Common Ground Common Sense > 29.6 Mil Check to Fix Election

lawnorder

Nov 27 2004, 11:55 AM

QUOTE

Madsen: $29.6 Mil Check to Fix Election, Serial # 317675450-3

by RegenerationMan

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/27/95338/080

Second Day of Madsen reporting this. If he has the check itself, he has a real inside source, if this whole story is real. This is like the audiotape in the Ukraine proving fraud.

Ukraine, here we come? We're one techie snitch short...

More on the buying of electoral fraud by the Bush campaign

By Wayne Madsen

November 26, 2004--Additional information on the buying of vote riggers with Saudi and former Enron funds has been obtained. The epicenter for the vote rigging operation is Dallas, Texas, and the operation may involve retired FBI agents who used a well-established "good ole boy" network to arrange for access to polling precincts by electronic voting machine technicians who took advantage of various November 2 security "lockdowns" to illegally alter the tabulation of votes in favor of Bush. Some of the retired agents may have used courtesy credentials issued upon retirement to fool unsuspecting polling place workers.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Repor...2604madsen.html

BrokeInOhio

Nov 27 2004, 12:01 PM

Hmmmmmm Awful lot of details to be thought of as just a bunch of whining liberals. I am starting to gain hope again.

FormerCIA

Nov 27 2004, 01:10 PM

I like the part about the snitches not getting paid.

wicheewoman

Nov 27 2004, 01:45 PM

I dunno...too good to be true. I can't believe they would leave a trail of bread crumbs like this. <_<

Smartcor

Nov 27 2004, 02:01 PM

There seems to be more and more evidence but it seems as if it is either not enough, or not enough action take, or not fast enough. I don't want to hear the courts say later that bush has to stay because "time ran out" while the votes were being counted.

lawnorder

Nov 27 2004, 02:26 PM

QUOTE(wicheewoman @ Nov 27 2004, 01:45 PM)

I dunno...too good to be true. I can't believe they would leave a trail of bread crumbs like this. <_<

Fair enough!

As grandma says, caution and chicken soup never hurt anyone... Remember Dan Rather!

QUOTE(luaptifer @ Nov 27 2004, 12:37 PM)

i posted this on another thread a short while ago

there's an effort shaping up at the daily kos to push canada's CBC to look into Madsen's story. i recommend that folks interested take a look at these two diaries. fwiw, i WANT the story to be validated but it just feels too...something. i'm reserving judgement without further corroboration by means of additional sources/evidence. but that's why i'm recommending this path of action:
QUOTE
Madsen: $29.6 Mil Check to Fix Election, Serial # 317675450-3
by RegenerationMan
[Subscribe]

Sat Nov 27th, 2004 at 10:53:38 EDT

Second Day of Madsen reporting this. If he has the check itself, he has a real inside source, if this whole story is real. This is like the audiotape in the Ukraine proving fraud.
Ukraine, here we come? We're one techie snitch short...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/27/95338/080
AND the diary aimed at activists
QUOTE
Canada can help RE: Madsen's story TAKE ACTION!
by jbalazs
[Subscribe]

Sat Nov 27th, 2004 at 12:03:20 EDT

This is my first diary, so please forgive any formatting faux pas, I'll do my best to follow the rules.
With respect to Wayne Madsen's two stories concerning election fraud and the money to finance it, I appreciate that some of you are skeptical. I was as well, I spent the better part of yesterday afternoon researching this guy and many of the articles he's written. I have a feeling he's legit and he has something here.

The problem (as usual) is getting the story out and vetted by professionals. Addressing this is the crux of my diary....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/27/11320/982

target='_blank'>

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...indpost&p=66542

JILLinaz

Nov 27 2004, 02:40 PM

I work for a large bank, and what bothers me about this story is that people don't make checks for this amount of money - they WIRE the funds! Especially if they have something to hide. It is easy to get a copy of a check. But, with a wire, while there is paperwork, it basically contains where $ coming from, who it's going to; at what bank.. a signature from the person sending the wire, and their id..and the paperwork is going to be only in a file where the wire was originated.

A check leaves too many paper trails.
Too many questions here.

lawnorder

Nov 27 2004, 02:53 PM

QUOTE(JILLinaz @ Nov 27 2004, 02:40 PM)

I work for a large bank, and what bothers me about this story is that people don't make checks for this amount of money - they WIRE the funds! Especially if they have something to hide. It is easy to get a copy of a check. But, with a wire, while there is paperwork, it basically contains where $ coming from, who it's going to; at what bank.. a signature from the person sending the wire, and their id..and the paperwork is going to be only in a file where the wire was originated.

