WHY DO NONHUNTERS LIVE LONGER THAN HUNTERS?

ACCIDENTS

1 Some hunters kill themselves tripping over a fence.

2 Some fall out of their tree stands.

3 One was killed by his dog's stepping on the trigger

4 Some are shot by other hunters accidentally, during
the drunken brawls that sometimes accompany groups of
men cavorting in the woods or by hunters with declining
vision or neophytes.

5 Some die of freezing or of drowning

MURDER

1 Some are murdered.. and the death is termed 'accidental'
(e.g. William Sullivan, number 3 man at the FBI, shot
in front of his house by a NJ state trooper)

HEALTH

1 Some die of food poisoning from venison, murdered rabbit flesh
etc.

2 Some die of mad deer, mad elk or mad bird disease
http://www.maddeer.org http://www.madcowboy.com

3 Some die of environmental toxins concentrated in the flesh
of animals who are at the top of the land food chain.
Polychlorinated biphenols dumped by GE, mercury from
the TVA, First Energy, and other coal users, arsenic, chromium,
and tens of thousands of other toxins concentrate in animal
muscle cells.

4 Nonhunters have fewer heart attacks.. are more able
to absorb stress.

GOD'S LAW

It is God's law that violence returns to the violent and to
their political pawns. God's mercy overrides law at times.

What troubles many is the seeming innocent victims
of hunters. Besides the animals are the children at play
in backyards.. killed by stray shots or arrows.


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STOP NEW YORK STATE BEAR SLAUGHTER

PATAKI: MAMMAL MURDERER

Governor Pataki of New York like Republican governors Perry of Texas,
both Bushes, Taft of Ohio, Keating when governor of OK and other
Republican governors, has built his minority power base by pandering
to the NRA, 'big game' hunters, and the serial pleasure killers of
animals.

BROKEN CONTRACT RE "FOREVER WILD"

He in particular has broken a contract made by the people of New York
to keep the Adirondack parks 'forever wild' Bears moved into the
century old sanctuary, but now he and his 'environmental
conservation' department are bragging about the thousands of bears
murdered. In addition, the state is not enforcing the illegal murder
of mammals in violation of the state's own weak legal structure
either within the Adirondack parks or elsewhere in the state.

MOVING IN HUNTERS... TO STATE AGENCIES

Respecters of animals and the environment have been moved out of
state agencies, from the first days of his administration.

VETOING BILL TO BAN CANNED HUNTS

Pataki has vetoed a ban on hunts which are canned (captive animals
confined behind chain link fences as drunken trophy seekers blast
away).

THEODORE ROOSEVELT'S TEDDY BEAR

One of Pataki's predecessors was Theodore Roosevelt whose teddy bears
were named after his lateblooming compassion for the cubs he had just
orphaned.

WORLDWIDE OPPOSITION TO MARYLAND BEAR HUNTING HAS CAUSED ITS
CANCELLATION

Because of worldwide opposition, the state of Maryland cancelled its
renewal of bearhunting after 20 of the 600 scheduled for slaughter
were murdered.

CHINESE GOVERNMENT'S HANDS

There is back door illegal trade with Chinese firms which sell bear
body parts as aphrodisiacs. This is also in keeping with the
Republican policy of outsourcing America to China through Walmart,
Target etc.

BOYCOTTING THE STATE

Please inform the New York tourism bureau that mammal murder is not
good for the state's economics.
http://www.iloveny.com/info_center/contact_us.asp

OTHER SERIAL KILLERS IN REPUBLICAN POWER CIRCLES

Pataki thinks he has the support of canned hunt's Cheney who has
killed as many as 70 cageraised pheasants in one day, of canned
hunt's Antonin Scalia who enjoys sitting in a duck blind dispatching
frightened birds 'flushed' out, of Senator Rick Cornyn of Texas,
Cheney crony, and both father and son Bush, who have been awarded by
the Safari Club, rich psychopaths.

CORPORATE MEDIA PAWNS OF PLUTOCRAT PSYCHOPATHS


PBS has been broadcasting 1 sided programs beating the drums for the
murder of grizzlies in national parks and in Wyoming and other
states. Cannon Copiers was the corporate sponsor. In addition, PBS
has been falsifying the eating habits of bears, who prefer
blueberries to blood. EMBASSY http://www.embassy.org/embassies Ask
Chinese embassy to ban the murder of bears in its own 'bear farms'
and to ban the importation of bear body parts.

