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Solve et Coagula
Images of War they dont want us to see

http://www.voltairenet.org/article136827.html
Pegatha
I have read opening post after opening post on (always) new threads that you have started. You seldom comment, and you never return for followup. You post things that are extremely disrespectful of our troops.

I have no idea what your point is in posting this particular thread, as you haven't said, and it is in a language that is foreign to most of us. And the subject matter is one that is very familiar to us, contrary to the thread title.

This is the last comment I will make on your threads, which I will henceforth ignore.
amy
QUOTE(Solve et Coagula @ Apr 11 2006, 10:55 AM)
Images of War they dont want us to see

http://www.voltairenet.org/article136827.html
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The MSM shows footage of seriously wounded soldiers. usually in the context of their rehabilitaion at military hospitals. I've seen worse on TV than what I saw in the article you posted. So, if anyone in the U.S. wants to be informed, the info is out there at this point in time.
gabriellemy
QUOTE(Pegatha @ Apr 11 2006, 06:05 PM)
I have read opening post after opening post on (always) new threads that you have started.  You seldom comment, and you never return for followup.  You post things that are extremely disrespectful of our troops.

I have no idea what your point is in posting this particular thread, as you haven't said, and it is in a language that is foreign to most of us.  And the subject matter is one that is very familiar to us, contrary to the thread title.

This is the last comment I will make on your threads, which I will henceforth ignore.
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well, i fail to see how lacking commentary is disrespectfufl... or were you saying a soldier with a lost limb is disrespectful per se???

sometimes posts are simply made to entice individual thought and the fact others fail to notice the intention does not make it disrespectful either

i suppose some could say i do not follow up as well.... good for me i don't take strangers' comments seriously when they throw uninformed snipes at me... ; )

i'd love to endow you with the following task: go, and make war beautiful.

when you've done that, come back to this thread

E: and when you take into consideration that those displayed have in most cases an obvious positive attitude, your post makes even less sense it used to before i looked at these pictures!
flydangler
I'm curious who the "they" are that don't want us to see these pictures? Methinks, with the exception of those depictin' actor Denzel Washington and President Bush visitin' the woulnded, most of these pictures are from reports carried in American MSM, includin' on the TV. I sure recall havin' seen most of 'em before, but the site these are from didn't bother providin' their source, eh?
QUOTE(gabriellemy @ Apr 11 2006, 11:23 AM)
i'd love to endow you with the following task: go, and make war beautiful.
Methinks that might well be impossible, as well it should be. War, and the results of it, are ugly!
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and when you take into consideration that those displayed have in most cases an obvious positive attitude, your post makes even less sense it used to before i looked at these pictures!
Seems when interviewed a real high percentage of these seriously injured folks expressed a desire to recover and get rehabilitated as soon as possible, so they could return to the theater of combat and be with their mates, eh? That methinks is what's surprisin' to me.
dennisjames
I am sure Halliburton thinks it's worth it.
flydangler
QUOTE(dennisjames @ Apr 11 2006, 07:58 PM)
I am sure Halliburton thinks it's worth it.
Methinks that's the second time recently you've made such a remark where it seemed to have no nexus to the subject bein' discussed (the first was here). Last time I asked you to explain didn't even get the courtesy of a response, will my luck be better this time?
winston smith
I'm not sure the sensational headline fits the thread.

First, as Doc points out, these photos are all public. Like him, I've seen several of these in various papers, web pages, and the one with Bush is on one of the DoD sites.

Second, the Spanish captions are not sensational; they are simply captions and brief descriptions of the pictures. "This person lost both of his feet in an IED explosion," or, "This picture is with President and Mrs. Bush at the White House, visiting with Sgt.--- his wife, and his 6 year old son from South Carolina..."

Like your recently removed thread concerning the State Department, it appears your goal is to sensationalize the horrors that we Americans are currently enduring. I don't know whether you are getting some kind of perverse pleasure in posting these items, but I for one will no longer tolerate it.
Marine
QUOTE(gabriellemy @ Apr 11 2006, 09:23 AM)
well, i fail to see how lacking commentary is disrespectfufl... or were you saying a soldier with a lost limb is disrespectful per se???

sometimes posts are simply made to entice individual thought and the fact others fail to notice the intention does not make it disrespectful either

i suppose some could say i do not follow up as well.... good for me i don't take strangers' comments seriously when they throw uninformed snipes at me... ; )

i'd love to endow you with the following task: go, and make war beautiful.

when you've done that, come back to this thread

E: and when you take into consideration that those displayed have in most cases an obvious positive attitude, your post makes even less sense it used to before i looked at these pictures!
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Those photos are pretty mundane.

Ever see someone where an amtrac rolled over there head? Pops their eyeballs right out, leaves them hanging by the optic nerve. Their head swells up about three times normal size too. Their mama won't recognize them.

But that was just a training accident, I guess it doesn't count as ugly since it wasn't in war.
flydangler
QUOTE(Solve et Coagula @ Apr 11 2006, 10:55 AM)
Images of War they dont want us to see
Methinks we've still never found out who the "they" you referred to are. For some strange reason I'm somewhat doubtful we ever will either, eh?
Gabrielle
I think this is a valuable link you gave us, Solve. Some of your posts have infuriated me because I thought they were anti-American but this one gives us a good look at the enormity of how many maimed and severely injured Americans there are. It is good for Americans to see these photos, in my opinion. We can only make decent choices if we have the information needed to make them. From what I can tell we're "protected" from the truth at every turn. That protection dumbs us down and renders the American people impotent to make the informed opinions necessary for the proper functioning of our republic.

Shielding us from the truth is one of the major problems I see in our country today. People who don't know the truth can't make reasonable opinions and are prevented from acting effectively to improve the world around them. We need to know what's going on and we need to expect ourselves to participate in the solution.
Gabrielle
QUOTE(Marine @ Apr 11 2006, 10:44 PM)
Those photos are pretty mundane. 

Ever see someone where an amtrac rolled over there head?  Pops their eyeballs right out, leaves them hanging by the optic nerve.  Their head swells up about three times normal size too.  Their mama won't recognize them.

But that was just a training accident, I guess it doesn't count as ugly since it wasn't in war.
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It doesn't have to happen in the field of battle to be highly traumatizing, Marine.
Gabrielle
Just like in that movie, Crush, I think we need to try and see Solve's humanity, too.
flydangler
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Apr 17 2006, 01:15 PM)
Shielding us from the truth is one of the major problems I see in our country today
Methinks almost all these pictures, as well as the stories of the people depicted in them, have been seen in numerous venues (CNN, MSNBC, CBS's 60 Minutes and CSPAN are the ones I remember most), so 'tain't like they ain't been out there to be seen. Might be 'tis just that folks don't bother pay attention to 'em, eh?
Marine
QUOTE(flydangler @ Apr 17 2006, 03:15 PM)
Methinks almost all these pictures, as well as the stories of the people depicted in them, have been seen in numerous venues (CNN, MSNBC, CBS's 60 Minutes and CSPAN are the ones I remember most), so 'tain't like they ain't been out there to be seen. Might be 'tis just that folks don't bother pay attention to 'em, eh?
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"They" must be the Cockburns Doc.
Marine
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Apr 17 2006, 11:16 AM)
It doesn't have to happen in the field of battle to be highly traumatizing, Marine.
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Oh, you becha it was tramatizing. I'd known the guy since we went through infantry training together, just the previous year we had served as groomsmen for another Marine's wedding.

We was in separate units when it happened but guess who they call down to the morgue to make the positive id?
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