Ferget it. BTW. I said the photo was open to interpretation. But there is certainly something there where there shouldn't be. There was no reported posting of police behind the picket fence, and yet witnesses said two police officers shooed them back after people heard the shot come from there. This is all documented. I didn't say the photo was good enough by itself. But with the rest of the evidence, it is literally the "smoking gun" for me.

About the same as getting a new investigation into the Lincoln assassination?

In the 1950's Prescott Bush and the Harrimans are the founding fathers of CBS. In 1963, CBS reporter Dan Rather makes his career break with the Kennedy Assassination by lying to the American public that he sees JFK's head move violently FORWARD on the Zapruder film. (audio at link)

The lie is possible, because the Zapruder film was bought by Time Life and kept lock and barrel from the public for 14 years. Time Life is founded and owned by Henry Luce, also a member of Skull and Bones.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

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Prescott Bush with his protégé

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Bush was in and near Dallas on 11/22/63.
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Jack Ruby was an investigator who worked for Nixon in 1947 when Nixon served on the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/nixonruby.htm

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One of the most tantalizing nuggets about Nixon's possible inside knowledge of JFK assassination secrets was buried on a White House tape until 2002. On the tape, recorded in May of 1972, the president confided to two top aides that the Warren Commission pulled off "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated." ….

As well as helping to perpetuate the Kennedy assassination "hoax" by turning down Haldeman's proposal for a new JFK probe, Nixon had a major hand in perpetrating it. In November of 1964, on the eve of the official release of the Warren Report, private citizen Nixon went public in support of the panel's coming findings. In a piece for Reader's Digest, he portrayed Oswald as the sole assassin. And Nixon implied that Castro — "a hero in the warped mind of Oswald" — was the real culprit.

He claimed that Robert Kennedy, as attorney general, had authorized a larger number of wiretaps than his own administration. "But I don't criticize it," he declared, adding, "if he had ten more and — as a result of wiretaps — had been able to discover the Oswald Plan, it would have been worth it."

Whoops! The president apparently didn't realize his reference to "the Oswald Plan" didn't square with the government's official lone-killer finding. For if Lee Harvey Oswald had been solely responsible for the assassination, then there would not have been anyone for Oswald to conspire with about his "plan" — on a bugged telephone, or otherwise. Was Nixon inadvertently revealing his knowledge that Mob leaders (Robert Kennedy's main wiretap targets) had a role in President Kennedy's slaying? Was such a belief based on information acquired as a result of Nixon's own solid ties to organized crime and the Mafia-infested Teamsters union?

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush2.htm

It can now be conclusively shown that both Gerald Ford and Arlen Specter (now a senator for Pennsylvania) tampered with the medical evidence of JFK's autopsy and put these lies in the Warren Report.

Hale Boggs sat on the Warren Commission, which concluded that President Kennedy was slain by a lone assassin. Later, in 1971 and '72, Boggs said that the Warren Report was false and that J. Edgar Hoover's FBI not only helped cover up the JFK murder but blackmailed Congress with massive wire-tapping and spying. He named Warren Commission staff member Arlen Specter as a major cover-up artist. Congressman Boggs' plane disappeared on a flight to Alaska in 1972. The press, the military, and the CIA publicly proclaimed the plane could not be located. Investigators later said that was a lie, that the plane had been found.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm

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In 1976, George H.W. Bush was appointed CIA director by president and former Warren Commission member Gerald Ford at the exact time that newly erected investigative committees were probing the possible role of the CIA into the assassination plots to kill Fidel Castro, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm

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George H.W. Bush becomes the first President in American history to effectively grant himself a pardon in order to avoid prosecution for Iran Contra, by pardoning his numerous accomplices in that operation. Some of them are now holding posts in his son's administration.

George H.W. Bush has always been and still is vehemently opposed to declassifying files on the Kennedy Assassination. His son George W. Bush has just overturned a decision of the Clinton administration to declassify files about past presidents. The bogus excuse is always "national security".

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush4.htm


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"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."

John F. Kennedy

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/headshot.htm

Don't those guys in that pic look like a couple of mobsters? I bet they would steal from their own mother if the price was right.

BTW awesome post Magmak.

