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Istoodforu
Thank you Taz for linking us to these articles.

Pape's point that I've quoted below suggests to me that any international peacekeeping force, regardless of its ethnic composition, will run a grave risk of being targeted in terrorist attacks, especially one as large as 500,000. Hezbollah terrorism is about ending military occupation.

It looks like a peacekeeping force will be part of a settlement being negotiated at the UN as we speak. The sticking point is whether or not Hezbollah should have a place at the negotiating table. Many believe that we should never negotiate with terrorists. How do we define who is and is not a terrorist. If we broadly define a terrorist then that leaves out all stakeholders in the conflict except non-Hezbollah civilian representatives of the Lebanese government.

My point here is that Hezbollah needs to be invited to the table in order to reach a settlement that will stick.

QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 4 2006, 08:12 AM)
August 3, 2006
Op-Ed Contributor
Ground to a Halt
By ROBERT PAPE
Chicago
NEW YORK TIMES


In writing my book on suicide attackers, I had researchers scour Lebanese sources to collect martyr videos, pictures and testimonials and the biographies of the Hezbollah bombers. Of the 41, we identified the names, birth places and other personal data for 38. Shockingly, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists. Twenty-seven were from leftist political groups like the Lebanese Communist Party and the Arab Socialist Union. Three were Christians, including a female high-school teacher with a college degree. All were born in Lebanon.

What these suicide attackers — and their heirs today — shared was not a religious or political ideology but simply a commitment to resisting a foreign occupation. Nearly two decades of Israeli military presence did not root out Hezbollah. The only thing that has proven to end suicide attacks, in Lebanon and elsewhere, is withdrawal by the occupying force.

Robert A. Pape, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, is the author of “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.”

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tazvil04
Istoodforu:

I guess we have two different readings of the article...

My reading is that an Israeli occupation would not be successful...since in the past such an occupation in response to attacks by Al Fatah gave rise to the creation of Hezbollah.

But an internaitonal force might work --- though indeed the US forces in 1983 were not successful...though I think this is largely because they were peacekeepers instead of peacemakers...

I think the important distinction that has to be made is that it not be a peacekeeping force, but rather a peacemaking force.

In order to have peacekeepers --- you need to have peace established...

Peace could be established as you mentioned by having Hezbollah prisoners released in return for Hezbollah agreeing to disarm...Peacemakers could take possession of and hold on to the prisoners until they were satisfied that Hezbollah had disarmed.

The peacemakers could then also help to disarm Hezbollah --- and Israel and Syria worked out a plan to stop the resupply of Hezbollah ---

I believe the article did make a good point that Hezbollah was made up of nationalists much like the insurgency in Iraq...debunking the long time muth of the Bush Administration that it was al Qaeda that made up the insurgency...
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WHY IS EVERYTHING SUCH A SURPRISE? - CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS (WALL STREET JOURNAL, AUGUST 3): It was the extreme unwisdom of the Bush administration to have allowed if not encouraged the Olmert government to pursue a policy of wide retaliation across Lebanon. Opinion is curdling, in many instances, into a simple revulsion against the incompetence and cruelty of Israel's highly visible actions. Has Karen Hughes been heard from lately, or at all?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1154567876...in_commentaries

