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Cheney Pushed U.S. to Widen Eavesdropping

By SCOTT SHANE and ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: May 14, 2006

In the weeks after the 9/11 attacks, the vice president argued that domestic telephone calls and e-mail should be intercepted without warrants.

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Someone raised a very good question:

What is the role of the DOD and the NSA in 9/11, before, during and after..?

Foreknowledge?

Technologies?
Terra
QUOTE(jimiray @ May 9 2006, 12:40 PM)
MSNBC VIDEO: Moussaoui wore 'stun belt' for new testimony

If you're looking for a reason why Zacarias Moussaoui suddenly testified today to a version of the 9/11 plotline that sounds more like the Official story than even the official Whitewash Commission report, this video may have the answer.

In it, NBC news reporter Pete Williams lets slip that Moussaoui is wearing a "Stun belt" underneath his clothing controlled by US Marshals. MSNBC host Dan Abrams gets some more details on the stun belt.

A taste of the exchange:
WILLIAMS: The old outbursts were gone... He was very docile today... We believe that he's wearing one of those stun belts, and it may be that he was very worried about doing anything that would cause those Marshals to press the button....

ABRAMS: A stun belt? They literally have sOmething around his waist? That they can push a button and?

WILLIAMS: [Pause] Well...
Only in 21st-century Amerika!

Check the video out here  http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...0306_b_belt.htm
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Hrmm Stun belts, anklets, legwraps have been used in Vegas for over 15 years.. on just about anyone that won't behave in a courtroom and is deemed possibly dangerous.
Magmak1
The questions about 9/11 are breaking out again in the press:

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From http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0549,murphy,70685,6.html:

Open and Shut
Four years later, we still have ten big questions

by Jarrett Murphy
December 5th, 2005 6:30 PM

full text at link

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From http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/1443.../printstory.jsp, a large Philadelphia newspaper:

Many questions linger

By WILL BUNCH
bunchw@phillynews.com 215-854-2957

full text at link

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Magmak1
Sunday, May 14, 2006
Truth and Reconciliation

What's the end goal of the fight for 9/11 truth and justice? Is it to see the perpetrators impeached and tried for their crimes, and then sentenced to life in jail? Or executed?

I think that's aiming too low. That's not going far enough.

Why? Because the gentlemen who carried out 9/11 will likely be replaced by some other corrupt, ruthless folks. Meet the new boss ... same as the old boss.

If all we do is punish the perpetrators, the spin will be it was just a "handful of bad apples". This is the same angle that was used on the grunts at Abu Ghraib, even though we now know that the orders for torture in Iraq came from the very top.

Sure, the 9/11 perpetrators apparently were at the very top. But a 9/11 criminal prosecution is more likely to sacrifice a couple of small fish than to point to the true ringleaders.

Further, many American military, intelligence and political folks are afraid to expose what they know about 9/11 for fear that it will plunge the country into chaos. As someone wrote anonymously in response to a previous essay:

"I think this is the key question. What would happen if this great crime were exposed and justice meted out to the many involved? How would the system be rebuilt and who would keep the broken pieces together during the healing process? Without some thought along these lines, many people will see exposing 9/11 as stepping into the abyss."

So unless we can provide a way to obtain truth and justice and save our country, many people with inside knowledge or who are in positions of power will hinder rather than help us.

Finally, even if the true leaders of 9/11 are prosecuted, other countries will just blame it on the "crazy Americans". Who cares about other countries? Well, countries all over the world have carried out operations like 9/11. And China will probably replace America as the world's leading superpower in twenty years or so. So even if the American leaders of the 9/11 attacks are brought to justice, it is likely that the true lesson of 9/11 will not be learned by others.

A Different Strategy

Some of the main 9/11 truth movers and shakers have suggested an alternative strategy: a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

As you may recall, South Africa set up a truth and reconciliation commission. The Commission granted amnesty to the people who committed brutal acts of murder and torture under the apartheid regime. I wasn't in South Africa at the time, but my impression is that the Commission helped South Africa heal its incredibly deep wounds quickly. Not only did the victims have a chance to tell their stories, but the people who carried out these horrible acts had a chance to confess in public.

Would the same work with 9/11? Maybe so.

What if the perpetrators of 9/11 and their assistants were granted amnesty from prosecution on the condition that they fully explain how and why 9/11 happened? The following might occur:

• Lower-level 9/11 conspirators would probably be more likely to come forward and tell what they know

• When they come forward, they are more likely to point their finger at the real masterminds of 9/11

• Seeing a way to support the truth without destroying the country, others who have knowledge of the true 9/11 facts -- even if they are not direct participants in 9/11 -- will be more likely to work publicly for truth and justice, instead of hindering us

• People in other countries will hear the true facts about 9/11, so that false flag terrorism will be less likely to be used in their countries

Less is More

Does this sound like I'm being soft on the criminals? Well, initially a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission would not grant amnesty to anyone who failed to fully confess. So let's say higher-level people did not admit their role in 9/11: they would be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law.

Moreover, sometimes less is more. Remember those Chinese finger cuffs you played with as a kid? If you tried to pull your finger out quickly, you got trapped ... but if you patiently pushed the ends towards the middle, you could free your finger.

Well, 9/11 may be like Chinese finger cuffs. If we insist on executing all of the perpetrators, the resistance might be so great that we stay "trapped" in the current "cuff" of immobilization and resistance to 9/11 truth.

But if we are a little more patient and a bit more intelligent in our approach, we might be able to "free" the forces of truth and justice, and free ourselves from the nightmare in which we are currently trapped.

We need to be fierce and unrelenting in our push for 9/11 truth and justice. And -- though it may seem paradoxical -- with a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission as an end-game, I believe we might get there alot quicker than if we demand the heads of all those involved in 9/11.

I am not talking about going easy on the bad guys. They've got to come totally clean or they get life in prison or worse. But I am talking about doing something that actually might work.

I'm also, frankly, talking about turning lemons into lemonade. 9/11 was an act of tremendous evil and deceit. But through the idea of a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission, we might be able to use 9/11 to wake up America and the world to the secret history of false flag terror, the true nature of governments and manipulation, and the possibilities for a better society. We might be able to confess our sins as a nation, and to -- perhaps for the first time ever -- truly start living up to the ideals expressed by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Timing

When is the time to hold a 9/11 "T &R" Commission?

Kevin Barrett, co-founder of Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, argues that we cannot make a T & R real until we have more leverage. As Kevin told me in an email:

"You may recall that what caused regime change in South Africa was fear of increasing societal chaos and an eventual "bloodbath" -- and that the Truth & Reconciliation Commission was set up AFTER the regime change, as a way of exposing and healing past crimes. Having a new regime willing and able to prosecute the members of the old regime was a precondition to getting people to come forward in return for amnesty."

"I don't see how talking about T&R now is going to have much effect. Most of the population still hasn't understood the magnitude of the crime, and will have to work through feelings of anger when they do understand it. As I see it, the progression will be: first, a large enough slice of the population is howling for the perps' heads; then, regime change is forced on the perps by powerful but non-directly-complicit folks, backed by the angry masses and the prospect of an ungovernable society without a shred of governmental legitimacy; and finally, after the threat of prosecution is credible, T&R is set up to heal and get the full truth."

"So a big part of our job now is to take the fear/anger instigated by 9/11 and turn it into pure, righteous anger against the perps."

I think Kevin has a realistic view of the timing of a 9/11 Truth & Reconciliation commission. However, I also believe that by deciding on a T &R as our end-game, we can encourage some high-powered people -- perhaps including insiders to the 9/11 crimes -- into becoming allies in the struggle for truth and justice.

And by fighting courageously, tirelessly and fiercely for truth and justice, with compassion and mercy in our hearts, we will be acting according to the highest principles of what it means to be human, and we will bring about the best outcome for all.

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From http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Magmak1
Beck's music mp3:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/everybody...arnsometime.mp3

"Everyybody's Gotta Learn Sometime"

Change your heart... look around you... it will astound you.
I need your lovin' like the sunshine.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ May 14 2006, 02:11 PM)
The questions about 9/11 are breaking out again in the press:

--  --
From http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0549,murphy,70685,6.html:

Open and Shut
Four years later, we still have ten big questions

by Jarrett Murphy
December 5th, 2005 6:30 PM

full text at link

-- --

From http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/1443.../printstory.jsp, a large Philadelphia newspaper:

Many questions linger

By WILL BUNCH
bunchw@phillynews.com 215-854-2957

full text at link

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This is an excellent article, Magmak. Thanks for posting it.
Magmak1
From http://www.911blogger.com/ via http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/DebateP...se8May2006.html :


The National 9/11 Debate is pleased to announce that Philip Berg, James Fetzer, David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones, Morgan Reynolds, George Nelson, and Judy Wood have agreed to participate in the National 9/11 Debate on September 16, 2006 in Charleston, South Carolina. Members of the 9/11 Commission, government scientists from the National Institute of Standards and Technology, and other supporting experts are anticipated to participate and represent the government’s debate team.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire is a Former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and the attorney for plaintiffs in 9-11 RICO Suit vs. Bush. His web site, 911forthetruth.com covers the RICO lawsuit against Bush, Cheney, and 53 other defendants in Federal Court.

James H. Fetzer a Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, a former Marine Corps officer, the author or editor of 27 books, and founder and co-chairman of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

David Ray Griffin is Professor Emeritus of Philosophy and Theology at the Claremont Graduate School, where he taught for over 30 years, retiring in 2004. He has authored or edited over thirty books, including "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11" and "Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11".

Steven E. Jones is the co-chairman of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a Professor of Physics at Brigham Young University, an expert in cold fusion and solar energy who earned his Ph.D. at Vanderbilt, and who has authored an influential study of the collapse of the Twin Towers (WTC-1, WTC-2).

George Nelson, Colonel, USAF (retired) is a trained aircraft accident investigator who served as an Aircraft Maintenance Manager for more than 30 years and who was assigned additional duties as a member of aircraft accident investigation teams for the United States Air Force.

Morgan Reynolds is a Professor Emeritus of Economics at Texas A&M. He is the former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor for President George W. Bush. He is also the former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. In June 2005, Lew Rockwell published Reynolds’ article: Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?

Judy D. Wood is a Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Clemson University with degrees in Civil Engineering, Engineering Mechanics, and Materials Engineering Science. Professor Wood teaches courses in the areas of engineering mechanics and experimental stress analysis.

The structure of the National 9/11 Debate will include a credentialed seven-member debate team that supports the government’s account of 9/11, a credentialed seven-member debate team that disputes elements of the government’s account, and a seven-member media panel that will monitor the debates and pose questions to the debate team members.

The National 9/11 Debate September 16, 2006
Embassy Suites Hotel Airport-Convention Center
5055 International Blvd, N. Charleston, South Carolina, United States 29418
Tel: +1-843-747-1882 Fax: +1-843-747-1895

I don't have any real details other than this press release, and the following related web page: http://www.teamliberty.net/id244.html
graham4anything
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ May 14 2006, 02:20 PM)
Sunday, May 14, 2006
Truth and Reconciliation

What's the end goal of the fight for 9/11 truth and justice? Is it to see the perpetrators impeached and tried for their crimes, and then sentenced to life in jail? Or executed?

I think that's aiming too low. That's not going far enough.

Why? Because the gentlemen who carried out 9/11 will likely be replaced by some other corrupt, ruthless folks. Meet the new boss ... same as the old boss.

If all we do is punish the perpetrators, the spin will be it was just a "handful of bad apples". This is the same angle that was used on the grunts at Abu Ghraib, even though we now know that the orders for torture in Iraq came from the very top.

Sure, the 9/11 perpetrators apparently were at the very top. But a 9/11 criminal prosecution is more likely to sacrifice a couple of small fish than to point to the true ringleaders.

Further, many American military, intelligence and political folks are afraid to expose what they know about 9/11 for fear that it will plunge the country into chaos. As someone wrote anonymously in response to a previous essay:

"I think this is the key question. What would happen if this great crime were exposed and justice meted out to the many involved? How would the system be rebuilt and who would keep the broken pieces together during the healing process? Without some thought along these lines, many people will see exposing 9/11 as stepping into the abyss."

So unless we can provide a way to obtain truth and justice and save our country, many people with inside knowledge or who are in positions of power will hinder rather than help us.

Finally, even if the true leaders of 9/11 are prosecuted, other countries will just blame it on the "crazy Americans". Who cares about other countries? Well, countries all over the world have carried out operations like 9/11. And China will probably replace America as the world's leading superpower in twenty years or so. So even if the American leaders of the 9/11 attacks are brought to justice, it is likely that the true lesson of 9/11 will not be learned by others.

A Different Strategy

Some of the main 9/11 truth movers and shakers have suggested an alternative strategy: a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

As you may recall, South Africa set up a truth and reconciliation commission. The Commission granted amnesty to the people who committed brutal acts of murder and torture under the apartheid regime. I wasn't in South Africa at the time, but my impression is that the Commission helped South Africa heal its incredibly deep wounds quickly. Not only did the victims have a chance to tell their stories, but the people who carried out these horrible acts had a chance to confess in public.

Would the same work with 9/11? Maybe so.

What if the perpetrators of 9/11 and their assistants were granted amnesty from prosecution on the condition that they fully explain how and why 9/11 happened? The following might occur:

• Lower-level 9/11 conspirators would probably be more likely to come forward and tell what they know

• When they come forward, they are more likely to point their finger at the real masterminds of 9/11

• Seeing a way to support the truth without destroying the country, others who have knowledge of the true 9/11 facts -- even if they are not direct participants in 9/11 -- will be more likely to work publicly for truth and justice, instead of hindering us

• People in other countries will hear the true facts about 9/11, so that false flag terrorism will be less likely to be used in their countries

Less is More

Does this sound like I'm being soft on the criminals? Well, initially a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission would not grant amnesty to anyone who failed to fully confess. So let's say higher-level people did not admit their role in 9/11: they would be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law.

Moreover, sometimes less is more. Remember those Chinese finger cuffs you played with as a kid? If you tried to pull your finger out quickly, you got trapped ... but if you patiently pushed the ends towards the middle, you could free your finger.

Well, 9/11 may be like Chinese finger cuffs. If we insist on executing all of the perpetrators, the resistance might be so great that we stay "trapped" in the current "cuff" of immobilization and resistance to 9/11 truth.

But if we are a little more patient and a bit more intelligent in our approach, we might be able to "free" the forces of truth and justice, and free ourselves from the nightmare in which we are currently trapped.

We need to be fierce and unrelenting in our push for 9/11 truth and justice. And -- though it may seem paradoxical -- with a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission as an end-game, I believe we might get there alot quicker than if we demand the heads of all those involved in 9/11.

I am not talking about going easy on the bad guys. They've got to come totally clean or they get life in prison or worse. But I am talking about doing something that actually might work.

