Kill the press, kill the observers, bomb the ambulances...
Israel learning from the US???
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029827/
Israeli strike destroys U.N. post, kills 2
2 more peacekeepers lost, feared dead; Annan condemns ‘deliberate’ action
Updated: 34 minutes ago
NABATIYEH, Lebanon - An Israeli bomb destroyed a U.N. observer post on the border in southern Lebanon, killing two peacekeepers and leaving two others feared dead in what appeared to be a deliberate strike, U.N. chief Kofi Annan said.
The bomb made a direct hit on the building and shelter of the observer post in the town of Khiyam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.
Annan issued a statement saying two U.N. military observers were killed with two more feared dead. Earlier, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said the Security Council was informed that four officers were killed, but he had no other information.
Rescue workers were trying to clear the rubble, but Israeli firing "continued even during the rescue operation," Struger said.
As reports of the attack emerged, Annan rushed out of a hotel in Rome following a dinner with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora.
"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defense Forces of a U.N. observer post in southern Lebanon," Annan said in the statement.
Annan said in his statement that the post had been there for a long time and was marked clearly, and was hit despite assurances from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would not be attacked.
"I call on the goverment of Israel to conduct a full investigation into this very disturbing incident and demand that any further attack on U.N. positions and personnel must stop," Annan said in the statement.
U.N. officials said four observers were in the post when the bomb hit, and the building had been destroyed. Two bodies had been recovered and two were unaccounted for, apparently still in the rubble. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Since Israel launched a massive military offensive against Lebanon and Hezbollah guerrillas July 12, an international civilian employee working with UNIFIL and his wife have been killed in the crossfire between Israeli forces and Hezbollah guerrillas in the southern port city of Tyre.
Five UNIFIL soldiers and one military observer have also been wounded, Struger said.
Full Version: UN Observer post hit in Lebanon by Israel
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Darn --the scalpel slipped again, (the risks of surgical targeting you know).
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Deadly Israel raid on UN post overshadows Lebanon crisis meet
by Nayla Razzouk
1 hour, 2 minutes ago
BEIRUT (AFP) - An Israeli air raid on south Lebanon killed as many as four UN observers, overshadowing an international crisis meeting due to open in Rome, as Hezbollah vowed to fire rockets further into the heart of Israel.
The deaths, which UN chief Kofi Annan said were the result of Israel's "apparently deliberate targeting" of a UN post, also drew a strong protest from France, whose officers currently command the nearly 30-year-old UN force.
"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a UN observer post in southern Lebanon that has killed two UN military observers, with two more feared dead," Annan said in a statement released in Rome.
French ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, president of the UN Security Council for July, said: "We condemn this bombing on a UNIFIL position."
The attack on the UN post in the hilltop town of Khiam, once the site of an infamous Israeli jail but now a Hezbollah stronghold, came amid an intensive bombardment of the border area as Israeli troops advanced further into Lebanon.
Fierce fighting was reported as Israeli troops took the town of Bint Jbeil, another bastion of the Shiite militant group.
Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah vowed to hit back with rocket attacks into the heart of Israel as he made a new television appearance early Wednesday following repeated unsuccessful attempts by Israel to kill him in bombing raids.
"We are entering a new phase in the confrontation, the phase of (striking) beyond Haifa," Nasrallah told his group's Al-Manar television.
Israel has repeatedly said it believes Hezbollah has longer-range rockets capable of reaching beyond Israel's third city, as far as the commercial capital Tel Aviv, or even the southern city of Beersheva.
Warplanes also bombed the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital, as Israel effectively ruled out any chance of a rapid ceasefire to end the two-week-old Lebanon conflict.
That bombardment ended a 24-hour lull that coincided with a lightning visit to the region by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
With no end in sight to warfare that has already claimed nearly 400 lives in Lebanon alone, Defence Minister Amir Peretz warned Israel could establish its own security zone in southern Lebanon if multinational troops were not deployed.
"Israel is determined to carry on the fight against Hezbollah," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said at a press conference with Rice. "We are not fighting the Lebanese government or the Lebanese people. We are fighting against Hezbollah."
Rice, who later left the region for the Rome crisis talks, said it was "time for a new Middle East" and underlined the US stance that an immediate ceasefire would only put off a long-term settlement.
"A durable solution will be one that strengthens the forces of peace and democracy in the region," she said.
On a surprise visit to Lebanon Monday, Rice said she was "deeply concerned" about the plight of civilians, who have been forced to flee their homes in their hundreds of thousands and make up the bulk of the dead.
The United States, Israel's top ally which has come under fire for failing to act quickly to end the offensive, delivered a first shipment of aid under a 30-million-dollar package.
US President George W. Bush said he saw no contradiction in sending assistance in the face of Israeli strikes while at the same time speeding arms deliveries to Israel.
Rice also met Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, who demanded a ceasefire to end Israel's similarly aggressive offensive on the Gaza Strip, where 116 people have been killed in an operation to free a captured soldier and halt rocket attacks.