The problems I have with the badgeman photo are multiple:

1. The shooter's view of Kennedy would have been at least partially blocked by the cement retaining wall on the grassy knoll at the time of the fatal head shot.

2. The shooter would have been just a few feet from Zapruder, who never noticed anyone there, let alone heard a high powered rifle go off just a few feet away.

3. The acoustic evidence puts the Grassy Knoll shooter a good 20 or 30 feet farther down the picket fence.

4. The angle of the shot was wrong -- the shooter would have had to have been far more forward than where the badgeman supposedly was.


So I think that interpretation of the Moorman photo is bogus.

What you can see (or infer) from the Zapruder film and other photos is this:

Three or four shots probably came from behind. Photographic evidence shows shots that missed and hit the curbs which probably came from far lower angles than those provided from the 6th floor of the TSBD. So there were probably two teams positioned from behind - one in the TSBD and one in the Dal Tex building.

There were two signalmen -- one with an umbrella and one with a white jacket. When it was clear that the rear shots had not done the job, they signaled for the Grassy Knoll shooter to take his shot. The umbrella man pumped his umbrella up and down, and the guy in the white jacket held his clenched fist in the air. These signalmen can be seen in later photos -- the guy in the white jacket, hispanic, is clearly seen talking in a walkie talkie and then putting that thing in his back pocket after the shooting.

So now a tape of Nixon in the timeframe when he was getting wasted and calling for nuclear attacks against Israel is supposed to be convincing? By 73 he was insane (removed from chain of command several times for temporary insanity).

I think so too

I don't know anything about these points you make. I've heard about the signalmen. A man on the overpass says he saw them. You apparently have researched this much more than me. I am just one among the 70+ % of the American People who don't believe the Warren Report, and consequentley have slowly arrived where I am now. I don't trust the leaders.

I no longer believe most of what comes from any Administration since. And I believe nothing that comes from the current one.

Not that I am defending Nixon's sanity, but I have never heard this. Where did you get that info from?

Yet another fact overlooked by the Warren Commission!

I'd say that warrants another investigation!

Yes, I know there was a great deal of concern about Nixon's "health" in the final stages of his Presidency... this is fairly well and widely documented (though I have no sources at my fingertips). But that may be totally irrelvant, whether true or false, as there is plenty of other background information to support the general point.

Probably pretty low. It has been almost 43 years.

If it was a conspiracy I think that the conspirators are pretty safe, probably safely dead.

I am a bit of a skeptic of the CT, but apparently there are some problems with the official story as well. And as I think you would have needed many less people involved in the plot than the CT's concerning 911 or the 2004 election would, my skepticism here is much lower.

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/watergate.html

I wasn't trying to make you look bad. This stuff could occupy you full-time for many years, and you still wouldn't know everything. And you also wouldn't get paid anything, which is a bummer.

This is one of the biggest drawbacks to conspiracy research -- you do all this work, and you don't get paid. So there is a large temptation to put out something -- anything -- into a book to try to recoup some of those lost wages, and the stuff many people put out is garbage.

The guy who carried the football during part of that timeframe and was White House Intelligence Archivist during most of the rest ( learned about some instances in real time). The information was publicly disclosed a few years ago, but I forget where.

As I think, Bush41 and the crew of backstabbing so called friends Nixon had, played on his illness' and set him up big time to take a fall.

Which he did.

I would rather have Nixon back now. At least he .....

There is still Arlen Spector and Gerald Ford and his wife Betty.

You know, I forgot Betty had problems. Bet she was the inspriation for that Jean Smart character on 24, who knew there was a conspiracy even though she was dilussional and paranoid and a druggie and a drunk. and she was correct, too.

put out a better book

Does someone want to finance my research time? (Like years???) Garrison had a job as the New Orleans DA. Marrs has books in print financing him. Groden seems to be single and leading an austere lifestyle. Etc. etc.

Nobody's paid me a dime yet and I don't care to get paid for my research.
I just want to see my country get right.
Hell man I'd be lookin at porn or something if I didn't know something bad was up.
I'd much rather be fishing or hunting.

I'll be scarce come November btw...........
Oh .....and I am working on a package for a certain Investigative Journalist.

