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The Iranian paradox: to gain victory the West must first concede defeat
Anatole Kaletsky


DEFEAT IS NEVER pleasant, but often it is better to lose than to win. Defeat in the Second World War was the best thing that ever happened to Germany and Japan in their thousand years of recorded history. For America, losing in Vietnam was also a blessing in disguise. While defeat seemed to shatter the illusion of an “American century” of global dominance, it was followed by 30 years of almost uninterrupted prosperity, a political renaissance for conservative values and America’s total victory over communism in the Cold War.

Such thoughts may not offer much consolation to George Bush, Tony Blair and Ehud Olmert as they contemplate their defeat at the hands of Iran and its Hezbollah allies. But the ordinary citizens of America, Britain and Israel should try to draw some constructive lessons from history, even while their leaders make ever greater fools of themselves with their idle threats against Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

The “international community” is now totally powerless in its nuclear confrontation with Iran, even more so than with North Korea. Pyongyang needs food and fuel to survive and is therefore susceptible to pressure from China. Iran, at the moment flush with oil wealth, needs nothing and is not dependent on anyone.

The sort of economic and diplomatic sanctions being ominously debated by the UN Security Council — curbing investment in Iran’s oil industry or banning exports of machinery and luxury goods — would be worse than ineffective. They would actually strengthen the regime of Iran’s fanatically anti-American and anti-Israeli President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Economic sanctions would help Ahmadinejad by adding to the xenophobic paranoia that always tends to reinforce nationalist extremists, at least in the short term. In the case of Iran, however, there is another, more important, reason why sanctions would be counter-productive. Far from defeating Iran through economic exhaustion, sanctions would make the country, or at least its Government, even richer and more powerful than it is today. This paradox, which has never before arisen in the use of economic sanctions for diplomatic purposes, arises because of the state of the global oil market today.

Oil prices have more than doubled in the past three years because steadily rising demand, especially from China, has run up against the limits of global production capacity. If Iran, which is the world’s third-largest oil producer after Russia and Saudi Arabia, had even a small part of its exports removed by sanctions from world markets, the oil price would shoot up to $100 or more. As long as the percentage increase in oil prices was higher than Iran’s percentage loss of export volumes, sanctions would result in the Government’s total revenues going up, instead of down.

Iran also controls the Straits of Hormuz, the narrow strip that separates the country from the Arabian peninsula and which provides a passage for roughly 40 per cent of the world’s internationally traded oil. If Iran were to close the Strait of Hormuz or otherwise threaten foreign shipping in response to an attempt to impose economic sanctions, the oil price would jump not just to $100 a barrel but probably to $150 or beyond. As a result, the Iranian Government could quite conceivably double its present revenues after the imposition of sanctions. Thus sanctions would provide President Ahmadinejad with even more money to buy popularity among his domestic voters, and unleash an even greater torrent of oil money to finance Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon and anti- American Shia in Iraq.

But if sanctions are doomed to failure, what about military options? As a last resort, couldn’t America or Israel stop the nuclear programme by threatening to bomb Iran? Sadly or happily (depending on your worldview), the answer is a very clear “no”. Militarily, America and Israel have now shot their bolts in Iraq and Lebanon respectively. They have neither the firepower nor the willpower to do anything to stop Iran’s nuclear programme — and even if they did have the capacity to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, they could not afford the risk of destabilising their other Middle Eastern interests even further by taking military action. Moreover, both America and Israel now understand that a bombing campaign that could not be backed by an infantry invasion would only reinforce the existing regime’s grip on power.

The last argument against a military strike, but by no means the least one, brings us back to the oil issue. If the US or Israel were to bomb Iran’s nuclear installations, Iran would have the strongest possible pretext to ramp up the oil price to $150 a barrel or higher by closing or restricting traffic in the Strait of Hormuz. Thus a military attack on Iran, just like economic sanctions, would increase the Government’s capacity to finance global terrorism and curry favour with the Iranian public. It would also cause potentially catastrophic disruption to the world economy when the American public is already turning against the Iraq adventure and Republicans face a potentially disastrous electoral defeat.

What then should America and its allies do in the face of Iran’s nuclear defiance? The answer is clear: concede defeat. Iran has won this tussle and there is no point in pretending otherwise. Instead of trying to stop Iran’s nuclear programme, the international community must bring Iran back into the civilised world. The only way to do that is to stop issuing empty threats and to start offering Iran real incentives for co-operative behaviour — non-aggression guarantees from America and Israel, removal of the residual US economic sanctions dating back to the 1980s and the prospect of steadily improving treatment in investment and trade. Of course, such a U-turn seems inconceivable while President Bush remains in office. But remember President Nixon’s historic opening to China as he was losing the war in Vietnam. To paraphrase Johnson, a politician’s mind can be concentrated wonderfully by the knowledge that he is faces defeat.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2326132,00.html
Marine
'Clear evidence' Iran is arming, training Iraqi extremists: US general
Aug 23 3:14 PM US/Eastern


A senior US military official said there is "clear evidence" that Iran is funding, training and arming Shiite extremists to destabilize Iraq.
"I think it is irrefutable that Iran is responsible for training, funding and equipping some of these Shia extremist groups, and also providing advanced IED technology," said Brigadier General Michael Barbero, using the acronym for "improvised explosive devices."



