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Snuffysmith
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Basic Facts About the F-22

Is the F-22 Fighter Worth the Price?

By WINSLOW T. WHEELER

The U.S. Air Force claims its newly operational F-22 aircraft is a world class fighter--worth its $330 million price tag. Few, if any, have seriously questioned the F-22 as an expensive, but spectacular, aircraft.

* The original F-22 acquisition program, which officially started in 1986, intended to produce 750 aircraft for over $90 billion at no more than $149 million per aircraft.

* The current F-22 acquisition plan is to buy 183 aircraft for $65 billion at $355 million per aircraft.

* According to Government Accountability Office (GAO), as the force size shrank by 75 percent; the cost to develop the F-22 doubled.

* The original plan scheduled the first aircraft to be operationally deployed in 1996. Nine years later, the first squadron of 12 aircraft was declared "initially operationally capable" in December 2005.

*As of 2006, 63 aircraft have been delivered to the Air Force; 44 more are in production. Between 2008 and 2010 the Air Force wants to buy its final 60 in a "multiyear" procurement. Paying for this would start in 2006; the total cost would be $10.5 billion.

* Last week, the GAO and the Congressional Research Service (CRS) testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on the nature of this final "incrementally funded" purchase.

* According to the Air Force, the F-22 will achieve "air dominance" against other fighters by virtue of its stealth, super-cruise, advanced avionics, and exceptional maneuverability.

* Effectiveness, survivability, deployability, and sortie generation were tested by the Air Force in the F-22's "Initial Operational Test and Evaluation" in 2004. The test report is not available, but the Air Force states the F-22 was "overwhelmingly effective" but only "potentially suitable." The GAO noted: "Officials rated the sortie generation area as unsatisfactory. Problems were noted in aircraft reliability and maintainability, including maintenance of the aircraft's critical low observable characteristics."

* The Air Force told the GAO that these problems would be fixed before the F-22 went operational in December 2005. No new GAO report on this subject is yet available.

Note: These performance issues, and others not yet addressed by the GAO, CRS or others, will be addressed at a briefing on the F-22 sponsored by the Straus Military Reform Project of the Center for Defense Information. The briefing will feature:

Pierre Sprey was a leading member of a group, known as the "fighter mafia," who conceived what are today America's most successful air combat aircraft, the F-16 and A-10. Sprey also had a key role in the origins of the F-15 and F-18.

James Stevenson is the author of books on how to, and how not to, design and buy combat aircraft, using the Navy's F-18 and its failed A-12 as examples. He is also the former editor of the Navy Fighter Weapons School's "Topgun Journal."

This briefing will occur at 10:00 a.m. on Friday, April 7, at 1779 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. in the Shotwell Room.

Winslow T. Wheeler is the Director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Center for Defense Information. He spent 31 years working for US Senators from both parties and the Government Accountability Office. He contributed an essay on the defense budget to CounterPunch's new book: Dime's Worth of Difference. Wheeler's new book, "The Wastrels of Defense: How Congress Sabotages U.S. Security," is published by the Naval Institute Press.
Marine
I bet the Cockburns would love to see America using a second rate or obsolete fighter if the time ever comes when America needs a top notch fighter plane.

You go Cockburns............straight to hell.
Snuffysmith
Pierre Sprey was one of the founding members of the so-called “fighter mafia” – the group that conceived America’s most successful modern combat aircraft: the F-15, the F-16, and the A-10.

James Stevenson is the former editor of the Navy Fighter Weapons School’s Topgun Journal and the author of two comprehensive books on the Navy’s F-18 and A-12 aircraft.

A two part briefing (see links below) produced by these experts assessed from history what characteristics separate air-to-air fighter winners from the losers, and how the Air Force’s F-22 (now assessed by the Government Accountability Office to cost $361 million per aircraft) compares. The results of the analysis are not what the Air Force would agree with and have significant implications for America’s conventional military power, should we in the future have to face an opponent with a competent air force. In short, proceeding with the F-22 program will make the United States weaker, not stronger.

The briefings were prepared for the Straus Military Reform Project.

To view Pierre Sprey’s briefing slides, click here. Or, go to http://www.cdi.org/pdfs/Sprey%20Quarter%20Century.pdf

To view James Stevenson’s briefing slides, click here. Or, go to

http://www.cdi.org/pdfs/F-22%20Presentatio...DI%204-7-06.pdf







Winslow T. Wheeler

Director

Straus Military Reform Project

Center for Defense Information

202 797-5271 in DC

301 840-1362 in MD

winslowwheeler@comcast.net
Magmak1
It is good to see that the intelligence and spirit of John Boyd remain alive and active.