On her trip to Beirut, Rice reportedly outlined plans for a ceasefire that would involve creating an internationally patrolled buffer zone in southern Lebanon for 60 to 90 days and a Hezbollah withdrawal from the border area.
Washington is under pressure from European and Arab allies to try to bring an end to the crisis amid charges it is dragging its feet to allow Israel time to attempt to wipe out the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah, which set off the conflict after seizing two soldiers on July 12.
Israel is struggling to knock out Hezbollah despite its vastly superior military might.
A 15-year-old Arab Israeli girl was killed after a rocket hit her house in a village in northern Israel as more than a dozen rockets fired by Hezbollah from Lebanon pummelled the northern port of Haifa, wounding at least five people.
Two soldiers were also killed in fighting Monday, bringing to 42 the toll of Israelis killed -- 24 servicemen and 18 civilians.
Lebanese security sources said the four peacekeepers feared dead in the Israeli strike were an Austrian, a Canadian, a Chinese national and a Finn.
US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said permanent members of the Security Council had been briefed on the deaths. "It is something we take seriously. We are going to focus on this incident, see what we can find out about it," he said.
A spokesman for the UN Interim Forces in Lebanon said the Israeli bombardment had continued during efforts to rescue those inside from under the rubble of their post.
"There were 14 other Israeli firings close to this position by the Israeli side and the firing continued during the UNIFIL rescue," spokesman Milos Strugar said.
Ironically the international community has been discussing plans to beef up the nearly 30-year-old peacekeeping force, which currrently has 1,990 troops assisted by some 50 military observers, to address Israeli concerns about the continued presence of Hezbollah in the border region.
Israel has massed troops on the border and warned residents of southern Lebanon to flee but says it has no plans for an all-out invasion -- for now.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Washington's closest ally, called the conflict a "catastrophe" that was damaging fledgling democracy in Lebanon, a country that had gradually been rebuilding since the 1975-90 civil war.
He said he hoped a plan would be announced in the next few days to bring about an end to the worst cross-border conflict since Israel advanced on Beirut in 1982.
The offensive has left Lebanon virtually cut off from the world, made hundreds of thousands of people refugees in their own country and destroyed billions of dollars of infrastructure.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora, who has issued several desperate appeals for a ceasefire, accused Israel of trying to set his country back 50 years in his meeting with Rice.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060725/wl_af...ct_060725230920
by Nayla Razzouk
1 hour, 2 minutes ago
BEIRUT (AFP) - An Israeli air raid on south Lebanon killed as many as four UN observers, overshadowing an international crisis meeting due to open in Rome, as Hezbollah vowed to fire rockets further into the heart of Israel.
The deaths, which UN chief Kofi Annan said were the result of Israel's "apparently deliberate targeting" of a UN post, also drew a strong protest from France, whose officers currently command the nearly 30-year-old UN force.
"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a UN observer post in southern Lebanon that has killed two UN military observers, with two more feared dead," Annan said in a statement released in Rome.
French ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, president of the UN Security Council for July, said: "We condemn this bombing on a UNIFIL position."
The attack on the UN post in the hilltop town of Khiam, once the site of an infamous Israeli jail but now a Hezbollah stronghold, came amid an intensive bombardment of the border area as Israeli troops advanced further into Lebanon.
Fierce fighting was reported as Israeli troops took the town of Bint Jbeil, another bastion of the Shiite militant group.
Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah vowed to hit back with rocket attacks into the heart of Israel as he made a new television appearance early Wednesday following repeated unsuccessful attempts by Israel to kill him in bombing raids.
"We are entering a new phase in the confrontation, the phase of (striking) beyond Haifa," Nasrallah told his group's Al-Manar television.
Israel has repeatedly said it believes Hezbollah has longer-range rockets capable of reaching beyond Israel's third city, as far as the commercial capital Tel Aviv, or even the southern city of Beersheva.
Warplanes also bombed the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital, as Israel effectively ruled out any chance of a rapid ceasefire to end the two-week-old Lebanon conflict.
That bombardment ended a 24-hour lull that coincided with a lightning visit to the region by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
With no end in sight to warfare that has already claimed nearly 400 lives in Lebanon alone, Defence Minister Amir Peretz warned Israel could establish its own security zone in southern Lebanon if multinational troops were not deployed.
"Israel is determined to carry on the fight against Hezbollah," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said at a press conference with Rice. "We are not fighting the Lebanese government or the Lebanese people. We are fighting against Hezbollah."
Rice, who later left the region for the Rome crisis talks, said it was "time for a new Middle East" and underlined the US stance that an immediate ceasefire would only put off a long-term settlement.
"A durable solution will be one that strengthens the forces of peace and democracy in the region," she said.
