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Acebass
Before heeding the voices of false prophets on the far right, Christians would do well to recall the warning of Jesus himself:

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

Editorial from Louisville Courier Journal
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/edi...s1125-6470.html
jeffmoskin
Oh, really. How about this quote -


“This is an impressive crowd -- the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite -- I call you my base.” -- George W. Bush
Acebass
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Nov 25 2004, 09:58 AM)
Oh, really. How about this quote -
“This is an impressive crowd -- the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite -- I call you my base.” -- George W. Bush
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Did you read the edotorial?
gmanders777
`My pastor kept asking us to pray for George Bush to win," a Georgia woman told me last week, "and most folks seemed to go along with it. So I just kept quiet and secretly prayed for the other side."

She's not alone. A majority of frequent churchgoers may have voted for President Bush (if surveys are right), but a large minority voted for Sen. John Kerry. Not all Christians — not even all evangelicals — are born-again Republicans.

With government shekels come government shackles. Not only do churches risk losing their autonomy; they risk losing their prophetic voice. A church compromised by partisan politics and dependent on government funds can no longer distance itself from the culture and can no longer call the government to account for its failures.
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I am glad this person had free will to pray for Kerry!


Also government giving money to chruches for faith based give aways is the first

road into taking away the tax exempt status and creating one world order


"Those who seek power by riding the back of the tiger end up inside."

Acebass
QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 25 2004, 10:30 AM)
`My pastor kept asking us to pray for George Bush to win," a Georgia woman told me last week, "and most folks seemed to go along with it. So I just kept quiet and secretly prayed for the other side."

She's not alone. A majority of frequent churchgoers may have voted for President Bush (if surveys are right), but a large minority voted for Sen. John Kerry. Not all Christians — not even all evangelicals — are born-again Republicans.

With government shekels come government shackles. Not only do churches risk losing their autonomy; they risk losing their prophetic voice. A church compromised by partisan politics and dependent on government funds can no longer distance itself from the culture and can no longer call the government to account for its failures.
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I am glad this person had free will to pray for Kerry!
Also government giving money to chruches for faith based give aways is the first

road into taking away the tax exempt status and creating one world order


"Those who seek power by riding the back of the tiger end up inside."


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Yet they follow with blind loyalty thats whats so disturbing.
so angry I could spit
Blind faith requires no questions, in the minds of those who practice with blind faith (and their leaders) the only real question raised when a follower asks for more information is the question about the follower's faith. This is increasingly applied to both the religious and political realms. In an arena where blind faith is required questions are seen as challenges: questions about doctrine only come from someone who is unfaithful; questions about policy come only from the unpatriotic.
Acebass
QUOTE(so angry I could spit @ Nov 26 2004, 08:39 AM)
Blind faith requires no questions, in the minds of those who practice with blind faith (and their leaders) the only real question raised when a follower asks for more information is the question about the follower's faith.  This is increasingly applied to both the religious and political realms.  In an arena where blind faith is required questions are seen as challenges: questions about doctrine only come from someone who is unfaithful; questions about policy come only from the unpatriotic.
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It's this ability to turn their weakness around to somehow put blame on the accuser. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read " Protect America Vote Republican". I was so enraged, how could another American accuse me, a veteran and a Democrat, of somehow being against America. We believed this Prsident when he knew he was lying to us. The aluminum tubes he refered to as being part of Iraqs nuclear program were a lie, he knew it , but to guestion it, as you say, brings suspicion on yourself. It's really remarkable the comparison to pre WWll Germany and America today. I fear this unbridled patriatism, and lack of answers to resonable questions will be our downfall.
winston smith
QUOTE(Acebass @ Nov 25 2004, 06:51 AM)
Before heeding the voices of false prophets on the far right, Christians would do well to recall the warning of Jesus himself:

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

Editorial from Louisville Courier Journal
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/edi...s1125-6470.html
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Great commentary- could be the foundation of a great discussion.
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