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SEE ALSO (regarding Hitchens)
http://www.counterpunch.org/mitchell08022006.html
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POOR POLICY IN MIDEAST HUSSEIN A. AMERY (DENVERPOST.COM, AUGUST 4): Karen Hughes, the Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, said last month that the U.S. faces "a big gulf of misunderstanding" in the Middle East. Her efforts at bridging that gulf and winning hearts and minds of Arabs has become immensely harder.
http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/...article=4132758
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AYOON WA AZAN (WHICH ONE IS STRANGEST THAN THE OTHER) - JIHAD EL-KHAZEN (AL-HAYAT, AUGUST 3): 'The Bush administration is a complete failure. Even as we are concerned with the Middle East and give it precedence, I only ask for God's mercy on Mrs. Karen P. Hughes, who was dispatched to burnish the US image among us in a well-known public diplomacy plan."
http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED...f271/story.html
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THERE'S NO ROOM FOR REPUBLICAN HYPOCRISY IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY (NJDC.ORG BLOG, AUGUST 3): According the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Hughes "compared Ramon to Hezbollah ministers in the Lebanese government who launched the initial July 12 attack on Israel 'without the permission of the government of Lebanon.'" Rather than condemning Hughes' statement equating the Israeli Minister of Justice to Hezbollah officials, Republicans said nothing.
http://njdc.typepad.com/njdcs_blog/2006/08...s_no_room_.html
(scroll down link for item)
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CONTEMPLATING WORLD WAR III - DAVID FEITH (AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE ONLINE, AUGUST 3): Simply declaring World War III will not suddenly clarify the stakes for the American people. If, though, administration officials were to consider using such language, it may serve them to make it part of a wide-ranging rethinking of public affairs and public diplomacy.
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.193...icle_detail.asp
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SHIMON PERES: THE SYRIAN THREAT DOES NOT BOTHER ME (ISRAEL TODAY, AUGUST 2): Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres arrived to the United States on a public diplomacy mission on behalf of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=8886
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ISRAEL HOPES LEAFLETS CAN SWAY LEBANESE LOYALTIES (ECCENTRIC STAR, AUGUST 2): 'I've thought that Americans in Iraq have made many overblown claims of what can be achieved with 'psy ops,' propaganda, and aggressive public diplomacy -- but as an example of self-delusion, this really takes the cake: 'Wooing Lebanese Hearts, One Leaflet at a Time,' by Ilene R. Prusher (in Jerusalem) - the Christian Science Monitor, August 2, http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0802/p11s01-wome.html)."
http://eccentricstar.typepad.com/public_di...l_hopes_le.html
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DC LOBBYING FIRM [BARBOUR GRIFFITH & ROGERS] REPRESENTS LEBANESE PARTY CALLING FOR CEASEFIRE (ECCENTRIC STAR, AUGUST 3)
http://eccentricstar.typepad.com/
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PR FIRMS PITCH 'WAR ON TERROR' PLAYERS PR WATCH (CENTER ON MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY, JULY 27): Pakistan hired the firm Quinn Gillespie & Associates, to promote the country to U.S. audiences as a "reliable and attractive member of the global economic community." Saudi Arabia paid the firm Qorvis Communications a whopping $3.6 million over six months, for work around Ambassador Prince Turki Al-Faisal's U.S. "listening tour."
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5044
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THE NEW GATEKEEPERS: IS GOVERNMENT SPIN SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL? - TIM VANDERPOOL (TUSCON WEEKLY, AUGUST 3): Charles Davis, executive director of the Freedom of Information Center, at the University of Missouri School of Journalism in Columbia: 'The rise of media relations as a branch of government has been coming on for a long time. Over the last 25 years, there is probably no arm of government that has grown more exponentially."
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents...oid=oid%3A84801
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VIDEO MADE THE TERRORIST STAR: HEZBOLLAH HAS A CHILLINGLY EFFECTIVE MEDIA STRATEGY - NOAH POLLAK (NATIONAL REVIEW, AUGUST 3)
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODg3M...mJhZTc3MTFiNGI=
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MEDIA WAR IMAGES DRAIN THE WELLS OF MORAL OUTRAGE DANIEL HENNINGER (WALL STREET JOURNAL, AUGUST 4): Whatever the purpose, a world in which people get fed streams of awful images to drive political conclusions produces a familiar effect: They eventually become inured to the images.
http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB1154...2407726667.html

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IMAGE WAR RAGES IN MIDEAST: ISRAEL, HEZBOLLAH VIE TO FRAME NARRATIVE, SHAPE PERCEPTIONS - KARBY LEGGETT (WALL STREET JOURNAL, AUGUST 3): For Arab and Israeli viewers alike, it is the first major war in which both sides' every move has received nonstop coverage. Both sides at times have adapted their military tactics to maximize their propaganda effect.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1154524767...e_whats_news_us