On a surprise visit to Lebanon Monday, Rice said she was "deeply concerned" about the plight of civilians, who have been forced to flee their homes in their hundreds of thousands and make up the bulk of the dead.
The United States, Israel's top ally which has come under fire for failing to act quickly to end the offensive, delivered a first shipment of aid under a 30-million-dollar package.
US President George W. Bush said he saw no contradiction in sending assistance in the face of Israeli strikes while at the same time speeding arms deliveries to Israel.
Rice also met Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, who demanded a ceasefire to end Israel's similarly aggressive offensive on the Gaza Strip, where 116 people have been killed in an operation to free a captured soldier and halt rocket attacks.
On her trip to Beirut, Rice reportedly outlined plans for a ceasefire that would involve creating an internationally patrolled buffer zone in southern Lebanon for 60 to 90 days and a Hezbollah withdrawal from the border area.
Washington is under pressure from European and Arab allies to try to bring an end to the crisis amid charges it is dragging its feet to allow Israel time to attempt to wipe out the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah, which set off the conflict after seizing two soldiers on July 12.
Israel is struggling to knock out Hezbollah despite its vastly superior military might.
A 15-year-old Arab Israeli girl was killed after a rocket hit her house in a village in northern Israel as more than a dozen rockets fired by Hezbollah from Lebanon pummelled the northern port of Haifa, wounding at least five people.
Two soldiers were also killed in fighting Monday, bringing to 42 the toll of Israelis killed -- 24 servicemen and 18 civilians.
Lebanese security sources said the four peacekeepers feared dead in the Israeli strike were an Austrian, a Canadian, a Chinese national and a Finn.
US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said permanent members of the Security Council had been briefed on the deaths. "It is something we take seriously. We are going to focus on this incident, see what we can find out about it," he said.
A spokesman for the UN Interim Forces in Lebanon said the Israeli bombardment had continued during efforts to rescue those inside from under the rubble of their post.
"There were 14 other Israeli firings close to this position by the Israeli side and the firing continued during the UNIFIL rescue," spokesman Milos Strugar said.
Ironically the international community has been discussing plans to beef up the nearly 30-year-old peacekeeping force, which currrently has 1,990 troops assisted by some 50 military observers, to address Israeli concerns about the continued presence of Hezbollah in the border region.
Israel has massed troops on the border and warned residents of southern Lebanon to flee but says it has no plans for an all-out invasion -- for now.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Washington's closest ally, called the conflict a "catastrophe" that was damaging fledgling democracy in Lebanon, a country that had gradually been rebuilding since the 1975-90 civil war.
He said he hoped a plan would be announced in the next few days to bring about an end to the worst cross-border conflict since Israel advanced on Beirut in 1982.
The offensive has left Lebanon virtually cut off from the world, made hundreds of thousands of people refugees in their own country and destroyed billions of dollars of infrastructure.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora, who has issued several desperate appeals for a ceasefire, accused Israel of trying to set his country back 50 years in his meeting with Rice.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060725/wl_af...ct_060725230920
Spin, spin, spin .... 
CNN:
U.N.: Israeli airstrike hits U.N. observer post
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 Posted: 0024 GMT (0824 HKT)
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- An Israeli airstrike hit a United Nations post in southern Lebanon late Tuesday, killing at least two of the agency's observers, according to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
The U.N. initially reported that four peacekeepers were dead, but later said there were two dead and two missing.
Lebanese security sources said the two missing observers are feared buried in the rubble of the building.
Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, said that "UNIFIL obviously got caught in the middle" of a gunfight between Hezbollah guerillas and Israeli troops.
...
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply distressed" by the "apparently deliberate" strike.
Ayalon called Annan's statement "outrageous," while Israel's U.N. ambassador, Dan Gillerman, said he, too, was "deeply distressed" that Annan alleged that the strike was deliberate.
...
For Israeli ambassadors, it appears there is more to be outraged about in Annan's two words than the murder of 4 UN peacekeeping troops, bombed in their highly signalled and long notified, static observation post.
CNN:
U.N.: Israeli airstrike hits U.N. observer post
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 Posted: 0024 GMT (0824 HKT)
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- An Israeli airstrike hit a United Nations post in southern Lebanon late Tuesday, killing at least two of the agency's observers, according to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
The U.N. initially reported that four peacekeepers were dead, but later said there were two dead and two missing.
Lebanese security sources said the two missing observers are feared buried in the rubble of the building.
Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, said that "UNIFIL obviously got caught in the middle" of a gunfight between Hezbollah guerillas and Israeli troops.
...
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply distressed" by the "apparently deliberate" strike.
Ayalon called Annan's statement "outrageous," while Israel's U.N. ambassador, Dan Gillerman, said he, too, was "deeply distressed" that Annan alleged that the strike was deliberate.
...
For Israeli ambassadors, it appears there is more to be outraged about in Annan's two words than the murder of 4 UN peacekeeping troops, bombed in their highly signalled and long notified, static observation post.
