I think that a complete Ohio re-vote is needed. Everyone knows that Ohio's 20 EV's are desperately needed on both sides, so no matter what every single voter will come out. This is good considering all the people that were scared off by the bastards from the GOP would come out. Everyone will come out and wait in the 3-4-5-6-7 hour long lines to vote. This time there will be no Diebold machines, just paper ballots. IF this were to happen, i bet Kerry would end up winning. Then to make it fair, there would be a recount of the paper ballots, let them take as much time as needed....afterall, this is a election to determine who will be the President of the most powerful country in the world. Anyone agree with this idea?
P.S. Yes, i know it will never happen.
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I agree, for one thing I believe selective recounts at least look bad, recounts should be statewide. This time I think there should be recounts in several states, including some that won't swing and maybe some red ones, to have a database on the accuracy (and to look at some congressional races). I think there was a lot of playing around in several states, the only (or at least the best) way to have the data to straighten things out is a bunch of recounts.
Whatever it takes to prove fraud in Ohio. Beyond recounts, there is still a lot of unexplained and unusual incidents in this election: the exit polls, all the trends that Bush bucked, the ghost votes, the glitches that switched votes and I wondered about Barbara Boxer in California: who are those 200,000 voters in California that voted for Boxer but bypassed Kerry. Boxer got 2.6 million votes to crush her opponent. I guess these voters decided that they want her to represent them, but decided to tie her hands by keeping Bush in the White House. Or, they voted for Boxer and skipped a vote for president. Yeah right.
Now I came across this on DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...0&mesg_id=65690
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
I might be missing something, but the numbers in this entire election seem strange, and especially when they keep reporting that Kerry did better than Gore in a lot of areas.
Now I came across this on DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...0&mesg_id=65690
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-20-04 09:10 AM
Original message
How did Betty Castor beat John Kerry in FL?
Here's some more funny numbers from Florida.
Kerry received a total of 3,583,544 votes
Castor received a total of 3,590,201 votes
Castor received 6,657 more votes than Kerry.
In the race for President - 61,774 votes went to other candidates
In the Senate race - 166,829 votes went to other candidates, with the majority going to Dennis Bradley.
So in the Senate race 105,055 more votes went to other candidates than in the race for President.
Also, the total votes cast for President = 7,609,810
The total votes cast for Senate = 7,429,894
That means there were 179,916 more under votes in the Senate race than the Presidential race.
So Castor lost 105,055 votes to other candidates over Kerry. Plus 179,916 more people didn't pick anyone for Senate but did pick someone for President. Yet Castor still beat Kerry by 6,657 votes?
Does anyone else think these stats are odd or significant?
6. Instant Analysis: Counties where Castor beat Kerry/Edwards
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 09:57 AM by nodictators
Numbers are Castor's winning margin over Kerry/Edwards:
Alachua - 1305
Baker - 673
Bay - 1122
Bradford - 694
Brevard - 1168
Calhoun - 410
Citrus - 2422
Clay - 1860
Columbia - 1749
DeSoto - 118
Dixie - 775
Duval - 5138
Flagler - 234
Franklin - 485
Gadsden - 617
Gilchrist - 561
Glades - 103
Gulf - 451
Hamilton - 337
Hardee - 657
Hendry - 67
Hernando - 2447
Highlands - 1849
Hillsborough - 16166
Holmes - 798
Jackson - 1050
Jefferson - 369
Lafayette - 545
Lake - 1414
Leon - 2307
Levy - 1055
Liberty - 389
Madison - 590
Manatee - 3533
Marion - 3543
Nassau - 946
Okaloosa - 277
Okeechobee - 311
Pasco - 6012
Pinellas - 8991
Polk - 7222
Putnam - 1289
Santa Rosa - 506
Sarasota - 3209
St. Johns - 920
Sumter - 1260
Suwannee - 1547
Taylor - 923
Union - 381
Wakulla - 1152
Walton - 557
Washington - 540
Castor beat Kerry in 52 of Florida's 67 counties.
Original message
How did Betty Castor beat John Kerry in FL?
Here's some more funny numbers from Florida.
Kerry received a total of 3,583,544 votes
Castor received a total of 3,590,201 votes
Castor received 6,657 more votes than Kerry.
In the race for President - 61,774 votes went to other candidates
In the Senate race - 166,829 votes went to other candidates, with the majority going to Dennis Bradley.
So in the Senate race 105,055 more votes went to other candidates than in the race for President.
Also, the total votes cast for President = 7,609,810
The total votes cast for Senate = 7,429,894
That means there were 179,916 more under votes in the Senate race than the Presidential race.
So Castor lost 105,055 votes to other candidates over Kerry. Plus 179,916 more people didn't pick anyone for Senate but did pick someone for President. Yet Castor still beat Kerry by 6,657 votes?
Does anyone else think these stats are odd or significant?
