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jonnap
On the issue of the Neoconservatives in our government Buchanan is right on.

Neocons
gmanders777
Describing the neocons as "the boat people of the McGovern revolution" in the Democratic party, Buchanan chronicles their journey from left to "right," and their hijacking of the conservative movement. He details the rise of the "Vulcans" in the Bush administration's foreign policy councils, underscoring the key role played by Paul Wolfowitz, who started out as an aide to Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-Boeing), in the 1960s, and wound up the main theoretician of the neoconservative faction within the Reagan administration. Wolfowitz's views became controversial after the Washington Post cited a 1992 memo in which Wolfowitz proposed going to war with the Soviet Union … over Lithuania.


So what do we do?
jonnap
QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 19 2004, 10:14 AM)
Describing the neocons as "the boat people of the McGovern revolution" in the Democratic party, Buchanan chronicles their journey from left to "right," and their hijacking of the conservative movement. He details the rise of the "Vulcans" in the Bush administration's foreign policy councils, underscoring the key role played by Paul Wolfowitz, who started out as an aide to Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-Boeing), in the 1960s, and wound up the main theoretician of the neoconservative faction within the Reagan administration. Wolfowitz's views became controversial after the Washington Post cited a 1992 memo in which Wolfowitz proposed going to war with the Soviet Union … over Lithuania.
So what do we do?
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Out them; send info to everyone you know, letters to the editors, talk to friends. And encourage them to spread the word too.
dss
QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 19 2004, 10:14 AM)
Describing the neocons as "the boat people of the McGovern revolution" in the Democratic party, Buchanan chronicles their journey from left to "right," and their hijacking of the conservative movement. He details the rise of the "Vulcans" in the Bush administration's foreign policy councils, underscoring the key role played by Paul Wolfowitz, who started out as an aide to Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-Boeing), in the 1960s, and wound up the main theoretician of the neoconservative faction within the Reagan administration. Wolfowitz's views became controversial after the Washington Post cited a 1992 memo in which Wolfowitz proposed going to war with the Soviet Union … over Lithuania.
So what do we do?
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The rudder is stuck to the right, so much so that they will soon be looking like a SNL skit of themselves. There is indeed nothing to stop them now, I say, let them run with it.

In the meantime, remember those Reagan Democrats? They, along with the Republicans that voted for Clinton, are likely to become very good friends. There might be quite a few differences between them, but I bet that they could be united with the right message. Bush isn't going to do it, his extra-war-like cabinet won't allow it as they are too close to "victory".
nnrecrut
QUOTE(jonnap @ Nov 19 2004, 08:11 AM)
On the issue of the Neoconservatives in our government Buchanan is right on.

Neocons
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Buchanan has no credibility. He clearly understands the dangers of the Bush admin-his book details this danger and yet he was on Hardball nightly during the election supporting Bush. He announced he would vote for Badnarik earlier in the election season, and then before the election said he was voting for Bush.

His book hasnt been doing well--probably because he talks out of both sides of his mouth and no one listens to him any longer.
jonnap
QUOTE(nnrecrut @ Nov 19 2004, 10:53 AM)
Buchanan has no credibility. He clearly understands the dangers of the Bush admin-his book details this danger and yet he was on Hardball nightly during the election supporting Bush. He announced he would vote for Badnarik earlier in the election season, and then before the election said he was voting for Bush.

His book hasnt been doing well--probably because he talks out of both sides of his mouth and no one listens to him any longer.
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He is not the answer for sure but he does articulate the problem clearly. He has been discredited but on this issue he is right on. We need someone else with credibility who shares his belief about this menace. Is there anyone out there?
jonnap
QUOTE(nnrecrut @ Nov 19 2004, 10:53 AM)
Buchanan has no credibility. He clearly understands the dangers of the Bush admin-his book details this danger and yet he was on Hardball nightly during the election supporting Bush. He announced he would vote for Badnarik earlier in the election season, and then before the election said he was voting for Bush.

His book hasnt been doing well--probably because he talks out of both sides of his mouth and no one listens to him any longer.
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Maybe some credibility here.

Antiwar.com
nnrecrut
QUOTE(jonnap @ Nov 19 2004, 09:29 AM)
Maybe some credibility here.