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END THE OCCUPATION!: PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST - SAUL LANDAU (COUNTERPUNCH, AUGUST 2): While US TV tends to elicit empathy with Israelis who have lost loved ones or homes, Arab TV portrays a heroic Hezbollah and its images bring forth sympathy for Palestinian and Lebanese victims of Israeli bombings.
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau08022006.html
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PALESTINIAN PUBLIC OPINION SURVEY - MARC LYNCH (ABU AARDVACK, AUGUST 2): 81.4% wanted the US and Europe to resume financial assistance to the Palestinian government. But only 33.9% said that their view of America and Europe (all the questions combined the two, not asking about the US specifically) would improve if they did so; 28.9% said that this would actually make their views of the US and Europe less positive ; and 36.1% said it would make no difference.
http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark...tinian_pub.html
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GAME POINT: HIZBULLAH WINS SYMPATHY: ISRAEL'S RISKY BOMBING OF SUSPECTED HIZBULLAH LAUNCHING SITES KILLED CIVILIANS AND SWAYED PUBLIC OPINION - DANIEL SCHORR (CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, AUGUST 4)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0804/p09s03-cods.html
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ISRAEL'S LOSE-LOSE PROPOSITION - JONAH GOLDBERG (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, AUGUST 3): The nigh-on global campaign is to depict Israelis as the heirs to Hitler. Of course, ad hitlerum argumentation is just the tip of the propaganda spear.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion...417,print.story
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WORLD OPINION - TONY BLANKLEY (WASHINGTON TIMES, AUGUST 2): Currently, the United States and Israel find themselves confronting a world opinion that is being shaped and manipulated by unfriendly others, and by the residue of historic malevolence. During the Cold War we spent billions and employed our smartest people to fight and win the propaganda war. Today, we are hors de combat.
http://www.washtimes.com/functions/print.p...01-093443-9584r
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HOW DO YOU SPOT AN ANTI-SEMITE? ASK ABOUT ISRAEL - BRET STEPHENS (WALL STREET JOURNAL, AUGUST 4): Data from a 2004 survey of European attitudes toward Jews and toward Israel commissioned by the Anti-Defamation League shows that no matter what the respondents' religion, nationality, sex or income level, the more intense their dislike of Israel, the likelier they were to be anti-Semitic.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1154662439...aste_primary_hs