This is looking worse and worse by the day.
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 25 2006, 07:21 PM)
This is looking worse and worse by the day.
I know. When the UN head makes wild accusations he is beginning to look unhinged. I wonder if it from the effects of the Rawanda slaughter he bears blame on?
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Jul 25 2006, 06:29 PM)
I know. When the UN head makes wild accusations he is beginning to look unhinged. I wonder if it from the effects of the Rawanda slaughter he bears blame on?
Clever juxtaposition 70's. But this is not looking good for Israel. I have no idea who is correct here. But according to the report above, the U.N. observer site was a long known position and clearly marked.
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 25 2006, 07:36 PM)
Clever juxtaposition 70's. But this is not looking good for Israel. I have no idea who is correct here. But according to the report above, the U.N. observer site was a long known position and clearly marked.
We hit a milk factory once. Sheet happens. the fog of war. That is why it is silly of these guys to play with fire. I understad they grew up with it, but they underestimate Israel at their own peril. Israel will survive anything. It may not look the same, but it is going nowhere. Of this I am sure. The destruction of Israel would be the beginning of the end.
Israeli bombs kill UN observers
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/07/...3816214927.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/07/...3816214927.html
QUOTE
The bomb made a direct hit on the building and shelter of the observer post in the town of Khiam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.
Rescue workers were trying to clear the rubble, but Israeli firing 'continued even during the rescue operation,'' Struger said.
There had been 14 incidents of firing close to the outpost from Israeli forces in the afternoon before it was hit, UN officials said, adding that the firing continued even as rescue operations were under way.
'Coordinated attack'
"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked UN post at Khiam occurred despite [B]personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that UN positions would be spared Israeli fire,'' Annan said in a statement.[/B]
In Jerusalem, an Israeli army spokeswoman said the military was investigating the report.
The UN force commander in southern Lebanon, General Alain Pelligrini had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day, stressing the need to protect that particular UN position from attack, he said.
Rescue workers were trying to clear the rubble, but Israeli firing 'continued even during the rescue operation,'' Struger said.
There had been 14 incidents of firing close to the outpost from Israeli forces in the afternoon before it was hit, UN officials said, adding that the firing continued even as rescue operations were under way.
'Coordinated attack'
"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked UN post at Khiam occurred despite [B]personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that UN positions would be spared Israeli fire,'' Annan said in a statement.[/B]
In Jerusalem, an Israeli army spokeswoman said the military was investigating the report.
The UN force commander in southern Lebanon, General Alain Pelligrini had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day, stressing the need to protect that particular UN position from attack, he said.
Mid-1999: In his memoir, 'UNvanquished', Boutros-Ghali writes that Annan never told him about the 'Dallaire fax', and that he first learned about it in 1996
The United Nations has accepted the findings of a damning report which accused it of failing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda.
The United Nations has accepted the findings of a damning report which accused it of failing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda.
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Jul 25 2006, 09:21 PM)
This is looking worse and worse by the day.
Yes, it is. I'm having trouble finding words to express how disgusted and appalled I am with Israel's actions.
Please forgive my stupidity...
but what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?
Surely not keeping any peace.
They'd better take off for a couple of weeks
and see if they are asked back.
Now, please continue the debate...
I'm still looking for my opinion on this one.
but what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?
Surely not keeping any peace.
They'd better take off for a couple of weeks
and see if they are asked back.
Now, please continue the debate...
I'm still looking for my opinion on this one.
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jul 25 2006, 08:20 PM)
Please forgive my stupidity...
but what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?
Surely not keeping any peace.
They'd better take off for a couple of weeks
and see if they are asked back.
Now, please continue the debate...
I'm still looking for my opinion on this one.
but what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?
Surely not keeping any peace.
They'd better take off for a couple of weeks
and see if they are asked back.
Now, please continue the debate...
I'm still looking for my opinion on this one.
Well I'm not. I'm having no trouble finding words to express how disgusted and appalled I am with the international hypocrisy inregards the bombing of Israel.
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jul 25 2006, 09:20 PM)
Please forgive my stupidity...
but what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?
Surely not keeping any peace.
They'd better take off for a couple of weeks
and see if they are asked back.
Now, please continue the debate...
I'm still looking for my opinion on this one.
but what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?
Surely not keeping any peace.
They'd better take off for a couple of weeks
and see if they are asked back.
Now, please continue the debate...
I'm still looking for my opinion on this one.
Let me see, Israel wants to have an international peacekeeping force there, and so a vital part of that would be to have the UN have people there prior to the forces being deployed. So the short answer to your question "what the f*ck was a peacekeeping
force doing in the middle of this?" is that Israel asked for it. And the also promised not to attack them. And the UN General in charge said he was "repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day," on this site in particular.
It never ceases to amaze me that people can not see that Israel could do such a thing. The Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty, Pollard and the upcoming spy trial should have been clues enough.
