Channel 4 CBS News in Boston reports:

http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_152153435.html

9-11 Video Game Circulating On Internet
Lisa Hughes
Reporting

(Video report with game action shots at link)

(CBS4) A disturbing video game about 9-11 is circulating on the internet. The images are reminiscent of a terrible day in our history. While some would say it's in bad taste, we spoke with a woman who lost her husband on 9-11 who says, it's worse.

“They owe every family who lost someone on nine eleven a personal apology,” said Cindy McGinty. She is referring to the makers of the internet video game "New York Defender."

It encourages players to "use your mouse and fight back" by shooting down planes before they get to the World Trade towers. If they miss, the planes hit the towers and they crumble. Just like 9-11.

“Many people don't connect what happened. People died, my family is changed forever,” said McGinty. “So how could that be in anybody's mind an appropriate game?”

Cindy's husband, Mike, was working in one the towers that day.

“I go to bed every night because I know, based on where Mike was in the building, he was trapped and died in the collapse. So when I watch a game like that, that's the vision that goes through my head is Mike.”

For nearly five years now Cindy and thousands of other families have lived with that grief, which is why this so-called game feels insensitive and insulting.

“I can't think of any other motivation other than a sick mind… People don't make the connection; it's not real to them. Well let me tell you, it's real to my family and all the other families who lost someone.”

The game has actually been around since 2002. We e-mailed several different sites that host the game and have not gotten a response.

(© MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)


The video report also notes the "Lee Harvey Oswald" game....

Sick Bastards, i found it. Its at ebaums world and they have a section for hate mail too.


If you'd like to see the game and leave a comment it's here..........
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/games/new-york-defender.html

Where were the REAL military planes that morning?

Up in Canada.

Controlled by Dick Cheney.

see Operation Northern Vigilance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_games_in_...tember_11,_2001

I don't need a game to tell me who didn't do it (the 19 "terrorists")

Is Bush41 a part of the game? If not it's not accurate

He should be the evil warlord in the game who is controlling the plane through remote control

Please don't feed the destructive forces at work here. Its a free country; but if you choose to take part in the "terrorists didn't do it" movement then please accept responsibility for the damage that YOU do to this country!

I have often wondered why NORAD didn't shoot down the planes, apparantly other people do too.

Understanding what NORAD's mission is will go a long way in explaining this.

What is the definition of the word terrorist?

To 50 percent of the country, they don't buy Bush's story

Give us an investigation with full supeona power, under oath and let's get the truth out

Just cuz someone was selected illegally for President, doesn't mean that person is a patriot. Bush is not patriotic.

Those wanting the truth are the patriots.

Impeach him now

Mac, I'd like for you to explain some things:

1) What the are the "forces" you see at work here?
2) How are they destructive?
3) Of what are they destructive?
4) How does "the terrorists didn't do it "movement damage the country?

Oh, and one other thing, is this a game you'd play, or you'd want your friends and children to play?

This is one of those "cute" dismissive and way off-target responses that attempts to sweep aside reams of information.

If you are going to suggest that the NORAD mission was still stuck on the Cold War and the threats from far offshore, then surely you can explain how the entire military structure ignored Desert Storm, or the matter of the USS Vincennes, or the entire body of research known as TADMUS, or the countless warnings prior to 9/11, or the fact that the US military and civilian community had been drilling for the use of commercial aircraft used as missiles.

If the NORAD mission was so inflexible that it could not adjust to circumstances with over an hour's advanced notice, then it's got a real problem with its leadership. Of course, that leadership got promoted for the fabulous job done that day.

Furthermore, this kind of response fails to address in any way what was going on with and within the numerous "war games" being run to address a problem strangely coincident with the one that really went down.

Do you have friends in high places, Frenchy? Perhaps they might offer up some explanations that are better than those offered up thus far.

I worked under the auspices of NORAD for four years with four different Air Defense Sectors. My specific area was Survailance/Identification.
It's quite simple...My job was not designed to identify the enemy originating from within the defense sector, nor scrambling Interceptors on know commercial transponder signatures (squawk modes).

While it's disgusting and I think it's the worst thing someone can do what do you think about games though like Pearl Harbor, Iraq, Afghainstan etc?

Please explain?

You make accusations, but how is questioning a totally illogical government answer to something wrong?

You just don't want the truth to come out.

It is already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that 9-11 did not happen the way
it was said by bushfamily.

Just mind games, distortion, killing, collateral damage, $$$$$ and lies (or business as usually for Bush 41 and his kids)

I got to 2841 before it was to complicated. Lost the right side towel and then shortly after that the left side fell. That was weird cause I was trying to shoot down normally. This game that they made it off of is a classic arcade game they just used the concept. I do think it was a bad idea. I like the classic version much better.

Okay -- how about the "terrorists probably did it, but BushCo was either completely asleep at the switch, or may have wanted it to happen" movement? Would that damage the country?