I'm doing the work and he will get paid ?

Oh well ......it will be worth it if it makes the end result good.

Well, I just don't have any spare time right now to do it for free. And I too would rather be fishing...

April: Bass and Crappie in the local reservoirs
May / June: American Shad in the Sacramento
July / August: Salmon in the Feather River
September/October: trout in Lake Almanor and Eagle Lake

Nov - March: Hole up from those terrible Caifornia winters.

BS Mr Jim ...........you have already done your homework! I know you have !
It's just a matter of sharing it. You spend a lot of time here don't you?

Get out of the box and share what you know man.

Get it out of your system man

I'm willing to listen to you.....................screw everyone else if they don't like it. They can view another thread.

Well one thing is for sure, I wish I could live off of it. If I could get paid enough to be at home and research this stuff all day I would be in heaven.

To be honest, I don't know what happened on 11/22/63. All I do know is that the official story cannot be correct for a number of different reasons.

A lot of the JFK conspiracy books are actually quite poorly written. And the conspiracy theorists argue as much about things as we do about 9/11, even though we all agree that the official story is rubbish... we just don't agree on the level of complicity.

On top of the naturally generated rubbish, you have a bunch of disinformation being purposefully stirred into the pot.

All I know is that I see these glaring -- WEIRD THINGS -- about the JFK assassination. Nixon was in Dallas. Bush was in Dallas. Both said they weren't. E. Howard Hunt was photographed near Dealy Plaza, dressed up as a "tramp". And the photo is pretty darned clear. General Landsdale was photographed near Dealy Plaza. The mayor of Dallas was the brother of the General who ran the Bay of Pigs operation. Good God -- it was a "good ol' boy" party right there! The good ol' boys -- Nixon... "the Texans"... the Bushes...

It goes on and on... weird coincidence after weird coincidence. Occam's razor becomes "there had to be a conspiracy to link all the coincidences".

Here's a simple thing to think about Mr Jim.....
Think about how much dis-information is out there. There must be a reason for that right ? Someone's trying to cover their ass in other words.

Summarized as a simple but powerful phrase:

The coverup obviates the conspiracy.

When you have a government that can make anything a secret based on "national security", how can we be certain of anything it says? There is so much stuff from WW2 that is still classified and a lot of the countries we were at war with don't even exist anymore. Why? What's the point? There can be only one reason. They have something to hide.

Exactly!

What the hell else matters really ?
Let's all grow up together.
Admit it !
It's bad !!

I view it slightly differently, where people were tells me little, in fact a real power broker wants to be far away from the action (e.g. Capone during the St. Valentines Day Massacre) so proximity (even if denied) would tend more towards innocence than implication unless the person may have played a role in the actual execution of the plan (spotter, shooter, driver, pilot,decoy).

However, the evidence clearly shows that we weren't told the truth. The coverup doesn't prove conspiracy, it can be covering abysmal failure, but for it to continue this long indicates more than standard CYA and is literally impossible to be a matter of national security.

Bush41 was young back then. He had to still get his hands dirty himself,tobe a real member of his family, so he needed to be there.

I would be inclined to give Nixon a pass. I personally don't believe he had any involvement at all

The Texans are the Bush family.

But Bush was born into a rich, powerful New England family, not a Mafia family. (He was a member of the family from the time he poked out of his mother's body.) Such people feel entitled not to be required to do many things, such as get their hands dirty.

Whether or not the Bushes have gotten involved in crimes of this magnitude, I hightly doubt that they would sully their own hands or expose themselves to culpability in this manner. If he was involved, he would have called hired hands. He probably told them not to bother him too much with the details, just get the job done, show results, just like any rich businessman would have. (I'm not saying he was involved, I am just saying if he was involved.)

The Bush family is absolutely a crime syndicate. All one needs to do is take a cursory look at their history. They may not be connected to the lower class Italian style mafia but they most certainly conduct their business in much the same fashion. Just larger dollars and higher stakes.

Their whole family were traitors from the start. The Bush's were selling weapons to the South in the Civil War, they funded Nazi death camps (including Auschwitz) and tried selling yellow cake uranium to the Luftwaffe in WW2 (can you imagine if Germany had gotten the bomb?). Prescott was indicted for trying to sell the yellow cake but they let him go if he helped with information in tracking down known Nazi criminals(or so they say).