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QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jul 25 2006, 10:37 PM)
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Yep, exactly.
Well let me ask you this ALL ... If you see children targeted with a standing order to destroy 10 buildings for every Hizbulla Missle Fired, what would YOU DO.
Replace the Israli Doctors with Doctors Making Millions in the USA.
KILL 'EM !!!
If Israel has no conscience, why should Hizbullah ... Right is Right ...
WRONG is WRONG !!!
Peace is Peace ... War is HELL .. GET IT !!!
Replace the Israli Doctors with Doctors Making Millions in the USA.
KILL 'EM !!!
If Israel has no conscience, why should Hizbullah ... Right is Right ...
WRONG is WRONG !!!
Peace is Peace ... War is HELL .. GET IT !!!
It never ceases to amaze me that people can not see that Palestinian and Arab hatred could do such things as...
June 5, 1968: Presidential candidate Robert "Bobby" Kennedy was assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, a Jordanian Arab-Palestinian. RFK was shot at point-blank range from behind by three shots from Sirhan's .22 caliber pistol ... two shots entered his back and a third shot entered directly behind RFK’s right ear.
June 17, 1969: Shirley Louise Anderson, a 25 year-old tourist from Rochester, New York, was killed when the PLO shelled the Israeli resort town of Kallia.
December 27, 1969: Leon Holtz, 48, a tourist from Brooklyn, New York, was killed when PLO terrorists fired shots at a tourist bus near Hebron.
February 21, 1970: Arab terrorists blew up an Israel-bound Swiss jet. The following Americans were killed:
Melvin Meyerson, of Stamford, Connecticut
Thomas Lingafelter, of Huntington, Long Island, New York
Mr. S. Silvershots, of Chula Vista, California
Mrs. S. Silvershots, of Chula Vista, California
Dr. Glenn Ware, of Barrington Hills, Illinois
Mrs. Glenn Ware, of Barrington Hills, Illinois
Dr. Weinermann, of Hamden, Connecticut
Mrs. Weinermann, of Hamden, Connecticut
February 23, 1970, Halhoul, West Bank. PLO terrorists open fire on a busload of pilgrims killing Barbara Ertle, wife of Reverend Theodore Ertle, of Michigan and wounding two other Americans.
March 28-29, 1970, Beirut, Lebanon. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) fired seven rockets at the U.S. Embassy, the American Insurance Company, Bank of America and the John F. Kennedy library.
September 14, 1970, En route to Amman, Jordan. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked a TWA flight from Zurich, Switzerland and forced it to land in Amman. Four American citizens were injured.
May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport, Israel. Three members of the Japanese Red Army, acting on the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine's behalf, carried out a machine-gun and grenade attack at Israel's main airport, killing 26 and wounding 78 people. Many of the casualties were American citizens, mostly from Puerto Rico.
September 5, 1972, Munich, Germany. During the Olympic Games in Munich, Black September (Right Photo), a front for Fatah took hostage 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team. Nine athletes were killed including weightlifter David Berger (Left Photo), an American-Israeli from Cleveland, Ohio.
http://avpv.tripod.com/Munich72.JPG
There is far more but I think the message is clear.
http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html
June 5, 1968: Presidential candidate Robert "Bobby" Kennedy was assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, a Jordanian Arab-Palestinian. RFK was shot at point-blank range from behind by three shots from Sirhan's .22 caliber pistol ... two shots entered his back and a third shot entered directly behind RFK’s right ear.
June 17, 1969: Shirley Louise Anderson, a 25 year-old tourist from Rochester, New York, was killed when the PLO shelled the Israeli resort town of Kallia.
December 27, 1969: Leon Holtz, 48, a tourist from Brooklyn, New York, was killed when PLO terrorists fired shots at a tourist bus near Hebron.
February 21, 1970: Arab terrorists blew up an Israel-bound Swiss jet. The following Americans were killed:
Melvin Meyerson, of Stamford, Connecticut
Thomas Lingafelter, of Huntington, Long Island, New York
Mr. S. Silvershots, of Chula Vista, California
Mrs. S. Silvershots, of Chula Vista, California
Dr. Glenn Ware, of Barrington Hills, Illinois
Mrs. Glenn Ware, of Barrington Hills, Illinois
Dr. Weinermann, of Hamden, Connecticut
Mrs. Weinermann, of Hamden, Connecticut
February 23, 1970, Halhoul, West Bank. PLO terrorists open fire on a busload of pilgrims killing Barbara Ertle, wife of Reverend Theodore Ertle, of Michigan and wounding two other Americans.
March 28-29, 1970, Beirut, Lebanon. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) fired seven rockets at the U.S. Embassy, the American Insurance Company, Bank of America and the John F. Kennedy library.
September 14, 1970, En route to Amman, Jordan. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked a TWA flight from Zurich, Switzerland and forced it to land in Amman. Four American citizens were injured.