The late Lt. Col John Boyd (USAF) was a thorn in the side of the Pentagon procurement mentality in the latter parts of his career. (There's a great biography of him: Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed The Art of War,
Robert Coram, Back Bay Books/Little, Brown & Co., 2002, ISBN 0-316-79688-3.)

His energy/maneuverability theory can be seen in the background of Sprey's slides. His emphasis on pilot visibility and fast transients is there too. Boyd wrote the book on fighter tactics and was known as "40-second Boyd"; in mock dogfights, he could "kill" any opponent in 40 seconds or under. His work gave rise to the OODA loop theory. Pierre Sprey was one of his acolytes.

To read more about Boyd and the work of his acolytes in the field of "defense in the national interest", go to http://www.d-n-i.net/ and/or http://www.belisarius.com/.

To download his thesis "Destruction and Creation", go here: http://www.goalsys.com/id17.htm.


I sure would like it if Boyd could come back for a cup of coffee and a discussion...

but I'm sure I'd have to wait in a long line.
flydangler
If I recall correctly the F-22 was originally conceived as an interim stopgap measure until a totally new concept strike fighter could be built. Methinks 'twas a program meant to give the USAF somethin' capable of tacklin' the Rafale and Eurofighter aircraft 'twas thought the French would sell to other countries we might have to go up against. Then the Congress gets its fingers into the pie, design changes are required and the costs skyrocket for a plane of limited capability when viewed against what would follow it.

IMHO we'd be better off to cut our losses and speed up production of the F-35 in all its variants. 'Tis just a whole lot better plane and much more cost effective, eh?
Snuffysmith
Harvard’s Nieman Watchdog has posted an excellent summary of the Straus Military Reform Project’s recent briefing on the F-22. It can be found at

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fu...askthisid=00197,

and it is reproduced below. The article is written by military affairs author and journalist Ed Offley, whom some will recognize as the former editor for David Hackworth’s “Soldiers for the Truth” and a professional who has been around long enough to understand and articulate the issues relevant to the F-22 clearly.



Personally, I find it both remarkable but – given the state of current affairs – predictable that the F-22 has been around so long but that its performance characteristics, as an individual fighter and as a deployed force of fighters, have been so poorly understood. Indeed, some may be surprised by the nature of Pierre Sprey’s and Jim Stevenson’s conclusions about the solidly underperforming F-22 given the egregious hype applied to it over the years. However, consider this: Sprey was one of the architect’s of the F-16 and the A-10, and to a lesser extent of the F-15, and Stevenson has been writing professionally about combat aircraft for over 20 years. They just might know what they are talking about.



Offley’s article on this issue, as reproduced by Nieman Watchdog, follows:








The F-22 Raptor is said to be invisible...until it isn't
ASK THIS | April 19, 2006

Analysts liken fighter plane to a WWII Messerschmidt, saying it is a technological marvel with the latest weapons but that it will be poor in combat.

Q. Can the Raptor see the enemy first, outnumber it, outmaneuver it, and kill it quickly?

Q. How does the Raptor stack up against the F-16?

Q. Why did Congress cap production of the Raptor at half the number sought by the Air Force?

This report first appeared in the Panama City News Herald.

By Ed Offley
eoffley@pcnh.com

It was the most impressive fighter aircraft seen to date.

Designed around a breakthrough technology, it was heavily armed with the latest air-to-air weapons and was capable of flying faster than its enemies and destroying previously invulnerable enemy aircraft.

One British pilot called it “the most formidable fighter” that the world had seen to date. Its pilots said it was a delight to fly.

Yet military historians today say the German Messerschmidt 262 fighter had little effect on the air war over Europe during World War II, and two military aviation experts last week warned that the U.S. Air Force has likely set itself up to repeat the harsh lesson of the Me-262 “Stormbird” in a future conflict against an adversary with a modern air force.

Simply put, said Pierre Sprey and James P. Stevenson, the F-22 Raptor is shaping up to be the Sturmvogel of the 21st century: a dazzling piece of technology that fatally ignores some of the unbending realities of aerial combat.

On surface, the Raptor debate ended six months ago. After years of controversy, the Air Force and Defense Department reached a final agreement on the Raptor program, with DoD and Congress approving full production of the stealth fighter while capping the program at 183 aircraft, a 50-percent reduction of the 381 planes that the service had long said it needed at a minimum.