PLEASE ASK ATTORNEY GENERAL SPITZER TO INVESTIGATE LACK OF
ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING LAWS

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/complain...omp_enviro.html (and please
also ask him to end his support for state execution)

RECENT VICTORIES PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAVE WROUGHT FOR ANIMALS

The UK has banned the centuries old practice of fox hunting
described by Oscar Wilde as the 'unspeakable in full pursuit
of the inedible'.

Barcelona has banned bullfights. Now Madrid, Spain, and
Mexico must follow.
http://www.embassy.org/embassies

Recalcitrant Canada still slaughtering seals
http://www.petitiononline.com/seal
http://www.embassy.org/embassies


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NEW YORK HUMAN POLITICS

HUMANS THEFT Pataki and
Giuliani have attempted to raid the WTC monies for themselves.

ELECTORAL FRAUD He cooperated with Michael Bloomberg in the theft of
the NY mayor's race.. in which 60,000 ballots 'disappeared' and in
which Bloomberg used his illgotten billions to spend more per person
on ads and bribery than any other New York politician ever.

STATE SANCTIONED MURDER Worst, he supports state sanctioned murder of
inmates called 'capital punishment'.
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/abolish.html Thank You God for
removing now all killing thieving Republicans from economic and
political power. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#foia

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Mongers Of The Skins of Murdered Animals

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EMAIL ACTION FOR ANIMALS 1. MONGERS OF THE SKINS OF MURDERED ANIMALS
http://www.endtrap.org This poor ermine is suffering as are those who
are caught as their tongues freeze solid to a greased trap. These are
the animals with white fur with the little black marks..
http://www.caft.org.uk/factsheets/trapping.html ENDTRAP: Vermonters
for Banning Leghold Traps PO Box 112 ~ Colchester, Vermont 05446 ~
802-864-0663 ~ Email a. SHERATON BOYCOTT Please Boycott Sheraton
Until Fur Promotion Stops The animal rights community worldwide is
asking you to boycott Sheraton until the hotel chain stops individual
franchisee promotion of fur. The Sheraton Clarion in Ohio is
advertising Avalon Furs from Indianapolis and Chicago. Fur is perhaps
the most brutally obtained clothing on earth.
http://www.starwood.com/sheraton/contact/email.html
http://www.worldanimalnet.org 8100 links 20,000 groups Salem
Communications affiliates WCCD of Cleveland and WHLO, a Northeast
Ohio radio station, are advertising the bloody product. Please email
this to office@w... using the email function at the beginning of this
thread b. SALEM COMMUNICATIONS: The broadcasting group which promotes
war fur and electoral vote theft and is cooperating with Sheraton
WCCD 1000 AM WHLO 640 AM Cleveland 4 Summit Park Drive Suite 150
Independence, OH 44131 (216)901-0939 (in Cleveland) (888)285-9640
(outside Cleveland) Email: office@w... Salem Communications NE Ohio
Job Board EEO Public File Reports ------------------------------------
c. NY Times promotes fur in its Sunday editions and 'fashion'
supplements. d. gap.com the Gap is advertising products made from the
slaughter of furbearing animals e. Ambercrombie and Fitch has
mooseheads in many stores, when last we investigated. 2 Make CNN back
down HamptonInn.com 1 800 HAMPTON, Royal Bank of Scotland,
http://www.rbos.co.uk/ Ditech http://www.ditech.com and others are
sponsors for CNN-s broadcast of Bush speeches ... free Bush
commercials.. masked as news. http://www.ditech.com Please give them
feedback 3 CITY OF TWINSBURG OHIO BOW AND ARROW HUNTERS If you
believe that deer should be spayed or relocated or that habitat
should be created for them rather than their being slaughtered ..
please contact http://www.twinsburg.oh.us/ContactInformation.html The
City of Twinsburg is allowing bow and arrow hunters to kill the deer.
Cleveland Amory said sometimes 12 arrows will be in a wounded deer
who struggles for months. 4 SINCLAIR BOYCOTT
http://www.boycottsbg.com 5 KFC BOYCOTT http://www.kfccruelty.com 6
WALMART BOYCOTT http://www.ufcw.org (see action file)
http://groups.msn.com/votefraudusa/wm.msnw 7 FOX SPONSOR BOYCOTT
Holiday Inn: ask them to stop advertising obesity cholesterol donuts
in their advertising. res@h... Please ask if they have joined Motel 6
in welcoming pets Dell, Gateway, Ditech, Cargill, Oxiclean..
underwriting Larry King's promotion of the eating of living insects
on CNN. Barnes and Noble.. promoting the attack book on Kerry as well
as deforesting the planet http://www.barnesandnoble.com by a former
law clerk to serial killer Rehnquist... Barnes and Nobel rudely
ejected a 78 year old protester Home Depot Please stop selling
genocidal mouse traps http://www.homedepot.com contact link in small
print at bottom of page Office Max, owned by Boise Cascade, one of
the nation's biggest old tree killers. Brownberry Bread: has
diglycerides which may be of animal origin as well as stearyl
compounds McDonald's.. those travelers without options want a
veganburger http://www.mccruelty.com http://www.mcspotlight.org KFC
stop the cruelty http://www.kfccruelty.com Time Warner promoting war,
blackballing Muslim commentators, profiting from alcohol and flesh
ads http://www.cnn.com/feedback __________________ -------------------
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http://kerry.senate.gov http://www.indyvoter.org
http://www.blackboxvoting.org http://indymedia.org