Poppy Bush fared better with tons of allegations made against him, but by then his family was too rich to be touched.

I don't know enough to agree with or debunk your allegations here. (I know P. Bush had business dealings with that German banker who supported Hitler. I also know that big American corporations such as GM had dealings with Nazi Germany. That doesn't mean that what Bush did was okay, but it was hardly unique.) My point was that the Bushes are a family, a very fortunate family, first (and perhaps a "crime syndicate" second). At least that is my impression. I doubt that Prescott Bush's son George needed to be "made" by doing some grubby job in Dallas the day JFK was shot (accepting for the sake of argument that the Bushes were involved) before he would be considered a "true member of the family." He already had that status.

By the time of his 1948 graduation, he had been elected to Phi Beta Kappa, an honor traditionally associated with academic achievement. A great deal is known about George Bush's career at Yale, except the part about books and studies. Unfortunately for those who would wish to consider his intellectual accomplishment, everything about that has been sealed shut and is top secret. The Yale administration says they have turned over to the FBI custody of all of Bush's academic records, allegedly because the FBI needs such access to check the resume@eacute; of important office holders.

From all available testimony, his mental life before college was anything but outstanding. His campaign literature claims that, as a veteran, Bush was ``serious'' at Yale. But we cannot check exactly how he achieved election to Phi Beta Kappa, in his abbreviated college experience. Without top secret clearance, we cannot consult his test results, read his essays, or learn much about his performance in class. We know that his father was a trustee of the university, in charge of ``developmental'' fundraising. And his family friends were in control of the U.S. secret services.

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Other Important Bonesmen

Richard M. Bissell, Jr. was a very important man to the denizens of Jupiter Island.
He graduated from Yale in 1932, the year after the Harrimanites bought the island. Though not in Skull and Bones, Bissell was the younger brother of William Truesdale Bissell, a Bonesman from the class of 1925. Their father, Connecticut insurance executive Richard M. Bissell, Sr., had put the U.S. insurance industry's inside knowledge of all fire-insured industrial plants at the disposal of government planners during World War I.

The senior Bissell, a powerful Yale alumnus, was also the director of the Neuro-Psychiatric Institute of the Hartford Retreat for the Insane; there, in 1904, Yale graduate Clifford Beers underwent mind-destroying treatment which led this mental patient to found the Mental Hygiene Society, a major Yale-based Skull and Bones project. This would evolve into the CIA's cultural engineering effort of the 1950s, the drugs and brainwashing adventure known as MK-Ultra.

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Bissell then joined F. Trubee Davison at the Central Intelligence Agency. When Allen Dulles became CIA Director, Bissell was one of his three aides.

Why could this be of interest to our Floridians? We saw in Chapter 4, that the great anti-Castro covert initiative of 1959-61 was supervised by an awesome array of Harriman agents. We need now add to that assessment only the fact that the detailed management of the invasion of Cuba, and of the assassination planning, and the training of the squads for these jobs, was given into the hands of Richard M. Bissell, Jr.

This 1961 invasion failed. Fidel Castro survived the widely-discussed assassination plots against him. But the initiative succeeded in what was probably its core purpose: to organize a force of multi-use professional assassins.

The Florida-trained killers stayed in business under the leadership of Ted Shackley. They were all around the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963. They kept going with the Operation Phoenix mass murder of Vietnamese civilians, with Middle East drug and terrorist programs, and with George Bush's Contra wars in Central America.

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Other modern Bonesmen have been closely tied to George Bush's career.

George Herbert Walker, Jr. (S&B 1927) was the President's uncle and financial angel. In the 1970s he sold G.H. Walker & Co. to White, Weld & Co. and became a director of White, Weld; company heir William Weld, the current Massachusetts governor, is an active Bush Republican.

Publisher William F. Buckley (S&B 1950) had a family oil business in Mexico. There Buckley was a close ally to CIA covert operations manager E. Howard Hunt, whose lethal antics were performed under the eyes of Miami Station and Jupiter Island.

