in those posts without incurring a complete fishing expedition.

To be sure, All of Activisms hard work is appreciated, but Actrivism's posts are sometimes overwhelming in that they are all-encompassing instead of specific, digestible, and completely backed by links that do not require the reader to engage them as a full time occupation in order to fish out the relationship between the original link and the post they are contained in.

Is this the false evidence you're referring to:

Evidence of electronic voting bias
Note: As with all statistics, it is very important to consider other causes of apparent anomalies, and to provide verifiable and neutral source data that can be checked in a neutral way by third parties. All the information and sources below appear prima facie to be statistically reasonable in terms of both analysis and assumptions, and to be based upon verifiable public data.
An analysis of Florida counties with 80,000 - 500,000 registered voters concluded with a few caveats of a usual kind
that machine type E-Touch vs Op-Scan
was a "significant predictor" of vote at the p < 0.001 level less than one chance in a thousand of this degree of anomaly happening by chance
http://ustogether.org/election04/Liddle_Analysis.html
http://ustogether.org/election04/Liddle_Analysis2.html
http://ustogether.org/election04/Liddle_Analysis3.html
Source data and calculations [52] http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
. Contrarily, the New York Times ran a story stating that "...three political scientists, from Cornell, Harvard and Stanford... [pointed out] many of those Democratic counties in Florida have a long tradition of voting Republican in presidential elections". [53] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/12/politics...artner=homepage
All these analyses show Bush with a higher percentage of the vote in areas using optical scan ballots as opposed to touch screen machines
. This study was later used as a basis to test the "Dixiecrat / Op-Scan" hypothesis in smaller counties: [54] http://ustogether.org/election04/mitteldorf/Liddle.htm


An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus according election officials. [55] http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/...ng.problems.ap/
Franklin county was the only Ohio county to use this particular electronic voting system. [56] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...voting_problems

One thread on the "democraticunderground" website discusses the results in Gahanna, Franklin Co. Ohio and notes that:
Gahanna has some 20,000 people elegible to vote and the reported turnout was around 70%. On a casual reckoning approximately 14,000 people voted, and yet nearly 21,000 votes were reported by voting machines.
The 3,893 extra individuals who are said to have queued to vote for Bush, and were therefore presumably Republican, did not appear to vote on any other matter bar the Presidency. These other matters included the Senate race, County Commissioner, several County and State officials, and the infamous Gay Unions vote, issues of great importance in the election.

Source: [57] http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ddress=201x1293
, source data from govt website pdf http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/04Un...eral%202004.pdf

An analysis reported in the New Zealand press looks at the differences between exit polls and reported voting in more detail. It identifies that in a selection of non-swing states, the exit polls and final results match. However in a large proportion of what were identified before the election as key swing states Wisconsin, Pennysylvania, Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire, etc.
, the exit polls and final votes do not match.
The error was in each case a statistically anomalous and electorally critical 4 - 15% swing change between exit polls and electronic voting
and furthermore the anomalies were not random. In each of the above swing states, this variation between what voters said they voted and what the machines reported was in favour of Mr. Bush. Source [58] http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm
, article discussing here http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175
, graphs here http://img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll.gif
.
An article http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html
comments that:
Exit polls into the evening of Nov. 2 actually showed Kerry rolling to a clear victory nationally and carrying most of the battleground states, including Florida and Ohio, whose totals would have ensured Kerry's victory in the Electoral College.
The exit polls covered both the Presidential and Senate races. The votes reported by voting machines for the Senate races were in line with the exit polls for the Senate race, however the votes reported by the same voting machines for the Presidency often significant disagreed with the exit polls for the Presidency.
It also comments that "Democratic suspicions also were raised by Republican resistance to implementing any meaningful backup system for checking the results on Diebold and other electronic-voting machines."
There were additional reports of significantly large data irregularities with the "optical scan" type voting machines in at least Florida. In one county using optical scan voting machines for example, election records showed 77% registered democrats but Bush received 77% of the vote.
Wired News http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,656...tory_page_next1
has examined this issue and reports that, "...according to academics, the internet pundits are reading the data out of context. Demographic figures and vote trends over several years show the numbers to be consistent with previous elections. According to University of California at Berkeley political scientist Henry Brady, the Republican vote share has been going up in Florida's rural optical-scan counties for years."
Wired further reports that, "[t]hree professors of government also examined the numbers after being pressured by many people, including lawyers for the Democratic Party, and concluded the same thing."