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UPDATE:
The Laotian alleged to have killed the 6 white Wisconsin hunters
(1 woman who would be alive had she not tried to
copy the brutality of men)
said they fired at him.. both bullets and racist epithets
Hunter Kills 5 Other Hunters, Wounds 3

Hunting dispute leaves 5 dead, 3 seriously injured

BY KEVIN HARTER AND TOM MAJESKI
Knight Ridder Newspapers

ST. PAUL, Minn. - (KRT) - Five people were fatally shot and three
others seriously wounded around noon Sunday by a deer hunter from St.
Paul after he was told to leave a deer stand on private land near
Birchwood, a small community in northwest Wisconsin, Sawyer County
authorities said.

The suspect, Chai Vang, was arrested about 5 p.m. local time, Sawyer
County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said.

When Vang was arrested, he was carrying a high-powered SKS assault
rifle and was out of ammunition, Zeigle said.

"Information is sketchy at this time," Zeigle said Sunday
evening. "Many of the people we need to talk to are in the operating
room."

One of the fatalities was female, authorities said.

The three injured hunters were taken to Lakeview Medical Center in
Rice Lake. One of the injured was then airlifted to St. Joseph's
Hospital in Marshfield.

Family members identified the two victims being treated at Lakeview
Medical Center as Dennis Drew and Lauren Hesebeck. They said Drew had
been shot in the abdomen and Hesebeck had been shot in the arm. Drew
was in serious condition and Hesebeck was in fair condition.

A spokeswoman at the Marshfield hospital said Sunday evening that the
adult male shooting victim brought there had not been taken to
surgery and that she didn't yet have a condition report.

The shooting occurred near a deer shack on heavily wooded land about
four miles east of Birchwood. The shack sits about a half-mile off
Deer Lake Road just across from Deer Lake in the Township of Meteor
in southwestern Sawyer County.

Described as prime deer hunting territory, the rolling land is
covered with hardwoods, including poplar and birch.

Zeigle said two members of the hunting party were returning to their
shack about noon when they spotted a hunter sitting in one of their
deer stands. They told him that he was on private property and that
he needed to leave.

Hunters must ask permission to hunt on private property. Authorities
say trespassing is one of the most frequent violations during the
deer season.

The trespasser was wearing camouflage except for an orange vest and
the large deer hunting number that hunters are required to wear in
Wisconsin.

Zeigle said a confrontation erupted and the man opened fire with his
assault rifle.

One of the injured hunters used his walkie-talkie to alert his
companions in the hunting shack that he had been shot, Zeigle said.
When the other hunters emerged from the shack, the shooter began
firing at them as well, he said.

In the meantime, one of the victims jotted down the deer hunting
number the shooter was wearing.

Zeigle said members of the hunting party may have returned fire, "but
this has not been confirmed."

The injured hunters tried to call for help, but there is no cell
phone reception in this area of Wisconsin, so the men loaded one of
the injured hunters into a pickup and drove to Ed's Pit Stop on
Wisconsin 48 in Birchwood. They were met there by an ambulance, which
transported the injured hunter to the Rice Lake hospital.

The number the injured hunter jotted down was then relayed to the
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, which quickly identified
the suspect as Vang, Zeigle said.

Authorities from Sawyer and surrounding counties began blocking off
roads and searching the woods. Expecting that the search would last
into the night, they called in K-9 units and helicopters equipped
with infrared equipment.

