I saw CNN commenting on Ukraine elections this morning. They were talking about the exit polls and the election results not matching. They said that was an indication of rigged elections. If only they would wake up one day and take a look at what's happening right in front of their eyes here.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/22...enew/index.html
"Yanukovych had 49.42 percent to Yushchenko's 46.70 percent, officials said, with 99.38 percent of precincts counted.
Earlier partial results showed Yanukovych less than one percentage point ahead. An exit poll, conducted under a Western-funded program, gave Yushchenko 54 percent of the vote to Yanukovych's 43 percent.
Another poll put Yushchenko ahead by 49.4 to 45.9 percent, the Interfax news agency reported.
European and U.S. observers called the polls fraudulent -- and large protests were taking place in Kiev. "
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Yushchenko, addressing a crowd of about 10,000 supporters in Kiev's main Independence Square, urged them to set up tent camps in the capital. Many tents were already blocking traffic, The Associated Press reported.
"We will not leave this place until we win," Yushchenko said. "The people's will cannot be broken. People's votes cannot be broken.
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"There was certainly fraud, though this is difficult to quantify," a leading member of the OSCE delegation, Gert-Hinrich Ahrens, told CNN.
He said there had been incidents of violence and intimidation -- and in some areas 5 percent of voters had been added to the lists on voting day, many of them with certificates allowing them to vote away from their place of residence.
"This election did not meet a considerable number of international standards for democratic elections," mission leader Bruce George told AP.
"The abuse of state resources in favor of the prime minister continued, as well as an overwhelming media bias in his favor."
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Yushchenko's key ally, Yulia Tymoshenko, called for a general strike.
"Stop working, stop learning, make it all stop," she said.
CNN's Ryan Chilcote says that Yushchenko says he will call for an emergency session of parliament to look at the poll violations he alleges -- and for an anulment of results where those violations took place.
The opposition leader says he will continue with demonstrations until he is declared winner, Chilcote says.
The OSCE's Ahrens said that the opposition had the opportunity to go to Ukraine's Supreme Court go to hallenge results. "
Full Version: CNN: exit polls indicate elections were rigged
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E mail this article to every single news outlet you know. Exit polls are great indicators of fraudulent elections. They are considered credible ways to verify elections in every country but ours.
Where have they been for the last 3 weeks???? 
SO the morons report it happened in russia but not the USA!??!?!
No wonder Europe hates them.....
No wonder Europe hates them.....
Did anyone see a report on the situation in Ukraine on the evening network news tonight? I sure didn't. I wonder why not... 
maybe we should have had European observers too?
Yeah... this really gets my goat... and it ain't no pet goat either !! ... email going out..... MASSIVE EMAILS GOING OUT NOW!...
Purely unbelievable. I hate to say "hate" but I HATE this media. They really ought to be our target ... make Sinclair look like a test project. Man.!
... email going out..... MASSIVE EMAILS GOING OUT NOW!... Purely unbelievable. I hate to say "hate" but I HATE this media. They really ought to be our target ... make Sinclair look like a test project. Man.!
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US Threatens Ukraine Over Apparent ELECTION FRAUD
Exit polls show another winner
And more
Guess who's in Condi "to fire" list ?
