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Solve et Coagula
Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.

From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.

Jews throughout all generations yearned to grace the sacred soil of the Holy Land and to live there. However, their sole purpose was to fulfill the commandments dependent upon the land and to absorb Its holiness. Never, G-d forbid, did they have any nationalist or sovereign intent whatsoever which, as mentioned above, is forbidden to us. Indeed, also here in the Holy Land, our fathers lived in neighborly harmony with the Palestinian residents of the land, helping one another, to mutual benefit.

Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the "establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel." To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.

The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.

Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.

Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name "Israel" that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: "And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore."

Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews have refrained to this day from taking any funds from the Zionist regime, whether for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in the Zionist elections, whether for the "Knesset" or for the municipality. We do not serve in their army, and we even avoid speaking in the Hebrew language that the Zionists Invented. (incidentally, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which Is against the Torah and against humanity.

Lately, the question has once again arisen concerning the Temple Mount and sovereignty over it. Thus, we wish to state unequivocally: a) In our time, it is a severe Torah prohibition for any Jew to set foot on any part of the Temple Mount area. cool.gif The Jewish people have no claim whatsoever to sovereignty over this holy site, which is under Islamic authority, nor over any other holy site. Rabbi Zonenfeld was once asked, "is it true, that the Rabbi prefers an non-Jewish government over all of the Holy Land"? Rabbi Zonenfeld replied, "if King Hussein would rule over Palestine, the holiness of the Holy Land would not be diminished to even to an Iota degree". We yearningly await G-d's great day, when He will return His Divine Presence to Zion, restoring the holy city to its former holiness and glory as in days of old, to be a light to the peoples and the nations.

The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.

We once again clarify that it is our desire to live in peace with our Arab and Palestinian neighbors, as we did before the Zionist revolution, and as Jews all over the world till today live, accepting the yoke of rulership of their host nation, with complete loyalty. Our sole desire is to serve our G-d and to fulfill His commandments with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/notjews.cfm
Solve et Coagula
A MESSAGE FROM TRUE TORAH JEWS:

THE STATE OF ISRAEL HAS DECLARED ALL-OUT WAR ON THE JEWISH PEOPLE WORLDWIDE

Ariel Sharon, the Prime Minister of Israel told the crowd at a Rome hotel. "We are witness to a great wave of anti-Semitism, and apart from the usual anti-Semitism against Jews, there is today the added hate of the collective Jew, which is Israel.”… “The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said. (BBC website of Monday, 17 November, 2003 (http:/ /news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3275979.stm)

Mr. Sharon has moved from the planning stages as stated in November, 2003, to the execution of the plan which has been in development since the days of Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, who stated in his diary “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

In executing this plan they have successfully escalated anti-Semitism throughout the world.
There is great pain that the press and politicians are calling the actions of the Zionist movement “Jewish actions.” With these words they are helping the Zionists to fulfill their dreams.
We call upon the world again to understand that the state of “Israel” does not represent the Jewish faith and traditions and that Zionists are the greatest enemies to the Jewish people.

We appeal to people of good will in the media itself to open their minds and hearts to what we are proclaiming about the truth of Judaism, which has been distorted by the Zionists.

The promises of the Torah are always to be realized. This verse from the Torah demonstrates that those who are his enemies will pay a price when The kingdom of G-D will prevail.

Deuteronomy 32:43: Praise his People, O Nations: For he will avenge the blood of his servants. He will render vengeance against his adversaries and make expiation for his land and his People.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/new...s/jaz032504.htm
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"We control America"
"I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister,Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
Solve et Coagula
What is Zionism?

One of our most oft-asked questions is "what is Zionism?"

Theodor Herzl
Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.

The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.

Supporters of this movement are called "Zionists".

The purpose of this website is to explain why traditional Jews do not support Zionism (the return to the land called "Israel") and why the Zionist idealogy is totally contrary to traditional Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/whatis.cfm
Solve et Coagula
Jews against Zionists!!! I really love the true Jews!!!

Quoted by Mr. Steve:
Until today I ever realised that so many Jewish people actually oppose the very existence of Israel.

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/line1.jpg
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/protests...2805/cap009.jpg
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/protests...2805/cap087.jpg
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/protests...2805/cap056.jpg

There are huge crowds of them!
I can understand that Jewish people would be very angry of Israel's behavior towards the Palestinians, but not to actually oppose Israel's very existence.
flydangler
QUOTE(amy @ Apr 11 2006, 04:54 PM)
Solve et Coagula,

Would you post the link to where you found this quote from Ariel Sharon? Thank you.
Arneoker
Solve, are you Jewish?