I'm also, frankly, talking about turning lemons into lemonade. 9/11 was an act of tremendous evil and deceit. But through the idea of a 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation Commission, we might be able to use 9/11 to wake up America and the world to the secret history of false flag terror, the true nature of governments and manipulation, and the possibilities for a better society. We might be able to confess our sins as a nation, and to -- perhaps for the first time ever -- truly start living up to the ideals expressed by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Timing

When is the time to hold a 9/11 "T &R" Commission?

Kevin Barrett, co-founder of Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, argues that we cannot make a T & R real until we have more leverage. As Kevin told me in an email:

"You may recall that what caused regime change in South Africa was fear of increasing societal chaos and an eventual "bloodbath" -- and that the Truth & Reconciliation Commission was set up AFTER the regime change, as a way of exposing and healing past crimes. Having a new regime willing and able to prosecute the members of the old regime was a precondition to getting people to come forward in return for amnesty."

"I don't see how talking about T&R now is going to have much effect. Most of the population still hasn't understood the magnitude of the crime, and will have to work through feelings of anger when they do understand it. As I see it, the progression will be: first, a large enough slice of the population is howling for the perps' heads; then, regime change is forced on the perps by powerful but non-directly-complicit folks, backed by the angry masses and the prospect of an ungovernable society without a shred of governmental legitimacy; and finally, after the threat of prosecution is credible, T&R is set up to heal and get the full truth."

"So a big part of our job now is to take the fear/anger instigated by 9/11 and turn it into pure, righteous anger against the perps."

I think Kevin has a realistic view of the timing of a 9/11 Truth & Reconciliation commission. However, I also believe that by deciding on a T &R as our end-game, we can encourage some high-powered people -- perhaps including insiders to the 9/11 crimes -- into becoming allies in the struggle for truth and justice.

And by fighting courageously, tirelessly and fiercely for truth and justice, with compassion and mercy in our hearts, we will be acting according to the highest principles of what it means to be human, and we will bring about the best outcome for all.

--
From http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
*



I like this idea of allowing amnsesty for the people who speak up, long as you can be sure they are telling the truth.
Incentive to talk.

Great article.
Magmak1
Anybody see this?

http://www.archive.org/details/ B...helsTAKEBACK911

new movie... I haven't watched it. Loooonnnnggggg download.
Magmak1
The above is an audio file (sorry about that)... a 104-minute audio documentary...
Snuffysmith
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cf...&contentid=3498

Gen. Michael Hayden: Failure of NSA on 9/11
by NICO HAUPT

(EDITOR'S NOTE: The failure of the NSA and its head General Michael Hayden on 9/11 is the most ignored "9/11 connection." Did the NSA and NRO "stand down" on September 11, 2001 and why? Or was this function run from the so-called "private sector"? Why has Hayden and the NSA not been held accountable for his failure?)

Currently Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence. Gen. Michael Hayden has also served as Commander of the Air Intelligence Agency and as Director of the Joint Command and Control Warfare Center. On May 8, 2006, he has been named by Bush as the next DCI (Director of the CIA)

More importantly, Hayden was also head of the National Security Agency (NSA) from March 1999 - April 2005.

The role of the NSA regarding 9/11 has been dismissed and ignored.
Why? Because apparently some '9/11 authors' and self-appointed '9/11 activist leaders'have been too distracted by 'CIA, Cheney and the Pentagon'.

Was the role of the NSA ignored to delay or distract from all physical evidence, based on military operations, scripted by the NSA and their private contractors?

The NSA, and also NASA had their eyes not only on the 9/11 "plotline"
but also on the "military operation" of 9/11 more closely than any other U. S. Government Agency.

The National Security Agency (NSA) has been a very early and sophisticated user of the highest performance technology
of commercial computer, storage, and networking systems, often provided by "private" companies. This includes also the Internet and the internet "daisy committees" of the NSA.

These are unidentified online trolls, which nicknames share different I.P. addresses, though only "one and the same user". However this "user", represented with a nickname is also able to post 24/7 on particular discussion boards, apparently without any sleep.

The NSA can also basically login and monitor all important databases of the U.S., especially aviation databases. Among them the National Flight Database (NFD).

Current data elements included are:
* Airports and Heliports,
* Standard Terminal Arrival Procedures (STARs),
* GPS and RNAV (GPS) or Runways for airports that have a SIAP coded in the NFD.


Would the NSA 'log in' on the morning on September 11, 2001? Of course, they would.

That's why they also know that the BTS database of the FAA already proves, that "AA77" and "AA11" did not exist on the morning of 9/11.

The NSA knew all alleged passengers on the morning of Sep.11.

They know this faster than the FBI or CIA.

They know which plane does exist and which doesn't.

They also know in real time, what really happened in NYC, Shanksville and at the Pentagon, because of less stress of 'competence'.

In other words, the NSA are the most important part of the perpetrators who "did 9/11".

"The CIA did 9/11" is instead distraction language of many "9/11 truthlings", based on a dried out old school meme of the 80s.

This meme often also includes other inane 'NWO'-drivel like endless distractions of esoteric traps like "MK-ULTRA" or "drug business", to water down the issue.

The 'CIA-talk' often distracts on alleged on-topic 'discussion forums' with other off-topics,which immediately deceive their online members with secondary 'research' or even pseudo-religious agenda, new age cults and other historical sideshows.

Often "CIA researchers" find themselves quickly among associates of "TWA800 researchers" or worse: "JFK researchers" or "moonflight hoax debunkers".

The strategy is obvious.

To distract from Sep. 11th with either paranoia or "80s conspiracy theories".

"The Mossad did it"-meme has a similar strategy, though it clearly distracts with other obvious agendas, often even conflicting each other, which has the same purpose: Divide and Conquer.

Right after 9/11, self appointed "Mossad researchers", often end up
in debates on historical research from over 2000-3000 years ago,
which is even more effective.

The 'CIA distraction' also helps to stir a fight between
the supporters of the 'mossad distraction' and the 'CIA-NWO' sensationalists, often also accused as "zionists", especially if you deny ANY complicity of the Mossad.

But what has 'complicity' to do with the actual performance of the inside operation?

Basically the same complicity of the so called '9/11 cover-up'
can also be easily constructed with the Dutch-, German-, Saudi- or Pakistani intelligence.

The result is an endless debate on whether the one or other agency had more or less participation into 9/11.

What almost noone realizes, all these 'complicities' refer in the majority to the plotline, not the military operation.

Therefore it doesn't matter if either CIA, BND, MOSSAD, Dutch Intelligence or "Able Danger" "observed" or "impostered" the alleged hijackers.

It all represents just the 'plotline' and distracts from
the controlled demolition or the so called "controversial" TV fakery research.

(http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html )

The "CIA connection" was also designed to distract from the Private Military- and intelligence Contractors (PMCs), which already replaced and dominated U.S. Intelligence anyway.

Another "distraction", not less effective, is the "Bush did it" meme,
which helps to distract with post 9/11' -"scandals" of the White House or Pentagon, to keep false hope campaigners or the complete 'anti-war movement' busy.

The same "Bush did it" meme also automatically triggers other inane 'activist drivel' on prior knowledge red herrings like Jeb or Marvin Bush.

That's why also so called left gate keepers are still clueless about the real players of many other new 'setups' against their own citizens. Among them are "private" companies like In-Q-Tel, Titan Corp., BoozAllen Hamilton, CSC/DynCorp, SAIC and many others.

The NSA has their own satellite surveillance trackers, developed by SAIC and other private intelligence contractors.

(* see also SAIC- power structure 9/11 and more
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/fo...topic.php?1664)

On the morning of Sep. 11th, the NSA did not follow any particular standard government- and military procedure or any other logistics, therefore it cannot be accused of "negligence".

There also was no "Rumsfeld around". Neither a silly "Rove influence", "Cheney" or "Joe Wilson", all carefully designed limited hangout puppets.

Truthlings and Gatekeepers apparently watched too many soap operas.
If the name isn't known to them, it isn't 'cool' to talk about.

That's why more important players of the 9/11 perps never arrived
on any '9/11 truth flyer', among them:

Douglas Feith, Stephen Cambone, Jay C Davis (ANSER), James Woolsey, Ruth David, James R. Clapper, Duane (Dewey) Clarridge, Andrew W. "Yoda" Marshall, Scott Myers, Eliot Cohen, Christopher Demut, Thomas S. Foley, Charles Holland, David Jeremiah, Michael Ledeen, Norman Podhoretz, Bruce P. Jackson, the Naudet Brothers, the Club of Rome, Raytheon and many others.

That's why also the role of the NSA is underrepresented in this 'truth movement', because much closer to the truth than anyone else.

That's why cointel-pro still succesfully runs or deceives the biggest 'activist' groups in the 9/11 truth movement.

Anyone knows, that the Heritage Foundation runs meetup.com, where most of the 'activists' met in the first time?
Obviously the majority doesn't.

"Profile producers" are less important than "profile paranoia".


When 'Civil Right activists' try to distract with "controversial surveillance facts" on the NSA, they follow a clear script from their leadership groups, itself also infiltrated by government agents
or sponsored by right wing think tanks, ironically also often close to the CIA.

The same or similar pattern can be also seen in the 'alternative media'. Often cited in this connection:

* DemocracyNow!,
* FAIR, Nation,
* PBS or
* truthout.org.

It not only helps as a gatekeeper distraction from 9/11, it also helps to increase the limited hangout agenda for the political theatre.


However the role of the NSA for both 9/11 'plotline' and 'military operation', but also 'disinformation front' and 'surveillance industry' regarding 9/11 'activists' is much more important.


It wasn't the CIA, but apparently the NSA with their most advanced high tech, which really was in charge of the so called "9/11 plotline".

However the official 'plotline' of 9/11 had nothing to do with the military operation.

The 'plotline' of 9/11 helped as most important distraction, even still in 2006.

While the 9/11 perpetrators used the CIA as helpful distraction idiots, the NSA knew exactly who observed whom
in the 'plotline' and when the 'military operation' would take place:

"Tomorrow is Zero hour" (September 10th, 2001)

BENS

The alleged suspects of 9/11 met next to Fort Meade.

Also, it was ex-NSA agent Linda Mills (BENS), who lived in the same city as some of the alleged suspects of 9/11.

And BENS helped creating the Tail to Tooth Commission, an important tool for the neocons and PNAC.

BENS is located in front of the White House (1717 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20570).

Chairman Stanley A. Weiss is a member of the Advisory Board of RAND's Center for Middle East Public Policy, a member of the CFR and writes for Journal sentinel.

Members of BENS are also:

* Norman R. Augustine (Director Lockheed Martin),
* avid S. Browning (Vice President of Schlumberger),
* Daniel H. Case, III (Chase),
* Rudy de Leon (Senior VP, Boeing),
* Victor Ganzi (The Hearst Corporation),
* Richard Grasso (New York Stock Exchange),
* Frank W. Jenkins (SAIC),
* Paul V. Lombardi (President and CEO of DynCorp),
* Stephen T. McClellan (Merryl Lynch),
* Philip A. Odeen (TRW),
* Peter G. Peterson and Stephen A. Schwarzman (Blackstone Group).


Significantly, all these companies have extreme close ties with particular elements of '9/11 research', some of them also
represent distractive issues like 'put options', 'war', 'media control' or 'oil industry'.

The "military operation" of 9/11 therefore also included a P.R. and media operation and was a close cooperation with their very own private military- and intelligence contractors:

AMEC

AMEC renovated the wedge of the Pentagon, which 'coincidentally' was attacked on Sep. 11th.

Then also AMEC was in charge to remove the rubble of the Pentagon, but also from Ground Zero.

Among other contractors: Tully Inc., which subcontracted Controlled Demolotion Inc.
(* see also http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/fo...wtopic.php?2173

The AMEC-Turner-WTC 7 connection)

HONEYWELL
Honeywell produced the cockpit recorder, which was officially found in Shanksville. Two Honeywell employees 'followed' the Colgan Flight of 'Mohammad Atta'.

WESCAM

A high tech military camera system (meanwhile belonging to L3 Communications), installed on an unidentified and prepositioned helicopter, which filmed the only available "live" footage of the 2nd attack.

This 'footage' was then exclusively wired to W-ABC (ABC7) which synched their final camera operator position feed 11 seconds (!) before the 2nd attack took place, with CNN, FOX and NBC. (CBS had no 'live aired footage')

Also, it was the hangar of the NASA (NASA Glenn Research) in Cleveland, where unidentified passengers of two U.S. flights (among them Delta 1989) had been interrogated by the FBI.

Strangely "Delta 1989" was only forced to land in Cleveland, because it had the same flight pattern as "United175", officially hijacked on that morning.

Oddly also the other flight was early identified as "United93",
confirmed by Mayor Michael R. White and 9News Staff (Liz Foreman),
which later denied the accurancy of their story.

The CIA was also used as a distraction for the 'limited hangout' to divert not only attention away from the NSA but also NRO and NIMA (later renamed into NGA).

The National Imagery and Mapping Agency was also known as "the 'eyes of America'

On August 8th, 2001 (two days after Bush received a new PDB with a clear warning on Bin Laden), James R. Clapper was announced as new head of NRO.

The countdown for 9/11 continued.

These 3 intelligence agencies had been already in charge during the mid 90s to develop a so called 'secret surveillance project', closely also linked to former Reagan's "Star Wars", which was in reality well known, even for U.S. Congress:

CHELON and PROJECT TRAILBLAZER.

During 1998/1999, under Bill Clinton, the NSA and NRO handed out their first contracts of "Trailblazer" to almost a dozen of less known private military- and intelligence contractors.

In the same years, controversy breaks out over the NSA "Echelon" project. U.S. Congress 'figured' a problem with Echelon and looked into it.

However in 1999 both General Hayden (NSA) and George Tenet (CIA) neither denied or confirmed the existance of Echelon and their sub contractors.

If they would have confirmed the existance of Echelon and its sub projects, noone would have believed into negligence on the morning of Sep11th.

The denial was therefore most important, because 9/11 was already in planning.

In March 2001, Logicon TASC officially announced their five-year,
$57 million contract for "Trailblazer".

'Logicon' was in reality a team of others:

"Logicon Task Team", part of Northrop Grumman, included Veridian (in 2003 aquired by General Dynamics),Advent Systems Inc., Mountain View, EDS, Advanced Engineering & Sciences, RDR Inc., SRS Technologies.

Another subcontractor of Logicon TASK (diff. sp.) became Modern Technologies Corporation (MTC) of Dayton.

MTC included Kenneth A. Minihan (ex-NSA, ex-DIA) and General Lawrence A. Skantze (ex -U.S. Air Force).

(http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1074
The lost terror drill- Pt.11 B )

Veridian includes Neil Armstrong (former space missions during 60s).

