I've been doing some browsing through the posts here today, going to links, etc. One of the links led me to this site: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

The data is at first glance unimpressive. It looks just like so much of the data of county/state results I've looked at, but look closer, and really study it. There has to be much more data like this out there. I would suggest when we find data like this, we point out the inconsistencies and send it to our Representatives in Congress, particularly the three that drafted this letter:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/g...004ltr11504.pdf which I picked up from this thread today:
http://commongroundcommonsense.ipbhost.com...=220&#entry5564
It's a pdf file which took a while to load on my computer.

Check out this data!
On this chart be sure to read the explanation below the charts, before trying to make sense of the data. Then really look at the expected votes vs the actual votes in the op-scan chart. There are some cases where the numbers are almost flipped, and many where the actual vs the expected votes are doubled/tripled/or more for the Rep. and reduced for the Dems (see Holmes, Putnam, Suwannee, and Union Counties for some examples). This does not make sense at all considering what the pre-election polls for Florida were showing. Could that many Dems in Florida suddenly have had a fit of the "lazies" on election day, and just not voted? Doesn't seem very likely to me.
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

over votes in 3 fl. county that i found volusia,palm beach,oseola you do the dam math take the total voted for pres and look at the turnout and yes it has the absentee vote i brought two screen up but how long this will be up who knows

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

HOLY SH*T!!  EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS....JUST FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. 
First look at this link http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ and look at the total number of voters for Volusia County--its 209,052.

Now, look at this link http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/DetailRpt.As...GRP=&DATAMODE=E
This gives the breakdown of how many people voted for which candidate--total up the amount of votes in Volusia County--it adds up to 228,358!!!  19,306 EXTRA VOTES WERE CAST IN THIS COUNTY ALONE!!!!!!!

I don't know, could it be that the first one is not updated?

I don't know, could it be that the first one is not updated?

No...

You are right.  This is another HUGE piece of evidence!!!  20,000 extra votes cannot be ignored by the media!!!

HOLY SH*T!!  EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS....JUST FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. 
First look at this link http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ and look at the total number of voters for Volusia County--its 209,052.

Now, look at this link http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/DetailRpt.As...GRP=&DATAMODE=E
This gives the breakdown of how many people voted for which candidate--total up the amount of votes in Volusia County--it adds up to 228,358!!!  19,306 EXTRA VOTES WERE CAST IN THIS COUNTY ALONE!!!!!!!

HOLY SH*T!!  EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS....JUST FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. 
First look at this link http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ and look at the total number of voters for Volusia County--its 209,052.

Now, look at this link http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/DetailRpt.As...GRP=&DATAMODE=E
This gives the breakdown of how many people voted for which candidate--total up the amount of votes in Volusia County--it adds up to 228,358!!!  19,306 EXTRA VOTES WERE CAST IN THIS COUNTY ALONE!!!!!!!

We've been sending stuff to the media and they're pretty much ignoring it.  They don't seem to want to admit that there is even a possibility of voter fraud having taken place.  I'm really furious.  Just like during the campaign, they're bought and paid for by the Republicans and that sure isn't going to change anytime soon.

I don't know..... it seems really dubious that the numbers of the page with the registered voters and total turnout do not add up to the number votes on the page with the actual vote breakdown by candidate. Just do the math yourself. For some counties, there were more votes that turnout, for some counties far less.

Just do this in excel....

1. Pull all the county data for the number of total votes cast from the voter turnout page. Then take all the total votes cast for each candidate by county. Remember, the turnout numbers are supposed to include absentees.

2. Compare the difference between the total number of votes cast by turnout and final result count.

The total number of votes unaccounted for, without Hernando county, equal around 223,000!!!

Someone please make sure you save a copy of the data from the page dated today and leave it untouched as proof.

"When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.

While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios matched the Kerry/Bush vote, and so did the optically-scanned paper ballots in the larger counties, in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller counties where, it was probably assumed, the small voter numbers wouldn't be much noticed. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

Yet in the larger counties, where such anomalies would be more obvious to the news media, high percentages of registered Democrats equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry.

