a request that you add an animal rights subforum

The GOP is the party of the factory farm, the canned hunt,
the trapping of animals in national parks,
etc. President Kerry has been given a 100% rating by many national
animal right groups.. because of his legislative support.
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The problem is that many animal rights groups are not all equal and the fact that HSUS backed Kerry as a breeder scares me. This group is headed by a man who dosen't believe in domesticated animals. Now does everyone want to not have pets????

If you believe that hogwash, you're not a responsible breeder then, are you?

Great Idea--Orion Magazine's recent article on the beef industry is horrifying. Thanks for requesting the forum be added.

I forgot to mention, I think it's a great idea too! Though you may want to title the forum Animal Protection. Otherwise, you have the anti-AR faction in here calling us terrorists

The current President of HSUS Wayne Pacelle said"We have no ehtical obligation to preserve the different breeds of Livestock produced through selective breeding....One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding".
So call it hogwash if you want but, this is a polar opposite from what I believe. This is not animal protection

I would like to know what are your qulifications of a responsible breeder?

First one being, that I depend on responsible breeders to define themselves and help educate the public!

Can you source the Pacelle quote? It seems to be out of context? I'd like to read the entire statement, dated and linked, thanks!

Otherwise:

From HSUS, http://www.hsus.org/ace/11758
"How to find a good dog breeder"

Also,
The mission of The Humane Society of the United States is to create a humane and sustainable world for all animals, including people, through education, advocacy, and the promotion of respect and compassion.

I'm all for it! I used to be involved in dog rescue, had to stop because the cruelty involved was getting to me. After what I learned and saw, I strongly believe animal abuse should be a felony! One woman who tried to fight the puppy millers had men come to her house at night and threatened her with a gun! And some of these men were local sheriffs! The puppy millers pay off law-enforcement in the rural areas.

Don't ever buy from a pet store. Most of those animals are from the unscrupulous, disgusting "puppy mills". You would not believe how they mistreat these poor dogs. Only about 50% of the puppies make it to the pet stores, and those that do survive have many, many health problems.

Either rescue a dog from a shelter, or if you want to show your dog, make sure you get involved with the AKC and reputable breeders before you do anything. There are breed rescue groups all over the web too.

Forgot to add these links to help people learn about these horrors. These are just a few examples.

http://www.puppymillrescue.com/

http://www.stoppuppymills.org/

http://www.critterhaven.org/puppy_mills.htm

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/

The quote was from the UKC Bloodlines Sept. 2004 isue in the legislative column. The article was about history of HSUS and then goes on about the past ten yrs and Mr. Pacelle becoming president.

I will check out the link about breeders. Personally I spend alot of time educating the public and potential owners of my breed, I do not sell dogs to be bred by others and I turn away more people that are not suited to my breed all the time. I require puppy buyers to return a dog to me at anytime in it's life if they can not keep in for whatever reason. All pups are microchipped. H3alth clearances, etc. Buyers are required to take their pups through a minimum of 2 obedience classes. I also rescue my breed if they are found in a shelter within 100 miles from me.

That is the definition of myself as a breeder.

Sorry I couldn't provide you with a link.

Dear Fireside, Kerry has a 100% legislative endorsement from
many groups.. not just HSUS

WALMART in order to expand its 40 stores in China is considering
selling live turtle meat.

NPR in a story about the black heart disease rate 2 l/2 times that of whites
did not mention NPR's own McDonald's stock.. 200 million dollars
worth
http://www.mcspotlight.org http://www.mccruelty.com

SLAUGHTERHOUSE DOMINATED US GOVT
has put sanctions on EU for not importing its hormone soaked animal flesh.
The EU has responded by taking the case to the WTO.
http://www.madcowboy.com
http://www.notmilk.com

All I could find was a subscription form for UKC Bloodlines. Methinks it's a professional breeders journal of some sort? Therefore, I would assume it wouldn't be a good source of discussing HSUS or any other animal protection group for that matter.

Do you have the name of person who wrote the article?

OMG - LIVE TURTLE MEAT!!!! I hate Walmart!

At least South Florida does one thing right, turtles are considered an endangered species. They only breed once or twice a year, and less than 10% make it across the beaches into the oceans. The lights are turned off during their breeding season, so they can make it to the ocean. You get caught harming the turtles, it's a BIG fine.

Do you have a link to the Walmart live turtle meat story? If so please post it and I'll send it to my local papers, like the Sun Sentinel and the Palm Beach Post. If more people knew about this story, maybe they would not shop at Walmart.

A few good animal rights/protection links.

Doris Day does alot with promoting legislation to protect animals. Has online petitions and letters you can sign and send to your legislators:

http://www.ddal.org/

Of course, we have all heard about the ASPCA in NYC. They have tons of good information, including legal, education, corporate partners list, etc. They also have a hotline for Animal Poison Control Center.

http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer

Don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that PETA is on a terrorist list!

Can anyone confirm that?

I know there have been front groups for the animal industries trying to link them to eco-terrorism because they donated some funds to an arrested activist's legal fund several years ago. It's been all blown out of proportion over the years, and used in anti-Peta campaigns.

Also, the Sportsman's Alliance has sponsered legislation in several states to have anyone who signs a petition, makes a donation to animal rights groups or participates in peaceful demonstrations, labeled terrorists. I don't think it's gotten off the table yet in any state, thank goodness!

It looks like you got your wish!

Geez....I'm probably on a list someplace because I give money to the ASPCA and DDAL & have signed petitions!

thank you!