In the meantime, Vang, who apparently had gotten lost in the woods,
encountered two deer hunters, and they guided him to a nearby road.
Once he was on the road, a nearby DNR officer spotted the number on
Vang's back and arrested him without incident.

Vang is being held in the Sawyer County Jail.

The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources sold nearly 640,000
deer licenses for this year's firearms deer season, which opened on
Saturday. The season runs through Nov. 28. Minnesota accounts for the
largest number of nonresident deer hunters in Wisconsin. This year,
15,374 firearms licenses were sold to Minnesota residents.

Wisconsin often is among the top five nationally in deer killed by
hunters. The state is also among the top five nationally in number of
deer hunters.

Semiautomatic rifles are legal and quite popular. Nearly all guns
used in deer hunting are sporting arms. It's not common for hunters
to use assault-style rifles because they're not often very accurate.

Local hunters were taken aback by the slayings.

"I'm shocked. Stuff like that doesn't happen in this area," said
Birchwood hunter Dusty Bosteder.

Still, he did say hunters are protective of their favorite spots.

"Around this country," he said, "it has always been territorial."

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(Knight Ridder Newspapers correspondents Shannon Prather, Alex
Friedrich, Chris Niskanen and Tim Nelson contributed to this report.)

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L 2004, St. Paul Pioneer Press (St. Paul, Minn.).

Visit the World Wide Web site of the Pioneer Press at
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/

Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.


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BOWHUNTER IMPALES WIFE

Bowhunter Harry Webber, 52, was charged with murder on July 23 in Oak
Park, Illinois, for allegedly impaling his common-law wife,
Guadalupe, with two yard-long arrows in front of three of their four
children, ages 10 to 15, and a 15-year-old friend.

(US News reported that bowhunters have the highest
incidence of injury without death to animals, who die
slowly. As high as 50% of bowhunters injure animals without
killing them... in the eye, the gonads and elsewhere)


BOWHUNTERS' VICTIMS ARE MORE OFTEN NOT KILLED
BUT LEFT TO DIE LINGERING DEATHS IMPALED BY ARROWS IN THE EYE,
GONADS ETC.
(US News 1990)
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NPR and the NY Times have been promoting the slaughter
and consumption of turkeys over our air waves and
in pages printed on God's trees


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The government of Canada besides
allowing the bludgeoning of baby seals,
the brutal Calgary Stampede rodeo,
the destruction of habitat by its lumber industry,
promoting the murder of cows for ingestion by humans,

is allowing trophy hunters to murder grizzly bears in
British Columbia.


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COLORADO In the 1960s Colorado averaged nine hunting fatalities per
year and 25 non-fatal accidents. In the 1990s though, hunting
accidents dropped to 1.3 fatalities and 11 non-fatal accidents
annually. (because the number of hunters is declining both in
percentage and actuality)
http://wildlife.state.co.us


Hunting deaths should be warning to lawmakers about easing gun laws

MICHIGAN 2000
By Pete Waldmeir / The Detroit News

Six people were killed and a dozen more were injured in Michigan
during the first 15 days of this year's firearm deer hunting season,
according to an official tally.
One victim was a guy who just happened to be out for a walk in the
woods on opening day and caught an errant bullet. At least one of the
dead was a hunter mistaken for a deer by another hunter.
According to authorities, two hunters died from self-inflicted
gunshot wounds while carting their firearms up to platforms in trees,
where they would have a wider field of fire in seeking prey.


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1200 hunting related deaths in 1999

Four Accidental Hunting Deaths Reported in Idaho Since the Beginning
of this Year's Season
By Darlene Deacon


Idaho Falls -
Although reports say the annual number of hunting accident deaths are
declining, Idaho has seen four since the beginning of this year's
hunting season. The number of deaths in North America were still near
the 1200 mark in 1999. Many states have laws requiring hunters to
wear the florescent orange, but Idaho only recommends it.

But, does wearing hunter safety orange save lives? States enforcing
the law think so, but many hunters don't like to wear the bright
color thinking it will scare-off game.

John Cowden, a thirty-year veteran with the Bonneville Sheriff's
office who now works at "Sportsman's Warehouse in Idaho Falls, says
he's is in favor of the loud colored clothing.

"I believe that if people wear hunter orange, it helps the other
hunter identify them as a non-target and it also helps the other
hunter identify you as a non-target"

It is a choice, but I spoke to several people today who either know
of someone who was accidentally shot, or had a near miss of their
own. None of them would speak on camera.