This brings us also directly to a popular example for an infiltration hipothesis of the 9/11 "truth" movement:


Neil Armstrong's sister is married with Jack Hoffman, who is interestingly the uncle of '9/11 author' Jim Hoffman, recently again accused as disinfo provocateur
(against the "Loose Change" people).

Hoffman's former institute is sponsored by the NSA, NSF and ONR (Office of Naval Research)
http://www.msri.org/people/staff/jim/
http://www.msri.org/sponaff/Support_Federal

After Jim Hoffman plagiarized his 'wtc7' research from the '9/11 science and justice alliance', he oddly turned into a so called "planehugger" (supportive of the idea that a plane crashed into the Pentagon,
in Shanksville and into both Twin Towers)

Back to 'Trailblazer':
Some parts of this program had been also developed in the very same wedge, which was attacked on 9/11.

The 'Pentagon attack' not only 'wiped out' the Office of Naval Intelligence, but also three employees of James Woolsey's Booz Allen Hamilton.

Woolsey (ex-CIA director and PNAC)'s company was working on "Trailblazer".

Also killed were two employees from BTG Inc., another sub contractor of Trailblazer.

Only 10 days after Sep11th, BTG Inc. was suddenly purchased by Woolsey's other former company, Titan Corporation.

Needless to say, Titan was another main contracter of Trailblazer
since 1998 (contracted by both NSA and NRO).

Coincidence?

What "role" did the NRO really play?

The NRO is main suspect among some '9/11 truthseekers' for the Pentagon attack, with the cover of a live terror exercise drill on the morning of Sep. 11th. Again, this also helped to re-establish the myth for an alleged commercial aircraft at the Pentagon.

A terrorist drill which was "cancelled", but in reality took place but didn't include a real plane either.

When the importance of the pre 9/11-terror drill research in general became more popular (among them also the terror drill exercise for the anthrax attack during June 2001, "Dark Winter"), 9/11 research frauds had to establish another plagiarization and distraction:

The so called "wargames-focus" and the alleged "Cheney mastermind" role was therefore created to divert attention away from the terror drill run-up for 9/11, and build yet another limited hangout.

Once again, the 9/11 truth movement was fooled and still is, because most of the 'wargame activists' ended up as 'peak oil fanatics' or started to talk about 'global warming' or 'alternative energy'.

Coincidence?

Not if you know, who and why these distractions had been scripted into this movement.

It helped to delay and later control the activists of the "controlled demolition".

It helped to either discourage or depress many 'activists' in general
or keep them busy with false hope campaigns.

And it helped to distract from NSA, NGA and NRO.

The researcher who found out about all this, was labelled
as "erratic". All other supportive associates labelled as 'wackos' or 'insane'. Case closed. But that was 2003/04.

Why is the NRO much more important than the CIA?

The NRO was established in 1960 to develop the nation's revolutionary satellite reconnaissance systems. It was endorsed by Dwight D. Eisenhower in February 1958 after the Soviet Union launched Sputnik, the first orbital satellite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office

The existence of the NRO was declassified by the Deputy Secretary of Defense, as recommended by the Director of Central Intelligence on September 18, 1992.

The Director of the NRO is appointed by the Secretary of Defense
with the consent of the Director of National Intelligence, without confirmation from U.S. Congress.

(In July 2005 Donald M. Kerr was approved as new Director of the NRO)

In late 2001, "Trailblazer" (just another sub project and codename of Echelon and others) was integrated into "Misty". The information was still 'classified'.

Finally during December 2004, the so called 'classified' project, popped up in U.S. mainstream media.

Now described as "controversial spy satellite program" or "stealth satellite program", it was debated by some U.S. congress members, among them Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon.

Finally General Michael Hyden (NSA) somehow confirmed, that this 'spy satellite program' was a cooperation between the NGA (National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency), the NSA and NRO.

Hyden also confirmed, that Lockheed was then picked as one of the main contractors for this Satellite Surveillance program.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/041212-misty.htm

On December 8, 2004, Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia,
the senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, "complained" ... that the spy project was "totally unjustified and very, very wasteful and dangerous to the national security."

Rockefeller and three other Democratic senators - Richard Durbin of Illinois, Carl Levin of Michigan and Ron Wyden of Oregon - refused to support this 'secret project'.

It took only 3 weeks to kill the debate and approve the project.

It was the result of an officially labelled 'natural disaster':

The Sumatra-Andaman earthquake, followed by a series of tsunamis throughout the Indian Ocean, killing large numbers of people and devastating coastal communities in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand, and elsewhere.

Meanwhile, noone in U.S. Congress, especially 'since Katrina' argues about any 'satellite surveillance threat' anymore.

While so called 'weather modification theorists' are getting accused as 'paranoid' and/or 'without any evidence', the coincidental timing of these events should make some people think, especially since U.S. Congress already debating two Weather Modification Bills.

Meanwhile also Hayden has the guts to claim, "had this program been in effect prior to 9/11, it is my professional judgment that we would have detected some of the 9/11 al-Qaida operatives in the United States, and we would have identified them as such.."
http://www.lawandterrorism.com/civil_liberties/

But eco-, human right- and civil right activists are not getting the bigger picture, because the fundings of their biggest groups are already controlled by globalists -since decades! They rule the agenda, they rule the topics.

And if it comes to NSA, only superficial topics are allowed to debate or instrumentalize, often also to manipulate the idea, that democracy still exists in the U.S.

And if it comes to e-voting machines, wannabee activists ignore military and intelligence influence into the production of these machines, supervised by Pentagon and NSA contractors
like SAIC, Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed-Martin, Accenture (formerly a spin-off of ENRON's Arthur Andersen) and EDS.

But does that mean, all other, less organised media activists are having the better strategy?

The irony is, that also the majority of so called independent 'activists' and 'researchers' share another thing in common: Their ignorance on google.

While many 'truthlings' praying 'google' as the holy grail for their 'breakthrough' for 9/11-research and community creations, it's more than clear, that Google operates as yet another NSA- and NASA
front, with the only purpose to profile their users worldwide via cache results, 'google desktop', 'google calendar' and 'google earth'.

The facts are:

Google works openly with ex-NSA employee Matt Cutts (since 2000).

Google works together with the NASA.

In April 2004, google acquired one of the companies in which CIA firm In-Q-Tel invested, @Last Software. Google already acquired Keyhole, Inc., which was developed by In-Q-Tel as well.

The CIA doesn't care about all this?

It should therefore noone surprise, why noone wants to buy google.If it belongs to the NSA, it will be impossible.

The 9/11 truth movement community and many other false oppositions are played by the NSA.

Should THAT discourage us? No, it shouldn't. Because we altogether still have the same chance on this very same cyber chess board.

It depends on which figure you're playing at which time.

The real tools are the 9/11 truthlings. They're also not the real "googlers". They will not find any real clue about what's going on.

As long as the truthlings run the show, the NSA doesn't care about more serious 'google activists and -researchers'.

Instead they focus on the 9/11 truthling sheeple:

The NSA know every step of them and therefore sending from time to time new alleged false hope campaigners and gurus into this 'movement'.

Whether it was ex-CIA firm In-Q-tel 'negotiator' Karl Schwarz or Mike Ruppert (who himself even claims, both parents worked for the NSA).

It still works: A real "truthling" never questioned their 'leaders'.

And that's why General Hayden will most obviously BECOME head of the CIA, surely after some fake debates between the democratic- and republican party, in case they won't find someone better, who once worked for NSA, NRO or NGA.

And maybe also the one or other 9/11 truthling might point out,
that the NSA knew about 'zero hour'. But since this is already yet another poisoned meme, this truthling might deceive another truthling to buy a book by Paul Thompson.

Meanwhile, the reorganisation of the U.S. Intelligence Apparatus is almost done.
http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.24213/pub_detail.asp

"...The first was the stacking of too many responsibilities
on the director of central intelligence (DCI), with insufficient statutory powers.

The second was the Defense Department’s ownership of the national intelligence agencies (the National Security Agency [NSA], the National Reconnaissance Office [NRO], and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency [NGA]).And the third was the FBI’s control of domestic intelligence, or in other words, the absence of a U.S. counterpart to Britain’s MI5 or Canada’s Security Intelligence Service..."


Welcome back to the Matrix.

The deceptions and 'distractions' throughout all false oppositions do still work. Don't worry about it. There will be always another 'zero hour'

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/fo...wtopic.php?2890
jimiray
They Let it Happen

Tj Templeton

March 12, 2005



Let's face it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the evidence together. They Let it happen. 9-11 was not only preventable, but allowed to happen.

Let me begin by asking a question: If you were President of the United States on September 11th, would you initiate an investigation to determine what security lapses had occurred to allow such a tragedy to unfold? Of course you would. The only reason you would try to prevent an investigation is if you had something to hide. If your house was broken into and your family murdered, would you ask the police to not investigate and try to block the investigation? NO. Unless you were somehow involved. How could anyone not wish to investigate what had allowed the 9-11 attacks to transpire?

This is exactly what George W Bush did. The Bush administration tried to prevent the formation of the 9-11 committee.(1) Why would the president not feel it was necessary to investigate this? George W. Bush tried to prevent the 9-11 investigation from happening. When that fight was lost Bush tried to appoint Henry Kissinger to head the commission. After worldwide howls of outrage and plenty of conflicts of interest questions about Kissinger, Kissinger was replaced by Thomas Kean. Bush then took steps at every turn to hinder the investigators.(2) At times, Bush even prevented the committee from having access to their own notes.(3) He even tried to prevent his National Security Advisor from testifying. When he finally relented on that, he tried to prevent her from being required to testify under oath.(4) Why would you ever set standards for ones testimony to not include the promise to tell the truth unless the truth would somehow be damaging to your official story? Finally, Condoleeza Rice did testify under oath. Of course, we know how much that oath means to this administration. President Bush has appointed several people to prominent government positions who have already proven their willingness to lie to Congress. Appointing convicted felons to government offices is bad. Appointing convicted felons guilty of lying to Congress (5) is to spit in the face of the American people and a blatant display of the disregard this administration has for our very democracy, Congress, Constitution, and the rule of law.

Of course, not everyone who testified was required to swear to tell the truth. Similar to the hemming and hawing over getting Rice to testify, George Bush and Dick Cheney were quite a pair. First they said they wouldn't testify. Eventually they gave in and agreed to testify only under certain conditions: only in secret, only in the company of each other, and (of course) without swearing to tell the truth. only in secret, only in the company of each other, and (of course) without swearing to tell the truth. (6) Word was never released if George was actually sitting on Dick's lap, but I have my suspicions. Is this the behavior of two men who have nothing to hide and have the best interest of the country at heart?

When George Bush was appointed to the Presidency, one of his first acts was to demote and reassign the man that President Clinton had promoted to a cabinet level position as terrorism czar. Under the Clinton presidency, this man, Richard Clarke, held weekly cabinet level meetings specifically on the threat of Osama Bin Laden. Those meetings we subsequently cancelled and Dick Cheney himself has been quoted as saying "Richard Clarke was kept "out of the loop".

Shortly before her performance for the 9-11 commission, (7) Rice wrote a March 22, 2004 column in The Washington Post (8) that said "No al-Qaeda threat was turned over to the new administration,". However, a January 25, 2001 memo penned by Richard Clarke (9) clearly states "We urgently need such a principals-level review on the al-Qaeda network" "We urgently need such a principals-level review on the al-Qaeda network" (9.5). Under oath, testifying before the 9-11 Commission, Condoleeza Rice claimed "...no one could have imagined planes being used a weapons..." (page 12) (10). We had a reference to the August 6th Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States". Rice referred to this as an "historical document'. We were led to believe that this was the only warning. It comes out now, that she was lying. Lying 52 times (11) over. Condi didn't disclose that they had, in fact, received 52 warnings (12) in the months leading up to September 11th. Yes, Condi lied under oath to a Congressional commission. With our knowledge of this administration's penchant for people willing to lie to Congress, it comes as no surprise that this National Security advisor who lied to Congress and oversaw the worst lapse of national security in the history of this country would now be promoted to Secretary of state.

So here we have an administration trying to prevent an investigation, stonewalling the investigators once the committee is formed against their best efforts, and outright lying under oath about having received 52 separate and specific warnings. What more could you possibly need?

How about a document signed by all of the people appointed to the top levels of the Whitehouse and Pentagon stating their agenda for invading and controlling the Middle east and their need for some sort of terrorist attack in order to facilitate the public support needed for such an agenda? Well, we have that too.

The Project for the New American Century was established in 1997 by Robert Kagan and William Kristol and funded by three foundations closely tied to Persian Gulf oil and weapons and defense industries. Calling themselves, "Neoconservatives" this small group of ideologues penned a Statement of Principles (13) outlining their plan for a New American Century wherein the United States, as the world's lone superpower would use its military might to topple regimes in the middle East and elsewhere that were unfriendly to U.S. corporate interests. On their website you can read their document Rebuilding America’s Defenses(14) ( .pdf format ). According to this document (page 52). "The process of transformation," the plan said, "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." American Free Press asked Christopher Maletz, asst. director of the PNAC about what was meant by the "need for a new Pearl Harbor"(15): "They needed more money to up the defense budget for raises, new arms, and future capabilities," Maletz said. "Without some disaster or catastrophic event," neither the politicians nor the military would have approved. The first leg of the PNAC imperialistic agenda was to secure the oil supply of the Middle East. As far back as 1998 The PNAC was pressuring President Bill Clinton (16) for the invasion of Iraq. Who belongs to this neoconservative think tank?
Dick Cheney Vice President
Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby Vice President Cheney’s former Chief of Staff and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs.
Aaron Friedberg Vice President Cheney’s deputy National Security advisor
Robert Zoelick US Deputy Secretary of State
Paula Dobriansky Undersecretary of State
Elliott Abrams Deputy National Security Adviser
Frank Gaffney Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
Fred C. Ikle Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
Eliot A. Cohen Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
Henry S. Rowen Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
William J. Bennett Presidential speech writer
Jeb Bush Governor of Florida
Paul Wolfowitz World Bank President
John Bolton Ambassador to the U.N.

So here we have the top levels of the Whitehouse, Pentagon, and diplomatic bodies appointed by a President who displays a blatant disregard for Congress and the rule of law, who belong to a powerful and well funded organization who's agenda centers around the necessity of a "new Pearl Harbor" to fulfill their agenda, letting our defenses down in the face of 52 warnings of an impending terrorist attack, lying about it before Congress and the American people. If this doesn't exemplify every bit of evidence you would need to assume that the 9-11 attacks were allowed to occur, I don't know what else you could possibly need.