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MOST BACK ISRAEL, SPLIT ON U.S. ROLE - PETER WALLSTEN AND HEATHER GEHLERT (LOS ANGELES TIMES, AUGUST 3): Most Americans consider Israel's bombing campaign in Lebanon justified, but they are divided about what role the United States should play in the crisis and how closely the nation should align itself with the Jewish state, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...-home-headlines
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WITH ALLIES LIKE ISRAEL, U.S. NEEDS NO ENEMIES - DAN K. THOMASSON (BOULDER DAILY CAMERA (COLORADO), AUGUST 2/COMMON DREAMS)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0802-29.htm
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WAR OF THE GENERALS: KNIFE IN THE BACK - URI AVNERY (COUNTERPUNCH, AUGUST 3): According to correspondents, President Bush is frustrated. The Israeli army has not "delivered the goods.
http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery08032006.html
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ISRAEL'S LOST MOMENT - CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER (WASHINGTON POST, AUGUST 4): The United States has gone far out on a limb to allow Israel to win and for all this to happen. It has counted on Israel's ability to do the job. It has been disappointed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0301258_pf.html
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WAR CRIMES AND LEBANON TARIQ ALI, NOAM CHOMSKY, EDUARDO GALEANO, HOWARD ZINN, KEN LOACH, JOHN BERGER, ARUNDHATI ROY (LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, GUARDIAN, AUGUST 3): The US-backed Israeli assault on Lebanon has left the country numb, smouldering and angry.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1835915,00.html
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THE LEBANON CONUNDRUM CHARLES PEÑA (ANTIWAR.COM, AUGUST 3): The conundrum for the United States is that Washington ultimately does not control and cannot dictate Tel Aviv's actions (any more than Syria or Iran completely control Hezbollah), but many in the Muslim world see Israel's actions as an extension of American policy.
http://www.antiwar.com/pena/?articleid=9457
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ISRAEL'S DEPENDENCY ON THE DRUG OF MILITARISM - ROBERT SCHEER (TRUTHDIG, AUGUST 2/COMMON DREAMS): Those who mindlessly support Israel, right or wrong, from President Bush on through the cheerleaders in Congress and the media, betray the security of the Jewish state.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0802-20.htm
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FORCED PEACE VS. JUST PEACE - MAEN AREIKAT (BOSTON GLOBE, AUGUST 2): By favoring an ``enduring" cease-fire over an immediate one, the United States is widely seen as providing Israel with cover to tear apart innocent lives and civil infrastructure in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. (Maen Areikat is the director general of the PLO's Negotiations Affairs Department.)
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial...t_peace?mode=PF
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A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH IAN WILLIAMS (ASIA TIMES, AUGUST 4): Insofar as there is a solution, the UN is at the core of it, and for that to succeed the US must be behind the solution, rather than behind Israel. That is a lot to ask of any US administration with mid-term elections in the offing, and even more so of one that seems to have shared the delusions that have led Olmert to disaster.
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HH04Ak03.html
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DISASTER IN THE MIDDLE EAST - DAVID HOWELL (JAPAN TIMES, AUGUST 4): The American decision, while of course mouthing sympathy for all those, both Lebanese and Israeli, who have been murdered, to give open support to Israel, to approve its over-the-top strategy of virtual Lebanese annihilation, and to ship fresh weapons to Israel so that it can carry on bombing, is surely the final crashing misjudgment of Bush's foreign policy.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20060804dh.html
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RIGHTS GROUP ACCUSES ISRAEL OF WAR CRIMES JIM LOBE (ANTIWAR.COM, AUGUST 3): The report, released by Human Rights Watch Wednesday, called for the United States to immediately suspend transfers to Israel of arms, ammunition, and other material credibly alleged to have been used in such attacks until they cease.
http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=9469
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US GIVING AID - AND BOMBS - THALIF DEEN (ASIA TIMES, AUGUST 4): Washington has decided to accelerate the supply of lethal weapons to Israel -- "perhaps intended to kill the very Lebanese the United States is planning to feed and shelter," said one Arab diplomat at the United Nations.
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HH04Ak01.html
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STRATEGY FROM A 'REALIST' - ARNAUD DE BORCHGRAVE (WASHINGTON TIMES, AUGUST 3): Recent events demonstrated the U.S., try as it always does, cannot be evenhanded between Arabs and Jews. The peace plan of ?realist? Gen. Brent Scowcroft seemed a tad premature.
http://www.washtimes.com/functions/print.p...02-085915-4963r
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ISRAEL ADVANCES, STOCK MARKETS RALLY: THE REAL WORLD, REAL MONEY VOTES OF THE GLOBAL INVESTOR CLASS SHOULD BE NOTED AND DIGESTED - LARRY KUDLOW (NATIONAL REVIEW, AUGUST 1): If freedom, democracy, individual liberty, and economic liberalization are all vital cornerstones of the successful City on the Hill experiment that is the United States, campaigns such as Israel's only mark an expansion of this freedom.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBjY...DQ2MGY2OTI2YjU=
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ON ISRAEL -- LAYING OUT THE QANA CALCULATION: DISARMING HEZBOLLAH PREVENTS MORE CRISES - DAVID SCHENKER (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, AUGUST 3): Caught between its support for Israeli goals vis-a-vis Hezbollah, and its sympathy for Lebanon and desire to consolidate the goals of the Cedar Revolution, the Bush administration may now see the wisdom of an expedited cease-fire.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion...ncommentary-hed
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JOINT EFFORT IS NECESSARY TO BROKER A CEASE-FIRE: THE UN SHOULD LEAD THE WAY TO ISRAEL-LEBANON PEACE, BUT IT NEEDS US SUPPORT - PAT HOLT (CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, AUGUST 3)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0803/p09s02-coop.html
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AID & DEVELOPMENT: IRAQ DONATES $35 MILLION TO LEBANON REPORT, IRIN (ELECTRONICIRAQ.NET, JULY 26)
http://electroniciraq.net/news/printer2441.shtml
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SYRIA WANTS TO TALK, BUT BUSH WON'T ANSWER THE PHONE: DAMASCUS HAS EFFECTIVELY COOPERATED WITH WASHINGTON ON TERRORISM, SAYS SYRIA'S AMBASSADOR - IMAD MOUSTAPHA (LOS ANGELES TIMES, AUGUST 4): (Imad Moustapha is the Syrian ambassador to the United States.)
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-...inion-rightrail
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ISLAMIST BANDWAGONS - MARC LYNCH (ABU AARDVACK, AUGUST 3): The Sunni-Shia dimension is a red herring, primarily propagated by the pro-American regimes which desperately wanted to prevent the emergence of mass popular support for Lebanon and for Hezbollah.
http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark...t_bandwa_1.html