November 2004
Nov. 3:

Votes Lost in Cyberspace - DeShaunta Bullock, WCNT [120] http://www.wnct.com/servlet/Satellite?page...778939157&path=

37 votes may be lost in Palm Beach glitch - USA Today [121] http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/new...al/10083861.htm

E-voting irregularities raise eyebrows, blood pressure [122] http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpoli...e-trouble_x.htm


Nov. 4:

Infernalpress.com. Alleges that Republicans suppressed votes and voting machine companies committed fraud and tampered with election results, "How George W. Bush Won the 2004 Presidential Election" [123] http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html


Nov. 6:

Gwin, Harold. "Democrats' leader decries voting glitches." The Vindicator OH
. November 6, 2004. [124] http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/288078640794824.php

Glitch Found in Ohio Counting [125] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/politics...ign/06ohio.html


Nov. 5:

CNN. Glitch gave Bush extra votes in Ohio [126] http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/...ng.problems.ap/

Rutenberg, Jim. "Report Says Problems Led to Skewed Surveying Data." New York Times. [127] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics...ign/05poll.html
- Outlines alleged problems with the early exit poll data.
Book, Sue. "Election problems due to a software glitch." Sun Journal NC
. [128] http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm...7&Section=Local

Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes [129] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...voting_problems

Palm Beach Post article about their situation http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/cont...WVOTE_1105.html

Rutenberg, Jim. "Report Says Problems Led to Skewed Surveying Data" The New York Times [130] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics...ner=rssuserland

Solvig, Erica. "Warren's vote tally walled off." The Enquirer OH
. [131] http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/0...rrenvote05.html

22 voting machines have less-than-intact seals New York Newsday [132] http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/wire/n...p-regional-wire

Recount officials in Volusia County, FL wary of fraud - [133] http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJour...LOPOL110504.htm

Johnson, Mark. Winner so far: Confusion; agriculture, education races change as counties fix vote-tally errors. The Charlotte Observer. [134] http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/charlotte/n...04/10104576.htm


Nov. 7:

Fitrakis, Bob. "None dare call it voter suppression and fraud." The Free Press OH
. [135] http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983

Voting Problems in Ohio Set Off an Alarm [136] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/politics...gn/07elect.html


Nov. 8:

Equipment glitch delays Escambia County vote tally [137] http://www.brewtonstandard.com/articles/20...news/news04.txt


Nov. 9:

Officials, printers examine flaws that slowed vote count [138] http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election...3315282,00.html

Voter fraud uncovered in New Mexico [139] http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...10659-3448r.htm

Carteret ballots are gone forever Daily News [140] http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Te...68&Section=News


Nov. 10:

Wired. Florida E-Vote Fraud? Unlikely. [141] http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65665,00.html

Salon.com. Was the election stolen? The system is clearly broken. But there is no evidence that Bush won because of voter fraud. [142] http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/11/...g/index_np.html

Fitrakis, Bob. "And so the sorting and discarding of Kerry votes begins." The Free Press OH
. [143] http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

Bronis, Jason. "Ballot counting turns into legal fiasco." News 14 Charlotte. [144] http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/loc...D=78411&SecID=3

Cincinatti Enquirer. Warren Co. defends lockdown decision, FBI denies warning officials of any special threat [145] http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/1...rrenvote10.html

Cuyahoga board deflates vote suspicions Plain Dealer Reporter [146] http://www.cleveland.com/election/plaindea...08988056520.xml


Nov. 11:

If it's too bad to be true, it may not be voter fraud. [147] http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...MNG2P9PJ5M1.DTL
- "Most statistical enigmas in recent election have logical explanations, despite Web rants"
AP. Democratic lawyers on "fact finding" mission in Ohio. http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/politic...rylist=politics]

Nov. 12:

New York Times. "Vote Fraud Theories, Spread by Blogs, Are Quickly Buried" [148] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/12/politics...l?oref=login&th

Worst Voter Error Is Apathy Toward Irregularities "Washington Post"[149] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Nov11.html

Major bugs found in Diebold vote systems UPI
[150] http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...12037-7263r.htm

Amid Charges of Vote Suppression, Activists Look for Larger Fraud [151] http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1223

American Coup: Mid-Term Election Polls vs Actuals [152] http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0211/S00078.htm

Election Exposes Serious Flaws In North Carolina WRAL [153] http://www.wral.com/politics/3915799/detail.html

Rumors of irregularities fuel debate on election [154] http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/11/news/elect.html


Nov. 13:

Watchdogs demand vote accountability [155] http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/199555_harris13.html

State election officials approve Nader recount [156] http://www4.fosters.com/november_2004/11.1.../ap_nh1113b.asp

Democrat wins council seat after election error corrected [157] http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazett...on/10173663.htm

“Inquiry urged after 30 voters tried to cast ballot twice” [158] http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/bro...la-news-broward

33,000 ballots lost in shuffle - Salt Lake Tribune, OH [159] http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2453243


Nov. 14:

About Those Election Results "The New York Times" [160] http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/14/opinion/...html?oref=login

Ohio voters tell of Election Day troubles at hearing [161] http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/...28444286470.xml


Nov. 15:

Ohio recount all but certain [162] http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41464

Dirty work at Philly polls [163] http://www.opednews.com/burns_111504_philly_polls.htm

MIT political scientist Charles Stewart answers questions about analysis of voting irregularities. NPR audio
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4170777


Nov. 16:

Document reveals Columbus, Ohio voters waited hours as election officials held back machines [164] http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/990

Pinellas ballot box sat ignored in office [165] http://stpetetimes.com/2004/11/16/Tampabay...lot_box_s.shtml

Governor's Race Takes 2 Twists [166] http://www.komotv.com/stories/34000.htm

Election Day gremlins: 16,000 judges but who's counting? [167] http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,3...2529301,00.html

Questioning Ohio: No controversy this time? Think again. [168] http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_f...ts/04256171.asp

N.C. judge refuses to halt recounts [169] http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/10195516.htm?1c

Ohio To Go Through Statewide Vote Recount After All [170] http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/11/16/recount.html


Nov. 17:

A Florida Style Nightmare - North Carolina Citizens Demand Verified Voting Measures [171] http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/11/emw178812.htm

Blackwell, J. Kenneth How Ohio pulled it off [172] http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20041116-085742-1497r.htm

Shuster, David. "...The congressman demanding a Government Accountability Office investigation is not nuts" MSNBC.com [173] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086

Ohio Finds Possible Double Votes, Counts [174] http://www.political-news.org/breaking/261...tes-counts.html

New NC statewide Attorney General election possible [175] http://newsobserver.com/news/story/1836452p-8153803c.html

Common Cause Joins Coalition Supporting Recount in Ohio [176] http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1117-08.htm

Nov. 18:

Kucinich Supports Green Party Demand for Ohio Recount [177] http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1118-02.htm

Hearings on Ohio voting put 2004 election in doubt [178] http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=m...order=0&thold=0

On Election 2004: Voting 'glitches' pose threat to democracy [179] http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/04/s/sstory.pl?fn-slettbc1

Ohio Democratic Party seeks uniform ballot count [180] http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news...10209993.htm?1c

Lumberton, NC - Elections Board defies judge, sets new election [181] http://www.robesonian.com/articles/2004/11...ews/story01.txt

CA - Panel Picked to Probe Alleged Voter Fraud [182] http://www.the-signal.com/News/ViewStory.asp?storyID=5775