On a personal note, I don't believe that The Bush administration had knowledge of just how bad the destruction of 9-11 would be. I believe that they probably assumed that the attacks of 9-11 would be more on the level of the attack on the USS Cole. I don't have any reason to believe this, but I need to believe it. Just as many people need to believe that the Bush administration wouldn't consider the loss of human life as the cost of doing business. Unfortunately, by our observations of the invasion of Iraq and the coup in Haiti, (17) we know that is not the case.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/let_it_happen.htm
Snuffysmith
A new video which purports to be surveillance video from the Pentagon Parking Lot is being released today after Judicial Watch pursued a court case to get its release. CNN discussed this video this morning, and will likely air it this afternoon. The government claims it didn't want to have it released until after the Massaoui Trial was concluded. It purports to put to rest "internet chatter" about whether Flight 77 in fact flew into the building. Stay tuned.
jimiray
Pentagon to Release 9/11 Security Video

1 hour, 9 minutes ago

The Pentagon said Tuesday it planned to release video images of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters building and killing 184 people in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The images, recorded by a Pentagon security camera, were to be released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a public interest group. The video had previously been leaked and publicly circulated, but this is the first time the government will have officially released the imagery.

The hijacked American Airlines plane slammed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m. EDT, shortly after two other hijacked airlines were flown into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York. The attack set off fires in a portion of the Pentagon and killed 125 people inside, in addition to those on board the plane.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060516/ap_on_...e/sept_11_video
Snuffysmith
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Sept...artner=homepage

Pentagon Releases 9/11 Security Video

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 16, 2006
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon on Tuesday released the first video images of American Airlines (NYSE:AMR) Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters building and killing 189 people in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The images, recorded by Pentagon security cameras outside the building, were made public in response to a December 2004 Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a public interest group. Some still images from the video had previously been leaked and publicly circulated, but this was the first official release.

The airplane is a thin white blur on the video as it slams into the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of gray-black smoke. One of the videos shows a Pentagon police car driving in the direction of the impact point shortly after the plane hit.


Traveling at an estimated 350 mph, the hijacked American Airlines plane plowed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m. EDT, shortly after two other hijacked airlines were flown into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York. The attack set off fires in a portion of the Pentagon and killed 125 people inside, in addition to the 59 passengers and crew and the five men who hijacked the plane at Dulles International Airport.


The Pentagon had previously refused to release the videos, saying they had been provided to the Justice Department as evidence in any criminal proceedings.


"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.


Cheryl Irwin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said families of the victims of the Pentagon attack were not consulted before the videos were released on the Pentagon's Web site.
Snuffysmith
You can see the video at the NYT link. I don't think its going to put an end to the debate. Just my two cents.
jimiray
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ May 16 2006, 01:51 PM)
You can see the video at the NYT link. I don't think its going to put an end to the debate. Just my two cents.
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I think you are correct there. Everyone is already saying that it's the same crap video of what was released before. And from what i have seen so far. I'd say that's right.
There are 80 or more videos........... Release them all. But even if it did show flight 77 hitting the Pentagon it's not proof that 9/11 wasn't an inside job.

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Magmak1
At my age, my eyes are not the most disciminating sensors they used to be, and that fact isn't helped by looking at a video in a thumbnail window.

This "piecemail" revelation process is very suggestive... If they are not hiding anything, why don't they simply release all of the evidence and information? If they are hiding something, why and what?
Magmak1
Snuffy's post above, from Nico Haupt, brings to mind this earlier "piece" by Nico which precedes and complements the one above. Nico is seen by some in the 9/11 world as a "disinfo" agent or shill, and Nico himself , in this piece below, says that Arkin offers up "limited hang-out" information ( a term left over from the Watergate era in which the "culprits" offer up a limited admission wrapped around information designed to throw investigators off the trail). It worked then, and it's being used now, though it's getting really difficult to tell who is who.
-- -- --

From the desk of Nico Haupt, here using his screen name of ewing2001:

http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...90.20#post_2962

05/12 Update
The privatized NSA "takeover"
-How NSA and NARUS spied on us between 1993 and 2001

By ewing2001

On Friday Michael Hayden defended the "secret surveillance programs" he oversaw while head of the National Security.

What noone writes about, this isn't just a cover-up of some violations of privacy, it is strongly also connected with the cover-up of BOTH 9/11 plotline and military operation of 9/11, which included more than just 'controlled demolitions', apparent 'TV fakery" and some missiles.

It was a logistical operation on how to establish a complete paradigm change on surveillance and profiling.

As many 9/11 researchers concluded, also already the first attack on the Twin Towers was a false flag operation. In the very same year, the new generation of the Internet was born. The navigation tool Gopher was soon to be replaced with a "web browser".

In hindsight, both 'events' look already as the beginning for the logistical intelligence plannings for 9/11, which also included a major spy operation
and overhaul of the military- and intelligent apparatus.

Let's take another look on the players, obviously very close to the real perpetrators of 9/11 and also one of the biggest profiteers since 9/11:



Mountain View

In the mid 90s Mountain View, CA became one of the most significant
cities for high tech companies, all closely associated with
private- and military intelligence:

Booz Allen & Hamilton
a global management and technology consulting firm

Global Graphics Software
a leading worldwide supplier of printing, electronic document
and workflow software

IntelliGenetics
bioinformatics, or computational molecular biology,
in 1993 Incorporation of Affymetrix to commercialize the GeneChip

NASA Ames Research Center

Sun Microsystems

Vitacom
satellite technologies


Mountain View should also become the main headquarter for "Google",
officially incorporated as a 'privately held corporation' in September, 1998

But most interesting is Narus (http://www.narus.com). Heaquartered also in Mountain View, CA, Narus also have offices throughout North America, EMEA (France, Germany, U.K.), Asia (Japan, Korea, China), and Brazil.

One of their partners is VeriSign, a company which is specialised in security and traffic analysis.

Verisign created iDefense in May 1998 and is provider
of security intelligence for the U.S. Ggovernment and other governments.


On Board of Narus is William P. Crowell, an independent security consultant.

After 9/11 Crowell has served on the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) Task Force on Terrorism and Deterrence, the National Research Council Committee on Science and Technology for Countering Terrorism and the Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the Information Age.

Less known is, that Narus also worked with the NSA, apparently right after the establishment of the first browsers for the internet (Mosaic, Netscape, both developed by Sun Microsystems)

Crowell actually had senior positions at the NSA, including Deputy Director of Operations and Deputy Director of the Agency.
http://www.narus.com/about/board.html

He was also director of RVison, a video surveillance technology company.
Crowell also served as a vice president at Atlantic Aerospace Electronics Corporation, now a subsidiary of Titan Systems.
http://www.arcsight.com/about_team.htm


Another Flashback:

On December 4th, 1981 by U.S. presidential executive order 12333, the NSA becomes a component of the Department of Defense. Headquarters for the NSA is at Fort George G. Meade, Maryland.

The origins of the NSA can be traced to an organization originally established within the Department of Defense, under the command of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA), on May 20, 1949.

Officially the NSA was created on December 10, 1951 and then
authorized in a letter written by President Harry S. Truman in June of 1952.
Truman's letter was itself classified and remained unknown to the public for more than a generation.

The NSA was embroiled in controversy concerning its involvement in the creation of the Data Encryption Standard (DES), a standard and public block cipher used by the US government. During development by IBM in the 1970s, the NSA recommended changes to the algorithm.

Also the NSA has the ability to file for a patent from the US Patent and Trademark Office under gag order.

Unlike a normal patent, the NSA's is never revealed to the public and never expires.

The NSA is also believed to be mainly responsible for, among other things, the operation of the ECHELON system, which has the ability to monitor a large proportion of the world's transmitted civilian telephone, fax and data traffic.

Less known than the directors of the NSA (once labelled as "no such agency"), are their Deputy Directors.

Since June 2000 that was William B. Black, Jr., formerly Director of Information Operations of SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation).

However since Black already worked for the NSA between 1959 and 1997, SAIC is also (without any confirmations) occasionally labelled as a front for the NSA.

Black became acting Director in 2005 when Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden left to become Deputy Director of National Intelligence.


In 1994, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act was established.

It appears now, that since then the NSA worked with the NARUS STA-like systems to spy on U.S. Citizens.

Though there are less indications, on when actually the NARUS/NSA cooperation started, it is clear, that it was years before 9/11.

As high tech researcher "constant" writes on constantpated.blogspot
http://tinyurl.com/npzg8 , "...NARUS discussed in 1999 with Oracle the concept of Semantic Traffic Analysis, two years before Sept 2001...

...it appears NSA contractors were brought into the nexus
to not only support this bill, but immediately move to develop IT
systems that would support the law enforcement. It remains to be
understood what happened between 1994 and Sept 2001.

...Given the 1994 legislation, it is not likely that the federal
government would:

# Use only one contractor

# Wait until 2001 to develop a system



"...It remains to be understood which other NSA contractors like Raytheon
and Lockheed Martin designed the ground station system to receive and
process data from systems other than AT&T and the NARUS STA 6400.


...Here is a sample conference:
To see the links between NARUS and law enforcement consider this link.
At the links you'll see well established organizations like the FBI, JTTF, various local law enforcements, and Booz Allen, winner of the big contracts in Iraq..."


As a matter of fact, yet another Director of NARUS is Andrew Kau, former management consultant at Booz, Allen & Hamilton.

"Constant" writes, that the US government knows that "its data mining isn't connected with a real threat. They knew full well who really placed the explosives
inside the WTC..."


For sure that's just Constant's opinion, but then there is also the case of Mark Klein. Klein worked for 22 and 1/2 years as an AT&T technician, first in New York and then in California.

In April 2006 Klein testified, what he observed first-hand:
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70621-0.html

"...In 2002, when I was working in an AT&T office in San Francisco, the
site manager told me to expect a visit from a National Security Agency
agent, who was to interview a management-level technician for a special
job. The agent came, and by chance I met him and directed him to the
appropriate people...

...I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job
was the person working to install equipment in this room.

The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room...

...In October 2003, the company transferred me to the San Francisco building to oversee the Worldnet Internet room, which included large routers,
racks of modems for customers' dial-in services, and other equipment...

...One of the documents listed the equipment installed in the secret room,
and this list included a Narus STA 6400, which is a "Semantic Traffic Analyzer".
The Narus STA technology is known to be used particularly by government intelligence agencies because of its ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets..."

"Civil Right groups" allegedly fight for the rights and privacy of U.S. Citizens,
but they're praying the official story of 9/11, which turns their 'fight' into a limited hangout.

Many specialized 9/11 researchers argue from their personal view, that "civil right activism" actually died on 9/11, and more symbolically on October 23, 2005, when Rosa Parks died.

There is no real 'civil right activist' right now alive.

While it was now "revealed", that shortly after 9/11, Verizon, AT&T Corp. and BellSouth Corp provided data for the NSA, can we really be sure, that this didn't happen already before 9/11 as well?

Verizon was already linked with U.S. military before 9/11.

Director Ivan G. Seidenberg formerly worked with Honeywell International Inc..

And AT+T is Lucent, another government contractor.

Meanwhile Lucent is trying to finish up a merger with french Alcatel, which should make the 'cooperation' with the NSA even more suspicious and possibly also difficult:

On Board of Alcatel is Jean-Pascal Beaufret, former executive in the French Ministry of Finance (Treasury). He was also in charge of government debt management and financial industry regulation (1988-1994).


Right from the beginning the Internet was well known as a military-government project, first developed as MILNET, then DARPANET, then INTERNET.

Immediately when browsers made the internet more popular, the main cause
was to promote "communities, profiling, datamining and monitoring"


The most popular community projects have all military- or intelligence background.

Ebay is run by Richard T. Schlosberg III, former graduate of the United States Air Force Academy. Schlosberg also was Chief Executive Officer of Euro Disney S.A.,
the parent company of Disneyland Paris, from 1993, and Executive Vice President of The Walt Disney Company (Europe) S.A., from October 1996.
http://investor.ebay.com/governance/bios.cfm

We will see the Internet-Disney connection more often.

Most important, in October 2002 Ebay took over PayPal, which is specialised for payment processing for e-commerce vendors and auction sites. In March 2002, two PayPal account holders separately sued the company for alleged violations of the Electronic Funds Transfer Act (EFTA) and California law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paypal


Paypal is also close to other "community" projects.

Former employees Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim, created the popular video community "YouTube".

Or "Yelp", a database of user reviews, mainly of restaurants and stores, but also of medical providers, automotive services, cultural venues, professional services, other websites, and the like.

Yelp was incubated by former PayPal employee Max Levchin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelp



Yelp receives money from Bessemer Venture Partners, which include companies like Halliburton subsidiary Ingersoll Rand, VeriSign, Veritas, and American Superconductor.

Verisign as we learned, is a partner of NARUS and another close military- and intelligent contractor. In 2000 they bought Network Solutions.


Then there is William A. Roper, Jr. Since April 2000, he has served as
Corporate Executive Vice President of intelligence contractor
Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC).

He also sits on the board of Verisign.
http://tinyurl.com/fxwxb

Or Robert J. Korzeniewski who also worked for SAIC between 1987 to 1996
http://tinyurl.com/ffzes

Or Aristotle Balogh, former employee of military contractor Westinghouse Electric Corporation, owner of CBS.



Then there is google, which openly works with ex-NSA employees together, but also the NASA.

They're not only several times allowed to buy sub projects from CIA venture capital firm In-Q-tel; also in November 2005, In-Q-Tel - issued notices to sell $2.2 million worth of Google stock!
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/02/22...s-intelligence/

It is pretty obvious, that Google had been providing assistance to the U.S. intelligence community since Day 1, when they got created in spooker city Mountain View, CA.

It therefore doesn't even need a confirmation, that google de facto at least "functions" as a NSA front.

While google and yahoo appear as competitors, there are occasional cooperations on development levels.

Yahoo lost their cute geek status a long time ago as well.

It's clearly also an intelligence- and somehow a 'military operation', because profiling is military power and power makes money.

Yahoo director Ed Kozel, previously worked at Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and SRI International.

Then there is the Walt Disney Connection again:

Terry Semel, formerly in charge of Walt Disney's Theatrical Distribution division.

Or Gary Wilson formerly director of The Walt Disney Company, where he worked for 15 years.

Disney also owns ABC Network, which is Capital Cities, created in 1954 by ex-CIA William Casey and since then belittled as CIA front as well.



Goss and the CIA 'scandal' -the latest

While it appears that the bribery and hooker scandal of the cIA is just a sideshow to distract from the MZM connections of Admiral Michael Hayden,
it's also interesting to see the background of ex-CIA (no.3) Kyle Foggo.

Today it was reported, that the FBI searched his home and office in Vienna, VA.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3860547.html

Foggo grew up in the San Diego, CA area, where at least 3 official suspects of 9/11 had been linked to: Khalid Almihdhar, Nawaf Alhazmi, Hani Hanjour.

According to Global Security, about one-fourth of total employment locally is due to the military.

It is not only connected with various Navy bases, but it also became home of high technology telecommunications and biotechnology, all linked with military- and intelligence contractors, i.e. the main headquarters of Titan Corporation or SAIC.