Personally, as a Christian, I am very reluctant to say who is and who is not a "true Jew" unless we are speaking of people whose views and actions are so demented and evil that it is hard to see them as authentic representatives of any of the the great religions. But in terms of whether Zionism is congruent with true Judaism or not, I will leave that for the Jews to argue. I know that there is a minority of traditionalist Jews who oppose Zionism, and I assume that most of those people are honorable. But I think that those of us who are not Jewish should argue for or against Zionism in moral and poltical terms, not in the terms of Jewish theology. And of course the actions of the Israeli government and the citizens of Israel are fair game for discussion by all (although primarily by the people of Israel, which includes both Jews and non-Jews. Certainly since the U.S. government supports Israel we should be discussing these things too.)
Arneoker
QUOTE(amy @ Apr 11 2006, 04:54 PM)
Solve et Coagula,

Would you post the link to where you found this quote from Ariel Sharon? Thank you.
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I don't know this for a fact, but the quote sounds fake. I'm not saying that Solve is knowingly passing on a fake quote, I don't think that he is, but there are a lot of fake quotes out there, especially with the Internet.
amy
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Apr 12 2006, 10:23 AM)
I don't know this for a fact, but the quote sounds fake.  I'm not saying that Solve is knowingly passing on a fake quote, I don't think that he is, but there are a lot of fake quotes out there, especially with the Internet.
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Yes, Arne. That's why I wanted to see the source not only to affirm its authenticity but if it is authentic, to see the quote in the context of Sharon's full statement to better determine the meaning of the quote. It will be deleted if it's authencity is not confirmed.
heart
The entire liturgy of Judaism is focused on a return to Zion/Israel. Zionism did not start with Hertzl or the movements in the late 1800's, nor even for the best of reasons, after WWII when 85% of European Jewry were killed and no one did a damn thing about it....oh no....Zionism has had waves of movements since the Babylonian Exile. Believe me....the minority of Jews you are talking about are either socialists and do not believe in any national boundarys at all...or they are ultra-religious of a peculiar variety that thinks God is punishing the Jews and they cannot enter the city gates until the messiah comes....which of course they pray for all the time...apocalyptic Jews I guess you would call them.

Here is a description of Zionism in the 11th century!


Judah Ha-Levi, Yehudah Halevi, (Judah Ha-Levi) was a Jewish physician, poet and philosopher. He was born in Toledo in Spain, about 1085 and died about 1141. Much of his poetry reflected his love for Israel, and kept alive the love of Zion as a part of Jewish culture, rather than just a ritual to be expressed in prayer. At the end of his life he actually traveled to the Holy Land to settle there and fulfill his dream. However, according to tradition, he was murdered by an Arab as he knelt at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, soon after he arrived. Ha Levi's poetry used a relatively simple, direct style that is very close to the modern idiom.

Modern Hebrew poetry and language owe a great debt to him. Two poems in particular became a part of the tradition of Hebrew learning and preserved and enriched Hebrew poetic idiom. "My Heart is in the East" and "Zion, thou art anxious for thy captives" ("Zion Hallo tishali lishlom asirayich"). From the latter poem, we have the modern Hebrew expression "Asir Tsyion" - a prisoner (on account of) Zion, applied to those imprisoned in the USSR for advocating Zionism. From same poem, Naomi Shemer derived a line of her famous song, "Jerusalem of Gold" - " lechol Shirayich Ani Kinor" which in Halevi's poem is "ani kinor leshirayich


My heart is in the East

My heart is in the East, and I am at the ends of the West;

How can I taste what I eat and how could it be pleasing to me?

How shall I render my vows and my bonds, while yet

Zion lies beneath the fetter of Edom, and I am in the chains of Arabia?

It would be easy for me to leave all the bounty of Spain --

As it is precious for me to behold the dust of the desolate sanctuary.

ZION
Zion - thou art anxious for news of thy captives
"Tzion Hallo Tishali leshlom asirayich"

"Zion, thou art doubtless anxious for news of thy captives;
they ask after thee, they who are the remainder of thy flock

From West and East and North and South, from near and far;
bring peace from every side.

And peace is the desire of the captive, who giveth his tears
like the dew on the Hermon and yearns for the day they will fall on thy hills

I am a mourner who weeps for your poverty and when I dream
of the return I am the accompaniment to thy songs.

In Hebrew
no retreat, no surrender
QUOTE(heart @ Apr 12 2006, 12:30 PM)
The entire liturgy of Judaism is focused on a return to Zion/Israel.  Zionism did not start with Hertzl or the movements in the late 1800's, nor even for the best of reasons, after WWII when 85% of European Jewry were killed and no one did a damn thing about it....oh no....Zionism has had waves of movements since the Babylonian Exile.  Believe me....the minority of Jews you are talking about are either socialists and do not believe in any national boundarys at all...or they are ultra-religious of a peculiar variety that thinks God is punishing the Jews and they cannot enter the city gates until the messiah comes....which of course they pray for all the time...apocalyptic Jews I guess you would call them.