Antiwar.com
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Interesting article. Would anyone know if Bush would need to get the "authority to go to war" from congress in order to attack Iran? I thought that authority was required before any attack or invasion, however, I have been told that Bush got his authority when he attacked Iraq--and that authority is valid for any country he wishes to attack now.
jonnap
QUOTE(nnrecrut @ Nov 19 2004, 01:38 PM)
Interesting article. Would anyone know if Bush would need to get the "authority to go to war" from congress in order to attack Iran? I thought that authority was required before any attack or invasion, however, I have been told that Bush got his authority when he attacked Iraq--and that authority is valid for any country he wishes to attack now.
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Do you have any doubt that this "rubber stamp" congress would deny him?
JunkYardDogg
If you really want to learn about the history, founders, philosophy, and goals
of the Neo Cons , read "The Yurica Report", see link,
it is 48 pages long but worth every word. It is very DISTURBING
From now on, refer to them as "Diminionists", not Neocons
They are operating a True Shadow Government now
[url=http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm]url
Spread this site to everybody you know
onlyinNY
QUOTE(nnrecrut @ Nov 19 2004, 09:53 AM)
Buchanan has no credibility. He clearly understands the dangers of the Bush admin-his book details this danger and yet he was on Hardball nightly during the election supporting Bush. He announced he would vote for Badnarik earlier in the election season, and then before the election said he was voting for Bush.

His book hasnt been doing well--probably because he talks out of both sides of his mouth and no one listens to him any longer.
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I think buchanon was an anti-kerry vote, more then a pro-bush one. I believe he was picking candidate that is closest to his stances. I absolutely think he is credible in his disappointment with Bush. And i like it when people actually stand for their principals, even if I do not agree with them. It shows strength and courage on his part. He was pro-bush till he saw Bush's work, It apparently caused some worries for him after watching 4 years of false conservative politics. He stands for the true conservative values that Bush promised yet failed to deliver. I think the high deficit and false Iraq war excuses among other things actually anger guys like Buchanon and I for one applaud his honesty!!
TheRestofUs
QUOTE(jonnap @ Nov 19 2004, 05:50 PM)
Do you have any doubt that this "rubber stamp" congress would deny him?
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BushCo. is totally in charge, laws, the Constitution, nothing will stop them from doing whatever they want.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't go down fighting, maybe a "miracle" will happen!

It's gonna take one.

Forebearance is the only long term national stratedgy we have. mad.gif
tomhye
QUOTE(nnrecrut @ Nov 19 2004, 10:38 AM)
Interesting article. Would anyone know if Bush would need to get the "authority to go to war" from congress in order to attack Iran? I thought that authority was required before any attack or invasion, however, I have been told that Bush got his authority when he attacked Iraq--and that authority is valid for any country he wishes to attack now.
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That's one thing that was misunderstood about the Iraq resolution, it really had little impact. He can send troops into a hostile situation but has to notify the congressional leadership within a given timeframe and then after 90 days they can stop him. Congress would be very unlikely to stop him because it could increase danger to troops already committed. He can't declare war, he could just do it like VietNam, never ask for a declaration of war.
wliberty
In most cases I can't stand Buchanan. I have heard him discuss his book and he's right on. How someone who believes what he believes can vote for Bush is beyond me. Patriotisim doesn't seem to mean much.
savemefrombush
OUR CONGRESS REPRESENTATIVES HAVE TO START SHOUTING FROM THE ROOF TOPS. Presently they are acting like wimps!
Nes Tona
My view on the neocons is that they are centered squarely on Israel's security and nothing else. They have been planning these wars in the Middle East for years now, even before 911. I know that many in the neocon group are not Jewish, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, but they certainly have aligned themselves with the Israel-first crowd.
mistral
QUOTE(Nes Tona @ Dec 23 2004, 10:09 PM)
My view on the neocons is that they are centered squarely on Israel's security and nothing else. They have been planning these wars in the Middle East for years now, even before 911. I know that many in the neocon group are not Jewish, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, but they certainly have aligned themselves with the Israel-first crowd.
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welcome Nes Tona...you are picking deep in the archives of the forum! :o I agree with you but keep my mouth shut because of being strongly influenced by my european roots... cool.gif
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