posted at democratic underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=104x2731186
New Report, Footage Surfaces On Mass Graves Of US Soldiers
Nov 16, 2004
By Bruce Kennedy, JUS
In August, reports began surfacing about incidents of dead American bodies being dumped into the Diali River by US helicopters in the early morning hours. Fishermen on the Diali river area , a small river originates in Iran and ends at Deglah, 60 kilometer east of Baghdad, were the first to notice the American practice of dumping bodies wrapped in black plastic bags from helicopters at dawn time into the river. Some of the bodies, still wrapped in plastic bags, were caught in their fishing nets.
Over the next few weeks more bodies were found in other locations including Al-Tharthar in Sammara and Wadi Hairan in Al-Ratibah. The bodies have been collected and buried in the general areas of those locations.
A new report has now surfaced on the Arabic website abolkhaseb.net, accompanied by some footage, which provides an in-depth analysis of the discovery of the bodies. The writer of the five page report (in Arabic) goes into great detail details about locations and how the bodies were dumped in rivers and remote desert locations. The author claims to have talked to two American female soldiers and an American communications officer who reluctantly confirmed the finding but said that most of these bodies were mercenaries who were promised high paying job and in some case US citizenship.
The narrator on the film clip indicates that the bodies were taken from the mass graves to an undisclosed grave and they will be handed over to Red Crescent, Red Cross or any organization that promises to get the truth out.
Both the narrator and the author of the report give evidence which they conclude are the reasons why the Americans would dispose of dead soldiers in this fashion, specifically to hide casualties especially in an election year and that because many of the bodies were badly burned, such as occurs in explosions, the Americans would fear a of public backlash if this kind of carnage resulted.
The narrator on the film presents some convincing reasons why it is believed these bodies are Americans, besides the fact that some were seen being dropped from US helicopters by the fisherman, namely
•The bodies are tall, unlike Iraqis or many other Middle Eastern nationalities.
•The bodies were wrapped in the type of plastic bags used only by Americans.
•Their complexions when the bodies are not completely burned and could be inspected are mostly white.
•Their teeth are well maintained unlike those of individuals in poorer countries like Iraq.
The author of the text document claims that interviews with some soldiers and officers who refused to give their names confirmed the identity of soldiers and the validity of the findings, in addition to the Iraqi fishermen who witnessed the dumping of bodies into the river by copters in the early hours of the morning over a long period of time.
JUS translators are currently underway translating this lengthy document which we will make available in its entirety when the work is complete. In between time, you can view the footage by pasting the following link into your browser.
WARNING!!!! Graphic Content Advisory. Do not proceed if you are sensitive to graphic content.
http://www.abolkhaseb.net/media/vedio/shot6.wmv
Full Version: Footage Surfaces On Mass Graves Of US Soldiers
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I hope that story isn't true. I'll withhold judgement for now, simply to maintain my sanity.
link is no good
The link doesn't work, nor will the story most likely.
QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 20 2004, 11:19 PM)
link is no good
That is why I posted to the orginal post of this. I didn't look at the video but I posted this because it was at democratic underground. I provided the link to democratic underground to see what they find out. I didn't want to look at the video that is also why I didn't know the link didn't work.
This is one of the most ridiculous items I've ever seen.
Oh yeah and DU is a crappy site. They are sooooooooo, intolerant!
Oh yeah and DU is a crappy site. They are sooooooooo, intolerant!
9. A couple of points you might want to realize...
1. There are a lot of Mercs and private security forces in Iraq.
2. You have NOT seen and MIA reports to date of any soldier (US or Merc)
3. I have not seen any casualty counts on any Mercs at all. Have you?
1. There are a lot of Mercs and private security forces in Iraq.
2. You have NOT seen and MIA reports to date of any soldier (US or Merc)
3. I have not seen any casualty counts on any Mercs at all. Have you?
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Nov 21 2004, 12:45 AM)
9. A couple of points you might want to realize...
1. There are a lot of Mercs and private security forces in Iraq.
2. You have NOT seen and MIA reports to date of any soldier (US or Merc)
3. I have not seen any casualty counts on any Mercs at all. Have you?
1. There are a lot of Mercs and private security forces in Iraq.
2. You have NOT seen and MIA reports to date of any soldier (US or Merc)
3. I have not seen any casualty counts on any Mercs at all. Have you?
Sooo!...What's your point, Jason?
It means,
That the human cost of life is much higher than what is being mentioned. But, we knew that.