Here is a description of Zionism in the 11th century!


Judah Ha-Levi, Yehudah Halevi, (Judah Ha-Levi)  was a Jewish physician, poet and philosopher. He was born in Toledo in Spain, about 1085 and died about 1141. Much of his poetry reflected his love for Israel, and kept alive the love of Zion as a part of Jewish culture, rather than just a ritual to be expressed in prayer. At the end of his life he actually traveled to the Holy Land to settle there and fulfill his dream. However, according to tradition, he was murdered by an Arab as he knelt at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, soon after he arrived.  Ha Levi's  poetry used a relatively simple, direct style that is very close to the modern idiom.

Modern Hebrew poetry and language owe a great debt to him. Two poems in particular became a part of the tradition of Hebrew learning and preserved and enriched Hebrew poetic idiom. "My Heart is in the East" and "Zion, thou art anxious for thy captives" ("Zion Hallo tishali lishlom asirayich"). From the latter poem, we have the modern Hebrew expression "Asir Tsyion" - a prisoner (on account of) Zion, applied to those imprisoned in the USSR for advocating Zionism. From same poem, Naomi Shemer derived a line of her famous song, "Jerusalem of Gold" - " lechol Shirayich Ani Kinor" which in Halevi's poem is "ani kinor leshirayich


My heart is in the East

My heart is in the East, and I am at the ends of the West;

    How can I taste what I eat and how could it be pleasing to me?

How shall I render my vows and my bonds, while yet

    Zion lies beneath the fetter of Edom, and I am in the chains of Arabia?

It would be easy for me to leave all the bounty of Spain --

    As it is precious for me to behold the dust of the desolate sanctuary.

ZION
Zion - thou  art anxious for news of thy captives
"Tzion Hallo Tishali leshlom asirayich"

"Zion, thou art doubtless anxious for news of thy captives;
they ask after thee, they who are the remainder of thy flock

From West and East and North and South, from near and far;
bring peace from every side.

And peace is the desire of the captive, who giveth his tears
like the dew on the Hermon and yearns for the day they will fall on thy  hills

I am a mourner who weeps for your poverty and when I dream
of the return I am the accompaniment to thy songs.

In Hebrew
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Thanks, Heart. Good to see you again. clap.gif
heart
Thank You NR,NS. Good to see you to.

BTW this is the first night of Passover, where Jews conclude prayers with

"Next Year In Jerusalem!!"


Jews have done this every year since the exile....even though there has been a continuous Jewish presence in, or about, Jerusalem ever since.
Solve et Coagula
Here you go...

Solve et Coagula,


Thank you for the link. However, this is the first paragraph of what you linked to;

Israeli Quotes

NOTE: The following quotations are being passed along to our readers. I take no responsibility for their authenticity. It is left up to the reader to accept or reject or carry out library search for finding the quote in a publication. Please do not write to me for the source.
- Dr. Amir Ali


Even the person who compiled the quotes says that he will not vouch for their authenticity. Therefore, I have removed the link that is a compilation of quotes that have not been authenticated and are out of context even if they were authenticated.
Solve et Coagula
Dear Heart

Please consider the following...

Zionist philosophy had little appeal to the Jewish people in the late 19th century. Were they "fanatics" too?

The first Zionist Congress (1887) was to have taken place in Munich, Germany. However, due to considerable opposition by the local community leadership, both Orthodox and Reform, it was decided to transfer the proceedings to Basle, Switzerland. Theodore Herzl acted as chairperson of the Congress which was attended by some 200 participants (ED: Only 69 of whom were delegates).

Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc.../firstcong.html

Russian Jews for instance, didn't consider Zionism as a solution to their difficulties. Were they fanatics?

Between 1881 and 1914, 2.5 million Jews migrated from Russia--2 million to America and only 30,000 to Palestine. Another 500,000 went to the large capitals of Western Europe.
Bernard Avishai, The Tragedy of Zionism

Nice try... btw i might need a link of you too... you might know why...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
heart
I went to your links of the late Islamic Leader in North America and here is the table of contents (up to link 25) for 911:

September 11, 2001

1. MOSSAD Can Target U.S. Forces, Framing Arabs - 9/10/2001
2. September 11: Chronology of terror - 9/12/2001
3. Zionist Links - Bush-Cheney
4. Zionist Links - Clinton-Gore
5. Airplane Crashes at W.T.C. & the Pentagon - Who Benefits Most? - 09/11/2001
6. The Terror in New York and Washington: Six Weeks After - 10/27/2001
7. The Terror in New York and Washington: Three Months After - 12/16/2001
8. The Terror at WTC and the Pentagon – Who Benefited Most? - 06/25/2002
9. The WTC and the Pentagon Destruction – Manufacturing Evidence - 06/25/2002
10. The WTC and the Pentagon Terror, Conspiracy Theories (Part One) - 09/21/2002
11. The WTC and the Pentagon Terror, Conspiracy Theories (Part Two) - 09/25/2002
12. The Fatal Flaw In The 9/11 Coverup - 04/16/2004
13. Zionist Commando Daniel Lewin Orchestrated The 9-11 Terrorist Attacks - 03/07/2004
14. 9/11 Events Have Begun The End Of American Economic Supremacy - 09/24/2003
15. ‘No hijackers for 9/11’ - 02/28/2004
16. A True Confession? - 03/01/2004
17. The Kissinger Bombshell - 11/27/2002
18. Interview With Usama Bin Laden - 09/28/2001
19. UPI Interview with General Hameed Gul - 09/26/2001
20. The Great 9-11 Frame-Up And Moussaoui - 05/22/2002
21. The French Correction: America Behind 9/11! - 05/20/2002
22. End of the Road for Bush? - 06/04/2002
23. 9-11 Disaster Questions Unanswered - 9/14/2001
24. 9-11: Lies And Videotape - 07/02/2002
25. Pentagon crash site photos raise troubling questions - 02/15/2002
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The link for my piece on Zionism is here
http://www.zionism-israel.com/

However, the poems have been turned into songs over the centuries and you can find them and their attribution and history just about anyplace where Jewish history is found.
Solve et Coagula
just to be sure...

The first Zionist Congress (1887) was to have taken place in Munich, Germany. However, due to considerable opposition by the local community leadership, both Orthodox and Reform, it was decided to transfer the proceedings to Basle, Switzerland. Theodore Herzl acted as chairperson of the Congress which was attended by some 200 participants (ED: Only 69 of whom were delegates).

Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc.../firstcong.html


Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
heart
As for Russian Jews Solve, do you know the phrase "Beyond the Pale" and what it means?

Also, did you know that Theresa Kerry was one of the founders of Congressional Women for Russian Jewish Rights to emmigrate to Israel? They were not allowed to emigrate.

What I am pointing out about the word "zionism/zionist" is that it is ages old....not a "first movement" of its kind, but the one that was successful this time.
Solve et Coagula
Dear Heart

it would be very helpful if you could provide a link or so... otherwise we have the same problem like we had it with the quote of ariel sharon...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
winston smith
QUOTE(Solve et Coagula @ Apr 12 2006, 09:38 AM)
Here you go...

11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." (Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/IsraeliQuotes.html
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Heres a source: Sharon Gears Up for Expulsion

QUOTE(Between the Lines @ (Jerusalem) Vol II, #13, February 2002)
Last September [actually October 3, 2001], at a session of the Israeli cabinet, Sharon exploded at his foreign minister, Shimon Peres who had warned that "refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the U.S. against us." Sharon angrily responded, "every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We will not pay with the blood of our people for American interests and they understand it."

It's basically an article about how the Bush administration kowtows to Sharon every time he whines.

David Duke has used this message in his Naziesque Duke Report.
heart
Solve,

Can you tell me what you think "zionism" means?

Is this about a statement made by Sharon? If so, what does that have to do with "religion" in politics? If Sharon did say this, where is the proof of that statement? This is hearsay I admit, but it is not documented anywhere except on Islamic, Nazi and anti-zionist sites. I am sure that many things have been said in the whole of Israeli history that one might find objectionable....just as things have been said in the whole of any country's history that are objectionable....yet it does not mean that any one statement is representative of the nations thought, nor that a nation should be dismantled over the dubious comments made by some, or one, of it's politicians (though there is no justification for assuming this was ever said). I would certainly not want to be held to the statements of Bush, nor the statements of ever person who ever held political office in Switzerland.
heart
I want to tell you an "inside joke". That is, one of those things that makes the rounds of the "Jewish" lists like yahoo, aol, and such. It's just a joke, but it is ironic because there is just enough truth in it to make it funny. I do not mean this in any way to be an "off color" joke. It's just one of those things that Israelis can relate to and so can Jews everywhere.

WE'RE YOUR FRIEND, YOUR ONLY FRIEND...

by Eugene Narrett, Ph.D., February 27, 2006

Isralert.com source: http://www.freeman.org

1956: USA diplomatic & Intelligence [sic] services to Israel:

"Please help us out with this one. You've got to withdraw from the Sinai. We can't have this perception of Western Imperialism in the Arab world. You know how they are..."

