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rox63
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/15/washington/15dobson.html

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May 15, 2006

Conservative Christians Criticize Republicans

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

WASHINGTON, May 13 — Some of President Bush's most influential conservative Christian allies are becoming openly critical of the White House and Republicans in Congress, warning that they will withhold their support in the midterm elections unless Congress does more to oppose same-sex marriage, obscenity and abortion.

"There is a growing feeling among conservatives that the only way to cure the problem is for Republicans to lose the Congressional elections this fall," said Richard Viguerie, a conservative direct-mail pioneer.

Mr. Viguerie also cited dissatisfaction with government spending, the war in Iraq and the immigration-policy debate, which Mr. Bush is scheduled to address in a televised speech on Monday night.

"I can't tell you how much anger there is at the Republican leadership," Mr. Viguerie said. "I have never seen anything like it."

In the last several weeks, Dr. James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family and one of the most influential Christian conservatives, has publicly accused Republican leaders of betraying the social conservatives who helped elect them in 2004. He has also warned in private meetings with about a dozen of the top Republicans in Washington that he may turn critic this fall unless the party delivers on conservative goals.

And at a meeting in Northern Virginia this weekend of the Council for National Policy, an alliance of the most prominent Christian conservatives, several participants said sentiment toward the White House and Republicans in Congress had deteriorated sharply since the 2004 elections.

When the group met in the summer of 2004, it resembled a pep rally for Mr. Bush and his allies on Capitol Hill, and one session focused on how to use state initiatives seeking to ban same-sex marriage to help turn out the vote. This year, some participants are complaining that as soon as Mr. Bush was re-elected he stopped expressing his support for a constitutional amendment banning such unions.

Christian conservative leaders have often threatened in the months before an election to withhold their support for Republicans in an effort to press for their legislative goals. In the 1990's, Dr. Dobson in particular became known for his jeremiads against the Republican party, most notably in the months before the 1998 midterm elections.

But the complaints this year are especially significant because they underscore how the broad decline in public approval for Mr. Bush and Congressional Republicans is beginning to cut into their core supporters. The threatened defections come just two years after many Christian conservatives — most notably Dr. Dobson — abandoned much of their previous reservations and poured energy into electing Republicans in 2004.

Dr. Dobson gave his first presidential endorsement to Mr. Bush and held get-out-the-vote rallies that attracted thousands of admirers in states with pivotal Senate races while Focus on the Family and many of its allies helped register voters in conservative churches.

Republican officials, who were granted anonymity to speak publicly because of the sensitivity of the situation, acknowledged the difficult political climate but said they planned to rally conservatives by underscoring the contrast with Democrats and emphasizing the recent confirmations of two conservatives to the Supreme Court.

Midterm Congressional elections tend to be won by whichever side can motivate more true believers to vote. Dr. Dobson and other conservatives are renewing their complaints about the Republicans at a time when several recent polls have shown sharp declines in approval among Republicans and conservatives. And compared with other constituencies, evangelical Protestants have historically been suspicious of the worldly business of politics and thus more prone to stay home unless they feel clear moral issues are at stake.

"When a president is in a reasonably strong position, these kind of leaders don't have a lot of leverage," said Charlie Cook, a nonpartisan political analyst. "But when the president is weak, they tend to have a lot of leverage."

Dr. Dobson, whose daily radio broadcast has millions of listeners, has already signaled his willingness to criticize Republican leaders. In a recent interview with Fox News on the eve of a visit to the White House, he accused Republicans of "just ignoring those that put them in office."

Dr. Dobson cited the House's actions on two measures that passed over the objections of social conservatives: a hate-crime bill that extended protections to gay people, and increased support for embryonic stem cell research.

"There's just very, very little to show for what has happened," Dr. Dobson said, "and I think there's going to be some trouble down the road if they don't get on the ball."

According to people who were at the meetings or were briefed on them, Dr. Dobson has made the same point more politely in a series of private conversations over the last two weeks in meetings with several top Republicans, including Karl Rove, the president's top political adviser; Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, the Republican leader; Representative J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois, the House speaker; and Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the majority leader.

"People are getting concerned that they have not seen some of these issues move forward that were central to the 2004 election," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, who attended the meetings.

Richard D. Land, a top official of the Southern Baptist Convention who has been one of Mr. Bush's most loyal allies, said in an interview last week that many conservatives were upset that Mr. Bush had not talked more about a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.

"A lot of people are disappointed that he hasn't put as much effort into the marriage amendment as he did for the prescription drug benefit or Social Security reform," Dr. Land said.

Republicans say they are taking steps to revive their support among Christian conservatives. On Thursday night, Mr. Rove made the case for the party at a private meeting of the Council for National Policy, participants said.

In addition to reminding conservatives of the confirmations of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. to the Supreme Court, party strategists say the White House and Senate Republicans are escalating their fights against the Democrats over conservative nominees to lower federal courts, and the Senate is set to revive the same-sex marriage debate next month with a vote on the proposed amendment.

But it is unclear how much Congressional Republicans will be able to do for social conservatives before the next election.

No one expects the same-sex marriage amendment to pass this year. Republican leaders have not scheduled votes on a measure to outlaw transporting minors across state lines for abortions, and the proposal faces long odds in the Senate. A measure to increase obscenity fines for broadcasters is opposed by media industry trade groups, pitting Christian conservatives against the business wing of the party, and Congressional leaders have not committed to bring it to a vote.

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and another frequent participant in the Council for National Policy, argued that Christian conservatives were hurting their own cause.