"And there is clear evidence of that," he added at a Pentagon press conference.

His comments came the same day that Iran turned aside demands by the international community that it halt uranium enrichment as required by a UN Security Council resolution, offering "serious negotiations" instead.

Barbero, deputy operations director of the joint staff, said he had seen no reports of "direct contact" involving Iranian paramilitary or intelligence forces.

But he said he had seen "reports of their involvement and presence there as trainers to train these terrorists and Shia extremist groups."

How to respond to destabilizing Iranian activity was a question for policymakers, Barbero said.

But he said neutralizing the Shiite extremist groups in Iraq "will go a long way to removing their direct influence into the affairs of the sovereign country of Iraq."

In recent weeks, US military forces have stepped up raids against Shiite and Sunni extremist groups in Baghdad in an effort to tamp down a wave of violence that has raised fears of civil war.

The violence last month forced the United States to extend the tours of nearly 4,000 troops, preventing a reduction in the size of the 133,000-strong US force.

"Our intent is to draw down the number of troops," Barbero said. "And, as I said, that will be driven by the conditions on the ground and the requests from the commanders on the ground."




http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/23/0...3.f6anfeud.html

And I'd like to add my 2cents.gif that there isn't a damned thing about an IED which is improvised anymore. These things are being professionally manufacture and carry a "Made in Iran" label. Think about that the next time you hear about an American being killed by an IED.
Beamer
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 24 2006, 09:08 AM)
And I'd like to add my  2cents.gif  that there isn't a damned thing about an IED which is improvised anymore.  These things are being professionally manufacture and carry a "Made in Iran" label.  Think about that the next time you hear about an American being killed by an IED.
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And...if what you're saying is true, what do you suggest we do about it?
Beamer
An article in USA Today talks about the poor options we are facing.

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Iran's double talk leaves U.S., allies plenty of bad options
Posted 8/23/2006 9:10 PM ET

Iran lived up to its long history of diplomatic double talk this week. By all accounts, its convoluted response to a U.S.-European offer for negotiations on its fast-advancing nuclear program boils down to this: yes but no. Yes, we are ready for serious talks. But, no, we won't accept the single condition to stop enriching uranium.

The official Bush administration reaction Wednesday to this claptrap was that the 21-page Iranian proposal falls short of United Nations demands, and that the United States will consult with other Security Council members.

The question is what to do next. That the world would be better off without Iran's program is indisputable. A nuclear Iran could supply weapons to terrorists or use them to menace Israel, which Iran's messianic president thinks should be destroyed. And if Iran goes nuclear, others in the already highly volatile Middle East region are likely to follow.

All this reignites President Kennedy's fear in the early 1960s that the United States would soon "face a world in which 15 or 20 or 25 nations" possessed nuclear arms, instead of the four existing at the time. Kennedy's response is instructive. He worked with others to coerce nations to give up nuclear ambitions. The resulting accord, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has since restrained all but five (China, India, Israel and, more recently, Pakistan and North Korea).

If Iran, which signed the non-proliferation treaty in 1968, refuses to suspend its uranium enrichment by the end of this month, as called for in a Security Council resolution, the evident next step will be draconian sanctions. But that's not so easy. Two members of the Security Council with veto power — Russia and China — have energy and investment deals with Iran and are reluctant to impose harsh sanctions. Iran's yes-but-no answer was likely designed to split them off. Right on cue, both issued ambivalent responses.

Military action is both premature and problematic. Airstrikes aren't likely to be able to destroy all of Iran's dispersed facilities, some of which are deep underground or hidden. Iran is far larger and more inhospitable to ground troops than Iraq, where the United States is already bogged down. Military action could also ignite retaliation against those U.S. troops in Iraq as well as more widely.

The best of bad options is for Washington to start playing more chess than poker — moving the political and diplomatic pieces in an effort to checkmate Tehran, instead of raising the stakes while holding a weak hand and letting Iran call the U.N.'s bluff.

A first next step, for instance, might be to impose whatever sanctions Russia and China could accept, such as restricting Iranian officials' travel. There could be some finessing of when a suspension of enrichment would take place. Public fudging is part of all successful negotiations. So, too, is compromise: The United States, for example, might have to offer Iran guarantees that it will not seek violent regime change.

The point is to inch forward and allow no daylight to open up among allies. If and when it becomes clear that Iran won't budge, the alliance against it can be solid enough to inflict what pain is possible. Iran's economy depends on oil riches and handouts. Reducing trade and the refined gasoline Iran that imports (because it doesn't have enough refineries) are potential pressure points.

There are no easy options in dealing with Iran. Ultimately, the United States and its allies might have to decide which is worse: allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons or a military strike aimed at preventing it from doing so. That fateful decision, however, should not be made until the non-military alternatives have been exhausted.


 
Find this article at:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/edito...iran-edit_x.htm 
graham4anything
If Israel were to go against all the nations of the world and on her own(or with Bush's silent assent), then the revenge against her is 100 percent completely warranted.

Who died and named Israel king?

Why is it we and Israel can have what no other nations with few exceptions can?

Who made these fool rules up?
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