Voter fraud has probably been rampant for the last 4 to 6 years, but has slid under our radar.

Of coure, we all know about Florida 2000.

But what about Max Cleland's unexpected defeat in Georgia? There was a huge turnaround between the polls and the vote on election day, in favor of the Republican.

What about the Republican victory over Paul Wellstone's democratic replacement? Again, another huge, unexpected swing on election day towards the Republican.

If at all possible, I would like to see facts and figures here about House, Senate, and Gubernatorial races here from 1993 onward that swung wildly away from polls and gave Republicans victories over Democrats.

I think this has been going on for a long time, especially in Senate races. I'm willing to bet that the Senate would be at least 50-50 right now without those stolen elections.

True, but only now its overwhelmingly noticeable because technology....Technology gives us the truth about what is going on because, its advanced enough to compare results so quickly and so fast we know just how much tampering was committed and we know just how they were involved.

Before the machine era, voting was just your every day punch cards where very little fraud really got discovered, too same day same out. When the whole system changes and becomes artificial technology, thats when the floodgates blow open.....

No -- we had exit polls and we had actual vote counts. That is all we need to detect wild discrepancies. No need for technology whatsoever. The exit polls have been very accurate since the 1970s. Again -- no technology there, just the science of statistics, which can be done with pencil and paper if necessary.

Kennedy (the OTHER JFK). Ever hear of Tammany Hall or all the dead people who voted in Chicago? It was cute when he did it. :D

now we know what * meant when he said "its hard work."

It probably has gone on for a long time - I also suspect that is why we haven't been able to at least have an even playing field in congress.

I was just a baby when JFkennedy was elected. There was a lot of speculation that the election was rigged... I don't recall ( had a diaper) but I heard that there was one state that he beat nixon in that had the names of dead people registered. Does anyone recall this and can elaborate?

The point is... corruption goea back... on both sides of the fence... thus the movement for the third parties. It seems that the GOP has improved thier tactics since watergate. ( I was around then)

duh... should have read back a little furhter in the thread...same wave length

Okay -- sigh -- I guess I'll have to do it myself:

From:

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688


This election is not the first suspicious venture into electronic voting. In Georgia, in November 2002, Democratic Gov. Roy Barnes led by 11 percent and Democratic Sen. Max Cleland was in front by 5 percent just before the election – the first ever conducted entirely on touch-screen electronic machines, and counted entirely by company employees, rather than public officials – but mysterious election-day swings of 16 percent and 12 percent defeated both of these popular incumbents. In Minnesota, Democrat Walter Mondale (replacing beloved Sen. Paul Wellstone, who died in a plane crash), lost in an amazing last-moment 11 percent vote swing recorded on electronic machines. Then, in 2003, what's known as "black box voting" helped Arnold Schwarzenegger – who had deeply offended female, Latino and Jewish voters – defeat a popular Latino Democrat who substantially led in polls a week before the election.