DOUBLING TWO BAD BETS? - DAVID S. BRODER (WASHINGTON POST, AUGUST 3): Can we think about the costs of carrying on, without an end in sight, against Hezbollah and the insurgents in Iraq?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0201388_pf.html


MONUMENTAL HOPE AND GRINDING DESPAIR - JON B. ALTERMAN (WASHINGTON POST, AUGUST 3): The Middle East is now perched on the edge of chaos. Meanwhile, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice solemnly proclaims "The birth pangs of a new Middle East."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0200720_pf.html
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ARMAGEDDON AGAIN - CAL THOMAS (WASHINGTON TIMES, AUGUST 2): Jesus of Nazareth's said his forecasts of "wars and rumors of wars," nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom, famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:4-8) would just be the beginning, or "birth pains." Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice used almost the same words speaking of the wars in Lebanon and Iraq as the "birth pangs" of a new Middle East.
http://www.washtimes.com/functions/print.p...01-093446-8861r


ISRAEL'S DEPENDENCY ON THE DRUG OF MILITARISM - ROBERT SCHEER (NATION, AUGUST 2): The Bush administration bizarrely believes it can re-create the Middle East in a more U.S.-friendly form. The president has framed this process with a simplistic good-versus-evil template, which has the Christian West and Jewish Israel on an unnecessary collision course with the Muslim world.
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=...rael_militarism


MIDEAST'S CREED OF VICTIMIZATION - VICTOR DAVIS HANSON (BALTIMORE SUN, AUGUST 4): "They did it to us" offers an easy explanation of why Islamic states are now weak and offer little hope to millions of their poor, who, ironically, emigrate to the much-pilloried West by the millions. American cash aid, Israeli concessions, windfall petrol profits and, most of all, appeasement of radical Islamists can do nothing to alleviate these perceived grievances.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/o...-oped-headlines
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WHAT IT'S ALL about: WAR PROFITEERING AROUND THE IMPERIUM - CHRISTOPHER DELISO (ANTIWAR.COM, AUGUST 3): America is now using the specter of Israeli might to scare the hell out of its neighbors. Racketeering on an epic scale, disguised by the occasional recourse to diplomacy, is the ugly reality behind America's Middle East policy.
http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=9466
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ISLAMOFASCISM'S 1936 - KENNETH R. TIMMERMAN (WASHINGTON TIMES, AUGUST 2): Some have suggested the latest round of fighting between Israel and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah organization in Lebanon is the beginning of World War III. But a better analogy may be the 1936 Spanish Civil War.
http://www.washtimes.com/functions/print.p...01-093446-6334r
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WHY THEY FIGHT: MARY HABECK'S "KNOWING THE ENEMY" PROVIDES A WINDOW INTO THE JIHADIST WORLDVIEW - DAVEED GARTENSTEIN-ROSS (WEEKLY STANDARD, AUGUST 3)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...12/497pyzsa.asp
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ARE FAILED STATES A THREAT TO AMERICA?: THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S NATION-BUILDING EFFORTS ARE A BIG MISTAKE JUSTIN LOGAN AND CHRISTOPHER PREBLE (REASON)
http://www.reason.com/0607/fe.jl.are.shtml