May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport, Israel. Three members of the Japanese Red Army, acting on the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine's behalf, carried out a machine-gun and grenade attack at Israel's main airport, killing 26 and wounding 78 people. Many of the casualties were American citizens, mostly from Puerto Rico.
September 5, 1972, Munich, Germany. During the Olympic Games in Munich, Black September (Right Photo), a front for Fatah took hostage 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team. Nine athletes were killed including weightlifter David Berger (Left Photo), an American-Israeli from Cleveland, Ohio.
http://avpv.tripod.com/Munich72.JPG
There is far more but I think the message is clear.
http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Jul 25 2006, 07:18 PM)
Mid-1999: In his memoir, 'UNvanquished', Boutros-Ghali writes that Annan never told him about the 'Dallaire fax', and that he first learned about it in 1996
The United Nations has accepted the findings of a damning report which accused it of failing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda.
The United Nations has accepted the findings of a damning report which accused it of failing to prevent the genocide in Rwanda.
I'm not saying his negligence with Rwanda was right but what does that have to do with his opinion that the Israelis purposely bombed the outpost?
Never mind.
QUOTE(USA#1 @ Jul 25 2006, 08:39 PM)
Well let me ask you this ALL ... If you see children targeted with a standing order to destroy 10 buildings for every Hizbulla Missle Fired, what would YOU DO.
Replace the Israli Doctors with Doctors Making Millions in the USA.
KILL 'EM !!!
If Israel has no conscience, why should Hizbullah ... Right is Right ...
WRONG is WRONG !!!
Peace is Peace ... War is HELL .. GET IT !!!
Replace the Israli Doctors with Doctors Making Millions in the USA.
KILL 'EM !!!
If Israel has no conscience, why should Hizbullah ... Right is Right ...
WRONG is WRONG !!!
Peace is Peace ... War is HELL .. GET IT !!!
You still haven't answered coherently or with civility. I hope you are not sanctioned foryour outburst of your true feelings. One poster here admits Israel has NO right to exist and now you have your say.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your brutal honesty.
QUOTE(Silver @ Jul 25 2006, 08:41 PM)
I'm not saying his negligence with Rwanda was right but what does that have to do with his opinion that the Israelis purposely bombed the outpost?
he is about as trust worthy as GWB. One question..."would you trust him or UN peace keepers with the lives of loved ones?"
Why is Israel allowed to compete genecide in the name of defending itself? Is isreal not going to be happy till every arb is dead?
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Jul 25 2006, 07:46 PM)
I dare say you have gone over the deep end. I will not feed the fire. maybe a break is in order?
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Jul 25 2006, 08:46 PM)
Why is Israel allowed to compete genecide in the name of defending itself? Is isreal not going to be happy till every arb is dead?
Jason read my thread in the GBLT forum.
I'm locking this thread for editing. I will reopen it after I'm done.
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 25 2006, 10:37 PM)
Yep, exactly.
Makes the whole world at least Half Blind ... Eh?
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Jul 25 2006, 07:44 PM)
he is about as trust worthy as GWB. One question..."would you trust him or UN peace keepers with the lives of loved ones?"
I dunno, I haven't heard of any UN peacekeepers using white phosphorous, depleted uranium shells or laser guided smart bombs on civilians to "defend" themselves.
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Some here are weak children living in a world they think is real ... Reality is slapping them hard ... so hard they can't face it!
Cleanse away ... no matter what you do the human spirit lives despite your efforts.
[IMAGINE] John Lennon ... PEACE (to your war)
HA !!
Cleanse away ... no matter what you do the human spirit lives despite your efforts.
[IMAGINE] John Lennon ... PEACE (to your war)
HA !!
QUOTE(picadilly @ Jul 25 2006, 07:54 PM)
Spin, spin, spin ....
CNN:
U.N.: Israeli airstrike hits U.N. observer post
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 Posted: 0024 GMT (0824 HKT)
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- An Israeli airstrike hit a United Nations post in southern Lebanon late Tuesday, killing at least two of the agency's observers, according to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
The U.N. initially reported that four peacekeepers were dead, but later said there were two dead and two missing.
Lebanese security sources said the two missing observers are feared buried in the rubble of the building.
Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, said that "UNIFIL obviously got caught in the middle" of a gunfight between Hezbollah guerillas and Israeli troops.
...
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply distressed" by the "apparently deliberate" strike.
Ayalon called Annan's statement "outrageous," while Israel's U.N. ambassador, Dan Gillerman, said he, too, was "deeply distressed" that Annan alleged that the strike was deliberate.
...
For Israeli ambassadors, it appears there is more to be outraged about in Annan's two words than the murder of 4 UN peacekeeping troops, bombed in their highly signalled and long notified, static observation post.
CNN:
U.N.: Israeli airstrike hits U.N. observer post
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 Posted: 0024 GMT (0824 HKT)
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- An Israeli airstrike hit a United Nations post in southern Lebanon late Tuesday, killing at least two of the agency's observers, according to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
The U.N. initially reported that four peacekeepers were dead, but later said there were two dead and two missing.
