this gallery belong to a member of a photo forum i belong to, thought you might like to see the pictures.
he gave me permission to post this here.does this bring back memory of the 70 are what lol

http://www.seannaber.com/galleries/dcrally/

Anybody know the actual head count?

Did the rally get any decent exposure on TV?

Remember if it wasn't on TV, it didn't really happen.

it was on cnn they said about 10k

Tens of thousands was the original numbers bandied about. Now they are saying over 100k - which the groups promoting the rally are spinning to 100s of thousands.

Thanks for the pictures vet.

It looks like the counter-demonstrators were calling the demonstrators "hippies." They looked like everyday Americans to me.

Great photos, thanks for posting them.

I would bet a few hundred thousand were there.

Leave it to the press to belittle it.

And I see just from these pictures, there were alot of young people there, not just us old hippies.

10,000 ... 100,000 protestors

4 million ... $400 trillion dollars

20,000 .... 650,000 dead Iraqis

These days, who can count?

100's of thousands...
per Bob Schieffer on face the nation... check out the video with Jim Webb...

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/ftn/main3460.shtm

(can Americans handle the truth?)

Did you hear Webb say that he "wasn't necessarily against war with Iraq?" I thought he said that today. Is there a transcript?
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Here's the pdf transcript that was posted by Magmak1 in this thread:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/F1-28-7.pdf
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...c=69948&hl=

Taken from this transcript, this is part of what Webb said:
" What we have today is a specific situation, the Iraq war. And I do not oppose the Iraq war specifically.What I said, here, four years ago, almost to the day, I was sitting with you, basically saying this was a strategic error, and I and a number of other people with long military background were saying that this was not good for the United States, that all these things that are happening now were going to happen. So what we have today is an American public by polling, by percentages that has turned strongly against this strategic effort, the lack of wisdom in the strategic effort."

I'm not really certain of what he is saying. When he says. "strategic error" does he mean that if the invasion and post war strategies had been handled differently, he would be in favor of this preemptive war? Or, is he saying that he is not against a preemptive war, specifically, but that the problems an invasion of Iraq unleashed were inevitable, problems that will not be solved any time in the foreseeable future, so therefore the risk of invasion was not worth the price for the U.S.?
As usual, I have a difficult time getting to the truth of what many politicians are saying about this war.

that is the problem

Once again, there is confusion in meaning because if there was a different president, or someone would say a competent president, who had the same idea, would the same thing have
happened

One needs to be against having gone to Iraq whether it was W, Bill Clinton, or George WAshington or Abe Lincoln.

There was no reason to go to Iraq at all.
No other excuse.

That is what is so scary.

I said this a long time ago about the word competent.

Obviously as every single nuance the Bushteam puts out is known in advance, they have come to an agreement, the neo-cons, that hey, let's blame the word competent and then the same
freakin' thing is done

Don'tcha all see how easy that will be for Jeb to waltz in and finsih us all

Look how he excited the conservatives by the speech he gave the other day. Jeb is running already, he just has to find an avenue to do it

What is getting more and more ironic is, the two people most suited for running this year are not in the race.

One is GOOD. He wears a white hat. America will change for the better.
One is evil. He wears a black hat. We are all doomed

And neither can figure out a way to get in the race to start off with. Isn't it Ironic?

It IS troubling to me that he said this, when I thought he had been opposed to the war. Again, do we just have another Democrat who is opposed to the WAY Bush has conducted the war? Or, is he like Scowcroft and Bush I who believed invasion was a futile effort in Iraq?

Maybe a clue would be what he said right before his comment about not being against war in Iraq "specifically."



The American people believed that not letting Vietnam fall to the communists was a good thing. However, were they really willing to lay down American lives to prevent that from happening? There is a lot of propaganda that is put forth on the part of our leaders before any military commitment. That's because most Americans in my opinion are not willing to lose lives and spend all those resources to fight in these far off countries where the US is not at risk.

Maybe he's saying that most Americans thought getting rid of Saddam was a good thing. But would they have approved this expenditure in force and money to get rid of him, especially knowing that he did not have WMDs, or that he was not connected to 9/11? And, even if he did have WMDs, or had encouraged Al Qaeda, was invasion the best way to deal with the situation? Some in Congress did not believe so or wer unpersuaded by the evidence that Bush presented.

I think Webb might be separating 'idealism" from "realism" meaning that Americans don't support the spread of communism and would like to see the world free of "Saddams" but would much prefer to address those types of issues with the heavy emphasis on diplomatic strategies rather than military ones. I like Webb and I trust what he's saying, if I have it right about what he's saying. But I want to hear more of his thoughts on how he thinks the U.S. should be positioning itself and the strategies it should embrace in foreign policy matters concerning Islamic radicalism and the democratization of the Arab world. Actually, I will want to know every presidental candidate's thinking on this issue.

OOPS! Sorry for this off topic post! I'll post my thoughts in the Jim Webb thread.

Maxine Waters Fires-Up the Crowd

I couldn't find a video clip, but here's the transcript.

REP. MAXINE WATERS: You have come here today to save your country, to change the direction of this country and to tell George Bush, “Hell, no, we won't go!” I stand firmly with you. My name is Maxine Waters, and I’m not afraid of George W. Bush. My name is Maxine Waters, and I’m not intimidated by Dick Cheney. My name is Maxine Waters, and I helped to get rid of Rumsfeld. My name is Maxine Waters, and Condi Rice is nothing but another neocon, and she doesn't represent me!

George W. Bush led us into this immoral war. He tricked the American people, and he told us there were weapons of mass destruction. He did not tell the truth. He came out on the battleship and said, “Mission accomplished.” He misled us again. He said we were working with the coalition of the willing. It was only a figment of his imagination. He said that we were moving forward with training the Iraqi soldiers who would take over the security. Where are they? They are nowhere. As a matter of fact, they're undermining our soldiers in this civil war. He said we were going to get proceeds from the oil that would be pumped back into Iraq so that it could be reconstructed. As a matter of fact, he told us he made these decisions; he said he is the decider. But you know what? He's not the decider. He is the liar!

Thank you for being here today. I want you to come to Capitol Hill and lobby on Monday and put some starch in the backs of the members of Congress and give them the courage that they need to do the right thing. It is alright to have some resolutions that are not binding, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and that will come when it's time to decide whether or not we're going to fund this immoral war. I will not vote one dime for this war! And when you come up here to lobby, you ask these members, “Are you going to support an appropriation to continue this war, to expand this war?” And you can tell the difference between those who are ready to bring our soldiers home and those who are only paying lip service. Don't forget, he is not the decider. He is the --

AUDIENCE: Liar!

REP. MAXINE WATERS: He is not the decider, he is the --

AUDIENCE: Liar!

REP. MAXINE WATERS: Bring our troops home!

Jeff -- According to protest organizers, United for Peace and Justice, the crowd was estimated at 500,000.

Thanks for sharing the great pictures, Vet.

At a massive antiwar rally on the National Mall, in Washington, D.C., Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) shares her views on ending the Iraqi War. January 27, 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIvaJ0FV9g