(For Tyndall Air Force Base, where the Raptor pilot training program is located, this has meant a reduction in training squadrons from two to one, with 29 of the sleek fighters to be used in preparing pilots for combat units.)

But to Sprey, a founding member of the so-called “fighter mafia” group that during the 1960s and 1970s ramrodded the F-15, F-16 and A-10 programs into being despite fierce internal opposition, and military author Stevenson, who has written extensively on the Navy’s F/A-18 and A-12 fighters, the Air Force has created a major crisis in its future combat capability by sticking to the Raptor program.

The two analysts presented their stark findings to a symposium at the nonprofit Center for Defense Information on Friday in Washington, D.C. The two analysts provided their findings to The News Herald, and Sprey elaborated on the issues in a telephone interview.

Sprey said his briefing focused on the time-tested factors that define an effective fighter plane: (1) See the enemy first; (2) outnumber the enemy; (3) outmaneuver the enemy to fire, and (4) kill the enemy quickly.

“The Raptor is a horrible failure on almost every one of those criteria,” Sprey said.

The stellar attribute of the F-22 — its invisibility on enemy radar due to a computer-aided stealth design — is a “myth,” Sprey said. That is because in order to locate the enemy beyond visual range, the Raptor (like every other fighter) must turn on its own radar, immediately betraying its location.

Nor is the aircraft design effective simply because its advocates insist so, Sprey said. The 1980s-era F-117 stealth fighter was supposed to be invisible too, but post-Gulf War studies showed that the aircraft had been spotted by Iraq’s ground-based radars, he said.

And in the 77-day aerial campaign against Serbia in 1999, the adversary’s “1950s-era radar” managed to locate and shoot down two F-117s, Stevenson pointed out in his presentation. The situation is actually worse today, he said, because many nations have acquired advanced missiles that can home in on radar emissions.

“Who do you want in a dark alley?” Stevenson asked. “The cop with the flashlight, or the crook with a gun that fires light-homing bullets?”

Because the Raptor ultimately ballooned into a weapon that costs $361 million per copy, even Congress could not stomach the total program cost exceeding $65 billion, Sprey said. As a result, the Air Force is now committed to fielding a fighter program that lacks sufficient numbers to prevail in a major conflict, however effective the individual aircraft may be.

“Hitler had 70 Me-262s in combat,” Sprey said. “They were crushed by the force of 2,000 inferior P-51s that the United States had in the air.”

Early reports from mock deployments of the Raptor also show a major shortfall in the fighter’s sustainability in combat, Sprey said.

“The F-16 costs one-tenth of the F-22 and flies three times as often due to the issues of stealth, complexity and maintenance affecting the Raptor,” Sprey said. Sustainability and the number of aircraft available to fight on any given day, he added, are “vastly more important” than the quality of the F-22. “You have to have numerical superiority to win.”

On the last two points, maneuverability and capability for a “quick kill,” the two analysts assert that the Raptor is inferior to the F-16 and several allied fighter designs in the crucible of “energy-maneuverability.”

“Some (experts) assert that in the next air war,” all of the radars will be off and the air war will merge to air combat maneuvering,” Stevenson observed.

The Raptor’s performance in that mode will be “disastrous,” Sprey added.

“The only thing that will bail the U.S. Air Force out of this mess is the fact that they still have a lot of F-16s in service,” Sprey said, “The day they send the F-16s to the ‘boneyard’ is the day the service becomes a non-Air Force.”


Yeah, and so is the Naval version out?
Posted by Bill Rhodes - photojournalist
04/17/2006, 08:23 PM
Naval Aviation hated this plane since it was first drawn.

The Myth of Stealth
Posted by A.A. Cunningham - rF consultant
04/18/2006, 10:28 AM
Those of us in the EW community new from the very outset that the F-117 was detectable by low band search radars; as is the B-2, as is the F-22, as is the F-35. Looking at the data obtained during susceptibility and emissions testing of the Nighthawk confirms it.

Stealth technology and design decreases detectability but doesn't make one invisible. Every measure that is taken is met with a countermeasure so the battle is an ongoing chess match. Effective tactics and the use of SEAD platforms can help keep the enemy guessing. The loss of the single F-117 in the Balkans, not two as Stevenson claims, showed what happens when people get complacent, lazy and arrogant when planning ops.

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