Lebanese security sources said the two missing observers are feared buried in the rubble of the building.
Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, said that "UNIFIL obviously got caught in the middle" of a gunfight between Hezbollah guerillas and Israeli troops.
...
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply distressed" by the "apparently deliberate" strike.
Ayalon called Annan's statement "outrageous," while Israel's U.N. ambassador, Dan Gillerman, said he, too, was "deeply distressed" that Annan alleged that the strike was deliberate.
...
For Israeli ambassadors, it appears there is more to be outraged about in Annan's two words than the murder of 4 UN peacekeeping troops, bombed in their highly signalled and long notified, static observation post.
I don't know if this is the same interview I saw tonight in which an official from Israel on Anderson Cooper's 360 said something similar. What you aren't telling is that they are very sorry about all this, regret it, sent condolences to the families, and are investigating as fast as they can just what went wrong. He knew they were well aware of the UN post there and were told to be careful about it. OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WENT WRONG. Doesn't that make sense to anyone but me and the guy from Israel? What possible good, as he said, would it do for Israel to target UN peacekeepers? Have you all lost your minds or are you just in this feeding frenzy to bash Israel?
QUOTE(Teacher in SC @ Jul 25 2006, 11:35 PM)
I don't know if this is the same interview I saw tonight in which an official from Israel on Anderson Cooper's 360 said something similar. What you aren't telling is that they are very sorry about all this, regret it, sent condolences to the families, and are investigating as fast as they can just what went wrong. He knew they were well aware of the UN post there and were told to be careful about it. OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WENT WRONG. Doesn't that make sense to anyone but me and the guy from Israel? What possible good, as he said, would it do for Israel to target UN peacekeepers? Have you all lost your minds or are you just in this feeding frenzy to bash Israel?
All of the above, Teach...
QUOTE(wundermaus @ Jul 25 2006, 10:02 PM)
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QUOTE(Frenchy @ Jul 25 2006, 09:37 PM)
All of the above, Teach...
I don't think you should answer for everyone
QUOTE(DWB04 @ Jul 25 2006, 11:46 PM)
I don't think you should answer for everyone
My considered opinion, of course!
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What possible good, as he said, would it do for Israel to target UN peacekeepers? Have you all lost your minds or are you just in this feeding frenzy to bash Israel?
No good, of course. However what it does show is a certain degree of bloodlust, of insanity. They blew up some well marked ambulances. They blew up a well-known and well marked UN monitoring building. They creamed Lebanon's infrastructure hundreds of miles from where Hezballa is. They set the entire country back 10 years for two kidnapped soldiers.
I think the question should be -- why are they going completely apesh*t? It sure LOOKS like they are nuts!
Because they believe, not an eye-for-an-eye, but 100 eyes for 1 eye. They believe the only way to get along with the Arab world is to beat it into such a bloody pulp that no one ever dares mess with Israel again. They need to be the biggest, baddest dude on the block.
Now all those on the board that think that MACHO is cool, so be it. But it will probably end up quadrupling the number of enemies Israel has, and sinking their overall world respect substantially. Gee... what other country does that remind me of? Gee... I wonder who Israel is taking advice from? Gee, I wonder what other country doesn't really give a rat's ass about Israel, but just wants to either dominate the middle east, usher in the second coming, or both?
I originally supported Israel's moves. But I thought they would back down once they had made a reasonable point. Now it is obvious they have no intentions of backing down, and this brutal beating of Lebanon will go on for months. The end result COULD be that 1/4 the world's population ends up hating Israel with an unbelievable passion. That's very bad news for Israel.
P.S. -- Hey Israel -- the fundies in this country WANT you to be the center of WWIII. They WANT you to beat the crap out of the Muslims, so that Jesus will come again. But guess what happens then? You are dispensable. You don't matter anymore. You are just a convenient pawn in their game, because you aren't Christian.
Macho? Please Jim get real. being strident in defense of what one believes is not being macho.
but hey, I've been known to be wrong once or twice before.
but hey, I've been known to be wrong once or twice before.
One in ten, you may be interested in a GBLT thread on mideast gays.
QUOTE(Teacher in SC @ Jul 25 2006, 11:35 PM)
What you aren't telling is that they are very sorry about all this, regret it, sent condolences to the families, and are investigating as fast as they can just what went wrong. He knew they were well aware of the UN post there and were told to be careful about it. OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WENT WRONG.
Excellent point!!and
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But it will probably end up quadrupling the number of enemies Israel has, and sinking their overall world respect substantially. Gee... what other country does that remind me of? Gee... I wonder who Israel is taking advice from?
Excellent point!!
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Macho? Please Jim get real. being strident in defense of what one believes is not being macho.
If 30 Mexicans cross our southern border should we lay waste to Mexico City?