Why is it, that the 9/11 plotline is located in cities, where you can find more U.S. Intelligence employees than regular citizens?

On the morning of Sep11th, alleged 9/11 suspect Hani Hanjour and 4 other alleged suspects met in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA, Fort Meade.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from...ent/2033791.stm


9/11 suspects Waleed Alshehri lived on Orrin Street in Vienna, VA, three blocks from a CIA facility, but that is also the same city where ex-NSA Linda Mills resided, Director of the Markle Foundation's National Security Program. And that's also where Kyle Foggo lives?

Too many spooks neighbouring the alleged suspects of 9/11.


Millis, ex-CIA and ex-NSA was already working before 9/11 at Business Executives for National Security (BENS) on the establishment for the Homeland Security, together with the ANSER Institute.
http://www.markle.org/about_markle/who_we_...inda_millis.php
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...php?storyid=485

Coincidence, in awareness of alleged pending attacks or in clear knowledge
of U.S. orchestration of the attacks?

Linda Millis was married with John Millis, former Staff Director of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, who committed suicide in June 2000.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/pres...pr06062000.html

During early 2001 Linda Millis was working as the Deputy Chief of Cryptologic Services Group of the CIA, where she briefed the Deputy Director of Intelligence daily and contributed to the Presidents Bush Daily Brief.

Since 9/11, the NSA improved their profiling projects with help of U.S. Satellites, the Internet and their various affiliated community companies.

If civil right 'activists' allegedly complain about 'eavesdropping' or 'phone records', they don't tell you the truth.

It is more than obvious that civil right- and electronic watch dog groups are itself
infiltrated by U.S. military and intelligence, to have a limited hangout under control
and distract away from the 9/11 Inside Job issue, which they will never address.

Every NSA-"findings" in mainstream media are just the tip of the iceberg.

In September 2005, the NSA granted a Net location-tracking patent
http://news.com.com/NSA+granted+Net+locati..._3-5875953.html

It described a way to discover someone's physical location by comparing it to a "map" of Internet addresses with known locations.

One of the main competitors of this concept are Digital Envoy and Quova, a privately held firm, once again in Mountain View, CA.
http://www.quova.com/

One of Quovas partners is VeriSign. Ironically, when reported on some geek portals, Quova Vice President Gary Jackson wasn't even concerned:

"It's honestly not clear that there's anything special or technically advanced about what they're describing...I don't think it impacts us in any way..."

Maybe because the sponsors of Quova and NSA are working for the same clan anyway, an internationally operating U.S. consortium of meanwhile privatized military- and intelligence contractors and consulting agencies, among them SAIC and others....
http://www.saic.com/corporategovernance/bod.html#members

Quovas' Chief Financial Officer Jean-Louis Casabonne started his finance career at Lockheed Missiles & Space Company.
http://www.quova.com/page.php?id=24

This isn't a U.S. government affair anymore. It is also too far away to get hijacked again by gatekeeper politics.

U.S Intelligence is going to be replaced more on more with privatized intelligence and -military.

This was planned since the early 90s and the military needed a digital and military "Pearl harbour" for this.

The "setup" against the CIA was just the beginning.

Everyone who still believes, that there is any "negligence" within the NSA is a fool.

"tomorrow is zero hour" (September 10th, 2001 NSA)

Under the cover of NSA, NRO and NGA, the real perpetrators of 9/11 will continue
with one of the main goals for 9/11:

Winning the 'satellite space and surveillance war' against Russia and China.

(*this thread was also once again successfully linked from
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarnin...e_just_the.html

Arkin describes a list of some 500 software tools, databases, data mining and processing efforts contracted for, under deve still in the official story of 9/11. His credibility can be compared with a limited hangouter as well)

[ Edited Fri May 12 2006, 11:41AM ]

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Magmak1
From http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060516234149212
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May 16, 2006

911Truth.org Steering Committee

911Truth.org is disappointed that the Pentagon has released another video which does not clearly show a Boeing hitting the Pentagon. Despite the hyping of this release as offering 'definitive proof', we are surprised that this inconclusive video remained hidden to the American people for nearly five years.

Recall that www.Flight77.info documents two years of FOIA requests for “85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI” that pertain to the Pentagon strike. The site's proprietor, like the steering committee of 9/11truth.org, is hopeful that a release of this footage will show definitively that a plane hit the Pentagon so that distracting speculation about the Pentagon attack can cease. But today's video does nothing of the sort.

If the Pentagon and the Bush administration truly sought to offer clear evidence for the official story of the Pentagon strike, why would they choose to release images that resemble the previously released stills rather than the footage from the Sheraton, the Citgo gas station, or the Virginia D.O.T that presumably would show the events more clearly?

We will continue to relentlessly pursue a full investigation of the events surrounding 9/11 and seek justice for the victims, as clearly defined in our mission statement.

The 9/11 families were told by the 9/11 Commission that the Family Steering Committee's questions would be used as a roadmap for the Commission, and that their questions would be answered in the final report. Yet upon publication of the final report, it became clear that more than half of those questions had never been asked, let alone answered.

Furthermore, 9/11 widow Lori van Auken testified before hearings held by Rep. Cynthia McKinney in July of 2005 that the final report actually raised more questions than it had answered.

Some (like Fox News) who deride us for demanding a thorough, unbiased investigation attempt by doing so to shift the focus away from the valid concerns the family members and the 9/11 truth movement have sought answers to for more than four years. Others offer derision from ignorance. In both cases no useful purpose is served.

We hope the release of this video serves to refocus Americans’ attention on these unanswered questions. We also hope that the corporate media will cease equating all 9/11 skepticism with the claim that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. The credible challenges to the official story are multi-faceted and well-researched. All it takes is an effort to discover and report on them.

In this spirit, we call for journalists of integrity to turn their attention to the dozens of remaining unanswered questions surrounding the 9/11 attacks, many of which unfortunately support the view that elements within the government had foreknowledge of and may have been complicit in the attacks.

Journalists: For a comprehensive resource on the many paths into 9/11 research and activism, please visit
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050204132153814.

For a thorough analysis of the official version of the Pentagon attack, as well as a critical analysis of a few of the ungrounded theories being propounded by some, please see: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040810075752147

For a research archive of important essays and articles pertaining to 9/11 truth, please visit: http://911readingroom.org/bib/

Finally, for the most complete timeline of events associated with the 9/11 attacks, please visit: http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp...ect=911_project
Magmak1
from http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060516232408416

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New Tape Stirs Up 9/11 Conspiracy Theories: Pentagon Video Officially Released


The minute the Pentagon released images of the Sept. 11 attack on its building, the message boards at ABCNEWS.com lit up with conspiracy theories.

Some blame it on an inside job by members of the Bush administration to benefit their business interests. Some say it was planned by neoconservatives to advance their worldview. Others don't know what happened but doubt the official story put forward by the government.

The world of conspiracy theories surrounding the Sept. 11 attacks is vast, and more than four years after the worst terrorist incident on U.S. soil, countless scenarios are put forth on the Internet, in academic forums and on talk radio each day. Some are of the "MIHOP" variety, which claim people in power made it happen on purpose, while others are of the "LIHOP" kind -- they let it happen on purpose.

With Tuesday's release of video footage of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon building, an attack that killed 184 people on Sept. 11, questions rage again.

"It doesn't clarify anything -- I don't see a plane in that image," said Michael Berger, spokesman for 911Truth.org. "In fact, I thought that was underwhelming."

Berger said 911Truth.org "would like to see various conspiracy theories laid to rest as well" and does not believe the government has addressed "inherent contradictions" in evidence and testimony surrounding the events of that day.

"We would like to know what happened," he said. "Four-and-a-half years later, we still don't have definitive proof that a plane hit that building."

Berger said the group "has never said one way or another what happened at the Pentagon," but it did support the Freedom of Information Act requests that led to the Pentagon releasing the footage.

But 911Truth.org does believe Sept. 11 has been used as the "justification for broader policies," both foreign and domestic, he said.

Barrie Zwicker, a Canadian investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker and author of the upcoming book "Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11," said the video does not answer the question of how any aerial vehicle -- "a 757 or a missile or a fighter equipped with a missile or a fighter alone or a blimp or a Cessna" -- could make it to the "central headquarters of the greatest military power that ever existed."

"Even if it was a model airplane, for God's sake," Zwicker said.

He also questioned the timing of the video's release.

"For them to be releasing this video so late, why so late and why now?" he said.

Copyright © 2006 ABC News Internet Ventures
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ May 16 2006, 11:51 AM)
You can see the video at the NYT link. I don't think its going to put an end to the debate. Just my two cents.
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I watched it 4 times.

You can't really tell a thing that is happenning, other than some long white tubular object appears going from right to left, hits the building, and a big fireball goes up.

Can't tell if it's a plane or a missile.

That's the problem with security cams - - they are one or two frames a second.
jimiray
Maybe the pentagon should find out where McDonalds gets their security cameras.
wundermaus
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ May 17 2006, 06:03 AM)
I watched it 4 times.

You can't really tell a thing that is happenning, other than some long white tubular object appears going from right to left, hits the building, and a big fireball goes up.

Can't tell if it's a plane or a missile.

That's the problem with security cams - - they are one or two frames a second.
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useless (there must be other video of this event)
Arneoker
If the government didn't release this video because they were afraid of what it would show, apparently it doesn't show much of anything, so its release should have worried no one.

But then people will inevitably say that the video was doctored. Of course it could have been doctored a long time ago, even if they were taking their time, they could have released it after a few weeks. So saying that the government must have kept it under wraps because they were afraid of what it would show doesn't seem like a very compelling argument, one way or the other.

And people around here actually saw a plane going into the Pentagon, people commuting over the bridge between Virginia and DC. To say nothing of the plane wreckage around the Pentagon.
jimiray
QUOTE(wundermaus @ May 17 2006, 07:13 AM)
useless (there must be other video of this event)
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There are supposed to be 84 more videos. But.............what would it prove or dis-prove? It makes no difference to me whether or not a 757 hit the Pentagon. That has very little to do with 9/11 being an inside job. The military was "stood Down" on 9/11. They were fully aware that there were multiple hi-jackings in progress long before the Pentagon was hit.
Arneoker
QUOTE(jimiray @ May 17 2006, 09:23 AM)
There are supposed to be 84 more videos. But.............what would it prove or dis-prove? It makes no difference to me whether or not a 757 hit the Pentagon. That has very little to do with 9/11 being an inside job. The military was "stood Down" on 9/11. They were fully aware that there were multiple hi-jackings in progress long before the Pentagon was hit.
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At the very least I think that many of the 9/11 CT promoters have made a huge mistake in spending so much time on promoting the idea that a plane didn't really hit the Pentagon. It gives the impression that those promoting a CT theory will grasp any claim, not matter how poorly supported. And you cannot say that only a few advocates are pushing this idea, a high-profile book was written on this, which apparently was a best-seller in Europe. You keep hearing people pushing it, someone just called into Jerry Springer's show and said that he couldn't see how it was a plane.
Magmak1
One
basic
truth can
be used as
a foundation for
a mountain of lies,
and if we dig down deep
enough in the mountain of lies,
and bring out that truth, to set it
on top of the mountain of lies; the entire
mountain of lies will crumble under the weight of
that one truth, and there is nothing more devastating to a
structure of lies than the revelation of the truth upon which
the structure of lies was built, because the shock waves of
the revelation of the truth reverberate, and continue to
reverberate throughout the Earth for generations to
follow, awakening even those
people who had no
desire to be
awakened
to the
truth.


"DHS" posted this on the HaloScan comment section at http://www.911blogger.com/ .
Magmak1
More commentary about the recently-released Pentagon footage here:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/36342/
Magmak1
More from Daniel Hopsicker, the independent investigagtor and author of "Welcome to Terrorland: Mohammed Atta and the 9/11 Cover-Up in Florida"

The original, with graphics and embedded links, is here: http://madcowprod.com/ .
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WORLD EXCLUSIVE
May 16 2006--Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

A MadCowMorningNews investigation into the ownership of the DC9 airliner caught carrying 5.5 tons of cocaine in Mexico last month has uncovered explosive new details about some of the many lingering mysteries still surrounding the 9.11 attack.

San Diego defense contractor Titan Corporation, already implicated in the fraudulent bankruptcy of a shadowy St. Petersburg FL company which owned the DC9 "Cocaine One" flight busted in Mexico, employed a Lebanese contractor who assisted Mohamed Atta and other terrorist hijackers in Venice, Florida.

For Titan, the revelation marks the latest in a remarkable series of recent scandals, including employees charged with torture and rape at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, a record $26 million fine and conviction for fixing a Presidential election in the African nation of Benin, and growing infamy for being the biggest money backer of disgraced and soon-to-be-jailed former Congressman Randy “Duke” Cunningham.

The story begins when, while researching “Welcome to TERRORLAND” three years ago, we discovered that Makram Chams, a Lebanese national, had provided significant logistical support for Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi.

Chams, we learned, had even entertained recently-convicted Zacharias Moussaoui in his apartment in Venice.


Breaking news from the forest where no one's around

Makram Chams owned a Kwik-Check convenience store in Venice, where the biggest overseas money transfer to the terrorists, $70,000 from the UAE., was sent, according to the testimony of FBI agents during the 9.11 Commission hearings.

Actually the FBI testimony never mentioned Chams, or his store.

They did however show the receipt for the money order at the final hearing of the 9.11 Commission, which we attended. And we were already familiar with the address where the money order went: 201 Nokomis Avenue.

Makram Cham's Kwik-Chek... Strangely, Chams left town soon after the 9.11 attack, abandoning a thriving convenience store which has stood vacant ever since.

In a story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune, reporter Earle Kimel, who first broke the story of Mohamed Atta’s American girlfriend, Amanda Keller, called Chams' abandoned store “A pocket of urban blight in the otherwise smartly tailored suit of downtown Venice.”


Just another freak coincidence?

An understanding of what Makram Chams had been doing while in Venice--and for whom--had eluded us, and been one of our biggest unanswered questions, one which might shed light on whether the U.S. Government possessed guilty foreknowledge--or even culpability--in the 9.11 attack.

Our search for Chams had been unsuccessful. No one knew where he was, or why he'd left. But now Chams has re-surfaced in Saudi Arabia, where he worked in an unlikely capacity: as a contractor for American defense firm Titan Corp.

News of Makram Chams' current whereabouts came to us when a researcher recently sent this addendum to Titan Corp’s 2005 SEC filing:

“On March 14, 2005, Makram Majid Chams, a former consultant of Titan filed a claim with the Preliminary Committee on Labor Disputes Settlement in Saudi Arabia. Mr. Chams alleges that Titan wrongfully terminated his consulting agreement and that he was defamed by Titan's publication in a local newspaper of a mandatory notice that he is no longer representing Titan. The plaintiff is seeking approximately $21.9 million in damages. We intend to defend our position vigorously.”