"If the Republicans do poorly in 2006," Mr. Norquist said, "the establishment will explain that it was because Bush was too conservative, specifically on social and cultural issues."

Dr. Dobson declined to comment. His spokesman, Paul Hetrick, said that Dr. Dobson was "on a fact-finding trip to see where Republicans are regarding the issues that concern values voters most, especially the Marriage Protection Act," and that it was too soon to tell the results.
bigtom
QUOTE(rox63 @ May 15 2006, 10:10 AM)



Mr Dobson is nuts! 2cents.gif

GW is going to regret making any kind of a deal with those types.....

Watch them Republicans splinter over this tongue.gif ..........
Bampa
Maybe a bit of the o'l medicine that they dealt now is coming around; divide and conquer. teehee.gif
bigtom
QUOTE(Bampa @ May 15 2006, 12:15 PM)
Maybe a bit of the o'l medicine that they dealt now is coming around; divide and conquer.    teehee.gif
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For some reason the picture of a snake eating it's own tail comes to mind!
cardinal
Here's one blogger who thinks it's part of the game plan.

Writing History in Advance

The New York Times is reporting that the Christian Right might withhold its support for Republicans in the 2006 election unless the GOP leadership starts getting its major priorities through congress.

Noam Schieber thinks its a bluff. But I think its shrewd politics, and not because I think it will work. There is simply no way that the Federal Marriage Amendment, a bar on stem cell research, further restrictions on contraceptive use, or any other such policies are going to pass by the time we get to midterms. But that is not what I think the Religious Right's leadership is going for here. I think they've already decided that the GOP is going to take a considerable hit in the 2006 elections, and is acting to make that outcome seem resultant of insufficient social conservatism.

continued at http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2006/05/writi...in-advance.html
GoIllini
QUOTE(bigtom @ May 15 2006, 11:01 AM)
Mr Dobson is nuts! 2cents.gif

GW is going to regret making any kind of a deal  with those types.....

Watch them Republicans splinter over this tongue.gif ..........
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Correction:

Dr. Dobson spins Christianity into a religion about conservative values by taking stuff out of context.

Don't you worry. In four years, he'll be back raising money to defend against social liberals' "attacks" on Christianity and supporting the Republican party, unless we can actually help the Church reform in the interim. I'm just scared that all of this politics is going to turn off evangelicals and get them to give up their faith. IMHO, if several million Christians up-and-decide to become agnostics, that would really hurt the country. (I don't mean to offend anyone with that comment, and recognize that someone of another faith would feel the same way about his/her religion, based on deeply held beliefs.)

What scares me about this is the fact that Dobson isn't complaining about other actions of the Bush administration that almost all Christians can agree on. IMHO, misleading us into a war is probably a sin. Same with deliberately breaking FISA law (or any law). Dobson is apparently more concerned about the "christian values" needed to stop abortion and gay marriage than the Christian Values we need to preserve our democracy.
JasonATexan
The funniest thing is when they call BUSH LIBERAL LOL
bigtom
QUOTE(GoIllini @ May 15 2006, 09:48 PM)
Correction:

Dr. Dobson spins Christianity into a religion about conservative values by taking stuff out of context.

Don't you worry.  In four years, he'll be back raising money to defend against social liberals' "attacks" on Christianity and supporting the Republican party, unless we can actually help the Church reform in the interim.  I'm just scared that all of this politics is going to turn off evangelicals and get them to give up their faith.  IMHO, if several million Christians up-and-decide to become agnostics, that would really hurt the country.  (I don't mean to offend anyone with that comment, and recognize that someone of another faith would feel the same way about his/her religion, based on deeply held beliefs.)

What scares me about this is the fact that Dobson isn't complaining about other actions of the Bush administration that almost all Christians can agree on.  IMHO, misleading us into a war is probably a sin.  Same with deliberately breaking FISA law (or any law).  Dobson is apparently more concerned about the "christian values" needed to stop abortion and gay marriage than the Christian Values we need to preserve our democracy.
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Point taken.

But hopefully some people might be drawn to some higher truth rather than agnosticism once they become disgusted with the political process. Real faith can lead to real change. flowersun.gif
Indianhead
I expect Republicans to try to seize these issues
as their bread and butter soon and until the November
elections. They can't handle anything complex and
they desperately want an "us and them" set
of issues to satisfy their base.

I don't think it's going to be a good summer/fall
for those for "choice" or gay Americans, because they are
the "common enemies" the GOP always turns to when
they are in trouble. And, the GOP majority still controls
the agenda in Congress.

I believe the plan is to push the issues, "respond" to the
push and bring them (the religious right) back in with
their issues up front.

The GOP's problems are that by doing so: moderate and libertarian
Republicans (plus the Log Cabin guys) will be totally
turned off; and, fiscal and traditional conservatives who see
immigration and the war as bigger issues will be ignored
.

I say we open a rope outlet and give 'em all they want.
grammydidi
2cents.gif

I think a lot of people are finally realizing that one cannot serve two masters. Our Founding Fathers got it right a long time ago; there must be a realistic balance between the country and religion.

If one's religious beliefs are so strong that one follows an extremely narrow path, it will lead only to destruction. Example: if people vote Republican based on the campaign rhetoric that abortion will (or will not) be outlawed and ignore the pending wars the Bush administration evidently condones across the globe, what kind of religion do they really have? Christianity advocates peace and getting along with neighbors, not war. So........it follows that those voters are serving only their version of religion, and neglecting their loyalty to their country.


The nation comes first, as a whole. Freedom of religion is part of the whole, not the be all and end all. And abortion, or gay marriage, or a myriad of other social issues are even smaller parts of the whole.
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