IS US THE WORLD'S POLICEMAN OR AN EMPIRE? - TED RALL (COMMON DREAMS, AUGUST 2): A true human rights-based foreign policy would require "regime change" warfare against the biggest evildoers in the world, including those willing to do business with us.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0802-24.htm


IS THERE A ROLE FOR REALITY IN US FOREIGN POLICY? - MICHAEL SCHEUER (ANTIWAR.COM, AUGUST 3): The failure of America's elites to see that no genuine U.S. national interests are at stake in the Arab-Israeli conflict and that our model of democracy has little or no relevance in the Islamic world except -- as the Founders foresaw -- as a symbol, has put Americans in harm's way at home and abroad. Indeed, their reality-free foreign policy has made America a target for the hatred of increasing numbers of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims.
http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=9465


'NEW AMERICAN CENTURY' LIVES ON - TOM BARRY (TOMPAINE.COM, AUGUST 3): The Project for the New American Century -- a largely neoconservative coalition that included social conservatives, militarists and Zionists -- has shut down, boasting, ?Goal accomplished.? The limits of U.S. power and the follies of the Bush administration?s arrogance cut short PNAC?s glory days. Although forced into retreat, the Israel-focused neoconservative camp remains strong.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/08/0...ry_lives_on.php
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Arab News Editorial:
Heed the Warnings
4 August 2006

The US and the West have good friends in the Middle East - but for how
much longer? Two weeks ago Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul
warned that even moderate Turks, angry at US support for Israel's
actions in Lebanon, were becoming anti-American.

Yesterday, at the emergency Organization of Islamic Conference meeting
in Malaysia on the Lebanese crisis, the warnings were far more urgent.
Muslim anger over international "double standard" on the Israeli
offensive, OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu said, is being
transformed into permanent hatred against the aggressors and their
"implicit and explicit protectors" (for which read the US).

Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi sees growing contempt for the
UN, which he condemned as cowardly over its failure to condemn Israel
for the attack on Qana. Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz warned
that the failure to halt the violence was adding to popular anger and
could have "incalculable consequences" for peace in the Middle East.
Lebanon may be the anvil on which a friendship, already perilously
fragile because of Iraq, may be smashed beyond repair.

These are seasoned politicians talking - men who have spent their
lives believing in the importance of good relations between their
countries and the West. Theirs is an 11th hour plea to Washington to
see what is happening not only in their own countries but throughout
the Muslim world - a surging tide of bitterness and alienation against
US Middle East policies brought to full flood by Washington's refusal
to rein in the Israelis in Lebanon. Turkey, Malaysia, Pakistan - these
have been loyal friends to the US and the West. Washington cannot
afford to lose them. But it is in danger of doing just that. The
message is clear: If the US continues its policy of slavish support
for Israel it will reap a harvest of hatred that will last for
generations. It is not simply because of Lebanon but Lebanon may be
the straw that breaks the camel's back.

But is Washington listening? Is it totally blind to the mountain of
Muslim frustration and alienation at its policies - a frustration
which two days ago even brought criticism from Saudi Foreign Minister
Prince Saud Al-Faisal? His condemnation of its refusal to put a stop
to Israel's brutal assault in Lebanon should have set alarm bells
ringing in Washington: Saudi Arabian friendship cannot be strained
forever. Or is the US so totally obsessed with its Frankenstein
fantasy of recreating the Middle East in its own image that it has
closed its ears to all other views.

The Middle East is not Washington's plaything, to be remade as it
decides. As Prince Saud said, it is not an uninhabited area; "it has
people, governments and our destiny is determined, after God's will,
by its people." This US arrogance only further undermines friendship.
It is difficult to remain friends with someone who does not listen to
what you have to say, who is patronizing and arrogant, who wants to
change you, who thinks he has the unquestioned right to do so and who
resents you for having a mind of your own.

