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Fascinating read. Neocons
QUOTE(jonnap @ Nov 19 2004, 09:16 AM)
Great posting jonnap. I will get that book a.s.a.p.
A.B.
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Nov 19 2004, 06:44 PM)
Great posting jonnap. I will get that book a.s.a.p.
A.B.
A.B.
This is a subject Alexander Cockburn has spoken about for some time..
From 2000 is a Counterpunch article in about Libertarian conservative Justin Raimondo and Antiwar.com
http://www.counterpunch.org/leftlibertarian.html
Well, it certainly goes to show that political orientation isn't simply a straight line going from right to left, but more of a circle, where if you go far enough left, you will meet up with the folks who have arrived at the same point by travelling rightward.
I would think that it would give folks just a little pause to find they share so much in common with an extremist idealogue like Buchanan.
That it doesn't speaks volumes.
I would think that it would give folks just a little pause to find they share so much in common with an extremist idealogue like Buchanan.
That it doesn't speaks volumes.
QUOTE(Eugeenie @ Nov 21 2004, 01:43 PM)
Well, it certainly goes to show that political orientation isn't simply a straight line going from right to left, but more of a circle, where if you go far enough left, you will meet up with the folks who have arrived at the same point by travelling rightward.
I would think that it would give folks just a little pause to find they share so much in common with an extremist idealogue like Buchanan.
That it doesn't speaks volumes.
I would think that it would give folks just a little pause to find they share so much in common with an extremist idealogue like Buchanan.
That it doesn't speaks volumes.
With a Defense Department hijacked by war profiteers and ideologues I will take help anywhere I can find it- I want my country back.
It is interesting to note what Patrick J. Buchanan had to say in the years just prior to 911.....
http://www.ceip.org/people/kagfaff.htm
And from PNAC....
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuildi...casDefenses.pdf
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"if we continue on this course of reflexive interventions, enemies will one day answer our power with the weapon of the weak – terror, and eventually cataclysmic terrorism on U.S. soil." His 2000 presidential campaign was the occasion for an eerie premonition of our present predicament:
"Will it take some cataclysmic atrocity on U.S. soil to awaken our global gamesmen to the going price of empire?"
Around the the same time "Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy" was written by William Kristol and Robert Kagan which describes the very neocon hell Paleocons ,Libertarians, and good old fashioned Populist Democrats detest...."Will it take some cataclysmic atrocity on U.S. soil to awaken our global gamesmen to the going price of empire?"
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What should that role be? Benevolent global hegemony. Having defeated the "evil empire," the United States enjoys strategic and ideological predominance. The first objective of U.S. foreign policy should be to preserve and enhance that predominance by strengthening America's security, supporting its friends, advancing its interests, and standing up for its principles around the world.
Emphasis mine.http://www.ceip.org/people/kagfaff.htm
And from PNAC....
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Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.
Emphasis mine.http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuildi...casDefenses.pdf
I like Buchanan, even though on some things we don't agree. But people who would support Buchanan need to be incorporated into the New Progressive Majority that we need to form.
QUOTE(beamer619 @ Nov 21 2004, 03:07 PM)
I like Buchanan, even though on some things we don't agree. But people who would support Buchanan need to be incorporated into the New Progressive Majority that we need to form.
For me the perfect candidate woud be a combination of Ralph Nader and Pat. Green, isolationist, anti globalism, anti Nafta, pro choice and gay rights, tough immigration policy. Anybody out there?
QUOTE(Eugeenie @ Nov 21 2004, 12:43 PM)
Well, it certainly goes to show that political orientation isn't simply a straight line going from right to left, but more of a circle, where if you go far enough left, you will meet up with the folks who have arrived at the same point by travelling rightward.
I would think that it would give folks just a little pause to find they share so much in common with an extremist idealogue like Buchanan.
That it doesn't speaks volumes.
I would think that it would give folks just a little pause to find they share so much in common with an extremist idealogue like Buchanan.
That it doesn't speaks volumes.
No. There are things that are differentiated by the left and right, and some by right and wrong.
As far as idealogues go, the present adminstration is well to the right of Nixon, where Buchanan started. This adminstration has chosen a radical path of pre-emptive war that "extremist" Buchanan and his paleocon ilk would have never pondered. And now the neos are beating the war drums of alarmism about Iran's threat, ever ready as they are to send other peoples children to die for their "Benevolent global hegemony".
QUOTE(beamer619 @ Nov 21 2004, 03:07 PM)
I like Buchanan, even though on some things we don't agree. But people who would support Buchanan need to be incorporated into the New Progressive Majority that we need to form.
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