6. Instant Analysis: Counties where Castor beat Kerry/Edwards
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 09:57 AM by nodictators
Numbers are Castor's winning margin over Kerry/Edwards:
Alachua - 1305
Baker - 673
Bay - 1122
Bradford - 694
Brevard - 1168
Calhoun - 410
Citrus - 2422
Clay - 1860
Columbia - 1749
DeSoto - 118
Dixie - 775
Duval - 5138
Flagler - 234
Franklin - 485
Gadsden - 617
Gilchrist - 561
Glades - 103
Gulf - 451
Hamilton - 337
Hardee - 657
Hendry - 67
Hernando - 2447
Highlands - 1849
Hillsborough - 16166
Holmes - 798
Jackson - 1050
Jefferson - 369
Lafayette - 545
Lake - 1414
Leon - 2307
Levy - 1055
Liberty - 389
Madison - 590
Manatee - 3533
Marion - 3543
Nassau - 946
Okaloosa - 277
Okeechobee - 311
Pasco - 6012
Pinellas - 8991
Polk - 7222
Putnam - 1289
Santa Rosa - 506
Sarasota - 3209
St. Johns - 920
Sumter - 1260
Suwannee - 1547
Taylor - 923
Union - 381
Wakulla - 1152
Walton - 557
Washington - 540
Castor beat Kerry in 52 of Florida's 67 counties.
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
I might be missing something, but the numbers in this entire election seem strange, and especially when they keep reporting that Kerry did better than Gore in a lot of areas.
QUOTE(FellowDemocrat @ Nov 27 2004, 12:03 PM)
I think that a complete Ohio re-vote is needed. Everyone knows that Ohio's 20 EV's are desperately needed on both sides, so no matter what every single voter will come out. This is good considering all the people that were scared off by the bastards from the GOP would come out. Everyone will come out and wait in the 3-4-5-6-7 hour long lines to vote. This time there will be no Diebold machines, just paper ballots. IF this were to happen, i bet Kerry would end up winning. Then to make it fair, there would be a recount of the paper ballots, let them take as much time as needed....afterall, this is a election to determine who will be the President of the most powerful country in the world. Anyone agree with this idea?
P.S. Yes, i know it will never happen.
P.S. Yes, i know it will never happen.
Everyone will agree with the idea.... the trouble is, will anyone actually carry this out....
Me wonders, perhaps if John Kerry put up say, 45 million dollars to handle the expense of doing so....
A wonderful idea... but at the moment, America is being taught a lesson from, of all places.... the Ukraine!
Sincerely, your friends in Canada
- perry
Sorry to do this, but I see some problems with a re-vote, besides the obvious--it will never happen.
#1. Absentee voters: How will they be able to vote in a re-vote? This includes me, I'm an Ohio absentee voter, so I'd be especially concerned about not being able to vote in a re-vote. It seems it would take considerable time, that we don't have, to be able to ensure that absentee voters can still vote absentee.
#2 Re-vote on what? Would this be simply presidential? Would it be an entire re-vote of everything on the ballot?
#3 If fraud occured once, couldn't it just as easily occur again? If a re-vote yields the same result, wouldn't it draw attention away from fraud concerns, rather than towards it?
#4 Time: Isn't there a law that says the Electoral College has to vote by Dec. 13th? Wasn't that the big rush in Gore vs. Bush? I don't think there would be nearly enough time to organize an entire re-vote before even the inaguration in January...
#1. Absentee voters: How will they be able to vote in a re-vote? This includes me, I'm an Ohio absentee voter, so I'd be especially concerned about not being able to vote in a re-vote. It seems it would take considerable time, that we don't have, to be able to ensure that absentee voters can still vote absentee.
#2 Re-vote on what? Would this be simply presidential? Would it be an entire re-vote of everything on the ballot?
#3 If fraud occured once, couldn't it just as easily occur again? If a re-vote yields the same result, wouldn't it draw attention away from fraud concerns, rather than towards it?
#4 Time: Isn't there a law that says the Electoral College has to vote by Dec. 13th? Wasn't that the big rush in Gore vs. Bush? I don't think there would be nearly enough time to organize an entire re-vote before even the inaguration in January...
My opinion (for what it's worth), is to have a national revote to start on January 15th and to be completed on February 15th, 2005. Recounts (if needed) to be completed between February 16th through April 16th. Certification (after recounts, if needed) by April 20th. Electoral college vote on April 21st. Inaugeration on May 20th, 2005.
If we could work out the kinks and develop a bill for an Amendment of the Constitution and obtain enough signatures to prove the majority of Americans favor such act, and be willing to impeach all representatives that do not vote with the majority on this, it could be possible.
In order to obtain the sufficient signatures we would have to possibly have to do alot of door-to-door activities or set offices complete with internet connections for online petitioning for the members of America who are not online. It sure would be nice if the DNC would help us with this. After all, it appears they have enough money to work on something of this magnitude.
If we could work out the kinks and develop a bill for an Amendment of the Constitution and obtain enough signatures to prove the majority of Americans favor such act, and be willing to impeach all representatives that do not vote with the majority on this, it could be possible.
In order to obtain the sufficient signatures we would have to possibly have to do alot of door-to-door activities or set offices complete with internet connections for online petitioning for the members of America who are not online. It sure would be nice if the DNC would help us with this. After all, it appears they have enough money to work on something of this magnitude.
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