That the human cost of life is much higher than what is being mentioned. But, we knew that.
Mercs....reading alot of soldier of fortune aren't we 
.
As I've stated before my wifes civilian nephew is over there, if he dies he'd be shipped back as well. Even the guys burnt on the bridge were eventually shipped back to the family. Yes even "mercs" have family who'd want the body to bury.
I don't think you see the pictures of many contractors because one they aren't dieing in large numbers, most stay in a compound and don't go into bad spots (my wifes nephew as an example) they tend to guard only small area's or pull security details in one area. They aren't out fighting only defending and yes it's much easier to defend then to go attack like the Marines and Army. As far as I know truckers are dieing alot as they must travel, from what I hear that's the most dangerious job.
. As I've stated before my wifes civilian nephew is over there, if he dies he'd be shipped back as well. Even the guys burnt on the bridge were eventually shipped back to the family. Yes even "mercs" have family who'd want the body to bury.
I don't think you see the pictures of many contractors because one they aren't dieing in large numbers, most stay in a compound and don't go into bad spots (my wifes nephew as an example) they tend to guard only small area's or pull security details in one area. They aren't out fighting only defending and yes it's much easier to defend then to go attack like the Marines and Army. As far as I know truckers are dieing alot as they must travel, from what I hear that's the most dangerious job.
10. foreign mercenaries promised citizenship
"mercenaries who were promised high paying job and in some case US citizenship"
I cannot believe Americans would treat their own dead so cavalierly. But non-American, non-regular combatants - that's a different story. I could see that.
"mercenaries who were promised high paying job and in some case US citizenship"
I cannot believe Americans would treat their own dead so cavalierly. But non-American, non-regular combatants - that's a different story. I could see that.
QUOTE(shocked and appalled @ Nov 20 2004, 09:18 PM)
I hope that story isn't true. I'll withhold judgement for now, simply to maintain my sanity.
I agree. But nothing surprises me any more..... when it seems as though you heard it all, something else comes up about the regime, that is even more chocking....
I cannot believe Americans would treat their own dead so cavalierly. But non-American, non-regular combatants - that's a different story. I could see that.
This is amazing....so let me get this right: if it's an american dead body then treat it with all respect....because he or she died for a "good cause" right???....so if it's aan iraqi farmer and his son that caught in the middle of the fight then...well...dump them in their own river or feed them to the dogs right?.....well well..that is truely amazing....nice to know your standards of "civilisation"....even if it was YOUR enemy you need to respect them...according to universal human "law"....and then mybe the Geneva Convention but i guess the U.S. forces just scrapped that...
MacB
This is amazing....so let me get this right: if it's an american dead body then treat it with all respect....because he or she died for a "good cause" right???....so if it's aan iraqi farmer and his son that caught in the middle of the fight then...well...dump them in their own river or feed them to the dogs right?.....well well..that is truely amazing....nice to know your standards of "civilisation"....even if it was YOUR enemy you need to respect them...according to universal human "law"....and then mybe the Geneva Convention but i guess the U.S. forces just scrapped that...
MacB
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Nov 20 2004, 11:10 PM)
posted at democratic underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=104x2731186
New Report, Footage Surfaces On Mass Graves Of US Soldiers
Nov 16, 2004
By Bruce Kennedy, JUS
In August, reports began surfacing about incidents of dead American bodies being dumped into the Diali River by US helicopters in the early morning hours. Fishermen on the Diali river area , a small river originates in Iran and ends at Deglah, 60 kilometer east of Baghdad, were the first to notice the American practice of dumping bodies wrapped in black plastic bags from helicopters at dawn time into the river. Some of the bodies, still wrapped in plastic bags, were caught in their fishing nets.
Over the next few weeks more bodies were found in other locations including Al-Tharthar in Sammara and Wadi Hairan in Al-Ratibah. The bodies have been collected and buried in the general areas of those locations.
A new report has now surfaced on the Arabic website abolkhaseb.net, accompanied by some footage, which provides an in-depth analysis of the discovery of the bodies. The writer of the five page report (in Arabic) goes into great detail details about locations and how the bodies were dumped in rivers and remote desert locations. The author claims to have talked to two American female soldiers and an American communications officer who reluctantly confirmed the finding but said that most of these bodies were mercenaries who were promised high paying job and in some case US citizenship.
The narrator on the film clip indicates that the bodies were taken from the mass graves to an undisclosed grave and they will be handed over to Red Crescent, Red Cross or any organization that promises to get the truth out.
