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Frenchy
PLEASE READ:

This is a bill worth supporting, IMO. Call your congressman and ask for his/hers support.

H.R. 73: Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2007
cutecat
QUOTE(Frenchy @ Jan 22 2007, 08:49 PM) *
PLEASE READ:

This is a bill worth supporting, IMO. Call your congressman and ask for his/hers support.

H.R. 73: Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2007



NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pie
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110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008)
H.R. 73: Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2007
HR 73 IH

110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 73
To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 4, 2007

Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL
To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds the following:

(1) Police cannot protect, and are not legally liable for failing to protect, individual citizens, as evidenced by the following:

(A) The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: `[C]ourts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.'.

B- Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities.

© The United States Department of Justice found that, in 1989, there were 168,881 crimes of violence for which police had not responded within 1 hour.

(2) Citizens frequently must use firearms to defend themselves, as evidenced by the following:

(A) Every year, more than 2,400,000 people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals--or more than 6,500 people a day. This means that, each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

B- Of the 2,400,000 self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

© Of the 2,400,000 times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, 92 percent merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, does a citizen kill or wound his or her attacker.

(3) Law-abiding citizens, seeking only to provide for their families' defense, are routinely prosecuted for brandishing or using a firearm in self-defense. For example:

(A) In 1986, Don Bennett of Oak Park, Illinois, was shot at by 2 men who had just stolen $1,200 in cash and jewelry from his suburban Chicago service station. The police arrested Bennett for violating Oak Park's handgun ban. The police never caught the actual criminals.

B- Ronald Biggs, a resident of Goldsboro, North Carolina, was arrested for shooting an intruder in 1990. Four men broke into Biggs' residence one night, ransacked the home and then assaulted him with a baseball bat. When Biggs attempted to escape through the back door, the group chased him and Biggs turned and shot one of the assailants in the stomach. Biggs was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon--a felony. His assailants were charged with misdemeanors.

© Don Campbell of Port Huron, Michigan, was arrested, jailed, and criminally charged after he shot a criminal assailant in 1991. The thief had broken into Campbell's store and attacked him. The prosecutor plea-bargained with the assailant and planned to use him to testify against Campbell for felonious use of a firearm. Only after intense community pressure did the prosecutor finally drop the charges.

(4) The courts have granted immunity from prosecution to police officers who use firearms in the line of duty. Similarly, law-abiding citizens who use firearms to protect themselves, their families, and their homes against violent felons should not be subject to lawsuits by the violent felons who sought to victimize them.

SEC. 3. RIGHT TO OBTAIN FIREARMS FOR SECURITY, AND TO USE FIREARMS IN DEFENSE OF SELF, FAMILY, OR HOME; ENFORCEMENT.

(a) Reaffirmation of Right- A person not prohibited from receiving a firearm by Section 922(g) of title 18, United States Code, shall have the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms--

(1) in defense of self or family against a reasonably perceived threat of imminent and unlawful infliction of serious bodily injury;

(2) in defense of self or family in the course of the commission by another person of a violent felony against the person or a member of the person's family; and

(3) in defense of the person's home in the course of the commission of a felony by another person.

B- Firearm Defined- As used in subsection (a), the term `firearm' means--

(1) a shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code);

(2) a rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of title 18, United States Code); or

(3) a handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public Law 99-408).

© Enforcement of Right-

(1) IN GENERAL- A person whose right under subsection (a) is violated in any manner may bring an action in any United States district court against the United States, any State, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate.

(2) AUTHORITY TO AWARD A REASONABLE ATTORNEY'S FEE- In an action brought under paragraph (1), the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing plaintiff a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs.

(3) STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS- An action may not be brought under paragraph (1) after the 5-year period that begins with the date the violation described in paragraph (1) is discovered.


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Frenchy
QUOTE(cutecat @ Jan 22 2007, 09:05 PM) *
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A drive-by posting cutecat?...Please explain.

