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rox63
This is an outrage! anger.gif no2.gif

From Scripps-Howard News Service, so this is a reliable source:

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?acti...HUNGER-05-02-06

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U.S. Marines go hungry

By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
02-MAY-06

The Iraq war has been the war fought on the cheap _ not enough body armor, not enough armor on vehicles, not enough night vision equipment.

It has been the war in which packages from back home have had to fill some crucial needs.

Now, we have chow call at the Greenwood Credit Union in Warwick, R.I. It's the latest in home-front intervention. It's partially in response to the unthinkable image of U.S. Marines approaching Iraqi citizens and asking for food because they do not have enough.

There's a big barrel in the lobby of the credit union on Post Road in Warwick. It's decorated with ribbons and it's there because Karen Boucher-Andoscia's son, Nick Andoscia, called and asked his mother to send food.

Nick's a Marine corporal. He was in Afghanistan last year, where there was enough to eat. He's in Iraq now even though his enlistment was up last year.

He's one of those Marines who can't walk away. His unit, the 3rd Battalion of the 3rd Marines, was headed for Iraq and he just couldn't head for civilian life while those he had served with were heading to their second war.

"He extended," says Karen. "He told me, 'I really have to go. I can't let my guys go alone.' "

There are a lot of stories like that. We don't hear them much. They're kind of personal.

So Nick Andoscia went to Iraq. And hunger soon followed.

"I got a letter," says Karen. "And he had called me before that. He said, 'Send lots of tuna.' "

Nick told his mother that he and the men in his unit were all about 10 pounds lighter in their first few weeks in Iraq. They were pulling 22-hour patrol shifts. They were getting two meals a day and they were not meals to remember.

"He told me the two meals just weren't cutting it. He said the Iraqi food was usually better. They were going to the Iraqis and basically saying, 'feed me.' "

Karen started packing in that wartime tradition as old as mothers and sons. She packed a lot of the packaged tuna, not the canned.

She happened to mention her hungry son to people she works with at Greenwood Credit Union, where she is a teller and has worked for 30 years.

Pounds and pounds of food started showing up amid the daily business of loans and deposits and withdrawals. Marianne Barao, the branch manager, said it could be done, the credit union could become the place where people help feed hungry Marines who are risking their lives on a skimpy diet.

"We sent out 51 pounds this week," says Karen. "There are customers coming in saying, 'What do you need?' "

The credit union is paying the cost of packing and shipping.

Any packaged food is welcome. So are baby wipes because showers are even rarer than a full meal. And foot powder.

Nick Andoscia, who is 22, is due to come home later this year. He wants to study criminal justice, his mother says, then go to work for a fire or police department.

But for the next few months he will be on patrol in western Iraq, dealing with the heat and the dirt and the danger.

The last thing he should have to worry about is an empty stomach. The last thing he should have to do is approach Iraqis and ask for food.

You have to wonder what the gracious hosts must think when a fighting man from the richest country on earth comes to their door in search of something to eat.

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Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal.
Marine
I used to pack my kit with all sorts of goodies. My favorite was sardines in mustard sauce, you could track me down from the smell. I don't know how many times I heard someone calling "Here kitty, kitty, kitty" and getting acussed of eating the cat's food.

MREs are never wonderful. C-rats sucked too, well most C-rats suck, a few selections were rather tasty. Too bad they aren't operating close to the ocean, the Navy used to do a fine job of flying in hot chow to the Marines in the field.
flydangler
QUOTE(rox63 @ May 4 2006, 08:19 AM)
This is an outrage!
Maybe, maybe not, eh? See the followin' and see if you still feel that way.

Bob Kerr is a regular columnist, not journalist, for the Providence Journal. Methinks he's known for his "gotcha" type columns that get the juices flowin', but often don't stand stand up well to scrutiny and he's not well regarded here. This one don't seem to be the exception to that rule either.

Marines goin' out in the field pack their own food with 'em, two MREs per day for the anticipated number of days they'll be gone (normally no more than five days worth after which they get resupplied). Each Marine carries his own MREs in his pack. Culinary delights they may not be, but methinks nutritious they most certainly are. They're also pretty light, a major consideration with all the other stuff they're carryin', eh?

The weight loss described in the article sounds more like water weight rather than malnutrition. Methinks if you can't drink a minimum of six liters of water per day in the Iraqi desert you'll get dehydrated and lose 10 pounds of water weight pretty damn quick, after which methinks weight'll stabilize.

Lotta Marines're always hungry, so this ain't no big news either methinks. As much time as I spent in foreign lands with 'em it never ceased to amaze me how they'd try to get food from the locals, more often than not barterin' for it or buyin' it rather than beggin' though.

Seems to me Bob Kerr coulda easily found all this out if he'd bothered to check, eh? 'Course that woulda make his column less likely to appeal on an emotional level methinks.
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From Scripps-Howard News Service, so this is a reliable source:
What would the fact they didn't even get the title or publication date correct imply?