Both the narrator and the author of the report give evidence which they conclude are the reasons why the Americans would dispose of dead soldiers in this fashion, specifically to hide casualties especially in an election year and that because many of the bodies were badly burned, such as occurs in explosions, the Americans would fear a of public backlash if this kind of carnage resulted.
The narrator on the film presents some convincing reasons why it is believed these bodies are Americans, besides the fact that some were seen being dropped from US helicopters by the fisherman, namely
•The bodies are tall, unlike Iraqis or many other Middle Eastern nationalities.
•The bodies were wrapped in the type of plastic bags used only by Americans.
•Their complexions when the bodies are not completely burned and could be inspected are mostly white.
•Their teeth are well maintained unlike those of individuals in poorer countries like Iraq.
The author of the text document claims that interviews with some soldiers and officers who refused to give their names confirmed the identity of soldiers and the validity of the findings, in addition to the Iraqi fishermen who witnessed the dumping of bodies into the river by copters in the early hours of the morning over a long period of time.
JUS translators are currently underway translating this lengthy document which we will make available in its entirety when the work is complete. In between time, you can view the footage by pasting the following link into your browser.
WARNING!!!! Graphic Content Advisory. Do not proceed if you are sensitive to graphic content.
http://www.abolkhaseb.net/media/vedio/shot6.wmv
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=104x2731186
New Report, Footage Surfaces On Mass Graves Of US Soldiers
Nov 16, 2004
By Bruce Kennedy, JUS
In August, reports began surfacing about incidents of dead American bodies being dumped into the Diali River by US helicopters in the early morning hours. Fishermen on the Diali river area , a small river originates in Iran and ends at Deglah, 60 kilometer east of Baghdad, were the first to notice the American practice of dumping bodies wrapped in black plastic bags from helicopters at dawn time into the river. Some of the bodies, still wrapped in plastic bags, were caught in their fishing nets.
Over the next few weeks more bodies were found in other locations including Al-Tharthar in Sammara and Wadi Hairan in Al-Ratibah. The bodies have been collected and buried in the general areas of those locations.
A new report has now surfaced on the Arabic website abolkhaseb.net, accompanied by some footage, which provides an in-depth analysis of the discovery of the bodies. The writer of the five page report (in Arabic) goes into great detail details about locations and how the bodies were dumped in rivers and remote desert locations. The author claims to have talked to two American female soldiers and an American communications officer who reluctantly confirmed the finding but said that most of these bodies were mercenaries who were promised high paying job and in some case US citizenship.
The narrator on the film clip indicates that the bodies were taken from the mass graves to an undisclosed grave and they will be handed over to Red Crescent, Red Cross or any organization that promises to get the truth out.
Both the narrator and the author of the report give evidence which they conclude are the reasons why the Americans would dispose of dead soldiers in this fashion, specifically to hide casualties especially in an election year and that because many of the bodies were badly burned, such as occurs in explosions, the Americans would fear a of public backlash if this kind of carnage resulted.
The narrator on the film presents some convincing reasons why it is believed these bodies are Americans, besides the fact that some were seen being dropped from US helicopters by the fisherman, namely
•The bodies are tall, unlike Iraqis or many other Middle Eastern nationalities.
•The bodies were wrapped in the type of plastic bags used only by Americans.
•Their complexions when the bodies are not completely burned and could be inspected are mostly white.
•Their teeth are well maintained unlike those of individuals in poorer countries like Iraq.
The author of the text document claims that interviews with some soldiers and officers who refused to give their names confirmed the identity of soldiers and the validity of the findings, in addition to the Iraqi fishermen who witnessed the dumping of bodies into the river by copters in the early hours of the morning over a long period of time.
JUS translators are currently underway translating this lengthy document which we will make available in its entirety when the work is complete. In between time, you can view the footage by pasting the following link into your browser.
WARNING!!!! Graphic Content Advisory. Do not proceed if you are sensitive to graphic content.
http://www.abolkhaseb.net/media/vedio/shot6.wmv
Try peddling this to a farmer who needs some fertilizer, what a load of horsesh*t.
QUOTE(ulrika @ Nov 21 2004, 01:14 AM)
I agree. But nothing surprises me any more..... when it seems as though you heard it all, something else comes up about the regime, that is even more chocking....
And here is the most shocking thing I could find at the web site that bogus link was provided for.
Shocking, just shocking!