But one thing is for sure, the bright colors are hard to miss in the
woods and there are plenty of options as Cowden explains.

"It is reversible if you don't want to wear the orange all the time,
you can turn to the darker color, but you do have a nice orange when
you want to use it to hunt with."

Another sales associate at the Sportsman's Warehouse, Rob Ramsey, has
another option.

"If they don't want to wear a blaze vest, you know, or they don't
want to wear a shirt or a hat or something, they can use this..
flagging tape. You know, tape it around their hat or around their
arm."

Or maybe you'd like something with a little more coverage, but less
cumbersome than a thick vest. There's a variety of hats or as Cowden
suggests..

"The little shooters safety vest.Very inexpensive, but very effective
and really, everybody should have one of these. You can put it away
really easy when you're not using it. When you need it, take it out
and put it on."

And maybe most importantly, is gun safety and education. Cowden says
Sportsman's Warehouse holds classes.

"NRA classes are offered periodically.We do post notices in plenty of
time and tell the cost, when they're available and they are NRA
sanctioned.These are trained instructors.We encourage everyone to get
involved in these, men, women and children."

Many bird hunters wear camouflage, but when big-game hunting season
is in the mix, the danger increases. Bow hunting is not without
hazard either, but the statistics are very low. Newer and more
powerful bows must be handled with extreme care. Always think safety
first, you want to be there to enjoy your game.



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[FONT=Geneva][I]From NBC's national news last night, it seems that hunters will be able to reduce the amount of "accidental" shooting of other humans by logging on and killing animals solely with the use of their computer mouse. I've always thought of man hunting animals with guns and bows/arrows as being a fairly cowardly act, but sitting behind a computer screen and hunting them by the click of a computer mouse is an all-time low, in my opinion. This is canned hunting to an extreme, and canned hunting needs to be outlawed.

JJswans, editor
Animal Rights Online
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1395/

Wild game is better for you than supermarket meat. Do you have any sources to back up your extreme claims about toxins? I will wager that if you analyze my deer steak from northern Minnesota against a supermarket steak you will find far fewer toxins.

And Kung Pao grouse is delicious!

Actually!...I prefered Southern Minnesota Whitetail over it's Northern brothers.

I think we're being Freeped in this forum.

Just because I have a different opinion makes me a "freeper"? I have a variety of opinions on different subjects, from moderate to liberal to libretarian and I resent being pigeonholed into some category. I voted for Kerry, I believe in science, I believe in separation of church and state, I believe in protecting the environment, and I am also a fisherman and a hunter. I could go on and on, but to imply that just because I am a hunter that I am some kind of conservative redneck is insulting.

I will admit the "Kung Pao grouse" comment was a little over the top, but hey lighten up

How do ya figure??

I guess if we disagree on a subject that we are just trolls or freepers.

Originally a slang term for a member of Free Republic; but also refers to anyone (or one, in general) of right-wing or Republican political stance.

So the facts that some people believe that hunting helps control overpopulation means we are just wrong?

Have you ever seen a deer starve to death due to overpopulation?

Actually, out here in West Texas, I have seen years with quite a lot of starving deer. Average rainfall is about 17" annual, but follow a good green pasture year with a dry one, and the wet year's bumper crop starves in droves. Then, just to add some excitement, the deer come out of the browned out pastures and graze along the highway right of way they usually avoid, making for a huge increase of night time collisions with passing cars. A good friend of mine damn near died and will limp for the rest of his life after one such accident coming home from Austin.

The top of the food chain predators that once ate the surplus are long gone. Hunting is replacement function. We just had the a record rain year, the season has already been extended with emphasis on taking breeding does rather than trophy bucks, and that may not reduce population by enough if we go back to another dry year.

I see nothing wrong, philosophically or ecologically, with controlled hunting. In case nobody noticed, WE are now the top of the food chain predator. Before the days of Wildlife Commissions or deer rifles, the first humans to cross from Siberia hunted several species of large animal prey to extinction with nothing more than wooden spears, pit traps, and hunger. Seen a Wooly Mammoth lately? Number of legally hunted species in danger of extinction in North Amerca now: ZERO.

I personally have no use for the "canned" hunt, but since the prey however helpless is non-native to begin with such hunts are an ecological cipher whatever one's personal opinion of the alleged "sport" may be.

Then i guess im freeping to, I perfer Tennessee/kentucky Whitetail, especially made into a stroganoff.