Would a 9/11 Investigation panel damage the country? Bush sure didn't want that!!!! How about a second investigation? Let's figure out who was doing the insider trading on Sept. 10th. Let's figure out why the Secret Service completely failed in their duty to whisk Bush away when it was obvious the country was under attack. Let's figure out who called Willie Brown and told him not to fly on that day. Let's figure out what was going to be in that NY Times story that never got printed.

Note: NONE of the above implies that terrorists didn't do it. It does imply that there are a LOT of unanswered questions, perhaps vital questions, that need answering.

What years did you serve in these roles?

In 2001, did someone have the job of identifying threats from within or scrambling interceptors on known civil air problems?

Were there not pre-existent protocols for civil air problems? Why were these altered to make the critical decisions flow through an off-line executive?

Do you think it unreasonable that something could have been done to protect the Pentagon with over 30 minutes advanced notice after the second impact in New York?

You made a statement.

I asked you four questions facilitate your futher explanation of that statement.

And you want me to explain myself?

Weren't the questions lucid and straight-forward enough?

Or are you playing some kind of game here?

A long time ago...I have no idea what changes have been made in air defense protocol since then. I do know that FFA/ATC had the lead role in tracking internal flights, as they had flight plan information that we did not have.
Being able to identify aircraft using transponder replies is a convoluted matter. Suffice it to say that air defense radar is attuned to squawk mode codes that are non-commercial.

When did we stop seeing each other as human beings?

Frenchy, here's three pertinent links:

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Joint Chiefs of Staff instruction changing "shoot-down" procedure and
inserting Rumsfeld into the chain of command for that protocol...


Pilots were allowed to carry guns on planes for 40 years up until 2 months until 9-11.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
FAA rescinds rules allowing pilots to be armed in July 2001

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...10/194540.shtml
House votes to allow pilots to have guns again in 2002...

... and Cheney was put in charge of all counter-terrorism efforts and exercises and war games...

and according to National Geographic documentary (see the 9/11 thread for the link), the Secret Service had knowledge of hijackings expected to occur that day as early as 7:30 AM, and activated their command center subsequent to that information an hour before the first plane took off...

and the offices of the National Reconnaissance Office (the folks who run and monitor our spy satellites) were evacuated in a mock drill...

and there's more...

"1) What the are the "forces" you see at work here?
2) How are they destructive?
3) Of what are they destructive?
4) How does "the terrorists didn't do it "movement damage the country?"

You do need explanation, there is not much else for those who continue down the road of destruction.

1. The forces at work are numerous: Those who are complicit, jealous, greedy, spiteful, vane, cowardly and ignorant.

2. Obvious; these forces feed the guilty parties who have claimed responsibility for the 9-11 attacks.

3. Obvious, they destroy the unity that helps work for a safer world.

4. As above they feed the forces who have claimed responsibility for the 9-11 attacks that continue to seek to kill, main, and harm the innocent.


Sadly, many Americans and posters here on this forum have aided the forces who claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. In the end there is no excuse for this; not even ignorance.

You are talking in riddles, Mac, and I can't respond to riddles.

Which forces have claimed responsibility for 9/11?

If you think that is a riddle, then you probably cannot respond.


Al Queda is a pretty well understood force, although there are sub-groups which certaily must be included.

As i recall Bin Laden claimed no responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. Nor is he even wanted in connection for those attacks to this day. Check the FBI website for confirmation of this. No-one has been held accountable for the attacks to this day.
They did release a fake video of Bin Laden confessing to it later on though.

Maybe you need to study a little history Mac2. The CIA created Al Qaeda and the House of Saud funded it. There is an older documentary from PBS called "Terrorist's Among us" that covers it pretty well.

So if I understand you correctly, Mac, you are applying the favorite NeoCon tactic of lumping me and others who ask questions about what happened, what's going on, and where we are headed as supporters of terrorism.

This is an extension of the "you're with us or you're against us" mentality that has so grossly divided the nation and which dismisses and dehumanizes millions of US citizens.

If this is the case, I wholly reject such analysis and labeling, and would politely (note, moderators, the degree of my politeness) tell you what you can do with that argument.

If you can provide coherent answers for the questions I noted in another thread,

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...pic=56886&st=60

I'd be delighted to hear them.

I, for one, don't understand how any of this makes us or the world safer and more secure. Furthermore, it has led to massive amounts of corruption, loss of our liberties, and the kinds of excesses discussed broadly here at CGCS.

I'd rather take my chances with a clean government, a free and independent press, an accountable Administration, an active and curious legislative body, courts that operate openly rather than secretly, etc.

It is not the people who ask questions who are aiding the enemy. It is the people in Washington who foment events, operations, wars and worse for the sake of lining their pockets who are aiding the enemy.

And if, in asking these questions and fighting to secure the freedoms written into the Constitution, I am "aiding the enemy", then I'm in good company. Standing behind me are a bunch of fellows known as the Founding Fathers.