Nothing surprises me anymore....even people trying to hoodwink others with this kind of crap
Looking at the pic, you can see something floating in the river, but if its what its claimed to be cant be proven by looking at the pic, psfftt. it could be a gator (although honestly i say wether that paticular river has gators or not) in that pic for all you can tell by looking at it.
My whole problem with this story is the american soldiers that are supposedly in on doing this and the logic behind it if it were mercenery bodies.
Soldiers have been known to carry out thier own dead risking thier own lives to make sure they are sent home. I have darn hard time believing this would happen and the soldiers themselves are letting it happen, they would be raising cain from one end of iraq to the other if this was happening.
And suppose it was merceneries, that doesnt seem logical either, afterall logical thinking says that someone would find the bodies, and when they did it would make the americans look worse then what some already make them out to be which would only hurt americas image which would completely go against Bush's plan to make everything look peaches and cream over there.
So imo this story is more lies and munipulation to make america look bad.
My whole problem with this story is the american soldiers that are supposedly in on doing this and the logic behind it if it were mercenery bodies.
Soldiers have been known to carry out thier own dead risking thier own lives to make sure they are sent home. I have darn hard time believing this would happen and the soldiers themselves are letting it happen, they would be raising cain from one end of iraq to the other if this was happening.
And suppose it was merceneries, that doesnt seem logical either, afterall logical thinking says that someone would find the bodies, and when they did it would make the americans look worse then what some already make them out to be which would only hurt americas image which would completely go against Bush's plan to make everything look peaches and cream over there.
So imo this story is more lies and munipulation to make america look bad.
QUOTE(tnwycked @ Nov 21 2004, 01:42 PM)
Soldiers have been known to carry out thier own dead risking thier own lives to make sure they are sent home. I have darn hard time believing this would happen and the soldiers themselves are letting it happen, they would be raising cain from one end of iraq to the other if this was happening.
Obviously some people here believe it's true, or at least they certainly seem to want to believe it. Methinks there be some people here that want to believe anything negative about American forces in Iraq.At least there doesn't seem to be anyone here actively leading those cheering on the Iraqi insurgents in clashes against American and allied forces like we saw on the old Kerry/Edwards forum.
well, IS IT ANY WONDER...that people don't find this beyond the realm of possibility?
we've just had the 3rd set of elections stolen
we have a fascist government
we have been blatantly lied to by that government to get our consent to GO TO WAR
and we ain't seen nothing yet!
I too am usually skeptical of these sort of posts but I would be a liar if I did not say that I CONSIDER THEM WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY!
we've just had the 3rd set of elections stolen
we have a fascist government
we have been blatantly lied to by that government to get our consent to GO TO WAR
and we ain't seen nothing yet!
I too am usually skeptical of these sort of posts but I would be a liar if I did not say that I CONSIDER THEM WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY!
just a note, posting a story doesn't always mean you believe everything. Posting something that is out there is opening up to debate on it. I never said I BELIEVED the story. I'm just posting it because it is out there and leaving it open for others to debate.
I learned a long time ago that claiming something true and forcing something to be true is different from questioning something that could be true or not true. I leave it open to all of you to decide. I just posted the information that I saw.
I learned a long time ago that claiming something true and forcing something to be true is different from questioning something that could be true or not true. I leave it open to all of you to decide. I just posted the information that I saw.
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Nov 21 2004, 05:20 PM)
just a note, posting a story doesn't always mean you believe everything. Posting something that is out there is opening up to debate on it. I never said I BELIEVED the story. I'm just posting it because it is out there and leaving it open for others to debate.
I learned a long time ago that claiming something true and forcing something to be true is different from questioning something that could be true or not true. I leave it open to all of you to decide. I just posted the information that I saw.
I learned a long time ago that claiming something true and forcing something to be true is different from questioning something that could be true or not true. I leave it open to all of you to decide. I just posted the information that I saw.
And posting stuff like this opens this forum to ridicule.
The republicans already think democrats are nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theory crack pots. When I saw it I figure you to either be a conspiracy theory nut or a republican troll.
I think from the response you got that most of the readers thought this to be some kind of farce.
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Nov 21 2004, 06:20 PM)
just a note, posting a story doesn't always mean you believe everything. Posting something that is out there is opening up to debate on it. (remainder snipped for brevity)
Thanks for your amplification! Seeing stoories from varied sources helps to better understand what's really happening. Some are pretty far out and worthy of skepticism, many provide a picture different than what the mainstream media feed us.Keep 'em coming! We may laugh at some after examining them, but never at those that make the effort to provide them. I for one appreciate them all and the folks who bring them to us.
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