Israel grotesquely overreacted this time. Like I said, I originally supported them but this has gone way too far.
QUOTE(Teacher in SC @ Jul 25 2006, 11:35 PM)
What possible good, as he said, would it do for Israel to target UN peacekeepers?
1) Terrorize them as to discourage them from taking *any* action against Israel, including getting in their way.
2) We all heard how the US and Israel consider UN peacekeepers as disposables. So..., practice, practice, practice.
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Have you all lost your minds or are you just in this feeding frenzy to bash Israel?
You forgot the "rabies carrying" and "mouth foaming".
I am pretty sure that whatever we do would be worse than the Israelis are doing now, not that that justifies anything.
QUOTE(MrJim @ Jul 25 2006, 10:51 PM)
If 30 Mexicans cross our southern border should we lay waste to Mexico City?
Israel grotesquely overreacted this time. Like I said, I originally supported them but this has gone way too far.
Israel grotesquely overreacted this time. Like I said, I originally supported them but this has gone way too far.
QUOTE(progressivephoenix @ Jul 26 2006, 04:35 AM)
I am pretty sure that whatever we do would be worse than the Israelis are doing now, not that that justifies anything.
Combine This with the Red Cross Vehicle Incident and You Got the makings of a Good Old Fashioned --- Indiscriminant Not Surgical --- Fully Collateral and Blamable Israeli War Machine - Israel Is Acting As Vigilante Insurgents w/A Penchant for Quenching their BLOOD THIRST !!!
Anything That Moves --- FIRE !!!
It's got a Red Cross on it ... Wow it's a sideways X (Nice easy target)
QUOTE(USA#1 @ Jul 26 2006, 07:57 AM)
Combine This with the Red Cross Vehicle Incident and You Got the makings of a Good Old Fashioned --- Indiscriminant Not Surgical --- Fully Collateral and Blamable Israeli War Machine - Israel Is Acting As Vigilante Insurgents w/A Penchant for Quenching their BLOOD THIRST !!!
Anything That Moves --- FIRE !!!
It's got a Red Cross on it ... Wow it's a sideways X (Nice easy target)
Anything That Moves --- FIRE !!!
It's got a Red Cross on it ... Wow it's a sideways X (Nice easy target)
The jury is out on both of these incidents.
QUOTE(picadilly @ Jul 26 2006, 03:06 AM)
You forgot the "rabies carrying" and "mouth foaming".
So are you doing that too?
QUOTE(70sliberalism @ Jul 25 2006, 09:54 PM)
We hit a milk factory once. Sheet happens. the fog of war. That is why it is silly of these guys to play with fire. I understad they grew up with it, but they underestimate Israel at their own peril. Israel will survive anything. It may not look the same, but it is going nowhere. Of this I am sure. The destruction of Israel would be the beginning of the end.
Yes we also blew up an Iranian commercial airplane and bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan and the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. (A lot of Chinese subsequently demonstrated to express their displeasure.) But I am sure that we will hear how much more humane we were than Israel has been.
QUOTE(progressivephoenix @ Jul 26 2006, 04:35 AM)
I am pretty sure that whatever we do would be worse than the Israelis are doing now, not that that justifies anything.
Exactly.
Israel should be criticized, but they are hardly unique in what they are doing that should be criticized.
QUOTE(picadilly @ Jul 26 2006, 03:06 AM)
1) Terrorize them as to discourage them from taking *any* action against Israel, including getting in their way.
If that was what Israel intended wouldn't it have been a lot easier to make a few "diplomatic" threats against the UN, as in explicitly telling Anan or his people that the UN should leave while the war is going on, and if they didn't Israel couldn't be responsible for their safety? Couched in that way Israel could deny that they were making a real threat, but the message would be rather clear. The UN would probably leave and the PR risk to Israel would have been minimized, and the Israeli military could have focused more on Hezbollah without worrying about a side issue.
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2) We all heard how the US and Israel consider UN peacekeepers as disposables. So..., practice, practice, practice.
They are already "practicing" with Hezbollah. Do you think that the UN peacekeepers would be a fiercer opponent?
QUOTE(Frenchy @ Jul 26 2006, 09:00 AM)
The jury is out on both of these incidents.
This morning I heard on the news that the UN observers were 'in constant contact with Israel telling them they were under attack and asking them to cease fire."
That is, until they were finally killed.
I read that 21,000 US deaths in WWII were caused by friendly fire. I am sure that that many of those were in "constant contact with the US" and asked for a cease fire.
Maybe the veterans on this board can tell us about some real life stupid mistakes from their own experience.
Maybe the veterans on this board can tell us about some real life stupid mistakes from their own experience.
QUOTE(Gabrielle @ Jul 26 2006, 05:58 AM)
This morning I heard on the news that the UN observers were 'in constant contact with Israel telling them they were under attack and asking them to cease fire."
That is, until they were finally killed.
That is, until they were finally killed.
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