We were told to fix Ukraine election, say police chiefs
Ukraine Senior police officers say they have been ordered to help rig the result of the Ukrainian presidential election
Exit polls show another winner
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US Threatens Punitive Steps Over Ukraine Election
The United States on Monday threatened to review its relationship with Ukraine and to take punitive steps if the Ukrainian government fails to investigate allegations of fraud and abuse in its presidential election
More than 100,000 Ukrainians poured into the streets of Kiev to protest [the election outcome]
Yanukovich led Yushchenko by 49.42 percent of the vote to 46.69 percent although an exit poll released immediately after polls closed on Sunday put Yushchenko in the lead by 54 to 43 percent
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jh...storyID=6888785
The United States on Monday threatened to review its relationship with Ukraine and to take punitive steps if the Ukrainian government fails to investigate allegations of fraud and abuse in its presidential election
More than 100,000 Ukrainians poured into the streets of Kiev to protest [the election outcome]
Yanukovich led Yushchenko by 49.42 percent of the vote to 46.69 percent although an exit poll released immediately after polls closed on Sunday put Yushchenko in the lead by 54 to 43 percent
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jh...storyID=6888785
And more
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The Bloomberg headline from google news
Ukraine Must Probe Presidential Election Fraud, U.S. Govt Says
These charges need to be thoroughly investigated and cleared up before the international community can have confidence that the results of the.. elections
reflect the will of the people,'' U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli saidUkraine Must Probe Presidential Election Fraud, U.S. Govt Says
These charges need to be thoroughly investigated and cleared up before the international community can have confidence that the results of the.. elections
Guess who's in Condi "to fire" list ?
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The Bloomberg headline from google news
Ukraine Must Probe Presidential Election Fraud, U.S. Govt Says"
Just take out a few key words from the article, however:
The U.S. government said must investigate charges of fraud in the Nov. 21 run-off presidential election that prompted more than half a million people to take to the streets to protest preliminary results. ``These charges need to be thoroughly investigated and cleared up before the international community can have confidence that the results of the elections reflect the will of the people,'' U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said yesterday, according to an e-mailed transcript....
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said polling didn't meet international standards and U.S. Senator Richard Lugar, monitoring the vote in the capital, , said the government helped rig the election....
``We call on the * authorities to curb additional abuse and fraud, to uphold its international commitments to democracy and human rights, and to act to ensure an outcome that reflects the will of the people,'' Ereli said, according to the transcript. ``Should, in the final analysis, this election prove to be fundamentally flawed and tarnished, we would certainly need to review our relations with the *.''
Which country are we talking about, again? (by kim in philly)
Ukraine Must Probe Presidential Election Fraud, U.S. Govt Says"
Just take out a few key words from the article, however:
The U.S. government said must investigate charges of fraud in the Nov. 21 run-off presidential election that prompted more than half a million people to take to the streets to protest preliminary results. ``These charges need to be thoroughly investigated and cleared up before the international community can have confidence that the results of the elections reflect the will of the people,'' U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said yesterday, according to an e-mailed transcript....
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said polling didn't meet international standards and U.S. Senator Richard Lugar, monitoring the vote in the capital, , said the government helped rig the election....
``We call on the * authorities to curb additional abuse and fraud, to uphold its international commitments to democracy and human rights, and to act to ensure an outcome that reflects the will of the people,'' Ereli said, according to the transcript. ``Should, in the final analysis, this election prove to be fundamentally flawed and tarnished, we would certainly need to review our relations with the *.''
Which country are we talking about, again? (by kim in philly)
We were told to fix Ukraine election, say police chiefs
Ukraine Senior police officers say they have been ordered to help rig the result of the Ukrainian presidential election
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The United States on Monday threatened to review its relationship with Ukraine and to take punitive steps if the Ukrainian government fails to investigate allegations of fraud and abuse in its presidential election.
Quick Psychology 101 crash course.
If a criminal has comitted a crime and is worried about getting caught, they will naturally speak out against that same exact crime should it appear in the news or in the spotlight of conversation.
In other words, Bush just made an "oops"....
Sheesh! This is getting more press than the US rigged polls.
Maybe we need to get the US news from the Ukraine?
Maybe we need to get the US news from the Ukraine?
QUOTE(PaineInTheArse @ Nov 22 2004, 09:47 PM)
Sheesh! This is getting more press than the US rigged polls.
Maybe we need to get the US news from the Ukraine?
Maybe we need to get the US news from the Ukraine?
Send all our disturbing news to the Ukrain and Russia!!!!
An eye for an eye or a voice for a voice! :o :o :o
the MAJOR difference between Ukranians and Americans is they got angry and hit the streets,we sat home and felt sorry for ourselves, then began blaming different factions.
