There is a topic pinned above called "Proving Electoral Fraud - Just Evidence".
That is the only thread I can see that really should be limited to "just facts". There are too many people getting overly hyped on whether something is a Fact or Not. This board is for discussions about theories and speculation, too. Lets lay off all this "Its not a fact, there is no evidence" stuff. It goes against the ENTIRE purpose of this board that the moderators and owners are so nice to let us use.

Thank you Ken, that was well said! commongroundcommonsense posters, please don't let anyone make you think that your opinion is not valuable! Share and play fair! Don't hurt anyone on the inside or the outside!

Correction: Brainstorming is a valuable tool for creating a pool of ideas. But once an idea is found to be invalid, it saves immeasurable time to discount it so we as a team can focus on the truth, and on getting our message out there. It hurts us terribly when we send out false information to the media. We do not want to be the little boy who cried wolf.

Oh I agree. And people can end up demanding that you split hairs about the "facts" to distract from the main points of a brainstorming message. It can be an indirect method to cut off discussion

Ok, this might be so far out in left field that it's over the fence and in the parking lot ... And, I must say that I thought of this late at night, after a stressful day and with a slight headache. Needless to say, I might need to revisit my original thought, not only for clarity, but also sanity. So ... here it goes: I don't have any experience with the punch-card voting maching (at least not recently) so I'm not real sure how the ballot is formated or how the machine is set up. But, suppose that the ballot itself is manipulated. More specifically, suppose the stock paper on which the ballot is printed has been manipulated. Suppose that a strip or thread of the ballot is constructed of a heavier weight of paper. If this were possible, then if a particular candidate's name were printed over this area, it would be slightly, but perhaps not so noticably, harder to punch out a clean chad. And, as we've seen in Florida in 2000, a hanging, pregnant or otherwise faulty chad might not be 'read' in the official count. How big of an impact would this have on a precinct's results? Who produces the paper on which the ballot is printed?

It's seems possible, but then again, it seems soooo unlikely ....

There is a balance, you don't want to go wild spinning all kinds of what if scenarios either because then at some point you can loose credibility. Credibility is important, you are not taken seriously without it.

No, opinion does not need to be supported by facts, but if you want somebody to take your opinion seriously you should be ready to explain it and give some logical reasons for having that opinion.

No matter what happens, changes are needed in the laws and we all need to seriously fight for that, it is the future of our country at stake.

No, no, no!!!! Not the chads again, I remember that too well from Gore. Hanging (trapdoor, dangling), pregnant (dimpled) chads, no! I can't take it again! Please, please, say it isn't so!