Thanks Pie... wink.gif
winston smith
QUOTE(cutecat @ Jan 22 2007, 07:05 PM) *
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cutecat, did you read the whole bill? Or just let the jerk of your knee hit the N-O keys?
Frenchy
QUOTE(winston smith @ Jan 22 2007, 11:34 PM) *
Cutecat, did you read the whole bill? Or just let the jerk of your knee hit the N-O keys?


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Desron
Sent the following message via e-mail to my Congressman,

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Dear Mr. Stupack,

I respectfully request that you give serious consideration in supporting H.R. 73: Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2007 which was introduced by Mr. Bartlett of Maryland and was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

I thank you for your time.
Frenchy
Thank you, Des...Much appreciated! thumbsup.gif
Pie
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Thanks Pie...

You're welcome. We have a number of members who are on dial up or have difficulty accessing links for other reasons, so I try to provide what is on a link when I can.
Indianhead
I'm reminded of an exercise our class at the National Victims Academy held (DOJ-Sam Hoston State, Huntsville, TX 1999).

Students were asked to chose an Amendment in The Bill of Rights to argue as the most important.

I was the only one to chose The Second Amendment. At first, almost all of the students were hesitant
to hear my argument, until several were convinced that all the other rights are underpinned by the ability,
in reality, to demand their existance through strength, and in fact, force. Never having been an NRA member
(or at that point a decent student of ancient history) my argument was simply formed by experience - as a soldier,
and a deputy sheriff of 17 years at that time.

Since, I have come to better understand the depths that Western Civilization relies on the premise.
I have come to believe righteous power is a pillar of freedom.

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(from Wikipedia)

Molon Labe! (Greek: Μολὼν Λαβέ, modern (IPA): [molon lave], Erasmus pronunciation: [molɔːn labe]) means "Come and take them!"

Μολὼν λαβέ was the response of King Leonidas I of Sparta to Xerxes I of Persia at the onset of the Battle of Thermopylae. Xerxes, with his 800,000 men, offered to spare the lives of Leonidas and his few hundred defenders if only they would lay down their weapons. Instead, the Spartans held Thermopylae for three days and, while they died to the last man, they inflicted serious damage on the Persian army, delaying it and essentially preventing the conquest of the Greek Peninsula.

The source for this quotation is Plutarch, Apophthegmata Laconica, 225c.11. This work may or may not be by Plutarch himself, but it is included among the Moralia, a collection of works attributed to him but outside the collection of his most famous works, the Parallel Lives.
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In any civilization, power is not intrinsically evil, only the use by evil men is such.
The epitaph on the burial mound of the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae is translated as:

"Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,
that here, obedient to their laws, we lie"


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We should never allow the misadventures of those who would attempt to claim
national leadership of warriors and their missions reduce the valor of those
willing to fight and die for the rule of law, the deepest sacrifice for freedom.

Nor should we allow the cruelty of a relative few disarm the citizenry, lest
those same pretenders to the throne turn their misadventures on us, after
becoming known for their failures in international ventures.

In 500 BC it was spears, short swords and shields that protected
the laws that guaranteed the roots of our civilization...perhaps today
it lies in the shotguns, rifles and hand guns carefully stored in many closets and safes.

I believe it is not fear and the accompanying retraction of liberty that will sustain us,
but instead the valor of those who validate the phrase:
"Land of the free, home of the brave"

---------------

At least that's my simple take...and I pray (like in that class in 1999), those who
initially disagree, will take the time to deeply think about it...and ponder the blessing
of being able to. Peace.
Just Thinking
Thank you so much. I have already emailed my two. Thanks.
Frenchy
QUOTE(Just Thinking @ Jan 24 2007, 11:33 PM) *
Thank you so much. I have already emailed my two. Thanks.


Thank you, JT...This is the proactive action we need. We must realize that governmental entities cannot protect us as individuals. It is incumbent upon us to establish and maintain this grave responsibility, and not allow those in government to infringe upon it.