Unless Washington stops being so patronizing of the Middle East and so
obsessively supportive of Israeli brutality, it will lose every last
shred of credibility and respect among Muslims and Arabs the world
over. Muslim leaders have made that clear. The warnings have gone out.
Washington ignores them at its peril.
Istoodforu
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 4 2006, 10:02 AM)
Istoodforu:

I guess we have two different readings of the article...

My reading is that an Israeli occupation would not be successful...since in the past such an occupation in response to attacks by Al Fatah gave rise to the creation of Hezbollah.

But an internaitonal force might work --- though indeed the US forces in 1983 were not successful...though I think this is largely because they were peacekeepers instead of peacemakers...

I think the important distinction that has to be made is that it not be a peacekeeping force, but rather a peacemaking force.

In order to have peacekeepers --- you need to have peace established...

Peace could be established as you mentioned by having Hezbollah prisoners released in return for Hezbollah agreeing to disarm...Peacemakers could take possession of and hold on to the prisoners until they were satisfied that Hezbollah had disarmed.

The peacemakers could then also help to disarm Hezbollah --- and Israel and Syria worked out a plan to stop the resupply of Hezbollah ---

I believe the article did make a good point that Hezbollah was made up of nationalists much like the insurgency in Iraq...debunking the long time muth of the Bush Administration that it was al Qaeda that made up the insurgency...
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In case I miscommunicated in an earlier post, let me clarify. I entirely agree that "an Israeli occupation would not be successful." From what I've heard from Israelis, they also seem to agree. They've been there and done that and they were not successful.

Nonetheless, the distinction between "peacemakers" and "occupiers" can easily be meaningless for Lebonese civilians. If "Peacemakers" are busy setting up checkpoints on thoroughfares that haven't yet been bombed out and knocking down doors looking for Katusha rockets, they are likely to become targets of terrorism.

Let's try to put ourselves in the shoes of Lebanese civilians. What would it be like to be stalled for hours in traffic every day trying to get to work? When the commuter finally gets to the check point, someone with an assault rifle makes demands in a language you don't understand. There's a risk that he or she might fire upon you if you do not comply rapidly enough. I doubt if any of us would feel particularly hospitable toward house guests who arrive unannounced, knock down the door, and point assault rifles at us.

It does make sense to me that an international force could take brief custody of released prisoners and officiate an inspections regime to disarm AFTER a cease fire and negotiations reaching agreement on these arrangements.

Establishing peace BEFORE negotiation via "peacemaking"/military operations can become like Falluja. Such might work in Bosnia where Bosnian civilians don't care much for the Serbian paramilitary, but these are not the circumstances in Lebanon with Hezbollah.
tazvil04
Istoodforu:

All good points.

I agree peacemakers could become occupiers. I guess the important thing perhaps is to not make the mistake we have made in Iraq...with the length of the stay...

I think Lebanese if they know the occupation will be short...and if it has defined goals -- which once met will precipitate the end of the peacemaking force --- and those goals are manageable --- it could work...

However, as you have suggested before --- it is impossible to destroy Hezbollah in Lebanon and that should not even be attempted.

What we need is a carrot to get them to disarm...and I think the prisoner exchange mentioned offers some hope...

The real problem is a lack of confidence in the Bush Administration to have the ability to understand and sketch out what we have just discussed...
DWB04
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 4 2006, 07:09 AM)
DWB04

I actually believe US troops being there and NATO troops being there are a better solution than Israeli troops being there...the problem as the article above suggests is that they have to do more than keep the peace --- they have to be able to make the peace --- and that means hunting down Hezbollah missile stores and Hezbollah - but as Istoodforu has indicated --- Hezbollah is so hard to indentify and its movement has grown so big in Lebanon --- that it is difficult to imagine any success coming with an internaitonal force.

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Sorry Taz, but I disagree.....I don't think either of those forces (Israeli/US) or Nato should be there. Surely there could be a better, more neutral representation in the region for efforts at stemming the violence and a call for ceasefire.
tazvil04
Religions share the blame for Mideast strife
Monday, July 31, 2006
NJ Star Ledger
JOhn Farmer

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/farmer/in...6020.xml&coll=1

In the search for root causes of the Middle East's misery one shouldn't overlook the role of religious fundamentalism -- Christian, Jewish and Muslim.