What? you have over a hundred murders each year? It's a small price to pay for peace. It's better than 1944, right? You know how they are: we can't reason with them. But you're our friends, we rely on your good judgment. And we're your best friend, your only friend. You've got to withdraw from the Sinai. We don't want any more global increase in anti-Semitism, do we?'

1967: USA diplomatic & Intelligence [sic] services to Israel

"Please help us out with this one. You've got to withdraw from the occupied territories. We can't have this perception of Western Imperialism in the Arab world. You know how they are about western Imperialism. Didn't you say the territories are bargaining chips? Please help us out just this time..."

What? you have over a hundred murders each year? The Auschwitz borders? Isn't that a bit far-fetched? Holy sites? It's a small price to pay for peace. It's better than 1944, right? You know how they are: we can't reason with them. But you're our friends, we rely on your good judgment. You're always so reasonable. Besides, we'll guarantee the peace and your secure and defensible borders. We're your friends, your only friends. You've got to withdraw from the territories, with a few insubstantial modifications. We don't want any more global increase in anti-Semitism, do we? There shouldn't be a major accident, God forbid? You don't want to have an accident, right"

1978: USA diplomatic & Intelligence [sic] services to Israel

"Please help us out with this one. You've got to withdraw from the occupied territories. We can't have this perception of Western Imperialism in the Arab world. You know how they are about western Imperialism. Didn't you say the territories are bargaining chips? Please help us out just this time..."

What? The Auschwitz borders? Isn't that a bit far-fetched? Holy sites? It's a small price to pay for peace. It's better than 1944, right? Why do you need to live in Hebron or the West Bank? You know how they are: we can't reason with them. But you're our friends, we rely on your good judgment. You're always so reasonable. Besides, we're going to guarantee the peace. We'll put peacekeepers in place; nice European boys to guarantee your safety within defensible borders. What's that? No we're not laughing; just a tickle in the throat....

Remember, we're your best friend, your only friend. You've got to withdraw from the territories, with a few insubstantial modifications. We don't want any more global increase in anti-Semitism, do we? There shouldn't be a major accident, God forbid? You don't want to have an accident, right"

1991, Madrid: USA diplomatic & Intelligence [sic] services to Israel

"Please help us out with this one. You've got to withdraw from the occupied territories. We can't have this perception of Western Imperialism in the Arab world. You know how they are about western Imperialism. Things are especially delicate now that we had to defend our allies the Kuwaitis. You know how much they mean for our deterrence and, uh, economy. Anyway, didn't you say the territories are bargaining chips? No, you didn't by your predecessors did. Please help us out just this time..."

What? The Auschwitz borders again? Isn't that a bit far-fetched? Holy sites? It's a small price to pay for peace. It's better than 1944, right? Why do you need to live in Hebron or the West Bank? We told you to stop the settlers. No, Begin was too easy on them. And you know how the Arabs are: honor means alot to them. They're very proud people. We can't reason with them. And of course we need the oil so badly.

But you're our friends, we rely on your good judgment. You're always so reasonable. Besides, we're going to guarantee the peace. Look, we didn't even ask you to participate in the War. There's a perception that you're not pulling your weight. We have to address this, at least in public. We'll put peacekeepers in place; nice European boys to guarantee your safety within defensible borders. What's that? No we're not laughing; just a tickle in the throat....

Remember, we're your best friend, your only friend. You've got to withdraw from the territories, with a few insubstantial modifications. We don't want any more global increase in anti-Semitism, do we? There shouldn't be a major accident, God forbid? You don't want to have an accident, right" We'll have a peace for a lifetime agreement and academy awards.

1993, Oslo: USA diplomatic & Intelligence [sic] services to Israel

"Please help us out with this one. You've got to shake his hand and sign the paper. Yes, on the White House lawn. You know how much I love Jews. So just promise to withdraw from the occupied territories; sure, set limits. You can always take them back if they don't keep their word, and you know they never honor a deal. It's all for the cameras. Do it for me, a favor for a friend. You know we're the liberals and we know Jews love liberals. You help us out, we'll help you out. Some of my best girl friends are Jewish......

Besides, we can't have this perception of Western Imperialism in the Arab world. You know how they are about western Imperialism. Things are especially delicate now after that little nastiness in Waco. Anyway, didn't you say the territories are bargaining chips? No, you didn't but your predecessors did. Please help us out just this time..."

What? The Auschwitz borders again? Isn't that a bit far-fetched? Holy sites? It's a small price to pay for peace. It's better than 1944, right? Why do you need to live in Hebron or the West Bank? We told you to stop the settlers. No, Begin was too easy on them. And you know how the Arabs are: honor means alot to them. They're very proud people. We can't reason with them. And of course we need the oil so badly.