More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm.

And, although elections officials didn't notice these anomalies, in aggregate they were enough to swing Florida from Kerry to Bush. If you simply go through the analysis of these counties and reverse the "anomalous" numbers in those counties that appear to have been hacked, suddenly the Florida election results resemble the Florida exit poll results: Kerry won, and won big.

Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.

But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.

How could this happen?

On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.

That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.

"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"

Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."

"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"

Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.

Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.

"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

But, it's running on a Windows PC.

So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.

In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.

"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."

They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."

As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.

Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."

On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv.)

Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.

Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to. It makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.

And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.

So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.

But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."

Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk show. www.thomhartmann .com His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," and "What Would Jefferson Do?: A Return To Democracy."


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Also See:

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/pdf/canvassing1.pdf
( Florida Secretary of State Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004)"

I'm puzzled by this.  When I go the first site, and pick results for Volusia county, all it gives me are the totals for the entire state for the Presidential race.  I've tried this several times over the last day and keep getting the same lack of real result.  Am I doing something wrong?  Exactly how are you finding that 209,052 figure?

Yes

Something wierd in Florida

Total turnout from All counties including absentees: 7,350,900

But

PRESIDENT TOTALS 7,584,515

A DIFFERENCE of 233, 615 votes more cast for president than the total turnout from All counties including absentees.

could a reasonable explanation--but I can't think of it
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

That's why you send it to the liberal media....Such as John Shwarz, and Panorama....

panorama@bbc.co.uk

http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/cbc/flcbc.htm
Look at 2000. Gore won Volusia by 15,000 votes. THERE IS NO WAY BUSH PICKED UP 20,000 MORE VOTES THAN KERRY TO WIN THAT COUNTY. There is a huge gay community in that county.

Bush would have had to pick up 34,000 votes to get to the number he got in 2004.

THIS IS IT. I THINK THIS COULD BRING THEM DOWN...

Keep looking...

SB George just sent me this does anyone know about this??

Saw this on the Florida official site
Total turnout--ALL voters--including absentees
7,350,900
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/  COUNTY RETURNS

BUT

PRESIDENT TOTAL S
7,584,515
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
A DIFFERENCE of  233, 615 votes more for president then the the total turnout from All counties including absentees.
could a reasonable explanation--but I can't think of it

A DIFFERENCE of  233, 615 votes more for president then the the total turnout from All counties including absentees.
could a reasonable explanation--but I can't think of it

SB George just sent me this does anyone know about this??

Saw this on the Florida official site
Total turnout--ALL voters--including absentees
7,350,900
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/  COUNTY RETURNS

BUT

PRESIDENT TOTAL S
7,584,515
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
A DIFFERENCE of  233, 615 votes more for president then the the total turnout from All counties including absentees.
could a reasonable explanation--but I can't think of it

How do people get to read this forum as guests?  Seems they should have to register to be able to read it.

Get the email for all those guys and they can be sent out in the evidence thread.

The Miami-Dade and Palm Beach there are a total of 142,753 votes less than the total turnout reported, both strong democrat counties. Osceola is another strong democrat county, turns out short by 18,589 votes. Volusia, another democrat stronghold, comes out 19,306 short.

Counties that had more registered Republicans, such as Escambia and Pinellas both turned out an extra 18,193 and 2,010 votes than the total turnout respectively.

The Miami-Dade and Palm Beach there are a total of 142,753 votes less than the total turnout reported, both strong democrat counties. Osceola is another strong democrat county, turns out short by 18,589 votes. Volusia, another democrat stronghold, comes out 19,306 short.

Counties that had more registered Republicans, such as Escambia and Pinellas both turned out an extra 18,193 and 2,010 votes than the total turnout respectively.

i have been saying that for two days have had one paper wanting link, one from betty castor campaign staff  and someone who wouldnt id. had to put it in excell and email this is in several fl co. the over vote

http://tinyurl.com/639ua