Was the man suing Titan in Saudi Arabia, “Makram Majid Chams,” the same "Makram Chams" who'd lived in Venice?


Only a dunsky could doubt it

The answer was 'yes.' A marriage announcement in the Sarasota Herald Tribune from January of 1998 gave us the full name of the Makram Chams who'd lived in Venice, identical to the name of the man suing Titan in Saudi Arabia.

“Makram Majid Chams,” said the announcement, had married “Rim Ghazi Abou Zein, both of Venice.”

The news was nothing short of astonishing. The man who'd assisted terrorist hijackers in Venice...working for an American defense contractor in Saudi Arabia? What was Chams doing for The Titan Corp? What made him think they owe him $22 million dollars? And most importantly...

Was Makram Chams already working for Titan while in Venice?

While we didn’t know the answers to any of these questions, one thing we did know was that Bob Woodward would not be on the case. The major media steered completely clear of stories about what was clearly the biggest 9.11 crime scene that wasn't reduced to rubble: Venice, Fl., home to three of the four terrorist pilots.

We decided to take a closer look at Makram Chams.


Hangin' with the 'Mak Jack' Attack

A Venice Yellow Cab driver, Bob Simpson, first told us that the Middle Eastern man who owned the convenience store had been close to the hijackers, and that Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi frequently met at an apartment in Venice which he rented. (Watch him talk about it.)

Simpson had been questioned closely by the FBI three days after the Sept. 11 attack. “I heard a voice say ‘this is Special Agent Joe Anderson from the FBI calling,’” he told us. “My heart sort of skipped a beat. Then he said, ‘Don’t worry, you haven’t done anything wrong.’”

“He asked if I’d seen pictures of the terrorists, and if I had, wanted to know if I recognized any. I said yes, I recognized Mohamed Atta. I’m the day driver for Yellow Cab in Venice, and he was in my cab a bunch of times in August,” cabbie Simpson explained. “The night driver had him even more than I did.”

Simpson picked up Atta at the convenience store owner’s apartment on several occasions. He told the FBI he had been asked to drive to Orlando by a relative of the Middle Eastern man who owned the convenience store.

“Their (the terrorists) best friend used to live upstairs on the second floor,” stated Simpson, pointing to the Burgundy Square Apartments in downtown Venice. I saw Atta and Al-Shehhi there.”

“They were always hanging out together at the store. Most of the time, I’d be called by their friend, or they would call saying pick them up there at the market.”


Dead eyes then, Dead everything now

That the terrorist hijackers spent much time hanging out in Makram Chams' Kwik-Check was independently confirmed by numerous observers, including a local psychiatrist who contacted us recently.

“Nokomis Ave runs right behind the hospital in Venice,” stated the psychiatrist. "Each day as I left the hospital for the office I'd head north on Nokomis. At the corner of Nokomis and Miami there was this little (Kwik-Chek) convenience store run by middle-eastern types.”

“Half the time I'd be late for the office and I'd stop in there and grab something awful for lunch. A woman and a large man were usually behind the counter. Some days I'd go in there and no one would be behind the counter but there would be loud talking in the back.”

“A few times I saw Atta in there, hanging around. Once I made eye contact with him—dead on! Emphasis on "dead" because when we locked eyes a chill went through me and I thought: "He's got 'dead' eyes."

“When you become a shrink you sometimes get attuned to what might be going on with a person just from seeing how they look—their faces and eyes—on the street or in public. The chill I got when I saw Atta was not the chill of fear. It was a chill about how sick he looked. He looked to be one of the most depressed persons I'd ever laid eyes on.”

“He looked so depressed that it was as if he was already gone. In retrospect I feel he may have been just as happy to die for the sake of ending it all as he was to die for Allah.”

“A couple of weeks after 9/11 the convenience store closed up,” stated the psychiatrist, who has since moved out of state. “I was down there last summer visiting the old psych unit crew, nurses and staff, at a yearly reunion at Sharkey's, and the store was still closed up. I found a reference to the store on the TERRORLAND website, and it got me thinking.”

“I wish I'd paid more attention back then… but who knew?”


Who was the Saudi in Armani and shades?

Cabbie Simpson told of how he had picked up a wealthy Saudi businessman at the Orlando Airport after picking up the convenience store owner at the apartment in Venice. The FBI expressed interest in the rich Saudi, he said.

“They were especially interested in a rich Saudi guy that I’d been sent to pick up at the Orlando Airport. They said they already knew that he'd ridden in my cab because they’d gotten my cab number from a surveillance camera at the airport.”

“He flew in on a private jet, and was dressed in Armani and shades, with his wife, who wore traditional Arab clothing. After clearing international customs, they proceeded back to a Venice apartment rented by the convenience store owner.

Six weeks later, he drove the wealthy Saudi's wife back to the Orlando Airport, Simpson told the FBI. Again they left from the convenience store owner's Venice apartment. When he arrived to pick up his fare, Simpson was asked to come up to the apartment to help carry a chest down to the cab.

“The chest was so heavy it took two people to carry,” Simpson said. "A big bald guy who was there helped me carry the chest down.” The man who helped him carry the chest down the stairs to the cab, said Simpson, was Zacharias Moussaoui.


A fungible commodity useful everywhere

Cabbie Simpson had been so clearly impressed with how heavy the chest had been that we too were intrigued. We called a man we knew to have worked for many years in American intelligence to ask what he thought made the chest so heavy.

“Gold,” he replied immediately. “There was gold in that chest.”

The identification of Moussaoui in Venice confirmed what we had reported exclusively nearly four years ago, when we learned that the second Dutch national flight school owner at the Venice Airport, Arne Kruithof, was questioned for two days by officials taking depositions from potential witnesses in Moussaoui's trial.

Further confirmation of Moussaoui’s presence in Venice came much later from an unlikely and usually highly-dubious source: Rudi Dekkers.

Continuing the FBI cover-up about the terrorist’s activity in Venice, jurors in the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui were never told that Moussaoui had been there.

They did however, hear testimony which confirmed the allegation in “Welcome to TERRORLAND,” of a systematic cover up by the FBI of the fact that Venice was the terrorist’s main base of operations.


In February 2001, the jurors were told, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi had been spotted in Clearwater Florida flying a single-engine plane registered to Huffman Aviation...almost two months after the FBI’s official chronology states Atta left Venice and Huffman for good.


Ask Jack how Gus Boulis became "Abramoff-impaired"

We had initially thought that Makram Chams was probably an Arab operative sent in early to smooth the way for the hijackers.

Then we discovered that Chams had been a PARTNER in 1997 and 1998 in a gambling boat called “Vegas in Venice,” which cleaned up in Venice for two years.

This information only added to our puzzlement. We wondered: Where does an immigrant, bootstrapping himself up in America through the time-tested method of owning a convenience store, get the JUICE to be a partner in a gambling boat?

People kill to get jobs like that in Florida.

Just ask Jack Abramoff.

The controlling partner in the gambling ship in which Makram Chams was a partner is Ian Goldfarb, from Gladwyne, Pa., a suburb of Philadelphia.

The only other local partner in the casino ship, we were shocked to discover, was Max Burge, who we’d interviewed during research for “Welcome to TERRORLAND,” because Burge owned the planes used at Huffman Aviation.

Small world. But it soon got even smaller…

Frederic Geffon from “Royal Sons,” the aggravated part-owner of “Cocaine One,” told us that he had done business with Burge.


The San Diego FBI: Confidential informants you can trust!

Royal Sons had used the address of Huffman Aviation’s hanger at the Venice Airport in a few airplane ads. This is inexplicable, at least it is to Royal Son's Frederic Geffon, who denies ever placing plane ads with a Venice Airport address. His denial rang a little hollow with his claim that anyone could have placed ads claiming to be him.

Possible, perhaps. But also, we think, highly unlikely.

We finally found someone who knew what had happened to Makram Chams. It was his sister, May Chams. She was then working at the same pharmacy in Venice where we discovered, much later, that Mohamed Atta had brought his father, less than two weeks before the attack. We persisted in questioning May, in the face of her obvious hostility, and were finally rewarded.

“Mak is in San Diego," she told us,"helping the FBI.”

Only now does her statement make sense to us. But, if Makram hotfooted it to San Diego on “business” after the 9.11 attack, it would be a strong indication that he had a relationship with Titan Corp... while he was still in Venice.


Compromise current operations at your peril

It has since been revealed that Titan trains mercenaries, and provides mercenaries for operations. Current operations. Ongoing operations...

Disclosures in the Duke Cunningham scandal lead directly to Titan. Before it is done, this may present someone with some very thorny problems.

As a result of our investigation so far, for example, we will be reporting in our next story that by delving into the relationships between the corporations involved in the 5.5 ton cocaine caper we have been able to uncover evidence of the unmistakable presence, behind the scenes in the scandal, of Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi...

The very same Adnan Khashoggi who has been a force behind a well-financed disinformation campaign billing itself the “9.11 Truth Movement.”

The U.S. military has 1200-man psychological warfare battalion, we learned recently. They probably aren't all working in Iraq. In all likelihood, a psy-op has been waged against the American people to draw attention from questions about who the terrorists were associating with--and what they had been doing--while they were in the U.S.

Questions with answers.

Someone would prefer they not become public.

But you won't find much about any of this on the innumerable websites of the “9.11 Truth Movement." Most seem to be utterly fascinated currently with speculation about materials which might have been secreted inside the Twin Towers which could have made them collapse.

They used to utterly fascinated with proving that no plane hit the Pentagon. Before that there were utterly fascinated with the idea that the planes were flown by remote control. And on and on.

Controlling the debate is easy when a billionaire is footing the bill.

Advantage Khashoggi.

But it ain't over till its over... And there's a DC9 sitting in Mexico tonight whose anxious owners know something about this powerful truth:

It ain't over.
Magmak1
An interesting post by Jon Gold in the HaloScan comments section under
one of the articles at http://www.911blogger.com/ :

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"Do you remember when Sibel Edmonds once said that it all ties together. That you could start at the Plame leak, and end up in the same place as you would if you started with 9/11?

Judith Miller was part of the White House Iraq Group. She was given special access to information in order to sell the Saddam/WMD fable in the New York Times.

Judith Miller was also involved in the Valerie Plame affair.

Judith Miller was also part of the Aspen Strategy Group. pSee http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6645 ]

"There are lesser-known facts about Zelikow's connections to the Bush Administration that are equally disturbing. For instance, in the early 1990s Zelikow directed the Aspen Strategy Group, members of which have staffed key positions in both the Bush and Clinton Administrations. Interestingly, Judith Miller, the former NY Times reporter implicated in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame, is another emeritus member of ASG. I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, indicted in October 2005 on a total of five counts of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury, wrote a cryptic letter to the jail-bound Miller that seemed both to reference Miller's association with the Aspen Group and to attempt to silence her before she testified before the grand jury:

"Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

Several prominent current and former Bush Administration figures are emeritus members of ASG, including Condoleeza Rice, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Armitage. It's an odd turn of phrase, one that seems to insinuate that to give evidence against Libby might implicate some of these other "aspens."

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See also http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5658 .


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Who is Judicial Watch? What can be determined about their funding, their recent history, their "track record", etc.? Who is running the organization, and what is their background?
jimiray
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Who is Judicial Watch? What can be determined about their funding, their recent history, their "track record", etc.? Who is running the organization, and what is their background?


According to this person from the Alternet link posted above.

Did a little research...not hard mind you..in this age of transparency ..no one can get away with anything for too long

As it turns out .. Judicial Watch is essentially funded by Donations from 3 independent foundations. These foundations also give large amounts of money to conservative think tanks. Two of the the three foundations are essentially the same foundation set up by Billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife (yes of the famous Mellons... Carnegie Mellon, tycoon etc.. ) he owes his fortunes to Banking, Aluminum, NewsMax media outlet and bum bum bum ... you guessed it Oil.

Scaife used his media outlet as well as donations to help start Judicial Watch in 1994 .. this was all an attempt to remove President Clinton from office for illegal fundraising activity.

The other foundation giving money to Judicial Watch is the John M. Olin foundation. Established by the owner of Olin Industries ...a Chemical and Munitions manufacturing business.. which at another point in time donated money to fund "studies" that argued for relaxing laws about concealed weapons.

This is the statement released from Judicial Watch:

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

Then i woke up.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/36342/
Magmak1
Seen elsewhere:

"Last week my friend and I hit a local bar while I was in my hometown area, and during the end of his karaoke he started talking about 911 saying it was an inside job and the guy cut his mic, so he took the other one and continued... LOL he actually got thrown out of the place after both microphones were shut off on him and he dropped one in disgust. People were cheering him."


Alright, here we go, coming around to the chorus... sing along with me now...

"You can get anything you want... excepting Alice."
Magmak1
Andy White
Professor Hoffman
English 101
April 26, 2005

The World Trade Center Dust

The immediate damage brought on by the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings both in property damage and the death of nearly three thousand people is a reality most people are aware of. However the attacks of September 11th were in effect a two tiered attack, a two headed snake if you will. Currently, the majority of the victims died on that fateful morning when the twin towers collapsed. But recently, first responders and construction workers who spent time at ground zero have begun to report illnesses related to the toxic dust that was World Trade Center One, Two, and Seven. The disintegration of the three World Trade Center buildings released an enormous amount of highly toxic dust which has caused health complications, birth defects, and death among the first responders, construction workers, inhabitants of New York City, and to babies whose mothers were exposed to the dust while pregnant.

When the Twin Towers collapsed they literally disintegrated. Just about everything inside the buildings was obliterated and turned into dust, humans included (particles of human bones have been found in the lungs of some firefighters). “Hundreds of thousands of pounds of lead, mercury, benzene, and dioxin were released into the air at levels above federal safety standards,”(Rayman. Firefighters said they didn’t find big chunks of concrete, human remains, furniture, office equipment, nothing, just dust, 30 foot sections of steel, and small pieces of rubble. The concrete was turned into very fine particles of dust along with all the computers, furniture, paint, fiber-glass insulation, glass, metal, paper, office materials etc. “A grim list includes lead from 50,000 computers, asbestos from the twin towers’ structures and dangerously high levels of alkalinity from the concrete,”(Shukman). This large quantity of poisonous dust quickly spread beyond the collapse zone and engulfed Manhattan in less than a minute. All of this matter was suspended in the atmosphere in the form of extremely poisonous dust, and was ingested involuntarily by thousands of people. “John Howard, director of the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, told the British broadcaster 30,000-50,000 people may have been exposed to WTC dust,”(Benton). People exposed to other individuals covered with this dust were also adversely affected. “A woman who cleaned the dust-contaminated shoes of office workers has asthma, glaucoma and spots on her body,”(Rayman). Samples taken from articles of clothing worn by individuals covered in the dust revealed extraordinary levels of toxins.