David Lyle Boren (S&B 1963) was assistant to the director of the Office of Civil and Defense Mobilization, and a propaganda analyst for the U.S. Information Agency, before graduating from Yale. Thus while he was imbibing the British view at Oxford University (1963-65), Boren was already an Anglo-American intelligence operative, listed in the ``speakers bureau'' of the American embassy in London. David Boren was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1979 and became chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Though a Democrat (who spoke knowingly of the ``parallel government'' operating in Iran-Contra), Boren's Intelligence Committee rulings have been (not unexpectedly) more and more favorable to his ``Patriarch'' in the White House.

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The Skull and Bones attorney representing the Bush family and managing the case was Endicott Peabody Davison. His father was the F. Trubee Davison mentioned above, who had been president of New York's American Museum of Natural History, and personnel director for the Central Intelligence Agency.

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from Chapter VIIIB ( The Bay of Pigs and the Kennedy Assassination):

"...JM/WAVE ...proliferated across [Florida] in preparation for the Bay of Pigs invasion. A subculture of fronts, proprietaries, suppliers, transfer agents, conduits, dummy corporations, blind drops, detective agencies, law firms, electronic firms, shopping centers, airlines, radio stations, the mob and the church and the banks: a false and secret nervous system twitching to stimuli supplied by the cortex in Clandestine Services in Langley. After defeat on the beach in Cuba, JM/WAVE became a continuing and extended Miami Station, CIA's largest in the continental United States. A large sign in front of the [...] building complex reads: US GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS PROHIBIT DISCUSSION OF THIS ORGANIZATION OR FACILITY.

Donald Freed, Death in Washington (Westport, Connecticut, 1980), p. 141.

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During the twentieth century, the Skull and Bones/Harriman circles have always maintained a sizable and often decisive presence inside the intelligence organizations of the State Department, the Treasury Department, the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Office of Strategic Services, and the Central Intelligence Agency. ...

A body of leads has been assembled which suggests that George Bush may have been associated with the CIA at some time before the autumn of 1963. According to Joseph McBride of The Nation, "a source with close connections to the intelligence community confirms that Bush started working for the agency in 1960 or 1961, using his oil business as a cover for clandestine activities." (Joseph McBride, "'George Bush,' CIA Operative," The Nation, July 16, 1988.)


Excerpts from
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

by
Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Well considering Bush Sr. didn't even know what a checkout stand at a grocery store was for, I seriously doubt he's worked hard at anything in his life. I'd also be be willing to place some large bets that there isn't an honest dime in the Bush family coffers. Everything they have made is a direct result of blood or drug money. If they have had any honest business ventures then I'm sure it was also funded by their drug and blood money.

I've seen pictures of the "pristene" bullet. It is an Italian military issue full metal jacket ball bullet.

In today's usage, both military and civilian, ball ammunition means a bullet so constructed that it is solid or non-expanding in nature. This is usually achieved through the use of a metal jacket which is bonded to the lead core. It is possible, however rare, to have a completely copper or tungsten bullet, and though typically these are in a class of their own, they could be considered ball ammunition. Ball ammunition, without exception, has no cavity at/in the nose of the bullet, unlike a simple hollow point (no metal jacket) or jacked hollow point ammunition. Ammunition with solid nose (no cavity) lead bullets with no jacket material are also classified as ball ammunition, though this is rare ammunition to find.

Ball ammunition in rifle cartridges usually means full metal jacket bullets, but in handgun cartridges the term may also include solid lead bullets. You may hear it called "hardball" in pistol speak, which means a full metal jacket covering of the lead core.

I see. When you say ball amunition, I was thinking of the kind used in muskets. lol

The origin of the term ball ammunition is simple enough: when firearms were first invented, they mainly shot a lead ball. I say mainly because firearms at the time also were known to shoot other things, such as rocks and pieces of glass. Shotguns have shot "ball ammunition" from their inception- the shot itself is a little pellet of lead which is occasionally covered in copper or nickel.

In early rifles and pistols, a charge of black powder was set in the bore, followed by a cloth patch which was then followed by the ball itself. The ball was then launched when the powder was ignited. Rinse and repeat.

Fast forward to today.