But you're our friends, we rely on your good judgment. You're always so reasonable. Besides, we're going to guarantee the peace. We'll put peacekeepers in place; nice European boys to guarantee your safety within defensible borders. What's that? No we're not laughing; just a tickle in the throat....

And hey, the Secretary of State is Jewish, at least, she used to be a long time ago...

Remember, we're your best friend, your only friend. You've got to withdraw from the territories, with a few insubstantial modifications. We don't want any more global increase in anti-Semitism, do we? There shouldn't be a major accident, God forbid? You don't want to have an accident, right" We'll have a peace-for-a-lifetime agreement and academy awards.

1995; 1997; 2000; 2001 - 06, Oslo II to the Road Map, USA diplomatic & Intelligence [sic] services to Israel

Your our friends, our dear, dear friends. And we're your friend, you're only friend. We're so sorry about the late Prime Minister. we'll all be there for his funeral, say, about 10 days before your elections. What? Jonathan Pollard? You don't want to have an accident, do you? The world's a dangerous place, you know. You know that; why, any day that maniac in Iran might do something very regrettable. But we'll be there with the payback, rest assured of that. Glad to see you beginning to work with the new Hamas. If we can, you can. They're going to recognize your right to exist. That will be big news.

This is it; this is the end of concessions. Just brace yourself for this last round of disengagements and we'll put a lasting peace in place. We'll guarantee the agreement. We're your friends, your only friends...................."
amy
QUOTE(winston smith @ Apr 12 2006, 02:17 PM)
Heres a source: Sharon Gears Up for Expulsion
It's basically an article about how the Bush administration kowtows to Sharon every time he whines.

David Duke has used this message in his Naziesque Duke Report.
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Thanks for the research, winston smith. Apparently, this quote you took from the link you posted:
QUOTE(Between the Lines @ (Jerusalem) Vol II, #13, February 2002)
Last September [actually October 3, 2001], at a session of the Israeli cabinet, Sharon exploded at his foreign minister, Shimon Peres who had warned that "refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the U.S. against us." Sharon angrily responded, "every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We will not pay with the blood of our people for American interests and they understand it."

is not the same as this quote which was deleted.

.11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." (Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)


So, unless I'm missing something, the quote I deleted had been altered.
Solve et Coagula
Historical Progression of Zionism

18th century: The German Jewish philosopher Moses Mendelssohn initiates a Jewish secularism, which focused on Jewish national identity.

1862: The German Jew Moses Hess publishes the book Rome and Jerusalem where he called for a return of Jews to Palestine. He also said that Jews would never succeed by assimilating into European societies.

1881: Pogroms of Russia result in heavy emigration to USA. Some few Jews even emigrates to Palestine, as they are motivated by religious ideas of Palestine as Jewish homeland.

1893: Nathan Birnbaum introduces the term 'Zionism'.

1896: The Austrian Jew Theodor Herzl publishes the book The Jewish State, where he declares that the cure for anti-semitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine, but this geography was no precondition.

1897: The 1st Zionist Congress is held in Basel in Switzerland. 200 delegates participates. The Basel Program is formulated, which calls for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, where Jews could live safely under public law. The World Zionist organization is also established, and establishes its head quarters in Vienna, Austria.

1903: Britain offers an area of 15,500 km² in Uganda in Africa, an area of virgin land to the Jews of the world, where a Jewish homeland could be established.

1905: 7th Zionist Congress refuses Britain's Uganda proposal. Israel Zangwill forms the Jewish Territorial organization, which sought to find territory for a Jewish state, no matter where this would be. His organization got only few supporters. — After the Russian revolution is defeated, many young Jews emigrate from Russia.

1917: The Balfour Declaration, issued by the British foreign secretary, gives official British support to the work on establishing a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

1922: Britain gives The World Zionist organization the mandate to administer Jewish immigration and settlement in Palestine. This immigration and settlement was funded by American Jews.

1939: The British 'White Paper' gives the Arabs of Palestine de facto control over Jewish immigration.

1942: A call is issued from Zionist leaders for the establishment of a Jewish state in all of western Palestine, when World War II ends.

1948 May 14: The State of Israel is founded. The World Zionist organization continues to back Jewish immigration to Israel.

1970s: The World Zionist organization puts its muscles into helping Jews in the Soviet Union to emigrate to Israel.

1975 November 10: UN General Assembly passes Resolution 3379, in which Zionism is declared "racist", with 72 votes to 35 (32 abstentions).

1991 December 16: UN General Assembly revokes Resolution 3379, with 111 votes to 25 (13 abstentions).

Source: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/.../historical.cfm
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From "Committee for Acuracy in Middle East Reporting"

May 20, 2002 by Tamar Sternthal

Syndicated Columnist Georgie Anne Geyer Uses Fabricated Sharon Quote

In a May 10, 2002 column (“Now Isn’t the Time for Bush League Moves”), nationally-syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer included bogus and inflammatory allegations against Prime Minister Sharon and Israel’s supporters in America.