A check leaves too many paper trails.
Too many questions here.

The election fixer didn't do well in his "Bribes 101" class ?

Now we're left with the connumdrum:

a) Only Bush would be that dumb
or

Not even Bush could be that dumb

FormerCIA

Nov 27 2004, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(JILLinaz @ Nov 27 2004, 03:40 PM)

I work for a large bank, and what bothers me about this story is that people don't make checks for this amount of money - they WIRE the funds! Especially if they have something to hide. It is easy to get a copy of a check. But, with a wire, while there is paperwork, it basically contains where $ coming from, who it's going to; at what bank.. a signature from the person sending the wire, and their id..and the paperwork is going to be only in a file where the wire was originated.

A check leaves too many paper trails.
Too many questions here.

Yeah, and they pay the perps off in $50,000 bills.

mommadona

Nov 27 2004, 03:00 PM

QUOTE(FormerCIA @ Nov 27 2004, 01:57 PM)

Yeah, and they pay the perps off in $50,000 bills.

So, anyone seen the back of the check?

I emailed Madsen asking if he has a copy of the back. That would be the "legal" trail, as such.

gmanders777

Nov 27 2004, 03:10 PM

The only reason I can think of issuing a bank check vs wire transfer would be

to stop payment on the check. I can not see a bank check in that amount for any

other reason. Or to bury it in the days receipts for transmit. Since a wire in that

amount would hit the IRS instantly??

FormerCIA

Nov 27 2004, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 27 2004, 04:10 PM)

The only reason I can think of issuing a bank check vs wire transfer would be

to stop payment on the check. I can not see a bank check in that amount for any

other reason. Or to bury it in the days receipts for transmit. Since a wire in that

amount would hit the IRS instantly??

Maybe PayPal would have worked better.

I would have used a bag job. Plenty of untraceable bills come in as campaign donations, easy to swap out on the way for deposit. All the perps get a shopping bag full and everybody is happy.

periwinkle

Nov 27 2004, 05:17 PM

FormerCIA, gmanders777, you both seem to be smarter than the average bear when it comes to sniffing out rats. Is this Madsen person on the up and up or just so much hot air? It's a story we'd love to be true, but the whole thing sounds "Hollywood." Of course, I suppose the Watergate burglary sounded "Hollywood" at the beginning. Just wondered about your opinions.

gmanders777

Nov 27 2004, 05:30 PM

QUOTE(periwinkle @ Nov 27 2004, 06:17 PM)

Is this Madsen person on the up and up or just so much hot air?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, Its a Duck!

Seems too good to be true!

FormerCIA

Nov 27 2004, 05:35 PM

QUOTE(periwinkle @ Nov 27 2004, 06:17 PM)

FormerCIA, gmanders777, you both seem to be smarter than the average bear when it comes to sniffing out rats. Is this Madsen person on the up and up or just so much hot air? It's a story we'd love to be true, but the whole thing sounds "Hollywood." Of course, I suppose the Watergate burglary sounded "Hollywood" at the beginning. Just wondered about your opinions.

I've dealt with Madsen and have my doubts. The problem with being his type of investigative reporter is you depend on "sources". Well like any intel operation, these sources have to be vetted over time and see which ones are valid. The problem lies in that the "boys" will take their time to set you up. They feed you minor "good" information for years then one day they start using you as a conduit for their propaganda.. I've had people that I knew were bad feed me info for over ten years before trying to pull a fast one. So, unless you have a lot of reliable people to verify the source, working by yourself is a very risky propsition.
I give people the benefit of the doubt but I believe he worked for ONI, which is known to be a black bag operation and I don't see him putting anyone in jail, so, to me it's just entertainment.

wicheewoman

Nov 27 2004, 05:43 PM

QUOTE(lawnorder @ Nov 27 2004, 03:53 PM)

The election fixer didn't do well in his "Bribes 101" class ?

Now we're left with the connumdrum:

a) Only Bush would be that dumb
or

Not even Bush could be that dumb

Well certainly Rove wouldn't be that dumb

Kra/Lee

Nov 27 2004, 06:12 PM

QUOTE(gmanders777 @ Nov 27 2004, 04:10 PM)

The only reason I can think of issuing a bank check vs wire transfer would be

to stop payment on the check. I can not see a bank check in that amount for any

other reason. Or to bury it in the days receipts for transmit. Since a wire in that

amount would hit the IRS instantly??

I have no idea what I am talking about here but do you? What about a foreigner like a Saudi Arabian? Any banking ideas of transfers, money ...........?