“The total element compositions of the dust samples reflect the chemical makeup of materials such as: glass fibers (containing silicon, aluminum, calcium, magnesium, sodium, and other elements); gypsum (containing calcium and sulfate); concrete and aggregate (containing calcium and aluminum hydroxides, and a variety of silicate minerals containing silicon, calcium, potassium, sodium, and magnesium); particles rich in iron, aluminum, titanium, and other metals that might be used in building construction; and particles of other components, such as computers, etc. Organic carbon in the dusts is most likely from paper, wallboard binder, and other organic materials. Possibilities include metals that might be found as pigments in paints (such as titanium, molybdenum, lead, and iron), or metals that occur as traces in, or as major components of, wallboard, concrete, aggregate, copper piping, electrical wiring, and computer equipment.”(USGS report) The amount of highly toxic materials is astonishing and was recorded as being 65 times normal level, the highest levels ever recorded. Rubble under Ground Zero burned for months straight, molten steel was reported under the wreckage of buildings 1, 2, & 7. This persistent fire continued to release poisonous toxins into the environment for months after the initial attacks. “The combination of high toxin levels with the heat from the fire created all the necessary ingredients to generate an unprecedented amount of carcinogens,”(Rayman). In this next quote we see clear evidence that the majority of these people suffered illnesses caused by breathing in the dust and other toxins. “About 75% of workers treated report persistent upper-respiratory ailments, such as sinus infections; 44% have lung complaints; and 40% have problems with mental health,”(Szabo). The Environmental Protection Agency, New York City, and companies that supervised the clean-up said the air was safe to breathe which subsequently led many people working at ground zero to decide against wearing a respirator. “A good number of New York firefighters didn’t wear protection. Jack Ginty said, workers would have taken more precautions had they known the dangers. People were asking, ‘Is this safe?’ … and we had the EPA saying, ‘Oh, yeah, it’s fine’, he said,”(Ruelas). Exposure to crystalline silica dust, such as concrete dust, can produce silicosis, a dust disease of the lung. Inhalation of dusts that contain crystalline silica has also been associated with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, bronchitis, tuberculosis, and lung cancer. “I wonder if in 10-15 years from now, am I going to be another victim?” (Benton). The fate of most of these people has yet to be decided and asbestos causes Mesothelioma, a cancer, which does not appear in its victims for as long as, or longer than a decade.

“The number of people with medical problems linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on New York has risen to at least 15,000, the BBC reported. That includes people suffering so-called “World Trade Center cough” from breathing Ground Zero dust,”(Benton). Rescue and construction workers continue to experience severe health problems, most notably what has come to be called the World Trade Center cough. Some of these workers were so damaged they could not return to work and had to retire. “Jeff Endean used to be the macho leader of a police Swat firearms team. Now, he has trouble breathing and survives on the cocktail of drugs he takes every day. Kelly Colangelo, an IT specialist, used to have good health but now endures a range of problems including allergies and sinus pain. Both are victims of what used to be called “World Trade Center cough”, an innocuous sounding condition that many thought would pass once the dust that rose from the attacks of 9/11 had blown away.”(Shukman) The World Trade Center cough may very well turn out to be a bigger killer than those who perpetrated the attacks.

When the construction started asbestos was used in roughly the first one third of the buildings, but was stopped from being used in the rest of the construction because of new regulations against it. All of this asbestos was of course still in the buildings when they collapsed (note that building seven was built in the 80’s and did not contain any asbestos). “Pleural Mesothelioma is an asbestos-related cancer with a median survival of 8 to 18 months,”(The New England Journal of Medicine, 2). Containment of asbestos is regarded as critically important and necessary in most industrialized countries, as it is recognized to cause cancer. “Unfortunately, among the millions exposed occupationally in the past who remain at high risk and the millions of those with less exposure who remain at finite but smaller risk, mesothelioma - with its decades-long latency - still looms as a dread possibility,”(The New England Journal of Medicine, 1). It is significant to note that hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars would be required to remove the asbestos from these buildings had they not been destroyed.

A whole range of birth defects among babies born to women exposed to the World Trade Center toxins while pregnant has been observed. “Air pollution from the World Trade Center attacks may have resulted in smaller babies among pregnant mothers who were in or near the collapsing towers, preliminary research suggests. Exposed pregnant women in the study faced double the risk of delivering babies who were up to about a half-pound smaller than babies born to non-exposed women,”(Associated Press). Five years have passed since the attacks and as these children grow older I suspect more illnesses will reveal themselves.

The attacks of September 11th were devastating in many different ways. Health problems among the volunteers working at Ground Zero surfaced soon after 9/11 and have begun to end those individuals lives. It is extremely important we as Americans research and fully understand the events of 9/11. Health problems and deaths related to September 11th continue to increase every day. This fact is under reported and understated. It is my belief that our government needs to be held up to scrutiny in regards to that world altering day and be held accountable for its actions and inactions.


Works Cited

Associated Press. “Smaller babies post WTC attack?” Associated Press Chicago Aug. 2003. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...ain566807.shtml

Benton, Charmain. “WTC dust blamed for illnesses, death.” United Press International April 2006. http://washingtontimes.com/upi/2...32508- 4118r.htm

Cullen, Mark R. “Serum Osteopontin Levels - is it time to screen asbestos-exposed workers for pleural mesothelioma?” The New England Journal of Medicine. 353. 2005: 1617-1618. Proquest. San Diego Mesa College Library. April 27 2006. http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb.

Pass, Harvey. “Asbestos exposure, pleural mesothelioma, and serum osteopontin levels.” The New England Journal of Medicine. 353. 2005: 1564-1574. Proquest. San Diego Mesa College Library. April 27 2006. http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb

Rayman, Graham. “Ground zero workers sue over toxic exposure.” Newsday. Sept. 2004. http://www.newsday.com/news/prin...yc-nynews- print

Shukman, David. “Problems mount from 9/11 fallout.” BBC News. 27 April 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...ure/ 4904188.stm

Szabo, Liz. “WTC dust is cleared of one danger.” USA Today. 27 April 2006. http://www.usatoday.com/news/hea...-wtc- dust_x.htm

USGS. “World Trade Center USGS bulk chemistry results.” U.S. Geological Survey Dec. 2005: 1-6. U.S. Department of the Interior. 27 April 2006 http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr...hem1/ index.html


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source: http://www.911blogger.com/ (HaloScan comment section, Thursday May 18th, under "What's The Truth" article on new video)

See also http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/index.html#Contents
Magmak1
Yet another video:

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=95

"What's the Truth?: Why Did the Twin Towers Collapse?"

QuickTime, iTunes podcast, or Windows Media

one hour, 26 minutes...
Magmak1
From http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/n...6UTSpeaker.html via 9/11blogger:

Doctor details findings of study on health of 9/11 rescue workers

By MELISSA TRESNER

Saturday, May 20, 2006

TYLER — More than 300 firefighters died trying to rescue victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. Hundreds more can no longer work as firefighters because they can't make it up a flight of stairs without wheezing.

Dr. Stephen Levin, the medical director of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, presented findings of a two-year study on the 9/11 responders Friday at the University of Texas Health Center at Tyler.

Levin said many of the responders, including firefighters, law enforcement officers, medical professionals, construction workers and utility workers, suffer from persistent respiratory illnesses because of the toxic particles they inhaled after the towers were struck by airplanes.

Musculoskeletal injuries from falls and falling debris plague responders almost five years later, he said.

His discussion touched on the psychological effects of the search and rescue and cleanup, as well. About 8 percent of the 1,100 initial patients seen at the Mount Sinai clinic expressed thoughts of suicide, Levin said.

From July 2002 through July 2004, Levin's clinic and other clinics in the area evaluated and treated almost 12,000 World Trade Center responders.

He began his presentation, which was part of a daylong "Current Occupational Health Issues" conference at the health center, by showing photographs of rubble, smoke and fires at ground zero. About 40 health care workers attended the conference.

"This picture was taken in the afternoon of Sept. 11. It looks like dusk because there's so much airborne materials. There was a tremendous release of pulverized construction materials," Levin said.

Pulverized cement and gypsum were the most harmful particles inhaled by responders, Levin said. Pulverized glass, asbestos, silica, acid mist (from burned plastic furniture and pipes) and heavy metals, such as lead and mercury, also were among the toxic inhalants at the site.

Cement particles were corrosive and burned the lungs, he said.

Levin showed another photograph of a line of firefighters crawling on top of debris toward a thick cloud of smoke.

"No one (in the photo) despite this haze of dust was wearing what we would call adequate respiratory protection," he said.

He said responders on the day of the attacks had no respiratory protection. On the second day, firefighters were issued masks, but many didn't wear the gear because it prohibited responders from communicating with the other rescue workers. Some workers didn't know how to use them.

Some people wrapped cloths around their faces, but that actually did little to protect them from inhaling fine particles, Levin said.

He said residents who lived near the site were exposed when they returned to their homes a couple of weeks later. Schoolchildren also have experienced health problems related to the debris.

Levin said he saw one patient, an emergency medical technician, who was training for a marathon before September 11. The man had never had respiratory problems until that day. He now has asthma.

Levin said the Environmental Protection Agency informed people that the airborne conditions were safe during the days after the attacks, but the results of Mount Sinai's study prove otherwise.

"Their air monitoring looked good, but we had sick patients. We're still following patients and still seeing high rates of respiratory problems. This problem is not over for that responder community," Levin said.
jimiray
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ May 19 2006, 06:02 PM)
Seen elsewhere:

"Last week my friend and I hit a local bar while I was in my hometown area, and during the end of his karaoke he started talking about 911 saying it was an inside job and the guy cut his mic, so he took the other one and continued... LOL he actually got thrown out of the place after both microphones were shut off on him and he dropped one in disgust. People were cheering him."
Alright, here we go, coming around to the chorus...  sing along with me now...

"You can get anything you want... excepting Alice."
*


Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant

Time to take the Garbage to the Dump now bigsmile.gif
tomhye
It's coming around on the guitar











It's still coming.
tomhye
and the meanest, nastiest father raper of them all sat down right next to me and asked
"What'd you get?"
I said "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay them $50 and pick up the trash.".
Magmak1
"Can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day
walkin' in singin' a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walkin' out.

And, friends, they may thinks it's a movement....

All you got to do to join is
sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar.

With feeling.

... I've been singing this song now [for four decades]. I could sing it
for another [four decades].

I'm not proud... or tired."
tomhye
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ May 21 2006, 04:05 PM)
"Can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day
walkin' in singin' a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walkin' out. 

And, friends, they may thinks it's a movement....

All you got to do to join is
sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar.

With feeling.

... I've been singing this song now [for four decades]. I could sing it
for another [four decades].

I'm not proud... or tired."
*


It still cracks me up!
graham4anything
Check out Officer Obie's date of death...ironic, isn't it???




A Tribute To
http://www.arlo.net/obie.shtml

Photo by Jim Bemiss


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Real Name:
William J. Obanhein

Birth Date:
October 19, 1924

Laid to Rest:
September 11, 1994

Occupation:
Police Chief
City of Stockbridge, MA



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The Runaway
Painting by Norman Rockwell


Picture from Newsweek
September 29,1969
Did you ever stop and wonder where you might be were it not for Officer Obie? After all, if it weren't for Obie, Arlo may not have written Alice's Restaurant. If Arlo never wrote Alice's Restaurant, would his career have followed the same path that it did? It's possible that it wouldn't have. And if Arlo never became "famous", this site would have probably not existed. And if this site didn't exist, you wouldn't be here right now! So who said that one person can't change the world! And we owe it all to Officer Obie...who probably had no clue of the repercussions of what he was doing at the time he arrested Arlo!
After arriving at the above conclusion of just how important Officer Obie really was, it saddened me to find very little information about the man. About the only account of Obie that I was able to unearth was the song Alice's Restaurant itself! This page is here to pay tribute to a man who changed and touched the lives of many people whom he probably never even met. So, the next time you sit down to a donut and cup of coffee, pause for just a moment...and remember Obie!

The following is paraphrased, rearranged and added to from an article by Linda Ellerbee:

We all know the story now (some of us by heart) of how Arlo was arrested by Officer Obie for littering. He had to pay a fine and pick up the garbage. Years later, when the arrest showed up on Arlo's record, he was, through the kind of bureaucratic silliness that only government can truely embrace, deemed unsuitable for military service. To paraphrase Arlo, they decided he wasn't fit to go to Vietnam and kill a bunch of people because he was a litterbug. It was a perfect story of the time.

Following the success of Alice's Restaurant the song, came Alice's Restaurant the movie in which both Arlo and Obie played themselves. Here was one cop who seemed to have a sense of humor, or at least a sense of proportion, about the late '60s version of American reality, which was not a pretty sight. If nothing else, he helped to blur the lines between "them" and "us" which was often needed at the time.

Officer Obie was a member of the Stockbridge police force for 34 years, and a model for several Norman Rockwell paintings and Saturday Evening Post covers. But, again, reality was something more, and less.

Ask the people of Stockbridge what Obie was like and you'll get answers like "Bill was a big-hearted fellow and a good cop." or "He was the patron saint of every dog in town; he never once enforced a leash law."

And then you hear that Officer Obie's life (and family) was touched by alcohol, divorce, and suicide. You learn that in 1985, he was forced into retirment after being accused of hitting another officer during a discussion about the unauthorized use of a police car. They say he was drinking at the time, but they don't say it loudly.

So which was the real Officer Obie? As with any of us, the reality of Bill Obanhein was not as easily defined; the man had parts to him. But the part most likely to be remembered is the gruf-voiced, warm man who could laugh at himself. The Officer Obie part. The Norman Rockwell part.



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jimiray
Warship built out of Twin Towers wreckage
By Tom Baldwin
In a shipyard in New Orleans, survivors of one disaster are building a monument to another

N A city still emerging from the floods of Hurricane Katrina, a ship has begun to rise from the ashes of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Bringing together America’s two great calamities of the 21st century, the USS New York is being built in New Orleans with 24 tonnes of steel taken from the collapsed World Trade Centre.

There is no shortage of scrap metal in New Orleans these days, but the girders taken from Ground Zero have been treated with a reverence usually accorded to religious relics. After a brief ceremony in 2003, about seven tonnes of steel were melted down and poured into a cast to make the bow section of the ship’s hull.

Some shipworkers say the hairs stood up on the backs of their necks the first time they touched it. Others have postponed their retirement so they can be part of the project.

One worker, Tony Quaglino, said: “I was going to go in October 2004 after 40 years here, but I put it off when I found out I could be working on New York. This is sacred and it makes me very proud.” Glen Clement, a paint superintendent, said: “Nobody passes by that bow section without knocking on it. Everybody knows what it is made from and what it’s about.”