First, she wrote:

In fact, it [American support for Israel’s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, “I control America.”

CAMERA conducted extensive Nexis and Internet searches, and found that no mainstream news organization reported as true the fabricated quotation.

The hoax originated with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, the Islamic Association for Palestine. It said:

An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying “don’t worry about American pressure, we control America.”

Notably, in the same press release, the direct quotation “we control America” changed to “we the Jewish people control America.”

IAP wrote:

According [to] the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “...I want to tell you something clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”

According to the IAP press release, the statement was reported on Kol Yisrael. However, CAMERA’s calls to Kol Yisrael confirmed that no such broadcast occurred.

Geyer’s second problematic claim was:

Look at U.S. television: One minute, you see pro-Israeli ads saying the Arabs are all dogs...

However, here too investigation turned up no evidence that any such ad ever appeared on U.S. television.

Since the Sharon “quotation” and the “Arabs are dogs" ad are preposterous on their face, one would have expected Geyer (and editors who publish her column) to verify their accuracy before including such inflammatory statements in her column.

Geyer’s piece, which is syndicated by Universal Press Syndicate, is known to have appeared in the Chicago Tribune and the San Diego Union Tribune.
UPDATE (June 15, 2002): Geyer Expresses "Regrets"

CAMERA notified Geyer’s editors that the Sharon “quote” originated on a pro-Hamas website (the Islamic Association for Palestine), and that it had not been corroborated by any reputable media organization. CAMERA also pointed out that IAP’s alleged source, a report on Israel radio, is apparently fictional – Kol Yisrael denied to CAMERA that it had ever broadcast any such report.

When CAMERA requested substantiation from Geyer, the columnist first asserted that she was abroad and would have to check her notes when she got back home in June. After CAMERA contacted editor Bruce Dold of the Chicago Tribune (which ran the Geyer column), he replied:

Ms. Geyer does indeed cite the same sources you note [an Islamic Association for Palestine press release that claimed Kol Yisrael radio reported the Sharon statement] on the Sharon quote. If you have a statement or confirmation from Kol Yisrael, I’d like to see it. As for the second point [concerning the alleged television ads], that is not a direct quote from an ad, but Geyer’s own interpretation of the nature of the content.

Informed that the Kol Yisrael reporter assigned to cover the Israeli Cabinet [where the Sharon statement was alleged to have been made] denied Sharon had made the attributed comment, Dold responded with a different story from Geyer. She now claimed that her sources were two anonymous Israelis.

Finally, Geyer’s syndicate disseminated the following Editor’s Note which appeared on June 14 in the Chicago Tribune and Sarasota Herald Tribune and will likely be published by other papers that ran Geyer’s May 10 column.

Editor’s note: Georgie Anne Geyer’s May 10 column included a quote from Ariel Sharon, 'I control America.’ This quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press but cannot be confirmed in independent sources. Geyer and Universal Press Syndicate regret not having attributed the quote more specifically.

While the syndicate thus admitted that “This quote...cannot be confirmed in independent sources,” it failed to state unambiguously that Sharon never uttered the words and that the alleged quotation first appeared in a press release from the pro-Hamas IAP. Since IAP said that Kol Yisrael was their source and Kol Yisrael denies broadcasting any such report, there should be no question that IAP was attempting to perpetrate a hoax. The syndicate also should have written “alleged quote” whenever referring to the supposed statement by Sharon.

Furthermore, the Editor’s Note implies that the problem was one merely of mistaken attribution – that it would have been acceptable for Geyer to use the bogus quotation had she cited “Palestinian sources.” Obviously, since these sources have been proven false, the quote should not have been published at all.

Additionally, the Editor’s Note fails entirely to address the other baseless assertion in Geyer’s May 10 column, her outrageous statement: “Look at U.S. television: One minute, you see pro-Israeli ads saying the Arabs are all dogs...”

Repeated CAMERA requests for Geyer to identify the specific ad that led to her “interpretation” have gone unanswered. Clearly there is no way that her readers could have understood that she was “interpreting” rather than paraphrasing or quoting from a supposed ad. Since it is extremely unlikely that any “U.S. television” station would have broadcast any such ad, Geyer and her syndicate owe her readers another “Editor’s Note” or apology.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=6&x_article=34
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Zionism Promotes Anti-Semitism

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.

In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge".

Over the recent years there has been a dramatic rise in hate rhetoric and hate crimes targeted toward Jews:

In Turkey...horrifying suicide bombings at two synagogues left 25 people dead and hundreds more injured.