QUOTE(underbear1 @ Nov 22 2004, 11:37 PM)
the MAJOR difference between Ukranians and Americans is they got angry and hit the streets,we sat home and felt sorry for ourselves, then began blaming different factions.
In fairness to Americans
They never had their Democracy, their Freedom and their future pulled out from under them by thieves. All those other countries had it in a not so distant history. They won't stand for it AGAIN.
A "virgin" America electorate still trusts that it's "boyfriend" Bush will act honorably in a car ride alone in the desert with no one around... Democracy "rape" victims know better...
extreme feeling of deja vu here.
strange that our government will investigate possible election fraud in the ukraine while ignoring the same thing right here at home. actually worse that ignoring, they are attempting to hide the facts here.
such hypocrisy......truly boggles the mind doesn't it?
strange that our government will investigate possible election fraud in the ukraine while ignoring the same thing right here at home. actually worse that ignoring, they are attempting to hide the facts here.
such hypocrisy......truly boggles the mind doesn't it?
QUOTE(savemefrombush @ Nov 22 2004, 07:44 PM)
maybe we should have had European observers too?
We did have European Observers. They said that our proccess was so confusing and they do not understand why there was no uniformity in it.
QUOTE(lawnorder @ Nov 23 2004, 03:29 AM)
In fairness to Americans
They never had their Democracy, their Freedom and their future pulled out from under them by thieves. All those other countries had it in a not so distant history. They won't stand for it AGAIN.
A "virgin" America electorate still trusts that it's "boyfriend" Bush will act honorably in a car ride alone in the desert with no one around... Democracy "rape" victims know better...
True,They never had their Democracy, their Freedom and their future pulled out from under them by thieves. All those other countries had it in a not so distant history. They won't stand for it AGAIN.
A "virgin" America electorate still trusts that it's "boyfriend" Bush will act honorably in a car ride alone in the desert with no one around... Democracy "rape" victims know better...
However, some of us just want a date, time and place for a mobilization effort. Not all of us has the time to organize, but I am sure many are willing to march towards Washington, Ohio or what not to protest this vote(fine, I am being way too idealistic or hopeful, but I am one of those).
I mean seriously, all they are basing the reasoning for the "rigged" election was the exit polling. It is the same here. ~pauses~ Isn't it a Republican(Richard Lugar) who basically complained about that in Ukraine? Use their words against them.
I read this and immediately thought about "Why wasn't our news covering our election?". But here they say nothing..... COWARDS!
I am still sorry to see Walter Cronkite go.
Though I really enjoy him even more now.
Though I really enjoy him even more now.
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 23 2004, 09:20 AM)
True,
However, some of us just want a date, time and place for a mobilization effort. Not all of us has the time to organize, but I am sure many are willing to march towards Washington, Ohio or what not to protest this vote(fine, I am being way too idealistic or hopeful, but I am one of those).
I mean seriously, all they are basing the reasoning for the "rigged" election was the exit polling. It is the same here. ~pauses~ Isn't it a Republican(Richard Lugar) who basically complained about that in Ukraine? Use their words against them.
However, some of us just want a date, time and place for a mobilization effort. Not all of us has the time to organize, but I am sure many are willing to march towards Washington, Ohio or what not to protest this vote(fine, I am being way too idealistic or hopeful, but I am one of those).
I mean seriously, all they are basing the reasoning for the "rigged" election was the exit polling. It is the same here. ~pauses~ Isn't it a Republican(Richard Lugar) who basically complained about that in Ukraine? Use their words against them.
I agree! Tell me when and where! Something horrible happened that night, but we are letting them get away with it. Let's bring back the protests of the 60's & 70's. We need a leader to start the revolution!
QUOTE(jcrew @ Nov 23 2004, 09:53 AM)
I agree! Tell me when and where! Something horrible happened that night, but we are letting them get away with it. Let's bring back the protests of the 60's & 70's. We need a leader to start the revolution!
You may not need to wait a whole lot longer.
The natives are getting restless...
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