The ship is being built by Northrop Grumman on the banks of the Mississippi. It should be ready to join the US Navy in 2007.

Later vessels in its class will include USS Arlington — named after the section of the Pentagon that was also hit by an airliner on September 11 — and USS Somerset, in memory of United Flight 93, which crashed in a field in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, on the same day as passengers struggled with al-Qaeda hijackers.

Mr Clement said it would be fitting if USS New York’s first mission was to capture Osama bin Laden. He said: “They hit us first, but out of a tragedy a good thing has come, in that we’re building a ship which can help take those people out.”

The $1 billion vessel is one of a new generation of amphibious assault ships capable of landing a 700-strong Marines assault force on a coastline almost anywhere without the need for a port.

Woody Oge, Northrop Grumman’s director of operations in New Orleans, was keen to play down suggestions that the ship might be used to spearhead invasions.

He pointed out that LPD vessels had been used as much for humanitarian assistance as for war. One such ship, USS Boxer, was dispatched to help to deal with the aftermath of Katrina.

Although the hurricane smashed its way through the shipyard last summer, the half-completed New York survived intact. The same cannot be said for the homes of some of its builders. About 200 are still living at the shipyard in the hastily set up “Camp Katrina”.

They include Earl Jones. More than eight months after Katrina, he does not know if his home in the Lower Ninth ward will be rebuilt. “The insurance company won’t even talk to us,” he said. “We’re having to hire lawyers to chase ’em. I don’t like this, but I don’t want to be out of work.”

Mr Jones’s wife was evacuated to Baton Rouge and is seriously ill with breast cancer and pneumonia. He said: “She ain’t handling very well me being away all the time.”

Katrina and 9/11 are two disasters that continue to produce very different responses from America. Mr Jones does not want his old home enshrined in a $1 billion fighting machine, but a small cheque from the insurance firm might help.

FORCE OF LIBERTY
# USS New York, USS Arlington and USS Somerset will be part of a nine-vessel fleet of new amphibious transport ships

# Length: 208.5m (684ft) — more than twice as long as the Statue of Liberty

# Beam: 31.9m (105ft); weight: 24,900 tonnes; speed: 22 knots

# Equipment: helicopters, landing craft, amphibious vehicles, missile launchers

# Crew: more than 1,000, comprising 361 ship’s company plus 699 marines

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?sr...%26attr%3DWorld
Magmak1
Zogby Poll:
Over 70 Million American Adults Support New 9/11 Investigation
Mon May 22, 8:00 AM ET



(PRWEB) - Utica, NY (PRWEB) May 22, 2006 -- Although the Bush administration continues to exploit September 11 to justify domestic spying, unprecedented spending and a permanent state of war, a new Zogby poll reveals that less than half of the American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were adequately investigated.

The poll is the first scientific survey of Americans' belief in a 9/11 cover up or the need to investigate possible US government complicity, and was commissioned to inform deliberations at the June 2~4 "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference in Chicago. Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure). The poll of American residents was conducted from Friday, May 12 through Tuesday, May 16, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/- 2.9. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.

According to Janice Matthews, executive director of 911truth.org, "To those who have followed the mounting evidence for US government involvement in 9/11, these results are both heartening and frankly quite amazing, given the mainstream media's ongoing refusal to cover the most critical questions of that day. Our August 2004 Zogby poll of New Yorkers showed nearly half believe certain US officials 'consciously' allowed the attacks to happen and 66% want a fresh investigation, but these were people closest to the tragedy and most familiar with facts refuting the official account. This revelation that so many millions nationwide now also recognize a 9/11 cover up and the need for a new inquiry should be a wake up call for all 2006 political candidates hoping to turn this country around. We think it also indicates Americans are awakening to the larger pattern of deceit that led us into Constitutional twilight and endless war, and that our independent media may have finally come of age."

Poll co-author, W. David Kubiak concurs, saying: "Despite years of relentless media promotion, whitewash and 9/11 Commission propaganda, the official 9/11 story still can't even muster 50% popular support. Since this myth has been the administration's primary source of political and war-making power, this level of distrust has revolutionary implications for everyone working for peace, justice and civil liberties. If we ever hope to reclaim this country, end aggression and restore international respect, we all must finally scrutinize that day when things started to go so terribly wrong. The media and movement leaders ignore this call at their peril, because tens of millions are clearly telling us here they are ready for 9/11 truth."

SCOPE: The poll covered five related areas:

1) Iraq - do Americans think the Bush administration exploited 9/11 to attack Iraq? (44% do, 44% don't);

2) Cover up - did the government and its 9/11 Commission conceal or refuse to investigate evidence that contradicts their official story? (only 48% said no);

3) the collapse of WTC 7, which was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported in the media---had respondents been aware of this collapse and, if so, did they think it should be investigated (only 52% had known about it, but over 70% of this group believe it should have been investigated);

4) new investigation of official complicity - do respondents think we need one? (only 48% said no); and

5) mass media - how do people rate its performance, including its coverage of alternative 9/11 theories, unanswered questions and inquiry issues? (43% rate it positively, 55% negatively).

(The poll sponsors see knowledge of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 as a bellwether issue, because if people do not know this elementary fact, they have probably not been exposed to any independent 9/11 research at all. Because the number of respondents who support a new investigation of 9/11 (45%)) is roughly the same as the number who knew about the collapse of Building 7 (52%), it can reasonably be extrapolated that if the entire public were exposed to independent 9/11 research, about 90 percent would support a new investigation of the events of that fateful day.)

SPONSOR: 911truth.org is a coalition of researchers, journalists and victim family members working to expose and answer the hundreds of still unresolved questions concerning 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11 Commission. Initially welcomed by the commissioners as their "road map," these queries cut to the heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability, specifically raising the central issues of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). The Commission ultimately ignored 80% of these issues, however, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive questions remain unaddressed to this day.

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For more information on the Chicago "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming our Future" conference and other developments, see http://www.911truth.org and http://911revealingthetruth.org or contact our media coordinator, Michael Berger, at 314-308-4893.

* Numerical computations conservatively based on 2000 Census data citing 174 million Americans between the ages of 18 and 64.

Survey Methodology: Zogby America, 5/12/06 through 5/16/06

This is a telephone survey of adults nationwide conducted by Zogby International. The target sample is 1,200 interviews with approximately 81 questions asked. Samples are randomly drawn from telephone cd’s of national listed sample. Zogby International surveys employ sampling strategies in which selection probabilities are proportional to population size within area codes and exchanges. As many as six calls are made to reach a sampled phone number. Cooperation rates are calculated using one of AAPOR’s approved methodologies1 and are comparable to other professional public-opinion surveys conducted using similar sampling strategies.2 Weighting by region, party, age, race, religion, and gender is used to adjust for non-response. The margin of error is +/- 2.9 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

Zogby International’s sampling and weighting procedures also have been validated through its political polling: more than 95% of the firm’s polls have come within 1% of actual election-day outcomes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_...b/prweb388743_4
jimiray
I want to say something so bad..................but I can't just yet.
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Keeping fingers crossed tongue.gif

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Magmak1
In Case You Missed This Point:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/aerialdust.html

The Towers' Concrete Was Pulverized in Mid-Air

Photographs and videos document dense clouds of pulverized concrete dust being ejected from the towers within the first seconds of the collapses. That these thick opaque light-colored clouds carried the bulk of the floor-slab concrete is verified by the composition and fallout pattern of dust around Ground Zero.



Within the first few seconds of the collapses, the motion of the falling top relative to the intact structure was only a few feet per second. Clearly the speed of the falling top relative to the building was insufficient to convert concrete to fine powder.

You can prove this to yourself by dropping a concrete block from a height of, say, 20 feet. The block may break into several pieces, but it will not turn to powder. Even if you were to drop a piece of concrete from the height of the towers -- 1360 feet -- it would not turn to powder when it hit the ground.
jimiray
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You can prove this to yourself by dropping a concrete block from a height of, say, 20 feet. The block may break into several pieces, but it will not turn to powder. Even if you were to drop a piece of concrete from the height of the towers -- 1360 feet -- it would not turn to powder when it hit the ground.


I think i may just try this experiment. If i do i'll post pics of the results.
Unlike other people who refuse to post pics whistling.gif
Magmak1
QUOTE(jimiray @ May 22 2006, 07:46 PM)
I think i may just try this experiment.
*


jimiray, be sure to take along several of these:.



and post up several of these:





You can't use the Official States Secrets Act
to protect you from lawsuit.
Magmak1
Trolling a number of web sites, I found this fascinating piece written on 9/13/01 by Robert Novak (yes, that fellow), here excerpted in its entirety from http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/ro.../13/160225.html :

I've taken the liberty of highlighting certain sections...

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This is no pearl harbor

Sep 13, 2001




WASHINGTON -- Security experts and airline officials agree privately that the simultaneous hijacking of four jetliners was an "inside job," probably indicating complicity beyond malfeasance. This makes all the more ominous Tuesday's national catastrophe and its dismal consequences. Nobody was more vigorous Tuesday in demanding tough military reprisal against the terrorists than former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger. However, he was virtually alone in directing his rage not only at the assassins but also at security arrangements. "I thought we had solved that problem (of air skyjackings)," he said. He pointed out that effective airport security would have prevented the disaster that may exceed the 2,403 deaths in the bombing of Pearl Harbor. The analogy with the Japanese surprise attack was drawn endlessly by political leaders and journalists. Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, with a keen sense of history, disagreed: "This, after all, was not Pearl Harbor. We have not lost the Pacific fleet." Unlike Dec. 7, 1941, the second day of infamy was not perpetrated by an enemy that at that time was militarily superior and seemed to put this nation's very existence in question. In the rage and mourning following Tuesday's disaster, few officials wanted to dwell on how a 10-year hiatus of airline hijackings in this country could be followed by four in one hour. At a minimum, the blame can be put on ill-trained, incompetent personnel performing the screening of passengers. At the worst, security experts fear collusion with the terrorists, possibly even extending to the cockpit. This is a subject that the airlines are loathe to discuss. The immediate consequence, widely predicted by members of Congress, will be tighter security making life more difficult for airline travelers and other Americans. The instant security measures taken in Washington and around the country came after the greatest terrorist success in world history had run its course and would not have been effective in preventing disaster had it been put in place. Of greater interest to members of congressional intelligence committees is the surprise element of the attacks. The CIA and FBI are internally at a low point of effectiveness. "Human intelligence" (spying) has been in decline for decades. No amount of security harassment of airline passengers will substitute for effective intelligence. Like Pearl Harbor, the lack of warning Sept. 11 will be investigated. Unlike Pearl Harbor, however, there is no clear foe. While secret briefings of members of Congress point to Osama bin Laden as the source of the attacks, President Bush's Tuesday night address to the nation named no names. The government, at this writing, actually is not sure. Private sources indicate that the terrorists could be a splinter group of Osama, its identity and whereabouts as yet unknown. An attack on Afghanistan for sheltering Osama's terrorists will put the United States in danger of being perceived, however incorrectly, as launching a holy war against Islam. There is strong sentiment in Congress for hitting somebody, somewhere who has unsavory terrorist credentials even if not connected with Tuesday's attack. With a crippled CIA unable to target the assassins, the Bush administration seems headed to deliver the same kind of hammer blows that the Clinton administration used in the Kosovo war rather than surgical strikes aimed at the assassins. Perhaps the biggest difference with Pearl Harbor is the cause of the conflict. Bush's eloquent call for unity talked of the need to "defend freedom." Unlike Nazi Germany's and Imperial Japan's drive for a new world order, however, the hatred toward the U.S. by the terrorists is an extension of its hatred of Israel rather than world dominion. Secretary of State Colin Powell's laudable efforts at being an even-handed peacemaker makes no difference to terrorists. Stratfor.com, the private intelligence company, reported Tuesday: "The big winner today, intentionally or not, is the state of Israel." Whatever distance Bush wanted between U.S. and Israeli policy, it was eliminated by terror. The spectacle on television of Palestinian youths and mothers dancing in the streets of East Jerusalem over the slaughter of Americans will not soon be forgotten.[**] The United States and Israel are brought ever closer in a way that cannot improve long-term U.S. policy objectives.

Robert Novak is a television personality and columnist. Novak is also editor of the Evans-Novak Political Report....

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** Since disproven as propagandistic use of footage from unrelated events... grossly similar to the use of a dilomat's daughter coached by a top-flight PR firm to cry tears in front of Congress about Saddam's mistreatment of Kuwaiti incubator babies...
Magmak1
I have not read these stories yet. I am just posting them on general principles. It's a compendium of links to op-ed pieces, blogs et al on the revelation of the story indicating Judith Miller, NY Times reporter, was aware of something about a forthcoming event.

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from http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.ph...order=0&thold=0

Commentary:
Media Savvy Round-up --
Reactions to MediaChannel.org Story
on Judith Miller, NY Times and 9/11 Warning

Monday, May 22, 2006 - 09:26 AM
Posted by: khence MediaChannel.org
News for the Media Savvy
5-21-6

MEDIA SAVVY ROUNDUP OF REACTION TO THE MEDIACHANNEL EXCLUSIVE
THE NY TIMES, JUDY MILLER AND 9/11: THE MOST STUNNING FAILURE YET? Some 56 months after the fact, we are learning that both Judy Miller and her editors at the New York Times had information that foretold the 9/11 terror attacks and elected not to publish it. By Will Bunch,
Philadelphia Daily News

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/a...ves/003394.html
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MILLER AND 'NYT' HAD A 9/11 WARNING TIP
Judith Miller, the embattled former reporter for The New York Times who spent 85 days in jail last year for refusing to reveal a source and ultimately left the paper after a dispute, has another new twist to her Times tenure.
By Joe Strupp, Editor & Publisher

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_d
isplay.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002538963

NEW YORK TIMES REPORTER HAD WARNING OF 9/11 ATTACKS Yesterday's big news was the revelation that New York Times reporter Judith Miller (of Plamegate fame) had been privy to a leak in 2001 that al-Qaeda was planning a major attack in the U.S. For various reasons, the story was never published.

By Mary Shaw, OpEd News
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=29

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THE BLOGS WEIGH IN: SUDDENLY, AFRAID OF CONTROVERSY It's stories like this one being reported by Rory O'Connor and William Scott Malone (in the alternative press) that leave me troubled about the state of American mainstream journalism
By Lisa English, Ruminatethis.com

http://www.ruminatethis.com/

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NOW SHE TELLS US
By Digby
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_...797168581194458

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JUDY MILLER TALKS TODAY ABOUT THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY By Kevin Drum,
Washington Monthly
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/...6_05/008838.php
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A MILLER'S TALE
Thus Blogged Anderson
http://andersonblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/m...sses-along.html
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JUDY MILLER GOT HEADS UP BEFORE 9/11
Abledangerblog.com

http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/05/judy...before-911.html
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