Molon Labe
is the motto of The Firing Line forum

Molon labe
FellowDemocrat
Sounds like a good piece of legislation to me. I'll email my Congressman, Harry Mitchell, and inform everyone i know about it.
winston smith
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Jan 24 2007, 09:17 PM) *
I'm reminded of an exercise our class at the National Victims Academy held (DOJ-Sam Hoston State, Huntsville, TX 1999).

Students were asked to chose an Amendment in The Bill of Rights to argue as the most important.

I was the only one to chose The Second Amendment. At first, almost all of the students were hesitant
to hear my argument, until several were convinced that all the other rights are underpinned by the ability,
in reality, to demand their existance through strength, and in fact, force. Never having been an NRA member
(or at that point a decent student of ancient history) my argument was simply formed by experience - as a soldier,
and a deputy sheriff of 17 years at that time.

Since, I have come to better understand the depths that Western Civilization relies on the premise.
I have come to believe righteous power is a pillar of freedom.

-------------------
(from Wikipedia)

Molon Labe! (Greek: Μολὼν Λαβέ, modern (IPA): [molon lave], Erasmus pronunciation: [molɔːn labe]) means "Come and take them!"

Μολὼν λαβέ was the response of King Leonidas I of Sparta to Xerxes I of Persia at the onset of the Battle of Thermopylae. Xerxes, with his 800,000 men, offered to spare the lives of Leonidas and his few hundred defenders if only they would lay down their weapons. Instead, the Spartans held Thermopylae for three days and, while they died to the last man, they inflicted serious damage on the Persian army, delaying it and essentially preventing the conquest of the Greek Peninsula.

The source for this quotation is Plutarch, Apophthegmata Laconica, 225c.11. This work may or may not be by Plutarch himself, but it is included among the Moralia, a collection of works attributed to him but outside the collection of his most famous works, the Parallel Lives.
------------------

In any civilization, power is not intrinsically evil, only the use by evil men is such.
The epitaph on the burial mound of the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae is translated as:

"Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,
that here, obedient to their laws, we lie"


----------------

We should never allow the misadventures of those who would attempt to claim
national leadership of warriors and their missions reduce the valor of those
willing to fight and die for the rule of law, the deepest sacrifice for freedom.

Nor should we allow the cruelty of a relative few disarm the citizenry, lest
those same pretenders to the throne turn their misadventures on us, after
becoming known for their failures in international ventures.

In 500 BC it was spears, short swords and shields that protected
the laws that guaranteed the roots of our civilization...perhaps today
it lies in the shotguns, rifles and hand guns carefully stored in many closets and safes.

I believe it is not fear and the accompanying retraction of liberty that will sustain us,
but instead the valor of those who validate the phrase:
"Land of the free, home of the brave"

---------------

At least that's my simple take...and I pray (like in that class in 1999), those who
initially disagree, will take the time to deeply think about it...and ponder the blessing
of being able to. Peace.

IH, I guess this is sort of an open letter to you, Frenchy, and all of those who have been so vocal in defense of the 2nd. As you know if you have been reading anything I've ever posted, I am not a big gun fan. I've used them, owned them, and respect them, but over time I had developed an unreal disdain for guns. This would be to the point of hoping for the most draconian laws against gun ownership that the mind of a legislator could ever dream.

About maybe two years ago, there was a great discussion about gun ownership and the passion of those who enjoy them. I think it started when Stephen posted a picture of a new pistol he'd just bought. What I saw there was not the gun-crazed gangsta or the Ruby Ridge crazies, but men and women who enjoy the sport involved in weapons. It was a seachange for me.

I still do not like guns and chose not to own them myself. But I don't like golf or curling either. The 2nd was put in the Constitution for all the right reasons, as you have so eloquently stated, IH, in the post above. The 2nd provides for the states to regulate gun ownership and, while I wish there were gun owners' organizations that would challenge the power of the NRA, that is how it should be.

'Nuf said. I've already sent letters to Boxer and Feinstein; my congressman is a Republican so I don't think I need to ask him for the time of day. Guess you got my vote...
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