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Magmak1
What are the parellels between the WTC events et al and
the events of the Triangle Factory Fire?

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/
tomhye
Both involved fires in NYC where people died.
graham4anything
Locked doors and people had no escape

Coverups

Nobody was really found guilty

"Twenty-three individual civil suits were brought against the owners of the Asch building. On March 11, 1913, three years after the fire, Harris and Blanck settled. They paid 75 dollars per life lost."
jeffmoskin
A better question is, what are the parallels between 9/11 and the REICHSTAG FIRE?

ans: both led to a fascist government.
graham4anything
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Oct 12 2006, 08:16 PM)
A better question is, what are the parallels between 9/11 and the REICHSTAG FIRE?

ans: both led to a fascist government.
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this I get.

I don't get what cnnection there is to the other fire? Magmak help please
kindergarten teacher
The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in New York City on March 25, 1911, was a major industrial disaster, causing the death of 146 garment workers who either died in the fire or jumped to their deaths. The fire led to legislation requiring improved factory safety standards and helped spur the growth of the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union, which fought for better working conditions for sweatshop workers in that industry.
graham4anything
I know all about the triangle fire, but what is the 9-11 connection?
kindergarten teacher
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 13 2006, 12:57 AM)
I know all about the triangle fire, but what is the 9-11 connection?
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Because a lot of people jumped to their deaths and both happened in NYC. They were WOMEN.

KT
cutecat
I am with graham. What is the connection. One is a world event as international banks were in Twin Towers.
The 1911 incident was local.

With this argument of similarity I would be required to support the Jihad as I support the independence of Ireland and American revolution mmmmmmmm.
I just thought of Sandinista rebels. ( Didn't Reagan sale arms to these rebels?)
cutecat
OK I went to topic stream the end of us and now see the relationship sited. Not sure at this point but am reserving resolution.
graham4anything
QUOTE(cutecat @ Oct 13 2006, 03:23 PM)
OK I went to topic stream the end of us and now see the relationship sited. Not sure at this point but am reserving resolution.
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What do you mean end of us?(I feel stupid here, that I am missing something obvious)
kindergarten teacher
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Oct 12 2006, 11:21 AM)
What are the parellels between the WTC events et al and
the events of the Triangle Factory Fire?

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/
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Magmak1 did you forget your topic that you started here? If you see this post I would appreciate some kind of hint. I'm still wondering what kinds of parallels you meant...

BTW, you and I were born the same year and same month.

KT huggles.gif
Magmak1
Well, I haven't studied the question in depth. The question was originally posed by someone whose depth of insight (ability to see patterns in depth over time) is remarkable. I think the some of the answers might be found in the parallels that pertain to the ability of people to escape: in one case, locked doors, and in another, an announcement that all was safe and people should stay put. Additionally, most WTC deaths occurred among those who worked above the impact zone. (If the terrorists wished to maximize death, why didn't they target the 30th or 40th floors?)

Quotes from the Triangle Fire web site:
"The tragedy still dwells in the collective memory of the nation... "

"The images of death were seared deeply in their mind's eyes."

"In the weeks that followed, the grieving city i... reeled in numbed grief at the atrocity that could have been averted with a few precautions."

"Outraged cries calling for action ... could be heard from every quarter..."

Other answers might be found in the way the court cases and inquiries were handled ( "Blame shifted..." building inspectors were called in... ), and the fact that significant long-term preventive or social change did not emanate from them. Sweatshops exist throughout the world and even in the US today, and fire safety issues related to emergeny egress plagued the country for a long time (Coconut Grove and a fire in Kentucky across the Ohio River from Cincicnnatti come to mind). Both the process and the publicity were managed so as to divert attention and inquiry, and there is a question as to whether justice was served.

That's what I can see at a quick glance...

I'm sure there's more.

Why don't you register over here
( http://www.solariactionnetwork.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=47 )
and ask Catherine Austin Fitts for an explanation as to what she meant when she said "the design of 9/11 appears to draw on the success of the Triangle Fire".
graham4anything
Everyone in the WTC would have evacuated had the rear doors not been blocked

There was time for everyone to get downstairs.

They also foolishly waited on the roof for a helicopter that never came.

Had they all gone down, they would have lived.

Had the firemen not rushed to what they felt was an "ordinary" highrise
fire that could be controlled (and not an implosion), they too would
have survived.

Bush must have known somehow that killing firemen would bring more
tears and make for a better story

Did the triangle fire kill alot of firemen?
kindergarten teacher
Thanks magmak1 for the website. I got the answer. I am going to sign out of this topic now as it is too depressing.

KT Sob.gif
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