It's not a popular line of inquiry. Anyone who points the finger of blame at organized religion is sure to catch hell from its more overwrought adherents. Thus, pundits who regularly call on political leaders and policy makers to look more deeply into the reasons for unrest in the Middle East -- its roots -- never finger the great religions or their leaders as part of the problem and a necessary part of any solution, if one is possible.

But they are. For no lasting peace is possible in the Middle East until the great religions clustered there put historic hatreds behind them.

Religious hatred in the Middle East functions as an exercise in ancient and unforgiving memories. Thus, Islamists like al Qaeda invoke the history of the Christian Crusades to inflame modern Muslims against the West. Muslims of old had a legitimate beef with the Christian invaders, who were the fundamentalists of their day. But that was a thousand years ago. Time to get over it.

Within Islam itself, a lethal fundamentalist animosity divides Sunnis and Shi'a, who separated centuries ago over the issue of who was the legitimate heir of the Prophet Mohammed. Its modern manifestation is the savage sectarian slayings in the streets of Baghdad -- all in the name of God and at the urging of some of their own clergy.

The violence between Jews and Muslims may have begun in ancient ethnic animosities and competition for land. But in its modern form it is deeply religious as well. Since both claim descent from Abraham, it's a kind of a biblical family falling out, always the worst kind.

The Israel that came into being in 1948 was the product of secular, socialist Zionists rather than ultra-religious Jews. But the spread of Israel into the West Bank, the particular flash point for Palestinian Muslims today, was driven principally by ultra-orthodox Jews determined to recreate the Israel of biblical times. Jewish religious leadership is diverse; Judaism has many expressions (Conservative, Orthodox and Reform). Not all of Israel's clerics favored such expansion into the West Bank, the biblical Judea and Samaria. But some rabbis were among the most fervent leaders of the settlement movement there and remain among the fiercest opponents of surrendering the land. They're Israel's fundamentalists.

Religious fundamentalism is by no means confined to the murderous Middle East. We've got our own brand in this country in the more extreme elements of the Christian Coalition, with their intolerance of any moral creed but their own. They are, in a sense, our very own Taliban.

Through the centuries, fundamentalism or authoritarianism has always been the great temptation of most organized religions, East or West, Christian, Muslim or Jewish. It should be no surprise. They all are, or claim to be, the voice of God in this life. They're doing His work. And it's a small step from that claim to the belief that those who disagree -- the non-believers or "infidels" -- are deserving of disrespect. Or even death.

What makes religious fundamentalism especially dangerous today is its merger with politics. In this country, religious fundamentalism has become a prop for a president who believes he has a moral mission to spread Democracy to the Middle East, by the sword if necessary. In the Middle East, it has become a moral rationale for the mistreatment, even murder, of those of a different faith.

How is the Middle East's misery to end? Probably not by military means. Even the Bush administration understands that its vainglorious belief that an under-manned military force could bring order to Iraq has failed. Some kind of political or diplomatic solution is needed. Likewise, it seems now that Israel cannot destroy Hezbollah without risking its soldiers in an all-out ground war, which it's unwilling to do.

Any solution probably will have to come by diplomatic means, which are likely to leave Hezbollah still alive and kicking and religious friction still a fierce force.

Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to the first President Bush, suggests it's a job for the Quartet (the United States, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations). Trouble is, Europe and the U.N. are viewed, deservedly, as anti-Israel, while the United States is Israel's guardian angel and Russia is busy killing Muslim insurgents in Chechnya. No one in the Quartet brings any moral weight to peace talks.

In the end, only the leaders of the great religions of the Middle East -- Christianity, Islam, Judaism -- can bring any moral authority to bear on the outcome. Their silence is deafening. And a mystery, too. For it is, after all, their Holy Land.



John Farmer is The Star-Ledger's national political correspondent.
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