Marines under attack, crying for their lives...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlvLmBvOx8

Why our international politicians and especially the Vatican still supports these senseless wars... bring em home, its not fair...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

OMG!

Never been in combat, eh Roger? Gets pretty scary and hairy sometimes, but methinks them what's actually done it wouldn't try to use stuff like this to belittle others.

I believe the Vatican was vehemently against the invasion of Iraq and voiced it's opposition loudly and openly. After viewing the video clip you posted, I did not hear any Marine "crying". I did hear a Marine fervently asking for God's protection as they were under fire...

Fly, I don't understand your response to Roger. What did you think he meant by this post? He seems to me to be bringing our attention to reality and emphasizing that we should bring these guys home now. How is he belittling anyone?

It fits in with the tone of several other posts here. I understand Fly's sentiments and echo them.

'Twas not the video, but the editorial comment and how 'twas used, eh?

I agree with fly on this one.
Crying for their lives" demeans their job and their prayers. And praying isn't crying. For what its worth.

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I think it's always a good idea to question a video, opinion piece, or newsarticle that doesn't provide specific details. Noticeably absent is any reference to where this occured, when it occurred, the units or how the video was obtained.

It's also very difficult to tell from the link whether the kid that uploaded this video was 1) making his own home video or 2) it's file footage with a voice over.

Having said that, when the tags for the video include words like coward, cowards, crying, etc., it tells me all I need to know about the JuBa86. I don't think "bringing them home" is what he had in mind.

Ditto - my sentiments exactly Snuff.

And the Vatican has always been against the invasion of Iraq, and continues to support ending this horror.

just don't make fun of him, you may have to find your a** if there any left

Thanks for clearing up what seemed a strange response. I had taken the "crying" to mean "crying out", and it just never crossed my mind that there was an intent to make fun of these guys. That's unbelievable. How could any sane person listen to that and not feel moved beyond explanation. I found the Marine's praying without ceasing an incredible testimony to his faith and his courage under fire.

Now that I think about it, it makes me wonder who the h*ll was sitting there making the video in the middle of all that?

Did you notice that the video is filed under "humor?" That is monstrous.

I hope, when the mods read this, they'll let it stand in spite of it's rather personal nature. This has got to be said.
Roger- I guess that's who you are-

This is the second thread over the last several days in which you have attempted to either fabricate, denigrate, or belittle 'things American.' Last week it was a pro-Palestinean diatribe about the exercise of our veto in the United Nations. I got in some trouble with the mods then because I used some pretty harsh language. I thought you deserved it but the mod thought otherwise- but I'm trying to keep this calm and rational this time.

Today you're trying to take a very human response to a terrible situation and twist it into something it is not.

What I see and hear are some very frightened men stuck in an incredibly horrible and terrifying place, and one facing his own mortality in prayer. There is no crying, no dishonor, no cowardice; those attributes are implied in you thread introduction and, frankly, I find it offensive.

I am also tired of your "America-Bashing" attitude. We here are very upset with our government and will do what we can to change it, as soon as it can be changed. We don't need the America-bashing propaganda being coughed up like phlegm and spit it our face. Either be constructive and honest, or keep to yourself.

How do we even know this video was made in Iraq by soldiers? All you can see is about a foot up and 10 -15 feet forward. You hear a lot of talking. Where is this taking place?

I agree that this is what I hear, too. If in fact these are really Americans in Iraq. Looks like it might be some sort of propaganda aimed at demoralizing Americans.

One thing I would like to add is that even if they do cry, even if they are scared or act once or twice in a cowardly manner under what at least appears to be the life-threatening circumstances of the front lines - that doesn't mean they ARE cowards. And it doesn't demoralize me in the slightest. It shows me that our men are scared and they're brave and they're doing the best they can with what they've got. And in an incredibly crazy part of the world, I might add.

This doesn't demoralize me. It actually makes me feel prouder to be among the ranks of these guys. My cousin is over there doing exactly this sort of thing. And even if he's crying for his life (God forbid!) he's still my cousin and the father of three and a good husband and a son and grandson and brother. And the little kid I knew and the man he became.

I might be subject to the American propagandists but I'm steeled against anti-American propaganda. Unless it's an American who is criticizing our country out of love for it. What this video does, actually, is make me want to defend these men who are in the battle!

My interest was about the one who posted the video:

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Hello. I'm JuBa86
Age: 19
Gender: Male
CA

More About Me:

Haifa, 1948: My grandfather was forced out of his home, under threat of being shot by a Jewish terrorist organization called Irgun, in order to make room for an ashkenazi Jewish family who came all the way from France...

He took the key of our home with him and moved to Jenin with his 3 kids and wife. He dreamed of going back to his home and use that key once more. He couldnt.

He always regretted to his family and told them how he really wants to go back to that day and be killed defending his home rather than giving it up for some settlers (something he couldnt do to protect the life of his family).

On his deathbed he confessed to my dad that he lost all hope in this ugly unjust world and he just wants to meet the Lord. My father took the key hoping to one day to take us all back to our home, but the dream seems ever far away.

Grandpa, I just want to promise you infront of this whole world, that one day I will put that unlucky, rusty key in that lock, and we will finally be home again.

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I'd say a young man with a family grudge.
That I understand. Belittling soldiers, I can't.

Noting the other video posted by the young man:
"Who's the Terrorist Now?" I would suggest being
careful to be very clean, we at CGCS are much more accepting
and understanding than your local Homeland Security folks.

There's an old saying in war: Everyone gets scared, unless they are insane.

Solve et Coagula: Send chocolate!

THANK YOU GABRIELLE!

My thoughts exactly. When the Swiss stop telling us about how their banks are sancrosanct, even against the Nazi horrors, then THEY can tell us about the cowardice of our Marines and the evil nature of our support of Israel

Hmmm.... Juba86 apparently writes from CA, so that would mean he's enjoying the benefits of either this country or Canada. This would indicate his grandfather's sacrifice eventually led to some good for his grandchild. That the Irgun was known for extremism in the early days of the Jewish people trying to claim a homeland is something I recall from reading The Haj. It was not condoned by the rest of the Jewish people already living there nor their leaders. I'm by no means knowledgeable about this history, but someone needs to clarify a point being made. That this young man was raised with a one-sided hatred explains his anger. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't his anger be directed at the British who ran out of there as fast as they could without clarifying who owned what?

Juba86, when you stop blaming the Israelis for the deeds of the Irgun, I'll stop blaming you for 9/11. That is also meant for Roger, BTW.

In the meantime, keep your opinions off this forum. You are not welcome here. Many of us are former Marines and do not want to hear anything you have to say. We will never find common ground with you unless we meet in Hell.

I do, and it because I,ve been in a situation where someone was trying very hard to kill me. Thank God, Allah, Buddah, Jesus, sweet Mary, Mother of Jesus, and anybody else YOU can think of at the moment.

I'm glad no one took pictures of me chewing grass at the runway in Grenada.