ReDefeatBush Gathers Democracy Movement at LaFayette Park Friday at Noon in the BeAmerica.org Movement [183] http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=39911

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Unsorted
Palast, Greg -
"Voters claim abuse of electoral rolls" [184] http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1340170,00.html

Includes:
"Florida [...] Students say they were conned into registering twice"
"In Colorado [...] Democrats are complaining about an attempt to remove up to 6,000 convicted felons from the electoral roll, at the behest of the state's Republican secretary of state, Donetta Davidson, despite a US federal law that prohibits eliminating a voter's rights within 90 days of an election to give time for the voter to protest."
"Kerry Won" [185] http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php

"Countinghouse Blues: Too many votes." WOWT KN
News. [186] http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

WCNC.[187] http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/stories/...s.264d17aa.html

Final Results Delayed in Rockland County, NY [188] http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/111...0votecount.html

did you all see this?

By Alan Waldman
Orlando Weekly
Published 11/18/04

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I agree, which is why I'm trying to help.

If someone posts something for discussion, its rude to tell them they are ____________ which is what you do. No one needs you to reply to every single post on this board and say "You cant prove that!" and "Thats not evidence!".

Why don't you just chair the RNC? You have no objectivity at all and you are obviously ready and willing to be the Devil's Advocate. Wake up and stop doing whatever drug that is making you to have these delusional thoughts. Instead, smell the foul odor eminating from Diebold and the snoutmongers in charge. We all deserve to know the truth and this time no partisans are going to stand in the way. Period.

"The Law is only as good as those who enforce it."

OK, look at it this way. We are all discussing potential election fraud. We all want to find the truth. What this discussion is akin to is brainstorming.

Now, anyone who has ever participated in a real brainstorming session knows that ideas first just get shot out there. Then the real discussion begins. Ideas get picked apart and people playing *Devil's advocate* are an absolute necessity.

If we cannot see the potential flaws in our theories, then, when those theories are presented to, say, the mainstream media, they WILL pick them apart and then simply dismiss them.

I thought we were adults here.

We need everybody's perspective here. It should be welcomed not shunned.

I suppose I've made it on ppl's ignore lists too for asking too many questions ...or drawing "negative conclusions"

Common Ground... that's the first part... to me means for everybody... and I MEAN EVERYBODY ... to come together in a sense of unity to place principles before PERSONALITIES.

Common Sense... that's the second part.... to me means logical reasoning. Sometimes our logic is clouded by one-sided thinking. The balance in common ground is necessary.

Now, is it OK if I play in this sand box too or am I now "ignored"

Well, according to some, this forum is ONLY for Democrats - which I am not - and ONLY for Progressives - which I am not.

Unfortunately for those people, they cannot seem to find where it says that.

So, until then, I agree with you... Common Ground... Common Sense....

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but personally assailing anyone in this forum should be outlawed.

He's right you know.... and get this... we need people like activisms to bring all the ideas to the brainstorm too... And Ken brings ideas too.

Ina brainstorming session it's more about getting the ideas out. Then the critical thinking process helps refine it.

I guess the lessson to walk away from all this is how we do the "critical thinking' phase. Less personal attacks and more supportive feedback. There's contructive confrontation.... and then there's destructive confrontation. Too much of the later has been happening... can we move on from this now?

I will ask you all again to show respect to the posters here. Bad mouthing and name calling isn't civil. The Forum welcomes diverse points of view and posters have the right to expect that their posts won't be trashed. I have edited a number of posts in this thread. If civility can't be maintained, I will close this thread.

Ken, Thank you for supporting exactly what I said. ( mentioned that there were two processes but you clarified a bit more)

The lesson for all ( myself included) Is the critical thinking step and learning to be more supportive and constructive as we seek deeper into the facts.

That's all

This thread is now closed. Bad mouthing and name calling isn't civil. The Forum welcomes diverse points of view and posters have the right to expect that their posts won't be trashed. I have edited a number of posts in this thread. I have also deleted KenL007's last post for lack of civility. Further, the last page of posts are redundant and add nothing new to the discussion.