The actual column as originally released in the Providence Journal can be seen here on the Journal's web site. Notice the title was actually "Bob Kerr: The problem is strictly from hunger", not "U.S. Marines go hungry" and 'twas dated April 26, 2006, not 02-MAY-06.
winston smith
QUOTE(flydangler @ May 4 2006, 07:02 PM)
Lotta Marines're always hungry, so this ain't no big news either methinks. As much time as I spent in foreign lands with 'em it never ceased to amaze me how they'd try to get food from the locals, more often than not barterin' for it or buyin' it rather than beggin' though.

tongue.gif Bet Marine and Noonanda would be happy to verify that fact... hell, every guy under 25 has a friggin' hollow leg! roflmbo.gif

eatthebunny.gif
Marine
QUOTE(winston smith @ May 4 2006, 11:12 PM)
tongue.gif Bet Marine and Noonanda would be happy to verify that fact... hell, every guy under 25 has a friggin' hollow leg! roflmbo.gif

eatthebunny.gif
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Yeah, you should a seen what happened when they put us radiomen on guard duty at the chow dump. eatthebunny.gif
bigtom
QUOTE(Marine @ May 5 2006, 09:18 AM)
Yeah, you should a seen what happened when they put us radiomen on guard duty at the chow dump. eatthebunny.gif
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Remember the C ration Ham and eggs? I used to throw mine away...
Everyone carried tabasco sauce back then.

I saw some MREs at my reunion this year.
They had a tiny bottle of tabasco and a water activated heater.
Marine
QUOTE(bigtom @ May 5 2006, 08:49 AM)
Remember the C ration Ham and eggs?  I used to throw mine away...
Everyone carried tabasco sauce back then.

I saw some MREs at my reunion this year.
They had a tiny bottle of tabasco and a water activated heater.
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I never could develop a taste for the ham and eggs no matter what I tried to cover up the real taste with. Even Thai Tiger sauce didn't keep them from reeking.

I remember getting c-rats in the late 70s & early 80s packaged in the late 40s and early 50s. Every time I got ham & eggs my first thought was the chicken that laid this egg has been dead at least 25 years, and those ham & eggs sure as hell smelled it.

I think the only thing which was consistantly good was the hot cocoa mix.
vet65/69
QUOTE(Marine @ May 5 2006, 09:30 PM)
I never could develop a taste for the ham and eggs no matter what I tried to cover up the real taste with.  Even Thai Tiger sauce didn't keep them from reeking.

I remember getting c-rats in the late 70s & early 80s packaged in the late 40s and early 50s.  Every time I got ham & eggs my first thought was the chicken that laid this egg has been dead at least 25 years, and those ham & eggs sure as hell smelled it.

I think the only thing which was consistantly good was the hot cocoa mix.
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I was going to say I had c rats from 47 white beans ham i think lol didn't think anyone would believe me.we had a A4 fall off a stand went through the wing, jp5 all over the hanger bay we stayed at GQ for 8 hrs. the cigarettes were so old and dry you couldn't smoke them, that was the first and last with the c rats TG
flydangler
In all my years of service methinks I saw very few fat Marines. IMHO 'tis doubtful starvation was the reason though, eh?
QUOTE(Marine @ May 5 2006, 10:30 PM)
I never could develop a taste for the ham and eggs no matter what I tried to cover up the real taste with
I actually liked the ham and eggs, 'specially if I mixed in the cheese from the cheese and crackers, eh? Methinks the one C-rat I just couldn't stomach was the ham and lima beans.

C-rats were so heavy to pack with you though, and we'd often leave 'em behind and just carry a bunch of jerkey IOT save weight. Doin' that we actually did see folks get skinnier.
cardinal
All this talk about hams and eggs - maybe Dr. Suess's Green Eggs and Ham was inspired by c-rations. So how many of you knew this?

In 1942, Dr. Seuss turned his energies to direct support of the US government's war effort. First, he worked drawing posters for the Treasury Department and the War Production Board. Then, in 1943, he joined the Army and was sent to Frank Capra's Signal Corps Unit in Hollywood, where he wrote films for the United States Armed Forces, including "Your Job in Germany," a 1945 propaganda film about peace in Europe after World War II, "Design for Death," a study of Japanese culture that won the Academy Award for Best Documentary in 1948, and the Private Snafu series of army training films. While in the Army, he was awarded the Legion of Merit. Dr. Seuss's non-military films from around this time were also well-received; Gerald McBoing-Boing won the Academy Award for Best Short Subject (Animated) in 1951.
Marine
QUOTE(flydangler @ May 6 2006, 09:51 AM)
In all my years of service methinks I saw very few fat Marines. IMHO 'tis doubtful starvation was the reason though, eh?I actually liked the ham and eggs, 'specially if I mixed in the cheese from the cheese and crackers, eh? Methinks the one C-rat I just couldn't stomach was the ham and lima beans.

C-rats were so heavy to pack with you though, and we'd often leave 'em behind and just carry a bunch of jerkey IOT save weight. Doin' that we actually did see folks get skinnier.
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When I came back to Lejuene from Guantanamo the first time there was an E-5 Sergeant there who was a little butterball. He'd been in the Corps for fourteen years, never got office hours, and was still an E-5. Of course you got to bear in mind he went home everyday for lunch and drank a six pack of beer.

He was a spitting image of Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heros. How he passed the PFT evertime was beyond me.

I liked the Ham and Lima beans and their secondary benefit is it was a good way to get private sleeping quarters.
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