Once almost exclusively a military term, military ball ammunition simply meant a regular, standard miltary round (what is used 99% of the time) as opposed to such things as a armor piercing, tracer, dum-dum, and incendiary type rounds.

This phrase troubled me a bit when I read it, but I couldn't be sure why at that time, and I couldn't articulate what was running around in the back of my mind. I thought first of an arsonist who likes to be on-scene as a rescuer, and began to think of "the criminal mind". (But I have no formal -- or informal-- background in anything even closely related, so I came up empty...) But still I felt I had read something somewhere which spoke to the open arrogance of the recent national traumas... It took me a while to find it... I had posted it previously in the 9/11 thread. Here it is:


"Don't you think the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They chose not to. Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner. The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny. The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: "We are in control and no one not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official - no one can do anything about it." It was a message to the people that their government was powerless. And the people eventually got the message...."

-- Vincent Salandria, The Last Investigation

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005...t-this-way.html


Furthermore, this open arrogance also extends to 9/11, and is evident in many other elements of current American polity.

As a follow-up to the above:

".... the example offered here begins to illustrate the kind of mass mind control that the Central Intelligence Agency has accomplished through its control of the media: the most damning facts can be right out there on the table in front of people, but most people cannot see them, or if they can see them they cannot reason from them clearly and productively. The natural cognitive and affective vulnerabilities of the masses against seeing unpleasant truths have been enhanced and refined by the establishment media shaping not only what they know through disinformation, but also how they think about what little they do know. (See footnote #1)

"USGIC domestic covert operations succeed in part by appointing “investigative” panels or commissions that function as a profound tribal ritual intended to produce consensus; the greater the ceremony, the more compelling the conclusions seem. Key members whose principal purpose is to conceal the guilty actions of the culpable parties always control such “investigations”.

"The cover-up is done in front of our eyes, in plain sight, and succeeds because the public cannot think...."


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From footnote #1: "JFK researcher Vincent J. Salandria had by 1971 appreciated that USGIC domestic covert operations are invariably “transparent conspiracies” revealed by the evidence for any who wish to see them, hence are a declaration of power; see his False Mystery, Chpt. “A Model of Explanation,” Square Deal Press, 2004."

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/H...AwayWithIt.html

As further follow-up:

In the the Q&A session following one of his presentations, David Ray Griffin (theologian and author of three books on 9/11) was asked the following question: "How do you account for the fact that there are so many holes in the official story? Surely, they would have planned the cover story while planning the attack. Do they want us to uncover the truth... "

He answered in part: "Now there is a very frightening possibility which is, yes indeed, they do want Americans to know and know that they know we know and that there is nothing we can do about it and that they are in control. I hope that is not the case, but it well could be. People ask me if this stuff keeps me up at night; that possibility does, sometimes."

ftp://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/tuc@tuc...inmyththree.mp3

This is really the scariest thing I have read yet.

It is so in your face.

They want us to know that indeed, there is NOTHING we can do about it, and that they are in control.

If that doesn't give you nightmares...(I want what you are taking).(pun intended).

With all due respect...that is the dumbest thing I've read yet!
Where do these Space Cadets come from? Graham...? Get out and get some fresh air...

The narcotraficantes who killed major presidential candidates in Colombia and Mexico were arrogant. They figured that no one would touch them. People were certainly in no doubt that they were the ones who did these killings.

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the American public thought that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. But I would also bet that if you asked people who did it that they would come up with a variety of answers, the CIA, the Cubans, the Soviets, the Mafia, Lyndon Johnson, George Bush, etc., etc.

If the killers were so arrogant, then shouldn't we be in no doubt who did it?

As far as 9/11 goes, I would suggest people walk down a city street and ask 20 people if they thought it was an inside job, masterminded by Bush and Cheney, and see what the general reaction was.

No, don't complain that by the last paragraph I am ridiculing the theories of the 911 revisionists. The vast majority of those 20 people could be very wrong. What I am ridiculing is the idea that the conspirators would have meant for us to know that it was an inside job.

In your face indeed!

I made a direct quote from the article above my post.

Your remark is for the author of the article, not me (you of course have every right to not believe as I do to believe)...but just wanted to clear that little thing up that I was making a direct quote