In Britain...Scotland Yard recently warned Britain's Jewish Community that it faced imminent terrorist attacks after police spotted and questioned a group of "tourists" taking covert videotape of the Jewish community buildings in London.

In France...a caution was issued after an arson attack gutted a suburban Paris Jewish school--the latest incident in a frightening wave of French anti-Semitism.

BBC - UK: "In recent weeks, a poll for the European Commission suggesting that EU citizens see Israel as the biggest threat to world peace caused outrage among Israelis."
Anti-Semitic acts are on the rise across Europe and beyond. From Antwerp and London to Berlin and Istanbul, Jews are living in fear.

On November 17, 2003 Zionist leader, Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, told Jews in Italy the best way to escape "a great wave of anti-Semitism" is to move and settle in the state of Israel. This has been the Zionist ideology from the beginning to the present time. "The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.

July 28, 2004: 200 French Jews emigrated to Israel following a wave of Anti-Semitism. They were personally greeted by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who recently urged French Jews to flee to Israel to escape rising anti-Semitism.

On July 18, 2004, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon urged all French Jews to move to Israel immediately to escape anti-Semitism. He told a meeting of the American Jewish Association in Jerusalem that Jews around the world should relocate to Israel as early as possible. But for those living in France, he added, moving was a "must" because of rising violence against Jews there. "

Source: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemi...ismpromotes.cfm
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Solve,

I can see your history line...and I am not disputing that there was/is a movement called "zionism" that was successful. My question is that without the "ism" at the end, Jews have spent 2800 years or so trying to return to "ZION"....we, the children of Israel, have sung songs to zion, to Jerusalem to our holy land since the fall of the first Temple. That too, is Zionism is it not? To say that one is not a "Zionist" is to say that you do not support the state of Israel's existence. It seems rather pointless now doesn't it?
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I do not think that zionism is responsible for anti-semitism....that is putting the cart before the horse isn't it?
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Immigration is the Lifeblood of the Zionist State

True Torah Jews are concerned about the issue of immigration.

We pray for our Jewish brothers who have been mislead by the promises of the Zionists and have left their homeland, security, and loved ones to immigrate to the Zionist state only to find that their situation has worsened and they are left without resources to return to their native lands.

We worry for the Jewish people around the world who suffer due to
Zionist actions which provoke anti-Semitism

Zionist actions which are falsely blamed on anti-Semitism (as recently occurred in France)
Minor anti-Semitic events which are blown out of all proportion to promote the Zionist cause

Continue to read. please watch the graphic:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/...immigration.cfm
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Right and they also pray for the Messiah to come and open up the gates of Jerusalem to let the Jews back into their rightful place....they are not any different than fundamentalists here in that regard. So...what is the point here Solve? For example, does a small Christian sect get to determine that California must only be given to Americans when the Messiah comes? Should all the Californians just say "oh, excuse me, sorry about that" and move out?

Can you also explain to me why every single time an anti-semitic incident happens in France, New Zealand, or Australia, the perpetrators are acting against "Israel" and not simply being antisemitic thugs? What does a Jew in Nevada have to do with an IDF action in Gaza? What does a Jew living for generations in New Zealand have to do with a statement made by a politician in Israel? What do the Algerian Jews in France have to do with an arrest made in the West Bank of a Hamas leader?
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Dear Heart

All world Religions have members which perceive their teaching exoteric or esoteric. Judaism after Kabbalistic Tradition are esoterically oriented jews and jewish zionism belongs obviously to the exoteric movement.

In Islam its exactly the same, its divided into exoteric islam and esoteric Islam (after the Tradition of Sufism), as we can see the problems with Iran and their prospected State of God, which is nothing than trying to establish their Kingdom of God in a material manner...

In exoteric christianity (roman catholic church, Bush, neocons, pat robertson, etc.) and esoteric christianity (teaching after the essenic, theosophic and antroposophic tradition, etc.) we have exactly the same problem.

Zionism wants to establish the New Jerusalem exoteric/materially/outside and esoteric Jews understand this as an inner/esoteric/spiritual place/connection with the New Jerusalem/God.

All materially oriented movements are sadly mislead by wanting to establish their Kingdom of God materially/physically, and especially by slaughter and butchery...

Actually, we have 3 World Religions fighting eachother physically to establish their physical Kingdom of God, but you know what, nobody will establish their Kingdom of God physically unless we learn to work together or we rather destroy everything physical to enter directly into our spiritual Kingdom of God and His Righteousness...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
flydangler
QUOTE(heart @ Apr 12 2006, 02:50 PM)
I do not think that zionism is responsible for anti-semitism....
Methinks 'tis more accurate to say anti-semites're responsible for anti-semitism. IMHO this includes them that parrot anti-semitic rhetoric, eh?
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